czrider263 DRG build

[chad502ex]

Hello ppl:

czrider263 asked me to start an exclusive thread on ATVRIDERS.com to show it's members an inside look of his new fully build 2006 DRG450R (shameless plug).


So, we'll start with the inners of the 06 and compare it against the 05. When we are finished the 06 by splitting its cases, and after i have uploaded all the pictures of new parts, we'll show the rebuild and followup on the dyno with some measurements.

Feel free to particpate.





here's a picture of the 06 TRX450R stock head. One difference with this head over the 2005 TRX head is that the intake port angle is more than the 2005' probally for more swir cylinderl filling and more in-line with the exhaust port. A second difference with this 06 head is it uses 5.0mm stem diameter 30mm steel exhaust valves vs. 5.5mm stem diameter 30mm steel exhaust valves and 5.5mm stem diameter 36mm titanium intakes for the 06 and steel for previous years. Third difference with this head is that the head locator pins are in different locations, so the 06 will not fit previous jugs. Most ppl know this, but for the ones who don't this info may or may not be good stuff.

notice the green colored springs?

The 2006 cam chain was reduced two links from 114 links (04/05) to 112 links because of the stroke reduction.

[chad502ex]

once the head from czrider263's head was removed and flipped, here is the unburned deposits left on the head. Not to bad here. I've seem much worse before on other teardowns...

By the way, because the intake port angle oin the 2006 is different than the previous years the intake boot must be too. The new boot is also to fit the FCR which was also new on the 06.

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a blurred picture of the condition of his stock 12:1 slipper piston.

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only 34mm tall from top of piston to bottm of skirt.

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this is new on the TRX too!

an oil jet assembly. This oil jet is to spray and cool the piston underneath and mainly lubricate the wristpin.

the previous years was a jet tapped into the cases. This year it can be removed by removing the bolt.

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no longer is the tranny venting done behind the cylinder on the center cases (small vent tube). Now, it is done through the cases through the cylinder because of the starters location on the 06 being in the way,...

[chad502ex]

czrider 263 indicated he had about 50-60 run hours on this engine. the cylinder did not look too bad. I've seen worse- trust me.

Anyway, with this many hours i do not recommend installing another set of rings and go without a hone, replate, or because this will be the ultimate build, a new cylinder for almost the cost of re-plating..

[chad502ex]

a better shot

:D

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more 06 inners,...

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i really really really love this engine.

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after all the mx riding czrider263 does on this quad, I was real surprised to see this condition of the titanium seat lines.. No real signs of compression loss or leakage around the entire diameter of the valve head

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here is the 36mm stock titanium intake valve.

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now the exhaust side..

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the seat of the steel 30mm exhaust valve. no pitting either.

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here's the load side of the 06 450R.


wahooo!

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the driven gear, the starter sprag behind the driven gear, the crf counter balancer and reduced spanner nut. The previous years the counter balancer and spanner nut were obviously bigger (24mm). Above the clutch backet is the starter idler gears,.. bla bla bla

[chad502ex]

is there both available on one model? (brain-fart)
:confused:

[chad502ex]

this is new too!

the previous years didn't have a release spring on the clutch arm...



Come to think of it: when I removed czrider263's engine from his frame I did not have to remove any oil lines from the engine cases either...

[chad502ex]

internission (sp?): time for popcorn and piss-break.

after these messages I'll post pictures of the case splitting for crank photos and tranny snap-shots.

Until then, questions?

[tltcracing]

awsome stuff. i wan to get my 05 rebuilt but am to worried about what they will find.

[GPracer2500]

Really cool post. I love stuff like this....

--What's a "slipper" piston? Does that refer to this new generation of nearly skirtless pistons?

--What's it take to get a 04'/05' engine up to par with an 06'? Would a carb and a higher comp piston get you most of the way there?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by GPracer2500
Really cool post. I love stuff like this....

--What's a "slipper" piston? Does that refer to this new generation of nearly skirtless pistons?

--What's it take to get a 04'/05' engine up to par with an 06'? Would a carb and a higher comp piston get you most of the way there?

I'm real glad you are enjoying this thread.

I want ppl to see the differences between the 04 OEM and the 06 OEM. Surprisingly, I'm extremely pleased with the newer 450R internals.

you said it. a slipper piston is a next generation design where the skirt is almost non-existent. kinda-like a pancape piston in a bore... LOL.

there are a few engine builders, unlike myself, whom claim that the 04/05 engine is a better building monster. I agree and disagree with them. It kinda depends on what type of build you are shooting for. Hopefully, this build will moreless prove them wrong and keep czrider263 happy for a long time.

Stock for stock, the 06 will take the 05, but after the 05 and the 06 is all modd'ed up, the engine with more leverage (bigger stroke) should win. This is where I think the builders who claim the 05 is better is saying this. I also think they are saying this cause of the R&D involved in generation 1 engine.

[R3Concepts]

Will it make 60 or what Chad?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by R3Concepts
Will it make 60 or what Chad?

a good question, we'll see what it'll make, but I like what czrider263 has decided to go with to get there.

[czrider263]

LOL looks like the tear down is going well!!! And im sure Chad will make some sick HP numbers with what aftermarket parts we are going with!

[Kilabanshee]

Chad whatever you do................... DON'T give this kid more power then me!:devil:

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by Kilabanshee
Chad whatever you do................... DON'T give this kid more power then me!:devil:

LOL.

You both have to realize that I will do the best job I can for each. Yours, kilabanshee, is first generation and what you and I need to stay atop, but czrider263's engine will be absolutely sick!.

I can't wait to ride both.

:macho

[Kilabanshee]

Yeah well sh1t if my parts ever came from service honda maybe I'de be able to see what kind of power I'm making. I'll make sure to call tomorrow and b1tch as much as possible.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by Kilabanshee
Yeah well sh1t if my parts ever came from service honda maybe I'de be able to see what kind of power I'm making. I'll make sure to call tomorrow and b1tch as much as possible.

that has to be the longest 2.5 week lost order Service HONDA has ever done in the history of thier business...:eek2:

[czrider263]

It seems like all of kilabanshee's builds are cursed! lol But one thing is certain both me and kilabanshee will have super sick insane motors.

