2011 450r

[Miguel1994]

Does TPR has any news?

Let us know what do you think about it.

[D Bergstrom]

Hmmm, big announcement on Monday. Kind of strange they are doing this on a Holiday, think they would have picked a different day. Not sure about this one, guess we will have to wait and see.

Doug

[OutlawBill]

CRF450X gets FI, sport version of Big Red SxS

[Miguel1994]

so, no 2012 TRX?

[OutlawBill]

Originally posted by Miguel1994
so, no 2012 TRX? who knows mine is a S.W.A.G.

[Miguel1994]

it looks like there is no new 450r.
In the Honda website there are new foremans but no sport quads.

[-TheDude-]

Originally posted by Miguel1994
it looks like there is no new 450r.
In the Honda website there are new foremans but no sport quads.
They arent supposed to release the info till later today. Its only supposed to go to dealerships today and isnt supposed to be released to the public till weds. so we will have to see

[mad715]

Rumor was somewhat true, 2012 Goldwing and utility. Still no release of anything on the 450r. Must be one heck of a machine, or they getting all the bugs worked out it first. Heck we all could be doing that!!

[OutlawBill]

Originally posted by -TheDude-
They arent supposed to release the info till later today. Its only supposed to go to dealerships today and isnt supposed to be released to the public till weds. so we will have to see this is starting to sound like trust me I wiil not

[MtnEX]

Well, the press release was for a goldwing and a foreman... but does say there will be more model releases for 2012 later in the year.


I still have a big ol doubt a new 450R will be on the list.

[Ex_Rider43]

There will be one , but not early like feb.

[Miguel1994]

It seems we will have to wait a little bit more, or maybe it will never be realised:ermm:

[MtnEX]

Yeah... you would think guys would start to realize where Honda's core focus is at on their bread and butter... I mean they put it right out there with the releases on 2/21/11.... utility and cruiser...

[Miguel1994]

You may be right, Honda isn't anymore what it was in the past

[DEVINF450R]

Originally posted by MtnEX
Yeah... you would think guys would start to realize where Honda's core focus is at on their bread and butter... I mean they put it right out there with the releases on 2/21/11.... utility and cruiser...


So it's just Honda???? IMO Can-Am is the only manufacturer doing anything for racing. Kawi has the least to do with it. Now and overall for ATVs. But they can have 6 pro bike riders:rolleyes:

[MX450]

Can-am does something about racing bc if they didnt NOBODY would buy their quads, there are not alot of them out there anyways.

You guys have to realize that the big manufactures DO NOT CARE ABOUT RACING! Plain and simple, they care about money! The only reason they have pro BIKE riders is because of the MONEY they bring in... look at the number of spectators at a bike race, they have WAAAY more advertisement then a quad race.

[MtnEX]

Originally posted by DEVINF450R
So it's just Honda???? IMO Can-Am is the only manufacturer doing anything for racing. Kawi has the least to do with it. Now and overall for ATVs. But they can have 6 pro bike riders:rolleyes:

Totally agree with you there.

I wasn't really talking about it that way though... just that this 2011 450R ain't happening. Instead, a new Foreman and a new Goldwing for 2012 instead of 450R for 2011.

I do agree on the Can-Am thing, and man I was so mad at my KFX at one point and thinking about Can-Am support in the woods scene... And exactly at that time there were some insane deals on DS450X XC.

I just didn't care for the engine.

[WesKTM]

The MX season started today, I don't see Honda dropping this bike in the middle of the season. Maybe next fall....

[hondaking52]

gonna have to start a 2013 thread now.....:rolleyes:

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by hondaking52
gonna have to start a 2013 thread now.....:rolleyes: no need there wont be a 2013

[Miguel1994]

Is there any chance they release ti in 25-27 March? They will open their shops.

[platummxracer8]

2012. its gonna be bad*****. i know a little information.

[platummxracer8]

2012. its gonna be bad*****. i know a little information.

[Miguel1994]

So, do you think there will be a new one?

[platummxracer8]

2012 yes there is going to be.

[Miguel1994]

But early realeased, I need to know it because I am thinking of build my 09 450R.

Thanks for the info.

[wild250rman]

Originally posted by platummxracer8
2012 yes there is going to be.
Well! talk to us. can you lend anything tpr?

[atvracin74]

this thread is a fail... no real info on here at all and it is like 90 pages long so if there is info no one will ever have time to find it

[SHIFTx450]

little school girl gossip

[SHIFTx450]

little school girl gossip

[desratt]

it is speculation.. even with inside info.. honda can and will change their mind. like you can bet there will be no "green wire" mod on the next one cause of the stuff suzuki is going through right now.. they will always tweak and adjust as the market demands and money and time. and when it feels right they will do it. gotta realize how many departments are involved in designing building marketing producing these things.

[atvracin74]

If so many departments are involved why is it that the dirt bike's get theirs while we sit around ,and wait(for years)

[atvracin74]

If so many departments are involved why is it that the dirt bike's get theirs while we sit around and wait(for years)

[MtnEX]

Simple... dirt bikes sell...

They win on tv on sunday and sell bikes on monday.


This is why the bikes have always been light years ahead of the quads. Right now is probably the closest it has been since '89.

[desratt]

picture yourself as the invester. would you spend all the money everywhere then take how many years to possibly make a profit or a loss.

[OutlawEX]

Originally posted by MtnEX
Simple... dirt bikes sell...

They win on tv on sunday and sell bikes on monday.


This is why the bikes have always been light years ahead of the quads. Right now is probably the closest it has been since '89.