[czrider263]

One question for you chad are you going to do any head domeing or re shaping?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
One question for you chad are you going to do any head domeing or re shaping?

yes, chamber work and valve unshrouding are a must for flame front flow efficiency.

[czrider263]

Do u have any pictures of the stock ports? i want to see the difference between the 04-05 and 06?

[chad502ex]

cross-sectional area is good for top end.

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reduced choke point for quicker acceleration,..

[czrider263]

Thanks chad that helps alot.

[chad502ex]

here is czrider263 new OEM cylinder

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new baldwin 14:1 piston

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if the starter clutch sprag has issues the whole entire clutch basket, driven gear has to be removed to change it out.

In order to prevent this: be sure you never run lean on start up so no kickback on the sprag happens.

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same side everything needed before spilitting cases so that a new balanced blueprinted Falicon crank can be installed

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with the cases apart, notice how the crank journel outer silver feeler rings were rubb'n. Now thats how close these cases are to the journels under load.

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new radial crank bearing and seal. the 06 has outer bearing racer holders too. black bolts.

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here is czrider263 45 to 43mm machined taper bor carb ready for assembly.

[GPracer2500]

Originally posted by chad502ex
with the cases apart, notice how the crank journel outer silver feeler rings were rubb'n. Now thats how close these cases are to the journels under load.

Can you point out what your refering to here. I'm not familiar with what a feeler ring is.

I love all the pics!

[czrider263]

Hey thats alot with all the pics. the carb is done already NICE. can't wait to see what this bike does after your done with it.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by GPracer2500
Can you point out what your refering to here. I'm not familiar with what a feeler ring is.

I love all the pics!

see the copper looking crank journels with the silver looking ring on the outer diameter of the crank journels? That silver wear ring is meant to provide a "feeler" to the center cases when they flex under heavy power loads.

[Kilabanshee]

I'de first off like to thank Chad for building and awesome motor. Today I pulled my first holeshot. I always seem to have bad first moto luck. I always got mid pack starts on my old motor and always had to work my way up to the front. Well not today! I was able to pull a 2-3 quad holeshot on the fastest open-B riders in pennsylvania. unfortunately my awesome start came to an end quickly when I realised I was entering the first turn way to fast. I locked up both my front and rear breaks and by the time it was to late. There are tires all around the tracks for marking the corners. I ended up sliding into a large farm tractor tire causing a 3-4 quad pile up. I looked over and saw 2 riders off their quads lying on the ground. All the riders were uninjured and were able to start their quads up fairly quickly. All I can say is this is a holeshot winning motor. Thanks Chad!

[chad502ex]

your welcome, kilabanshee. ENJOY!

[TMSmx47]

what really needs to be done to a 04/05 to be comparable to the 06 without goin into a heavy build? Also I heard like a 13:1 piston is a little harsh for the 04/05 motor? Wiseco's 11.5:1 is the best especially for reliability. These just rumors or what.. I believe the most of your power your gonna see is all in your(Chads) head design by reshaping and everything else he does. My head is going there and we'll see what I make using a stock bore, low compression, DRG head beast compared to these other builds.

Cant wait to see you go national Chad! Good luck!!!

Thanks for the input!!

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
what really needs to be done to a 04/05 to be comparable to the 06 without goin into a heavy build? Also I heard like a 13:1 piston is a little harsh for the 04/05 motor? Wiseco's 11.5:1 is the best especially for reliability. These just rumors or what.. I believe the most of your power your gonna see is all in your(Chads) head design by reshaping and everything else he does. My head is going there and we'll see what I make using a stock bore, low compression, DRG head beast compared to these other builds.

Cant wait to see you go national Chad! Good luck!!!

Thanks for the input!!

it would be really kewl to get a chance to work your setup when your ready.

Actually, there is nothing to worry about with 13:1 static compression with your piston utilizing your cams overlap. Mod for mod the 04/05 engine should be extremely close to producing similiar power to the 06, but i'm leaning to the 06 to be slightly faster because it uses crf components that'll help it make the power faster.

REMEMBER: two engines producing exactly the same power, the one that does it first wins!

Thanks for you good wishes. I continue to hope that the "builds will continue to be reliable, produce top power, win races, and keep the riders smiling." --maybe that should be a new company mission statement!

[chad502ex]

here's the left center case for the 06 with the internals removed

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love this harmonically balanced, blueprinted, welded, lightened with Falicon Knife rod- shaaweat!

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the factory cam tower has been modified to run 1mm oversized intake followers (buckets) to allow for a large 208 intake profile without rolling over the bucket edge. makes for smooth operation,.....

one for me and one for czrider263

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a 43mm billet FCR center ring for my FCR taper boring

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adjustable cam sprocket for the 208 installation after claying in the piston to valve clearances

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with all this power, we've elected to install a new set of fibers/steels and 10% stiffer springs

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and programmable Dynatek igntion for the 06 450R to upload my own curves into...

[czrider263]

WOW looks like a lot of fun things have come in. Have fun puting it on the dyno when its done. WILL WE BRAKE THE 60 wall idk? i gusse we will see.

Thanks for all the pics and the update!!!!!

maybe you will make some progress this weekend.

As i promised i will get a michelle Reiser singed poster for you from this sunday. lol.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
WOW looks like a lot of fun things have come in. Have fun puting it on the dyno when its done. WILL WE BRAKE THE 60 wall idk? i gusse we will see.

Thanks for all the pics and the update!!!!!

maybe you will make some progress this weekend.

As i promised i will get a michelle Reiser singed poster for you from this sunday. lol.

well, if you get a signed poster, ask her to sigh my second poster of her

To DRG!

signed XxX...


:devil:

thanks czrider. I'll update late this weekend.

[FoxRacing81]

Originally posted by chad502ex
is there both available on one model? (brain-fart)
:confused:

Are you asking if you can get a kick starter and electric start on the same model?

Because at a local XC race, Chris Bithell (Pro GNCC Rider) started the holeshot with kick, then after the race and his interview, he started the quad up to go back to his pit using electric start.

If you are not asking that, then my bad. I am just trying to learn and your post are the best ever for learning everything I wanted to know and more about engines...haha..good job.

[czrider263]

Yeah i wouldn't mind having a kick back up!