ATV's outsell bikes..

[desratt]

not sport quads

[IdahoMX]

He said atvs, And yes they do outsell bikes by a huge margine. And like you said that margine is very small when the sport quad is calculated into it. They sell 5 utes to 1 sport

[TANNER250r]

I work at a Honda dealership, and I guarantee you we won't see any big changes till late 2012 early 2013 at the soonest. They're still worried about the economy and wheelers not selling they want to see more change & not Obama's change either :p

[socal]

Honda NEEDS to take a Walsh or Laegers hybrid and copy that,PERIOD.Imagine,they would sell a ton.Obviously Honda is not paying attention.Its kinda stupid because that geometry is Hondas own from the legendary 250R...Wouldnt that be nice!

[socal]

Honda NEEDS to take a Walsh or Laegers hybrid and copy that,PERIOD.Imagine,they would sell a ton.Obviously Honda is not paying attention.Its kinda stupid because that geometry is Hondas own from the legendary 250R...Wouldnt that be nice!!!

[desratt]

rumors in atvinsider magazine is that honda anounced that they have nearly depleated their inventory.

[motomadman]

That will never happen, IT MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE. They have all the tools to make a dream quad a production reality (CRF Linkage, lower center of gravity, centralized mass, more aggressive stock motor, fuel injection, lighter overall weight, etc etc), but they probably never will. It wouldn't even have to me mx ready, just a sweet XC base quad you can put your choice of suspension on, a few motor goodies and race.

[Miguel1994]

Originally posted by desratt
rumors in atvinsider magazine is that honda anounced that they have nearly depleated their inventory.

That is good, I think, unless they come out with a 2012 TRX450R that is just like the 2009 one.

But in my opinion Honda will have a new TRX450 int 2012 or 2013 if this doesn't happen we can forget about it.

[tayyo789]

IF they release a new model year, it will be updated. There's no way they can take that much time and not change anything.

Personally, I would rather see a better 700xx than a new 450r, but I'm not an MX guy either...

[MtnEX]

Originally posted by tayyo789
IF they release a new model year, it will be updated. There's no way they can take that much time and not change anything.

Personally, I would rather see a better 700xx than a new 450r, but I'm not an MX guy either...

Ah... they will never please you with your 650R hybrid, which is more of what the 700XX should have been to start with.


I don't think they need to do a lot to the 450R. Just make it last longer between rebuilds, give it a reverse gear... and 250R geometry.... all things they can do to make it great without costing any more.

[tayyo789]

They can take the 650r bottom end and head, slap on the 700xx cylinder and EFI, and put it all in a SRA chassis, and be a direct threat for Raptors easily. Its such a simple concept, but they don't see the light apparently

[scotturban]

its 2011 now... no 450r??

[IOWAracer]

Originally posted by tayyo789
They can take the 650r bottom end and head, slap on the 700xx cylinder and EFI, and put it all in a SRA chassis, and be a direct threat for Raptors easily. Its such a simple concept, but they don't see the light apparently


You have to remember that there not gonna worry about a big bore that is what the 700xx is already they may refine it but thats another subject...If they come out with a new quad it will be a 450 because GNCC and ATV MX Pro class have a 450CC limit so it will not be any more then that....

[MtnEX]

Originally posted by tayyo789
They can take the 650r bottom end and head, slap on the 700xx cylinder and EFI, and put it all in a SRA chassis, and be a direct threat for Raptors easily. Its such a simple concept, but they don't see the light apparently

I've said it 100 times... Honda didn't want to have to compete DIRECTLY with the other 700's like the Raptor.

That is why they made it big, heavy and IRS.

[IMSROLL450R]

Originally posted by MtnEX
I've said it 100 times... Honda didn't want to have to compete DIRECTLY with the other 700's like the Raptor.

That is why they made it big, heavy and IRS.

Thanks dude, and who cares about the 700cc old man bikes.

Honda will bring out another 450 when they are ready to. Theres no way they will STOP making them all together because look how successful the 04/05 STILL is. All need to remember though, the majority of honda 450rs, do not go to the track. If I only had a dollar for every time Ive seen one in the back of some rednecks truck completely covered in mud, or sitting in some dudes garage barely ridden because he thought it looked like it may be fun to ride but lost interest.

Its on the verge of moronic to try to predict what Honda will do when you will never know unless they want you to....

[socal]

They still need to revamp the thing!From the get,the ergos were not that great!

[scotturban]

Originally posted by IMSROLL450R
Thanks dude, and who cares about the 700cc old man bikes.

Honda will bring out another 450 when they are ready to. Theres no way they will STOP making them all together because look how successful the 04/05 STILL is. All need to remember though, the majority of honda 450rs, do not go to the track. If I only had a dollar for every time Ive seen one in the back of some rednecks truck completely covered in mud, or sitting in some dudes garage barely ridden because he thought it looked like it may be fun to ride but lost interest.

Its on the verge of moronic to try to predict what Honda will do when you will never know unless they want you to....


Thats for sure, I live 15 minutes from laurel indiana home of offroad hillbilly paradise Haspin Acres Usa Honda 450rs and 400exs everywhere, some of them so beat you cant recognize them lol

[DEVINF450R]

Heard from a Honda rep that the new 450R will be released later this year. Noticed at Sunset Ridge Joe Byrd's back to a Red Honda again, and there were a few riders talking about the new release. I think Ill stick with my 06-09 Hondas for the new 2 years or so until we get the motors and EFI figured out and get the suspension dialed.