[chad502ex]

the 45-to-43mm taper bore carb completed and waiting for the TPS set-points to be aligned to the new Programmable ignition module

[czrider263]

The carb looks great chad!!!

could you fill me in on what you are doing with the TPS?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
The carb looks great chad!!!

could you fill me in on what you are doing with the TPS?

resetting the TPS to new setpoints.

Since I still can't seem to reply to your full PM box, please do not expect me to reply to questions until you empty it out completely. I type a reply and then get the dreaded "full" message.... arggg!:grr:

[czrider263]

I took care of it SRY.

[chad502ex]

no worries.:cool:

[stocktires]

Awesome work Chad. Whenever I want to get my CRF motor freshened up, I'll definatley keep you in mind. Keep the info coming!

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by stocktires
Awesome work Chad. Whenever I want to get my CRF motor freshened up, I'll definatley keep you in mind. Keep the info coming!

thanks.

here's a snap of the exhaust side and partial chamber work. I've gotten done more, but not ready to illustrate complete.

I'll photo completition of porting in two days probally.

[TMSmx47]

Holy chit Chad! Do you shave in that port reflection when your done! You got it blingin' boy!

[czrider263]

PORTING LOOKS GREAT CHAD!!!!

[chad502ex]

you havn't seen nothing yet!

[TMSmx47]

Well chop chop Chad cuz I wanna see this thing!! If you say we aint seen nothin, I'm kinda excited to hear the final report from czrider263!!

[czrider263]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
Well chop chop Chad cuz I wanna see this thing!! If you say we aint seen nothin, I'm kinda excited to hear the final report from czrider263!!


LOL! im in no hurry i want it done right. and after its done ill be sure to write a nice ride report for it.

keep up the good work chad.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
Well chop chop Chad cuz I wanna see this thing!! If you say we aint seen nothin, I'm kinda excited to hear the final report from czrider263!!

well, maybe tonight the porting will be mostly complete, and by this weekend the build will be photo'd and assembled all the way to the custom valves train. Then by mid next week the engine will be installed.

stay tuned.

[czrider263]

Man all this hold up for 2 vavles and a cam taken out of our order.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
Man all this hold up for 2 vavles and a cam taken out of our order.

yup, but that wasn't me who did that to you!

[TMSmx47]

2 valves missing and the cam.. That s*cks dude. I hope all is workin out now. Cant wait!

[czrider263]

Originally posted by chad502ex
yup, but that wasn't me who did that to you!



Chad i know that you would never do somthing like that to one of your customers. Any new updates?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
Chad i know that you would never do somthing like that to one of your customers. Any new updates?

nope.

:macho

[TMSmx47]

TTT.. Cant lose the thread Chad so post away brotha..lol..

I actually have to hurry and get my head down there anyway cuz i have a list of people on here that want me to tell them how I like it.

Thanks guys and thank you Chad!

[chad502ex]

hey czrider263, I still plan on going to Breezewood tommorrow to ride and pick up your parts to install. Still waiting on your custom valves to arrive.... as soon as they do the assembly process will commense (sp?)... wahoooooo

[chad502ex]

here's the carb all ready for installation

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here's the intake

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wait- this was before!

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here's the compression chamber before the intake side was worked so that is why i blackened it out so ppl would not think it was done. see two pictures up for intake side picture



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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exhaust side

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heads complete- ready for custom valves to arrive

[GPracer2500]

Looks awsome. Thanks for sharing Chad!

[chad502ex]

thanks GPracer2500!

here's is the stock exhaust port

[Pappy]

Lots of pretty pictures, but how did it do on the dyno. You did not seem too happy with the results.

[czrider263]

Originally posted by Pappy
Lots of pretty pictures, but how did it do on the dyno. You did not seem too happy with the results.


My build was not on the dyno:( . that was chads DRG motor. This topic is on our 06 450r build up. We picked parts that will really see what a 06 can do.

PS LOOKS AMAZING CHAD. the porting looks great keep up the great work.

[TMSmx47]

Lookin great Chad as its been.. Keep the pics comin cuz your def gonna be gettin busy from the show here! :D

[Pappy]

Originally posted by czrider263
that was chads DRG motor.

I know it was chads on the dyno, its his work no matter what quad is being discussed, I just wanted to see what he thought.

[czrider263]

Im not sure what the problem was but IMO and i might be wrong that the cam he was using had to much vavle overlap. This is what i think but im no motor builder.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by Pappy
Lots of pretty pictures, but how did it do on the dyno. You did not seem too happy with the results.

Oh Pappy- this czrider263 build wasn't dyno'd yet. More than likely it won't be until about another week or so when its assembled.

The :( was with my quad when i tested a custom grind cam with the biggest camshaft you can fit in the stock bore/stroke 450R. The custom cam was tooooo much cam for the stocker and the ol' HRC i had installed before beat the custom cam up on tq with almost same hp. Sometime, R&D has costs for gain up. That was my costs for trying..... you know me Pappy- always-a-searching,.... I'll detail this information real soon when i remove the custom exhaust follow and custom cam to picture and start another thread topic.

[Pappy]

10-4

[czrider263]

CAN'T WAIT

[czrider263]

Hey chad do you have any pictures of the intake from the back so we can see the shape?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
Hey chad do you have any pictures of the intake from the back so we can see the shape?

I do.

[czrider263]

Originally posted by chad502ex
I do.


WELL????

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
WELL????

already posted

[czrider263]

No a picture looking into the intake port from outside the head.

[chad502ex]

oh man, i don't have one of those yet,..:p

[czrider263]

Any pics of the botom end buttoned up with the crank, piston and new cylinder?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
Any pics of the botom end buttoned up with the crank, piston and new cylinder?

i should have the entire bottom end build complete by monday. Just waiting on DASA to ship the custom valves to complete the top end. Maybe we should start thinking that DASA will not be able to fill the order and go to Ferrea direct... we'll talk later about this if needed.

Here is the bottom end ready for the cylinder/piston assembly on monday. A degree wheel is installed ready to degree/clay check the 208 Web camshaft.

[chad502ex]

here is your Foxx shocks i need to install before installing the engine into the frame.

I've got to get her on her sneakers before i muscle the engine into place...

[chad502ex]

here's czriders263 Ti-Moly Sidewinder chain, front and rear sprocket too!!!

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new filter and sock

[TMSmx47]

CZRIDER263... you musta won the lottery or something. You just aint playin around are you.. D@MMMMMMM!!

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
CZRIDER263... you musta won the lottery or something. You just aint playin around are you.. D@MMMMMMM!!

It's got to be the most incredible quad i've seen. IMO better than what Pro's run too!

and he thinks he is getting her back... LOL:macho

[czrider263]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
CZRIDER263... you musta won the lottery or something. You just aint playin around are you.. D@MMMMMMM!!


With me its all or NOTHING lol thanks man.....

[450R_lover]

Man czrider263... Where DO you get all your money? You've got two built 450r's and your only 16 or 17? Man... your a lucky kid!

[czrider263]

Originally posted by 450R_lover
Man czrider263... Where DO you get all your money? You've got two built 450r's and your only 16 or 17? Man... your a lucky kid!

Yeah im a lucky kid my parents always support me a 110%.

[450R_lover]

Thats awesome man.. and that's so cool too. Alot of ppl would prolly get jealous and say that your just a rich kid that gets whatever you want.. but in all honesty.. most ppl prolly wish that they could be the way you are. I think its awesome that they support you and your quads because alot of parents would be scared of their kids getting hurt and not allow them to ride or race. Even though i dont know your parents... tell them i said they are AWESOME!! :p

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by 450R_lover
Thats awesome man.. and that's so cool too. Alot of ppl would prolly get jealous and say that your just a rich kid that gets whatever you want.. but in all honesty.. most ppl prolly wish that they could be the way you are. I think its awesome that they support you and your quads because alot of parents would be scared of their kids getting hurt and not allow them to ride or race. Even though i dont know your parents... tell them i said they are AWESOME!! :p

i can attest that his father is really smart and kewl man. Not just cause he is giving me work, just because i respect him as a person too.

[czrider263]

Originally posted by 450R_lover
Thats awesome man.. and that's so cool too. Alot of ppl would prolly get jealous and say that your just a rich kid that gets whatever you want.. but in all honesty.. most ppl prolly wish that they could be the way you are. I think its awesome that they support you and your quads because alot of parents would be scared of their kids getting hurt and not allow them to ride or race. Even though i dont know your parents... tell them i said they are AWESOME!! :p



They are a little scard of my racing because i had a bad crash last year. And thanks for being cool..

RAUSCH TOMORRW YAHHHHHHHHHHHHH:D

[TMSmx47]

CZ... where do you usually race at? Whats like your home or local track? Have you raced this year at all?

[czrider263]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
CZ... where do you usually race at? Whats like your home or local track? Have you raced this year at all?

All district 6... i haven't raced this year because im going from the blaster to 450 class. And they will not give me my card till the day i turn 16 BUMMER..:( so i can only make 3 races this year. But i will have the quad to win them LOL sometime soon ill post some pics of my house track its small BUT fun.

[Kilabanshee]

Alex I can't wait till you get in the big boy class! Are you riding Rausch this weekend? Let me know!

[TMSmx47]

I cant wait till you get in the big boy class either!! I'm kinda lookin forward to racing you! i run all district 6 also! I'm sure you'll be running OPEN C then at Sleepy Hollow...

[czrider263]

BRENT i am going to rausch TODAY the 11th come and join if you want!!

[chad502ex]

how was your trip to Rouch?

[czrider263]

AMAZING i have some pics under where to ride!!:D

[chad502ex]

OK sorry to the ppl that have been PM'ing me that they are watching the progress of this build.

Last weekend, I went White Water Rafting with friends and family. so I wasn't into much wrenching this past couple of days... now back to the greese and oil.. :D

Tonight I finished the bottom end.

[chad502ex]

here's a sweet shot of what czrider263 has wanted to see.... the bottom end complete!! wahoooo!

[chad502ex]

tommorrow night-

jug, piston install, 208 install in modified tower


:macho

[czrider263]

LOOKS AWSOME!!!!!! Any news on vavles YET IM GETTING ALITTLE AGREY(not at you). But Glad to see the bottom end DONE.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
LOOKS AWSOME!!!!!! Any news on vavles YET IM GETTING ALITTLE AGREY(not at you). But Glad to see the bottom end DONE.

no news on intake valves. DASA is screwing around with your order BIG TIME. Last Thurday they told me to call this Wednesday to see if they would be in this week. I'm beginning to think they are doing it to screw us on purpose now cause every time i call i hear a new reason as to the delay and the order is over 1 month old for 2 valves. So, if it comes down to a delay over 2 custom intake valves, we'll go ahead and try to get them direct thru Ferrea if we must. I have already contacted Ferrea today via email. I have not heard back yet. Be patient- we'll see which direction we need to go from here.

[chad502ex]

As promised, here is the completition of the bottom end all the way up to the head. The hed is completed with porting, just waiting on custom valves to clay and degree in the new 208 camshaft.

[chad502ex]

another viewpoint- czrider263!

[chad502ex]

here's the custom bored cam tower with +1mm over-sized buckets for larger profiled camshafts (i.e. 208 and a few others)

[chad502ex]

Every since I was given those sweet shocks to install, they have been sitting on my garage floor waiting for the frame to be upright on it's sneakers. So, tommorrow I'm going to switch from the engine (cause I can't do anything else until the intake valves arrive) to the front shock installation.

stay tuned.

[chad502ex]

It keeps getting better and beter and better for CZRIDER263.

lucky dog... :macho


Here is brand new Fox EVOL Float front shocks for his new thumper... grrrrrr


absolutely amazing shock technology these are.

I set these up before i bolted them up. Comes with a low and high pressure air pumps with gauges to set the internal air pressure within the two internal air bladders for ride height and compression stiffness. The shock owners manual was thicker to read on the toilet without your legs falling to sleep LOL just kiddn'- dont worry i didn't really do that LOL..

[chad502ex]

here is the modified installation of the Dynatek ignition module (programmable) into the stock OEM 06 CDI bracket.

Look at the photo before with the shocks pictured and notice the braclets width between the CDI holder ears.