[Trentk]

I heard a crazy rumor the honda baja team of matlock is down in baja right now doing secret testing, maybe on the new 450?? keep an eye on the baja 500 on june 3rd to see what quad they are racing.

[desratt]

the 700,, all testing with teams is top secret

[antwanrttg]

Originally posted by ThePhantomRider
It's going to be impressive. Not only has Honda met the performance bar for their next 450r, which most expect...while having the standard Honda durability, they have surpassed all others on the market.

To add to the already impressive package, they are using the extra time they have left to further refine the quad and test it even harder to minimize the usual first year glitches...(slamming clutch and tranny components, running the motor hot, slamming landings etc...)

i have to tell you that you'll be amazed at the progress they have made, no longer will it be Honda-The best quad once you build it up...to Honda-The best quad stock or built...period.

I need to go back out there and check it out further.

TPR

FAIL!

[socal]

Originally posted by socal
Honda NEEDS to take a Walsh or Laegers hybrid and copy that,PERIOD.Imagine,they would sell a ton.Obviously Honda is not paying attention.Its kinda stupid because that geometry is Hondas own from the legendary 250R...Wouldnt that be nice!!! What he said!!!!!:devil:

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by socal
What he said!!!!!:devil: sound like hes talking to himself...:D

[chronicsmoke]

A honda dealership up here said that Honda is completly finished with their 2WD Sport bike lines..

I personally find it hard to believe.. but then again, he sells Can-Am too.. maybe he meant HE was done with them. I hope that's what he meant at least..:rolleyes:

[hondaking52]

Originally posted by chronicsmoke
A honda dealership up here said that Honda is completly finished with their 2WD Sport bike lines..

I personally find it hard to believe.. but then again, he sells Can-Am too.. maybe he meant HE was done with them. I hope that's what he meant at least..:rolleyes: I think its coming, they did release the 2012 400ex...

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by hondaking52
I think its coming, they did release the 2012 400ex... but isnt the 2012 basically an 09 with 2012 stickers on it?

[Ruf Racing]

Originally posted by chronicsmoke
A honda dealership up here said that Honda is completly finished with their 2WD Sport bike lines..

Truthfully..... Honda dealers and Reps know as much as the general public. :rolleyes: Honda leaks no information. When or if it hits the floor, that's when we all, will know. ;)

[hondaking52]

Originally posted by DnB_racing
but isnt the 2012 basically an 09 with 2012 stickers on it? yes it is, but it got new plastics in 08 so it doesn't need to be updated yet. Honda wouldn't make any more if the market wasn't picking up, like others said I bet we will see it sometime this year

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by hondaking52
yes it is, but it got new plastics in 08 so it doesn't need to be updated yet. Honda wouldn't make any more if the market wasn't picking up, like others said I bet we will see it sometime this year nothing had to be retooled or changed to produce the 2012ex ...i dont really see it as a positive sign... I take this as more of a market test then a start of something bigger, but that's just my opinion,, if these dont sell ( and why should they?people can buy plenty of used 400ex) then I seriously doubt you will see them spending money trying to produce something more costly, and with a smaller market

[FHKracingZ]

Its coming late summer/ early fall

[IMSROLL450R]

Originally posted by FHKracingZ
Its coming late summer/ early fall

Along with The 2nd coming of christ....

[wild250rman]

Originally posted by IMSROLL450R
Along with The 2nd coming of christ....

wow you guy's are good!

[island400ex]

in this months atv x sxs mag there is an article saying there are no 450rs available for dealerships to order, there are none to be had in the warehouses!:D

[island400ex]

Originally posted by DEVINF450R
Heard from a Honda rep that the new 450R will be released later this year. Noticed at Sunset Ridge Joe Byrd's back to a Red Honda again, and there were a few riders talking about the new release. I think Ill stick with my 06-09 Hondas for the new 2 years or so until we get the motors and EFI figured out and get the suspension dialed.
Oh I think they will have it figured out!!

[DEVINF450R]

Originally posted by island400ex
Oh I think they will have it figured out!!

I meant racing wise with efi controllers, geometry of the front and rear end and with suspension. Which pipe and intake is best, you know.... THAT kinda figured out lol. Let other people spend their money on testing. :devil:

[island400ex]

Originally posted by DEVINF450R
I meant racing wise with efi controllers, geometry of the front and rear end and with suspension. Which pipe and intake is best, you know.... THAT kinda figured out lol. Let other people spend their money on testing. :devil:
Ahh I see, my apologies! Hopefully there will be a couple of versions, and we wont have to shell out much more!

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by island400ex
Ahh I see, my apologies! Hopefully there will be a couple of versions, and we wont have to shell out much more! lol!! your hoping to have more then one version, I would be surprised to see ONE!
as long as there are an abundance of used 450's on the market (and there is plenty of used to be bought) then there is no need to by a new one

why do you think it would be worth it for Honda to spend money for a product that such a small percent of the market actually needs? most racers dont need a new quad, they need an abundance of cheep parts, and right now there is enough used on the market,
if the new 400ex doesnt sell(and it wont because its the same as the 09) then I really doubt we will see a new 450

if you want to make Honda release a 450, then you should buy a bunch of the 400s,
I personally will use the cheap 450s to keep me going for the next several years! and I know Im not alone on that thinking!!

I dont even want efi, or a stock suspension!and again in that im not alone!