For the dynatek ignition, they offer a two port module and the stock cdi module is three port so the OEM CDI bracket had to be rebent to hold a smaller width CDI. I just rebent the holder in my 6" vise effortlessly. Works perfectly. BTW: the Dynatek ignition with two port module uses an adapter plug externally to connect all three plugs from the wiring harness up to the ignition using the upload programming connector port.

Here's a picture of the installed CDI

[czrider263]

Looking GREAT. I knew you would love those shocks.

[eastside 400]

did you get new fox's even though you already had fox's on it before?

[czrider263]

I had fox on my 06 but i put them on my 05 because i thought i would race that one and put the elka's on my 06. i fell in love with my fox so i bought another set for my 06.



WHERE ARE THOSE VAVLES

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
I had fox on my 06 but i put them on my 05 because i thought i would race that one and put the elka's on my 06. i fell in love with my fox so i bought another set for my 06.



WHERE ARE THOSE VAVLES

called DASA on Friday and Anita said that the valves are being coated and that she expected them in on Friday but probally early this coming week.

I want to get this build done and tested....

[czrider263]

So when do you think this build might be finished LOL. maybe i should order another order from DASA now so when i need new vavles next year i might have them LOL.


ALSO any news on posibly gettin a FCI?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
ALSO any news on posibly gettin a FCI?

yes, I'm getting one.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
So when do you think this build might be finished ?

as soon as you custom parts are made and shipped.....


I could have had your build completely built in two weeks time if it wasn't for your build being completely custom made to order :macho:

[chad502ex]

czrider263, I was cleaning down filters today in filter cleaner, and your old filter contaiminated a full half gallon of K&N cleaner with red oil.

I thought to mention to everyone that spraying an air filter with oil should be on outer surface only to trap dust to the outside of the pleats and not to saturate the filter with heavy oil spray,...

not trying to be negative about filter oiling, i've just seen a many filters over sprayed and the effects on the A/F monitoring as measured on the dyno and seat.

hope this helps.

[chad502ex]

update:

The custom DASA Titanium flat top coated valves are done and are being shipped to me tommorrow.

We should be completing this build and dyno'ing this monster real soon thereafter....



can't wait! wahoooooo!:macho

[czrider263]

THAT IS GREAT NEWS!!!! It took them long enogh tho.

[GPracer2500]

Hey Chad, any details on the valves? Who made them, who designed them, and how are they different then off-the-shelf valves?

Just curious....

[czrider263]

Originally posted by GPracer2500
Hey Chad, any details on the valves? Who made them, who designed them, and how are they different then off-the-shelf valves?

Just curious....



I know that DASA designed them and fearri or however it is spelled makes them. Dasa sent them out for hardening and thats what took a long time. And whats differencorrect me if im wrong but they have a different shape and a flat top to rase compression alittle.

[cals400ex]

ferrea ;)

[chad502ex]

True- Ferrea makes the custom valves. Basically, they are Super-Flo Ferrea Ti crf valves with flat top for added compression. DASA sends the custom valves off to add DLC coating (unknown "'Diamond-Like Coating).

The coating helps keep the valve from cupping and the tip from softing..

[chad502ex]

I will post pictures when I get them in my greasy hands....

[GPracer2500]

Originally posted by chad502ex
I will post pictures when I get them in my greasy hands....

Cool. :cool:

About DLCs: I bet there's some good info about DLCs in this issue...

http://9e.net/mg/ra11.jpg

...too bad I'll never know. The the $235 annual subscription price keeps scaring be away. :eek2:

[chad502ex]

can't just one issue be purchased?

[GPracer2500]

Originally posted by chad502ex
can't just one issue be purchased?

I'm not sure. You can get a sample issue for $22 from THESE FOLKS (http://ew1.com/mghra.html) and maybe you could specify what issue you wanted but I don't know if they'll do that. It's a UK mag and I've not been able to find it on any bookstore mag racks...

I gave up on all ATV mags and most two-wheeler mags a long time ago. Race Engine Technology looks like my kind of read (you too I bet). I mean come on, "The Journal of Powertrain Engineering for Performance and Efficiency"; that's gotta be good!

Subscribe Chad--you know you want too. Then you can tell me if it's worth the price....:devil: ;)

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by GPracer2500
I'm not sure. You can get a sample issue for $22 from THESE FOLKS (http://ew1.com/mghra.html) and maybe you could specify what issue you wanted but I don't know if they'll do that. It's a UK mag and I've not been able to find it on any bookstore mag racks...

I gave up on all ATV mags and most two-wheeler mags a long time ago. Race Engine Technology looks like my kind of read (you too I bet). I mean come on, "The Journal of Powertrain Engineering for Performance and Efficiency"; that's gotta be good!

Subscribe Chad--you know you want too. Then you can tell me if it's worth the price....:devil: ;)

thanks for the info- i'll order and photo the applicable pages to post.... :D

[eganracing]

wow i wish those magazines were cheaper. that would probaly be very interesting to read every month.

[TMSmx47]

I got my custom valves made by MANLEY. My fathers friend is the GM and therefore we now know the company owner Richard Maskins. For all of you who dont know MANLEY and never herd of Maskins... If you know V8 power, then you know DART. DART blocks, heads, etc. Maskins is MANLEY and DART. Needless info, but thought I would share my .02 ... I only said this cuz the design they made me were exactly as Chad described the ones he just got from DASA. Not sure "How much improvement" they made, but so far are working great. Had to change them cuz I recently blew my motor up. Put it back together stock but the d*m thing feels faster..lol! Stock bore, stock comp, HRC still, stock carb jetted, same YOSH, WB CDI, same K&N... VALVES??..:eek2: .. doubt it but whatever. Head goes to Chad in a month anyway:devil:

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
I got my custom valves made by MANLEY. My fathers friend is the GM and therefore we now know the company owner Richard Maskins. For all of you who dont know MANLEY and never herd of Maskins... If you know V8 power, then you know DART. DART blocks, heads, etc. Maskins is MANLEY and DART. Needless info, but thought I would share my .02 ... I only said this cuz the design they made me were exactly as Chad described the ones he just got from DASA. Not sure "How much improvement" they made, but so far are working great. Had to change them cuz I recently blew my motor up. Put it back together stock but the d*m thing feels faster..lol! Stock bore, stock comp, HRC still, stock carb jetted, same YOSH, WB CDI, same K&N... VALVES??..:eek2: .. doubt it but whatever. Head goes to Chad in a month anyway:devil:

thanks for the info

[czrider263]

Hey chad do you think maybe this upcoming weekend we can finally dyno it?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
Hey chad do you think maybe this upcoming weekend we can finally dyno it?

no i will be in Tenn./WV until after the holiday... soon thoughh.

[czrider263]

your killing me chad!!! lol

[chad502ex]

when the valves are delivered then we can start planning on the build getting done... until then it's all like pissing in the wind...

LOL!

[czrider263]

Just got good news from Chad. The build will be moving along very shortly. maybe seeing it done this weekend(fingers crossed).
The only thing stoping him was the long wait on intake vavles....Can't wait to see what this thing does.

[chad502ex]

as requested by czrider263- we'll continue to share the information...

[chad502ex]

another

[chad502ex]

last of the custom valve...

[czrider263]

WoW those vavles do look nice!!! so the DLC is a heat trement and not a real coating ????????

[Kilabanshee]

Looking good Alex and Chad. Looking forward to seeing this thing DONE!

[Phills450r]

is there no limit on money with this thing???

[chad502ex]

this quad should be an exclusive artical in an ATV performance magazine...

[czrider263]

Originally posted by chad502ex
this quad should be an exclusive artical in an ATV performance magazine...


LOL any pics coming tonight chad?

[blasteracer24]

how much does a motor liek this cost?

[czrider263]

To much lol

[chad502ex]

installed

[chad502ex]

installed springs

[czrider263]

looks so pretty

[quadwanter]

Originally posted by blasteracer24
how much does a motor liek this cost?

thats what i want to know :eek:

[chad502ex]

just a degree'n the 208 in for cP-V clearances

[exrider008]

wow i cant wait to see it done, and some dyno numbers :eek2: :devil:

[czrider263]

Wow you have done alot of work on it LOOKS like its all coming together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chad502ex]

clay checking the 208 with stock gasket.

plenty of clearances, need to install crf gasket with .020" less...

[czrider263]

is .08 alot of clearance when we are worrying about vavle float? J/W??

[chad502ex]

those clearances are with the 208 retarded 4 degrees...

installing the crf gasket will decrease those clearances 20 thousands.

i'm shooting for .050in/.070"ex so predicting ~2-3 degrees retard..... wahhhhoooo!

tommorrow night the engine should be assembles.

friday night framed

saturday oil, chain, carb, ignition programming, tiny tach, verrrroom

[czrider263]

NICE that one pics of the motor getting degreed in you can see a little of the intake and it looks intense!!!

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
NICE that one pics of the motor getting degreed in you can see a little of the intake and it looks intense!!!

don't forget the fuel too!! :D

[honda350r]

Chad , build looks good!

PS... "Land O sun" called and wants their crate back !!!

[ghott]

Chad, forgive me if this is a dumb question, but are you using oversized buckets?

[blasteracer24]

Originally posted by ghott
Chad, forgive me if this is a dumb question, but are you using oversized buckets?

i do believe he said he was.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by honda350r
Chad , build looks good!

PS... "Land O sun" called and wants their crate back !!!

Thanks.

You lost me with, "Land O sun" called and wants their crate back"...

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by ghott
Chad, forgive me if this is a dumb question, but are you using oversized buckets?

yes. OS buckets will be used as pictured earlier in this super long thread!! :D

[Chino886]

Originally posted by chad502ex
Thanks.

You lost me with, "Land O sun" called and wants their crate back"...

Hey Chad,

He is talking about the milk crate that the beast of a motor is sitting on.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by Chino886
Hey Chad,

He is talking about the milk crate that the beast of a motor is sitting on.

OHHHH, LOL!!!!

:D

[czrider263]

chad now do you have any pics looking into the intake from outside?? i really want to see the shape!!

[chad502ex]

sorry no pictures of the intake from the outside.

I can not wait until this build is done cause i feel like i could change my career field into a photographer....

[chad502ex]

czrider263 STOP SMILING!!! If it wasn't for the three week wait for those custom valves you would already have been riding... but it'll be kick arse for sure....

[czrider263]

When you thinking it will be ready for dynoing? I can come this weekend but that might be a little to quick.

[chad502ex]

i am unsure. I know you want to see the dyno, but i may not be able to coordinate my schedule around your availibility and commute. i have many things going on so the test, when it happens, will more than likely be on the spur-of-the-moment when the build is ready and I can get to Virginia. Either way, it will be tested, but do not count on being there. sorry. don't worry- i'll take pictures, provide ignition curves, and dyno sheets...

Just be happy when its done and you roost the entire field on the holeshot.

[Architects]

man thats a nasty looking motor. Im jealous!

[Kilabanshee]

Originally posted by chad502ex
i am unsure. I know you want to see the dyno, but i may not be able to coordinate my schedule around your availibility and commute. i have many things going on so the test, when it happens, will more than likely be on the spur-of-the-moment when the build is ready and I can get to Virginia. Either way, it will be tested, but do not count on being there. sorry. don't worry- i'll take pictures, provide ignition curves, and dyno sheets...

Just be happy when its done and you roost the entire field on the holeshot.


Roosting everyone but me of course!

[czrider263]

Originally posted by Kilabanshee
Roosting everyone but me of course!


you wish!!!

what do you think you might be dynoing it becuase I have my racing license now and can race next weekend!! so if its not this weekend i need to pick it up asap so the dyno might have to wait.

[chad502ex]

let me finish and i give you a call sunday night...

[czrider263]

Chad you have me on the edge of my seat:D I can't wait to see the next set of pictures.

[chad502ex]

Oh my GAWD!

:macho


it's silly!

:D

[chad502ex]

framed

[Kilabanshee]

Looking good ladies!!!:devil: :D

[exrider008]

im in love:eek2:

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by exrider008
im in love:eek2:

me2. I can not express to you how silly this quad is,...

Tommorow it should be assembled and complete for final pictures.