[island400ex]

Originally posted by DnB_racing
lol!! your hoping to have more then one version, I would be surprised to see ONE!
as long as there are an abundance of used 450's on the market (and there is plenty of used to be bought) then there is no need to by a new one

why do you think it would be worth it for Honda to spend money for a product that such a small percent of the market actually needs? most racers dont need a new quad, they need an abundance of cheep parts, and right now there is enough used on the market,
if the new 400ex doesnt sell(and it wont because its the same as the 09) then I really doubt we will see a new 450

if you want to make Honda release a 450, then you should buy a bunch of the 400s,
I personally will use the cheap 450s to keep me going for the next several years! and I know Im not alone on that thinking!!

I dont even want efi, or a stock suspension!and again in that im not alone!

There are lots of used everything, lots of yfz's lots of ktm's lots of can am's, ltrs! this is not a situation unique to Honda? but if they or any of the manufacturers want to stay in the game they will need to update, look at Yamaha, They Keep updating and adding new models, as a result they are on top!
This of course is all just speculation but come on it's fun! I love my 416ex and my 450r, but hell wouldn't it be nice to see honda get on top with a real game changer?
The 400ex is one of the all time best sellers, so maybe they will keep selling, who knows! The ltz400 is superior in technology and has been for quite some time, and still the 400ex continues to sell?
I agree there are alot of people who say they dont want efi or any other changes, but it would seem anything honda produces, is simple, effective, and user friendly, no matter what they come out with there will be so many aftermaket parts it will make our heads spin!
Honestly hondas sell, whether it's this year or next, and if no one wants
it why are there threads like these? I for one remain optomistic!

[Lasher]

Originally posted by DnB_racing
if you want to make Honda release a 450, then you should buy a bunch of the 400s,


Being a smart arse....

We heard the same thing about buying 450s. They will not release the new model until dealers sold out. Now we have buy all the 400ex's before they release it. lol...

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by Lasher
Being a smart arse....

We heard the same thing about buying 450s. They will not release the new model until dealers sold out. Now we have buy all the 400ex's before they release it. lol... I was actually being a little serious, Im afraid Honda is using the 2012 ex as a market test

[quad2xtreme]

I'm not 100% convinced Kawi, Suzuki, or Honda is going to stay in the sport quad business.

[Extremerider]

Hi I'm Dave I work at a Honda dealership in Altoona, Pennsylvania. Our warehouses are empty and the showroom floor is clear of 450R's. We've been buying up used ones and sellin them quick. Haven't heard a word about any new 450Rs coming. Anything I hear I will be more than happy to share.

[C41Xracer]

I wouldnt be suprised if honda is doing what it did back in the late 80's with the 250r. A 4 year run then they bailed, when did they actually stop making the 450 09?So that would be a 5 year run..........

[C41Xracer]

I wouldnt be suprised if honda is doing what it did back in the late 80's with the 250r. A 4 year run then they bailed, when did they actually stop making the 450 09?So that would be a 5 year run..........

[Miguel1994]

I have a 09 450R and the papers I have say it came out of the factory like in 2008 (august) besides that I have a stickes in the frame From the Euro comunity or something saying 2008 in big letters.

There you have your answer.

[SHIFTx450]

That would make 6 yrs of production..

[SHIFTx450]

Market test? That's bs. Just put out a sick Honda 450r and it will mos def sell.

[OutlawBill]

Originally posted by Trentk
I heard a crazy rumor the honda baja team of matlock is down in baja right now doing secret testing, maybe on the new 450?? keep an eye on the baja 500 on june 3rd to see what quad they are racing.

Race the 700 first Pro

[ridehonda400ex]

so whens the 2011 450r come out TPR? Its midway through 2011 and no release yet....

[Miguel1994]

Don't worry you will get it.

[hrc450er]

i like keeping this thread alive.. it gives a guy hope that factories will continue to make new quads. but i fear that yamaha and can am are going to be the only ones in the future. and btw where has phantom been he started this and hasnt posted in quite some time. honda has cleared the back log now what is the excuse

[ridehonda400ex]

there isnt going to be a 2011 450, the 2012 400x is out and has been. so why wouldnt the 2011 be out already? Because there isnt one. I cant afford a new one anyway lol

[Ruf Racing]

Originally posted by hrc450er
btw where has phantom been he started this and hasnt posted in quite some time.
honda has cleared the back log now what is the excuse

Phantom has been spotted, at the Honda's secret testing site!

:D

As far as old stock, they are still available. 2008/2009 in S. Fla.
:ermm:

[ridehonda400ex]

Does he TPR really do testing for Honda?

[Miguel1994]

I don't think so. it was a joke...

[calmoto916]

Any word on when it coming out??? the new model that is

[IMSROLL450R]

This thread is a joke.....


























That isnt funny at all.

[Miguel1994]

OH MY GOOD, run to the Honda website, you will be able to see the new TRX450R!!!!!

[hrc450er]

they do have it posted as a 2012 now, but it looks like the old quad to me, was really hoping it would be a new and improved model good job honda on doing nothing new

[DnB_racing]

thats a 2009!! I dont care if they put a 12 sticker over the 09, its still the 09!!they are just trying to sell the rest of the 09's that were never shipped out yet

they are trying to get as many emission credits as possible before the stricter standards set for 13,

[hrc450er]

hey it took a team of engineers alot time, money, and ingenuity to come up with just putting a sticker over the 09 one. give em a break. just thing at that rate we'll see a completely new one in about 60 years

[DnB_racing]

these still meet the current emission standards but they wont meet the 2013 standards,

by selling these as a 2012 they will be able to bank credits to be used for the following year, if they sold them as 09's they wouldn't be able to use the credits... they are doing the same thing with the EX

they are just using the quads to help keep from putting cats on some of there road bikes for another year

[wild250rman]

notice the only color option you get is the more expensive special edition's they didn't sell!:devious:

[socal]

And to think you could get a MX built 250R for a few K less than that pile!And it will handle 10x better,and you will have a machine with a legendary history that holds that WOW look at that bad *** quad factor!:devil: DONT FOLLOW THE HERD!!!Seriously Honda,release a 250R chassis version of the 450R,its that simple,give the public what they want and sell a ton of these things!DAM IT,now im PISSED!!!:mad:

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by socal
And to think you could get a MX built 250R for a few K less than that pile!And it will handle 10x better,and you will have a machine with a legendary history that holds that WOW look at that bad *** quad factor!:devil: DONT FOLLOW THE HERD!!!Seriously Honda,release a 250R chassis version of the 450R,its that simple,give the public what they want and sell a ton of these things!DAM IT,now im PISSED!!!:mad: not everyone wants 26 year old technology and designs especially the environmentalists...

you might get the wow factor with the old quads but with new designs you get the comfort to ride hard longer..

i do own both and have for years. they are different quads all together,I love my 250's but I really dont think the stock frame 250 is any better then the 450 frame, actually you get better wheel travel from the 450..

my 450 is much more comfortable and faster and I can ride it much harder all day, but that doesnt mean the 250 is bad just completely different quad,
its a light 2 stroke and the EPA will never allow them ever again, they are gone the way of the big block dodge motors only in our dreams..

the thing that makes the 250 so nice is how light the 2 stroke is,if you had to put a large 4 stroke motor in the 250 frame it would break after one double

[Pappy]

http://www.atvriders.com/atvnews/honda-2012-trx450r-trx250x-sport-atvs.html

[socal]

DNB,you missed the point! I meant using the geometry,not the actual frame! Have you ever been on a Laeger or Walsh 250R Hybrid with a CR or YZ motor,pure pleasure!!!You are the only person I ever came across that has a 250R who thinks this of the geometry!I have owned a 450R as well as YFZs,including the R version and a LTR...ALL of the 450s have a taller seating position,giving the feel of sitting ON the machine,and the 250R feels like you are lower sitting IN it...Ask any PRO,both MX and XC and they will take a Hybrid any day over any fully built production machine!

[trxredrider]

I understand everyone's frustration that it's the same but c'mon people! You all need to look at this from the business prospective...

There will now be an "official" 2012 model on Honda's books so the odds of there being a 2013 and so on are that much better.

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by socal
DNB,you missed the point! I meant using the geometry,not the actual frame! Have you ever been on a Laeger or Walsh 250R Hybrid with a CR or YZ motor,pure pleasure!!!You are the only person I ever came across that has a 250R who thinks this of the geometry!I have owned a 450R as well as YFZs,including the R version and a LTR...ALL of the 450s have a taller seating position,giving the feel of sitting ON the machine,and the 250R feels like you are lower sitting IN it...Ask any PRO,both MX and XC and they will take a Hybrid any day over any fully built production machine! I know what your saying, and i do love my 250
but the thing that makes them so agile and handle so well is the weight, you put the added weight of a four stroke in that geometry and it will handle much different

[Ichoptop]

Here is Hondas 2012 just released
Torrance, CA (7/1/2011) - The 2012 model year continues to gain momentum as American Honda Motor Company announced today the next release of new models.These new-model releases include the popular the much-acclaimed TRX450R and TRX250X sport ATVs.

“This latest release highlights a variety of machines available to Honda customers,” said Powersports Press Manager Bill Savino. “Here we have a big assortment of off-road machines suitable for the entire family, plus a great beginner bike that has given thousands of street riders a friendly introduction to our sport. And this isn’t everything for 2012; we’ll have even more good news to share about additional new releases coming out soon.”

More detailed information and images of Honda’s model line can be found on www.powersports.honda.com or see your local Honda powersports dealer.




Of course its a rebadge 2009.

Thanks Honda for the kick in the teeth. You suck.

[FW_cArBoN]

Love how they put 2012/2009....

[socal]

Originally posted by DnB_racing
I know what your saying, and i do love my 250
but the thing that makes them so agile and handle so well is the weight, you put the added weight of a four stroke in that geometry and it will handle much different Obviously,like I said,you have never ridden a Hybrid!!!

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by trxredrider
I understand everyone's frustration that it's the same but c'mon people! You all need to look at this from the business prospective...

There will now be an "official" 2012 model on Honda's books so the odds of there being a 2013 and so on are that much better. I dont look at it like that. I see it as honda selling the extra inventory while they can before stricter standards are imposed leaving them with millions of dollars of scrape metal

[OutlawBill]

2012 bold new graphics :eek2:

[trxredrider]

Originally posted by FW_cArBoN
Love how they put 2012/2009....
That's how their site works... Look in the other categories of powersports and you can click the links to see the previous model.

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by socal
Obviously,like I said,you have never ridden a Hybrid!!! I have ridden a couple and maybe they just weren't setup properly but I wasn't thrilled, a factory setup might be good,but to get that type of a quad would cost way to much for the average public

the hybrids Ive seen always had some sort of an issue

im just being realistic,as much as I like the old chevy 350 with a carb and points.. they are gone,and so are the 250's and there technology.

get used to tuning with a power commander or computer and all the wiring and relays and added weight and size that come with it.the 250s are like a dinosaur extinct, soon enough only museums..times have changed, everything is regulated by the environment and the activists

the 450 is on borrowed time..