I'm trying to coordinate a dyno run, but i've ridin' this monster and i'm really really really impressed. The thing is i'm not a real good tuner. I need a tool like a dyno to tell me if it's dial'd in or not. What's awesome to me is that i feels great and may not even be dial'd in all the way. Usually I can get close, but i take no chances until the dyno a/f sniffer tell me the story..


the only thing left is plastic, and tiny tach.


czrider263: it appears that you severed the tps cabling near the battery, or something, cause my computer would not connect to the ignition to reset the TPS setpoint values... The Dynatek is still programmed, but right now the WOT curves are the only ones the engine is usings.... one dimension, not three dimension TPS- doh!

[czrider263]

What does your seat of the pants dyno say its got?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
What does your seat of the pants dyno say its got?

feel real good.

not sure..

[chad502ex]

tiny tach install..

[chad502ex]

picture says it all folks!

[exrider008]

;ets see the dyno #'s:devil:

[eganracing]

whats the tiny tach for?

[GPracer2500]

Originally posted by eganracing
whats the tiny tach for?

Smart addition I say.

I'll bow to Chad's answer but I'm guessing it's there for its hour meter function more than anything else. Hour meters are great for keeping on top of maintenance schedules. Not really needed on your typical 400EX but a 450 (especially a built one) is a lot more maintenance intensive.

I bet the tach function comes in handy for idle speed adjustment and maybe a few others things.

[czrider263]

Great job chad!!! this week is going to drag on forever waiting to ride this beast!!! also the tiny tach install looks really clean. Once again great job and you do awsome work.

[chad502ex]

Thanks everyone for the good comments.

GPRacer2500. your words were perfect to decribe the reasoning for the tiny tach this build.. to track maintenance schedule (resetable), rpm for adjustments, max rpm record (kinda like Days of Thunder "tell all little button"), and total engine run time.

we hope this week i can coordinate the dyno time. If I don't get to commute to Virginia from Maryland to dyno tune, it'll be up to czrider263 to dial her in a take care of the beast. I'd say it's everything I'm use to with mine (power wise) ;)

[Jonas]

Can we get a list of the conponents of this build? Sorry, if it's been stated before but this is becoming a long post.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by Jonas
Can we get a list of the conponents of this build? Sorry, if it's been stated before but this is becoming a long post.

HONDA OE crank:
blueprinted/balanced to piston pack weight
Falicon Knife Rod

Baldwin 2-ringer 14:1 piston

HONDA OE cylinder (new)

HONDA 2 layer crf head gasket (0.018"); bearings; seals

custom titanium intake 36mm DLC coated Ferrea valves (by DASA); stock exhaust

custom over-sized 28mm intake followers (buckets) with custom cam tower

Web 208 camshaft

adjustable cam sprocket

DRG porting

KW valve spring kit

DRG taper bore 43mm FCR carb

DRG 06450R air filter kit

Dynatek ignition with programmed DRG ignition curves

Rossier pipe

Tiny Tach

Sidewinder Ti cahin and sprockets

Float Float shocks


i think thats it..

[czrider263]

Originally posted by chad502ex
HONDA OE crank:
blueprinted/balanced to piston pack weight
Falicon Knife Rod

Baldwin 2-ringer 14:1 piston

HONDA OE cylinder (new)

HONDA 2 layer crf head gasket (0.018"); bearings; seals

custom titanium intake 36mm DLC coated Ferrea valves (by DASA); stock exhaust

custom over-sized 28mm intake followers (buckets) with custom cam tower

Web 208 camshaft

adjustable cam sprocket

DRG porting

KW valve spring kit

DRG taper bore 43mm FCR carb

DRG 06450R air filter kit

Dynatek ignition with programmed DRG ignition curves

Rossier pipe

Tiny Tach

Sidewinder Ti cahin and sprockets

Float Float shocks


i think thats it..


Don't forget the FCI lol. so any news on maybe a dyno run.and what about your crankcase breathing mod? and you haven't told us how this thing revs?

[chad502ex]

no FCI for you to keep. they are available from FCI to buy if you want one... I just installed to see how this thing felt with it.

I have to say that it revs real good smaooth and fast.

The dyno isn't looking good this week with Matt settling on his new house and being available to coordinate to dyno session with me..

let me know what you want to do.

[stocktires]

Chad,
On the tiny tach, where do you plug it into? Some type of electrical on/off?

[chad502ex]

battery terminals with the sensor lead wrapped around the plug wire. The tiny tach has an internal battery for storage and consumes almost zero current...

[stocktires]

How about on a kick start quad?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by stocktires
How about on a kick start quad?

they work because of the internal storage battery..

[czrider263]

So have you heard back about a dyno run? Man i can't wait to ride this thing. i hope i fly right off lol.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
i hope i fly right off lol.

I hope you don't.

My friend Jim, whom i built a 530R for, last Saturday crashed in southern Virginia sand drag on his 150hp+ banshee. Jim was dragg'n down the strip about 60mph when he popped second gear and thrown off the back with the power snap causing him to shatter his coller bone, broke 3 ribs, a road rash everywhere. The road rash had to be irrigated and scrubbed with a viynl brush to remove the dirt and sand from his flesh...

Let's hope my friend Jim has a speedy recovery...

[Jonas]

What kind of maintenance are you recommending with this build?

[GPracer2500]

Originally posted by Jonas
What kind of maintenance are you recommending with this build?

I'm curious too.

[czrider263]

ALOT lol!! AND GREAT NEWS we are dynoing this build on thursday night should have the numbers posted friday!

[chad502ex]

only engine maintenance I recommend is:

change oil- especially after break-in

once valves get 'seated' after break-in, adjust valves and order a set of OEM intake valve shims- not Hot Cams shims for the intake DLC valves.

change valve springs frequently with Web 208 sagging them out... <<<otherwise, install drop-in cam and insure the steps above are followed.



Its nearly impossible to try to predict the amount of hours the KW springs would be able hold up on the 208 due to heat and average rpm. Many spring designers have suggested that ~10 hours of runtime with KW and 208 is about all you can get until the springs sag (which is the exact reasoning as too why czrider263 purchased two spring kits). A sagged spring on clearances like this build is extremely dangerous, as I've already advised czrider263. Valve float could occur if the springs get too soft. There is no way to predict the amount of time the springs will hold up. Personally, I've seen KW springs last many hours of run-time drag racing, and I've also seen these springs sag really quick using the 208. I wish I knew for absolute, but I do know that the 208 cam is flat out the best- IMO. Anyway, czrider263 is completely aware of the hazards with running this profile and indicated that this would be a 'RACE-ONLY' quad (since he has two).

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by chad502ex



once valves get 'seated' after break-in, adjust valves and order a set of OEM intake valve shims- not Hot Cams shims for the intake DLC valves.







Just curious as to why you say to use the OEM shims as opposed to the hot cams shims?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by 400exrider707
Just curious as to why you say to use the OEM shims as opposed to the hot cams shims?

good question.

HC shims are softer than OEM shims, and since czrider263's build has HC shims installed on break-in, I would bet that the 'softer' HC shims will be pounded from the DLC hardened valve tips into something thinner than it originally was measured thick...

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by chad502ex
good question.

HC shims are softer than OEM shims, and since czrider263's build has HC shims installed on break-in, I would bet that the 'softer' HC shims will be pounded from the DLC hardened valve tips into something thinner than it originally was measured thick...

I never knew that. So are the hotcams shims no good at all, or just for tougher valve springs like his DLC ones. Do you know what material they are made of by any chance? HC or OEM?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by 400exrider707
I never knew that. So are the hotcams shims no good at all, or just for tougher valve springs like his DLC ones. Do you know what material they are made of by any chance? HC or OEM?


(as quoted by ex-HC designer Ticeman @ Aug 27 2006, 11:25 AM)

What I am saying is the HC shims are Rockwell C 55. They are surface heated and air cooled to this hardness. They are not a forging like the OE shims, hence the price difference. And also the wear difference when subjected to differences in material hardness and coatings.

Say for instance that the shims had DLC and the valves were C 55, the exact opposite would occur than what is now. We all know that a non-through-hardened shim WILL NOT withstand the pounding DLC valves hand out to them. The reason being, the shims are surface hardened, not forgings. As sson as the surface hardness is breached, it's over, most likely in minutes of run time.

Forged shims of the same hardness will be that hard from top to bottom. They will wear at the same rate no matter what. That's why they last longer, they are not treated the same way. One is pounded into it's thickness, the other one is cut to it's thickness then treated to get the correct surface hardness.

i never said that HC shims are bad, just not 'preferred' for this build

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by chad502ex
i never said that HC shims are bad, just not 'preferred' for this build


Awesome info chad thanks. Yeah I shouldn't have used the term "bad" I guess.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by 400exrider707
Awesome info chad thanks. Yeah I shouldn't have used the term "bad" I guess.

no worries. just wanted to clarify...

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by chad502ex
no worries. just wanted to clarify...

Does hotcam put that as a note anywhere on their shim kits I wonder???

Also on a side note, you say that the 208 cam is the "best" in your opinion. Best at what? All out power, all around power, price/performance???? Thanks for the insight.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by 400exrider707
Does hotcam put that as a note anywhere on their shim kits I wonder???

Also on a side note, you say that the 208 cam is the "best" in your opinion. Best at what? All out power, all around power, price/performance???? Thanks for the insight.

'best' imo for making power. almost 3 hp greater than HRC at the cost of catasprophic failure is certained conditioned are not controled or though of. Fresh springs and oversized buckets can bring the 208 into safer ranges until springs get soft and the valves loft over the lobes...

[400exrider707]

Sorry if this has already been posted, but do you happen to have the specs between the two cams so I can see the difference? 3hp over the HRC is pretty impressive from just a cam. Is that peak hp? Im curious to see the dyno run on this quad now. I would like to see the graph of this compared to a mild built 450 with a piston and HRC cam. Not only for peak hp, but smoothness of the curve. Thanks again chad

[czrider263]

Chad you will have to call me the seconed you get a dyno number lol.

[czrider263]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH today is the big day.

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by czrider263
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH today is the big day.

Chad said expect somewhere in the 25 hp range......


j/k haha, I am really excited to see this dyno graph myself just for comparisons sake. Good luck, hope she pulls some big numbers. Have you guys talked at all about any expected numbers?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by 400exrider707
Chad said expect somewhere in the 25 hp range......


j/k haha, I am really excited to see this dyno graph myself just for comparisons sake. Good luck, hope she pulls some big numbers. Have you guys talked at all about any expected numbers?

Good question about expectations....I have none.

I HOPE to get over 50! If any more, It will be good.

The law of diminishing returns start taking its tole with the cost of each part out-doing the gain of performance. It's the quality of the part that makes the build better all the law of diminishing return grabs hold....

DON'T FORGET that dyno's are suppose to be used as a tuning tool...

:chinese: :chinese:

[Kilabanshee]

It should hit 54-55 easy.

[chad502ex]

that would be great if it did in this pouring down rain with 100% RH....

[czrider263]

Chad i sure hopes it does more than 50!! lol

A 06 that you did with the rossier pipe,piston,filter,and cam hit 49!

our build is a little sicker than that.

[mike nash]

Kila, don't recall seeing Dyno #s for your machine.

[czrider263]

I think the best hp kila made was 52hp? but it was like 90 that day up at breez.

[czrider263]

Great news on the dyno is made 54hp and change but was interesting was the tourqe curve

[chad502ex]

true czrider263. You have a sick build-

...and that's all i got to say abowt dhat! <<< name that movie!

anyway, to almost tag 55hp is a serious build no matter how you slice it...

What is great about the 06 compared to the 04/05 engines is the following:

If two engines produce the same power, the engine that does it first-wins!

My point is that the 06 does exactly that--- it can produce power faster than the first generation 04/05 450R engines.


Speaking of czriders263 power, his tq is amazing.... I haven't seen a tq curve look so wonderful with the way it holds almost the same tq from pk to limit with over 30lb/ft of tq at 9400 rpm... That's awesome to be able to hold up the power up like that...

for instance: look at the following tq curve from an 06 450R that me and Precision Motorsports build together did.... See how the tq rolls-off hard at is measured to be about 27lb/ft?

[chad502ex]

now czrider263 tq...

RED= FCI intake

BLUE = stock box with DRG filter

[chad502ex]

tq mathmatically converted to hp!


RED= FCI intake

BLUE= stock box with DRG filter