[quad2xtreme]

I love quads but if my job were market development and marketing for Honda, I wouldn't give more than a hour meeting discussing the merits of ATV MX racing as far as a production release goes. Now the XC personnel would get as much of my time as they needed. The numbers fielded between XC and MX are so far out of whack it isn't even funny. PRO ATV MX racing can't even field a full force across all manufacturers. It would be a cold day in hell before I rolled out anything that was remotely designed for the mx world. You all can be glad I don't work for Honda. :D

[hrc450er]

they said they will have other things to release maybe they will have another 450 with a different name kind like yfz450 to the yfz450r/x ..... highly unlikely tho but for business reason i see why they done it but it kinda hurts then in the same way cause they prob wont sell a whole lot unless they keep em at a discounted price

[B.C.#11TRX400EX]

Honda just came out with the 2012 450R!!!!!!

[ss440ex]

Read back afew pages...

[B.C.#11TRX400EX]

i would have got a 450r if it had reverse last year but they dont so thats why i got my 400ex

[johnsoninc86]

Looks like another "bold new graphics!" year.... ha. What a slap in the face to so many people, funny stuff....

[Black450ER]

Lame. Nothing new, just a 2009 with 2012 placed in front of it.

[MtnEX]

Well... I got EVERYTHING I wanted... except...

A better frame...

A better rear end...

Good electric start and kicker combo...

HRC stuff stock....

An option to buy without suspension, tires and wheels...



All in all though, I am kind of in a way proud of Honda for being their slow running behind the curve selves...

Mostly because they didn't go with a more complicated motor and EFI just because everyone else did.

PEOPLE NEED CHOICES on this stuff.


Does look like to me they held out on producing some '09 SE's they had parts for though. That's all good though.

Maybe once they use up all those parts you other guys will get what you want as far as a total revamp.

[wild250rman]

Originally posted by Pappy
http://www.atvriders.com/atvnews/honda-2012-trx450r-trx250x-sport-atvs.html
looks like maybe from the wording a new 450 to go with the previous model? maybe an over lap of old and new to comfort the masses and help honda sell of the old stock?

[coryatver]

I am happy one way and not the other. glad they didn't put efi and aluminum frame. But not happy they didn't even change a few of the issues it has to make it better. I want one! My 06 is about wore out. All my aftermarket parts will fit right on the new one and I know everything about it and how to work on it and in race trim there isn't a better bike! yeah stock vs stock they are way back on the others but who leaves them stock anyway.

[turbo j]

Originally posted by Black450ER
Lame. Nothing new, just a 2009 with 2012 placed in front of it.

What a disappointment...

[tt racer]

Wow im shocked! You gotta be kidden me Honda! The amount of atvs you sell as a whole you couldnt invest money and R&D in a fully updated 450r!!! Atv racing needed Honda to step it up and support this NEW 450r. Im a Yamaha fan forever but this is crazy! I was hoping for a new model for the well being of the sport...man what a let down. Where you at phantomrider?

[ridehonda400ex]

TPR-I just have to point out that you are full of sh*t:)

[ridehonda400ex]

Also guys I think if they get enough sold they will come out with something bigger and better. They have to sell what they got out now or they will lose money since most everyone will rather buy the better product(more up to date) with EFI and Aluminum frames and all the other goodies. Just give them time.

[desratt]

did any one else notice no kickstart versions

[MtnEX]

Originally posted by desratt
did any one else notice no kickstart versions

Yeah... they apparently stopped production before they used all the parts for the SE model on the production lines.

They are just using the parts to build these as 2012 models I think.

[MtnEX]

Originally posted by coryatver
I am happy one way and not the other. glad they didn't put efi and aluminum frame. But not happy they didn't even change a few of the issues it has to make it better. I want one! My 06 is about wore out. All my aftermarket parts will fit right on the new one and I know everything about it and how to work on it and in race trim there isn't a better bike! yeah stock vs stock they are way back on the others but who leaves them stock anyway.

Same here, except I am a fan of aluminum frames done right. Light weight, rigid and take abuse without cracking. Only down side to them is they are soft when it comes to abrasion and they transmit more vibration.

The glass joe frame, engine life and lack of reverse is why I passed on it at $3900 and paid more for a KFX450R.

As far as EFI, it is nice but I have not had a great experience with it. It is better until it gives trouble and then it can be a nightmare.... and it is really expensive to tune. For racing and simplicity I would rather have a carb I think. Throttle bodies rock on simplicity, the trouble is all the dang wiring and all the sensors it has to have to gather enough data to meter the fuel to the injector.

[socal]

Im unsubscribing from this thread...Im a Honda guy and will continue to enjoy my 250R,the greatest of all time!!! Yamaha clearly wins with the new models,the innovative ideas and designs are well deserved of the reward of recent sales!!! Honda has FAILED yet again,sad...:(

[MtnEX]

Originally posted by socal
Im unsubscribing from this thread...Im a Honda guy and will continue to enjoy my 250R,the greatest of all time!!! Yamaha clearly wins with the new models,the innovative ideas and designs are well deserved of the reward of recent sales!!! Honda has FAILED yet again,sad...:(

The old Yamaha was first and in many ways better than the current one according to a lot of riders at the track.

But then we dead engine start and abuse quads in a different way in XC.

[dstracing]

And this isn’t everything for 2012; we’ll have even more good news to share about additional new releases coming out soon.”

Didn't anyone else read that as a clue???

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by dstracing
And this isn’t everything for 2012; we’ll have even more good news to share about additional new releases coming out soon.”

Didn't anyone else read that as a clue??? of course there going to say that,,, it doesnt mean it has to do with the 450r..

it has to do with the release of the 450x a heaver more turned down wood version for the 450

what do you think there going to say ? sorry to disappoint you but the 450r is staying the same?

[Miguel1994]

I don't blame Honda. I'm shure we will have a new TRX450 the latest in 2013. Don't worry guys, I'm 100% shure of that.

[MtnEX]

Originally posted by DnB_racing
of course there going to say that,,, it doesnt mean it has to do with the 450r..

it has to do with the release of the 450x a heaver more turned down wood version for the 450

what do you think there going to say ? sorry to disappoint you but the 450r is staying the same?

TRX 450X?... If so, that is maybe the most interesting thing written in this thread so far :D

But I would guess you are talking about the bike?

[TCracin440ex]

im still awaiting TPR to post. this guy has been very acurate on every quad he has predicted. i think honda has announced the release of the 2012 450r just to keep the honda riders on honda, but they havent released the info about it. im personally waiting on more info. if you read on their site it says MSRP TBD. which tells me that something is going to be different. say what you want. but imo if honda released a 450x and kept the 450r the same there will be alot of pissed off honda riders.

personally i never had issues riding mine in trails. it just requires more skills and fancier clutch work then what it did on any other quad ive ever riden. but that was fixable with a sprocket change.

[MtnEX]

Originally posted by TCracin440ex
im still awaiting TPR to post. this guy has been very acurate on every quad he has predicted. i think honda has announced the release of the 2012 450r just to keep the honda riders on honda, but they havent released the info about it. im personally waiting on more info. if you read on their site it says MSRP TBD. which tells me that something is going to be different. say what you want. but imo if honda released a 450x and kept the 450r the same there will be alot of pissed off honda riders.

personally i never had issues riding mine in trails. it just requires more skills and fancier clutch work then what it did on any other quad ive ever riden. but that was fixable with a sprocket change.

Screw yall... lol... yall are already on Honda 450's and are not likely to change 450's because of what Honda don't do... because you haven't jumped already.

Poking fun but being serious at the same time... that is my thoughts and probably their's also.

They gotta win me over, and the Yamaha guy over, and the Can Am guy, and the Suzuki guy... because CLEARLY, you guys are not enough market share to consume the numbers Honda had in mind to produce.

If they were to crank out a TRX450X with a gusseted frame, heavy flywheel and crank, and a reverse gear, that would win me over in a second.

I can't complain about a few pounds.
If it is that big of a deal I will have to shed a few myself.

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by MtnEX
Screw yall... lol... yall are already on Honda 450's and are not likely to change 450's because of what Honda don't do... because you haven't jumped already.

Poking fun but being serious at the same time... that is my thoughts and probably their's also.

They gotta win me over, and the Yamaha guy over, and the Can Am guy, and the Suzuki guy... because CLEARLY, you guys are not enough market share to consume the numbers Honda had in mind to produce.

If they were to crank out a TRX450X with a gusseted frame, heavy flywheel and crank, and a reverse gear, that would win me over in a second.

I can't complain about a few pounds.
If it is that big of a deal I will have to shed a few myself.


and imo if you need reverse on a sport quad u need to hang it up and get a utility. i coulda spun both my 450r and my 400ex arround in half the time it took for anybody to put their quad in reverse.

far as the market. incase you or anybody else hasnt noticed honda doesnt care about its sport quad market. the percentage of sport quads they sell is just a small percentage compared to the utes.

and if they was to add a reverse gear, heavier crank and flywheel then it would simply be a 450cc liquid cooled verson of a 400ex. so why bother. they already have the slow reving 400ex with reverse. why do they need another machine like that honestly?

and another honest opinion of mine honda could simply drop the 300ex off their lineup of sport quads all together and put the money used to make the 300ex to good use and create a better 400ex or even use the money to make the 450r that much better. 300ex to me is just a big waste of space on a dealer floor simply because it will be over looked and most buyers will shoot straight for the 400ex. but i cant do nothing about it. hondas going to do what honda wants to do.

[MtnEX]

I run a lot of 48" and less wide tracks and trails... tight and twisty...

:D I smile every trip out when someone piles up in one of these sections where there is no room to spin around. I press that magic lever right above my throttle and click down in reverse, back up and go around while the others are having to jump off and drag their's backwards by the grab bar to an opening where they can go right or left.

It is handy and absolutely retarded not to have reverse.
I do without it... but like a lot of things, I'd rather not to be honest.

As for the suggestion about a heavier crank and flywheel... it don't affect the motor like you would think. You might not want it for an MX track, but we are talking an X woods version here.

Anyways it makes basically no difference in peak power, and does not slow the revs as much as you would think... just improves the delivery, traction and rideability... ask anyone that is a serious 450cc woods rider on a dirt bike. Makes them hook up better, and pull a lot better without being revved to the moon or clutched to death.

There is not room in the cases to slow 450R engine revs down to the level of a 400EX. Ever seen the bottom end of a 400EX... lol...

[chrisrzz1012]

I told people on here that the 450R will be back. All I got was people saying that I was wrong or worse. I know this isn't an all new one but heck at least they are back. As being a Honda and Suzuki rider I'm happy. It says one thing they are back not being discontinued. A all new model will be here ( Look how the CRF-450R is doing). Plus having Joe Bryd, Josh Creamer, and others racing them. This is a huge step for Honda to take.

[RosquistRacer39]

I love this thread, but in all reality the sport quad market right now is pretty much dead. I don't see any manufacture putting money into sport quads at all. The problem is you can buy a hardly ridden used bike for nothing nowdays. Why would anyone look to put out 8-9 grand on a bike when they can be had for 1500-3000 used? And brand new left over bikes in crates for 3500-4000. I mean look at the races, they are not even filling the gates. Hopefully they continue to produce them but it feels alot like the late 80-early 90s to me.

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by chrisrzz1012
I told people on here that the 450R will be back. All I got was people saying that I was wrong or worse. I know this isn't an all new one but heck at least they are back. As being a Honda and Suzuki rider I'm happy. It says one thing they are back not being discontinued. A all new model will be here ( Look how the CRF-450R is doing). Plus having Joe Bryd, Josh Creamer, and others racing them. This is a huge step for Honda to take. we will see,

if they are just selling out leftover 09s as a 2112, then it really isnt back,
but if its a new quad then yes they are back ..but if they are just selling out what wouldnt sell before then how can you call that postive

[Miguel1994]

I think the major problem with ATVs is that you can't race a brand new ATV, we will always have to buy parts to do this or that, this doesn't happen at all with dirtbikes.

Then if you know you are going to waste a bunch of money in your quad you rather choose to buy an used one and rebuild it.

Honda as to come up with a solution like the new YFZ R or X it is pretty much ready to raca (not to win) and one can have fun without thinking in what to waste his money.

[MtnEX]

Originally posted by Miguel1994
I think the major problem with ATVs is that you can't race a brand new ATV, we will always have to buy parts to do this or that, this doesn't happen at all with dirtbikes.

Then if you know you are going to waste a bunch of money in your quad you rather choose to buy an used one and rebuild it.

Honda as to come up with a solution like the new YFZ R or X it is pretty much ready to raca (not to win) and one can have fun without thinking in what to waste his money.

Amen,

If I did not have kids, I would probably be on a bike although I am hooked on quads.

Bikes have always been where the development effort has been focused. Those are on national TV and draw big crowds of fans at the events... so I can see why that is the focus... but......................................

Can Am may at some point surpass everyone in the quad arena and cause the bar to be raised since they do not produce bikes. But my guess is that they are much like Polaris and have a lot of attention on their Snowmobile program.

Somebody needs to build just race quads... an use their buying power to produce well-equipped models at a reasonable price.

Or someone needs to sell an unequipped race crate... Frame, motor, electrical, seat, plastic (optional)... so we don't have to pay for all of that stuff we are just going to take off.

[Miguel1994]

I hope someone in Honda follows this thread.

In my contry (Portugal) we all love to have weith ATVs, some times ago the weidhts quad was the LTR they sold tons of them here, it was the king of the quads. Right now we have the YFZR at a reasonable price and it sells good too.

I bought a TRX450 but I always knew I would have to buy tons of parts to make it to my style, I bought cause I'm an Honda boy other wise I would have gone with a LTR or something.

If Honda comes out we a perfect solution to our problems they will certainly sell no mather how many used and cheap quads are out there.

I would suggest something like 3 stages of compounds, cheap and simple, normal (like the actual) and race. All the 3 without compromising the price which is the hardest part.

[Scro]

TPR, thoughts?

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=479447

[ThePhantomRider]

That looks familiar....Like I said what 2 years ago (Patent in '08 anyone?) that this quad is very different from the Honda norm with some innovations and as I said specifically..."Smooth" you'll see when this thing finally gets it's day in the sun.

TPR

[Black Sheep]

Originally posted by ThePhantomRider
That looks familiar....Like I said what 2 years ago (Patent in '08 anyone?) that this quad is very different from the Honda norm with some innovations and as I said specifically..."Smooth" you'll see when this thing finally gets it's day in the sun.

TPR

hmmm, Knowing a person who has had one of these pics since 08-09, and knowing what I do and who gave it to him...LOL...I know who your are...LOL...:D

[ah665]

Very excited to see if this machines comes to life. I really don't wanna give up on my current R but at the same time, this looks tempting. We do deserve a new racier model though. Thanks to the guys who have hinted towards this and provided pics/info.

[ThePhantomRider]

Originally posted by Black Sheep
hmmm, Knowing a person who has had one of these pics since 08-09, and knowing what I do and who gave it to him...LOL...I know who your are...LOL...:D

Who said pictures? I never had a picture, was not allowed to take any either.

Must be someone else.

TPR

[B.C.#11TRX400EX]

So is the new frame look like the dirt wheels frame kinda?

[Scro]

Not even close.

[B.C.#11TRX400EX]

Does it look better or is it the same steel frame

[SHIFTx450]

A closer comparison could be made with the kfx450r's aluminum frame.

[B.C.#11TRX400EX]

Cool glad its gonna be aluminum, does anybody know if Honda will have a 450 with reverse cause if they do ill definitly get one, most XC riders and trail riders want it

[SHIFTx450]

It's gonna be carbureted. Not efi.

[desratt]

looking at the patents on the new frame it will be EFI

[MtnEX]

Originally posted by B.C.#11TRX400EX
Cool glad its gonna be aluminum, does anybody know if Honda will have a 450 with reverse cause if they do ill definitly get one, most XC riders and trail riders want it

Amen,

But I can bet you money that it won't have reverse. No Honda race quad has ever had reverse. Not even the 400EX had reverse until after the 450R took it's place.

Fact is, most quads are sold on the west coast where it is wide open and nobody cares about reverse... and it is like reverse is a sin among the mx crowd as well.

[SHIFTx450]

Originally posted by desratt
looking at the patents on the new frame it will be EFI

Huh. I just skimmed through the literature again and it does reference a fuel pump which could imply EFI.

Gonna have to double check my resources.