View Full Version : Are the FXR available?
musky
10-17-2009, 08:37 AM
I spoke with Pitster a few weeks back & the said that they had to wait for something to clear before they could start selling them. I looked on their website earlier & it says that they are still not availale for sale.
I was just wondering if anyone knew anymore about this.
Ron
Three-foot
10-25-2009, 11:34 PM
It has to do with a little bill that our x-president, Mr. Bush signed while he was still in office. You will see Pitsters all over the place before the 2010 season hit full speed.
JIM GRACE
12-09-2009, 04:07 PM
I thought the lead law was ammended.
If not when do you think dealers will have units?
JIM GRACE
12-10-2009, 10:13 PM
Pitster said they should have the green light in a
couple of weeks or so :D
tyler70t
12-15-2009, 04:50 PM
You just got that 90 running right, what are you up to Jim?:confused: :confused: :confused:
JIM GRACE
12-15-2009, 06:13 PM
I think Brandon just wants to push the
throttle for another year. Who knows
greenmachine70
12-18-2009, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by JIM GRACE
Pitster said they should have the green light in a
couple of weeks or so :D
Thats what he told me over a month ago.
I have given up on getting one in time for this season and will stick with the DRR. Next year will be time for a Raptor 250 anyways. Its kinda sad that they burst onto the scene and several of us are ready to buy and then....nothing!
I wish they(Pitster) would stay alive in these threads and put one of their quads in a video against an Apex or DRR on their track with kids not adults or teens. That would tell me alot. Seems like they are afraid to put this quad up against the 2strokes that are on the podiums.
The vid against a Cobra70 is a joke and it is in an arena track that is smaller than my yard.
musky
12-19-2009, 05:07 AM
Originally posted by greenmachine70
Thats what he told me over a month ago.
I have given up on getting one in time for this season and will stick with the DRR. Next year will be time for a Raptor 250 anyways. Its kinda sad that they burst onto the scene and several of us are ready to buy and then....nothing!
I wish they(Pitster) would stay alive in these threads and put one of their quads in a video against an Apex or DRR on their track with kids not adults or teens. That would tell me alot. Seems like they are afraid to put this quad up against the 2strokes that are on the podiums.
The vid against a Cobra70 is a joke and it is in an arena track that is smaller than my yard.
Amen to that. It was mid Oct. the 1st time that I spoke with pitster & they told me there would be noproblem at all getting these things out by Xmas. The 2nd time that I called in mid Nov. they still seemed confident, & if I called now I'mm sure that they would tell me that they are almost there. The quad looks great but I still say thats way to much $ for a 30 day warranty on a quad that has been proven. I went through that with the ds 90x & will never do it again. The can am had a 6month warranty & I still fought constant problems after the warranty expired.
tyler70t
12-19-2009, 05:11 AM
What class would the 125 or 150 be able to run?
JIM GRACE
12-19-2009, 05:27 AM
Our local rules at atco says it can run in the supermini class, any 90 2 stroke / any 125 4 stroke. Run what ya brung in that class , cobras
and mods in that class as well.
Ride1Rob
12-19-2009, 07:21 AM
Dade City let us run our 150 in the mod class with the modded 2 strokes. If we were 125 and stock suspension we'd be in stock appearing class. They invited us out and watched it 1st and saw there was no advantage of the 4 stroke being a 150 or a shifter.
greenmachine70
12-19-2009, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by musky
Amen to that. It was mid Oct. the 1st time that I spoke with pitster & they told me there would be noproblem at all getting these things out by Xmas. The 2nd time that I called in mid Nov. they still seemed confident, & if I called now I'mm sure that they would tell me that they are almost there. The quad looks great but I still say thats way to much $ for a 30 day warranty on a quad that has been proven. I went through that with the ds 90x & will never do it again. The can am had a 6month warranty & I still fought constant problems after the warranty expired.
Its not the warranty that bothers me. I know if I bought a Raptor 250 and raced it, they would probably not honor the warranty either.
However the biggest problem I have is the fact they spent all that time making a video with big guys riding them on a track and doing some cool whips and wheelies.
Then they give a few quads to a select few people/companies.
But it seems as if they refuse to put this quad in a video up against the Apex 100 and DRR 90.
I am sure there are plenty of these quads at their local track that would be more than willing to race them in a controlled environment on their track. Also put kids in the video, not adults.
I am still not convinced it will run against the quads I see running our local tracks. Maybe in our "stock appearing" class, but these modded 2strokes will eat it up. Just my opinion, I wish they would take the extra step to prove me wrong. I will be the first to eat my words if I am wrong.
I wanted to buy one badly, but not sight unseen and not until I see how competitive they will be against the DRR and Apex.
Ride1Rob
12-19-2009, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by greenmachine70
I am still not convinced it will run against the quads I see running our local tracks. Maybe in our "stock appearing" class, but these modded 2strokes will eat it up. Just my opinion, I wish they would take the extra step to prove me wrong. I will be the first to eat my words if I am wrong.
I wanted to buy one badly, but not sight unseen and not until I see how competitive they will be against the DRR and Apex.
I still don't get you on this one at all :ermm: . You've been watching a completely stock 4 stroke motor run against modded (whether heavy or not so heavy) 2 strokes for a year now. Lightly modded 2 strokes he pulls, heavier modded 2 strokes we lack a tad bit of power. The motor is without a doubt on par with the 2 strokes performance wise either stock for stock or mods and you have seen that. Not sure what else you could possibly be looking for.
greenmachine70
12-22-2009, 05:53 AM
I read on FB that they will be out the 1st or 2nd week of January
greenmachine70
12-26-2009, 07:09 AM
Not sure if this is a glitch, but it says on the Pitster website that the quads are available in a limited quantity with free shipping right now????
Who is gonna get one first?
Please let us know how it works out.
Ride1Rob
12-26-2009, 02:14 PM
Where's that? I couldn't find it.
JIM GRACE
12-26-2009, 02:35 PM
X 2
greenmachine70
12-27-2009, 08:49 AM
go to the home page of Pitster and click the word "shop" in the upper toolbar. I have not seen this before, maybe it has been there and they never took it down. Kinda think they would slam the forums as soon as these are availabe knowing how many people including myself are interested.
Ride1Rob
12-27-2009, 09:39 AM
Here's part of what they have on the bottom of their page about the FXR.
*Available for limited distribution and only experienced pro level riders should race the FXR.
Guess that wipes out 99 percent of kids wanting to race this bike. PRO LEVEL :ermm: .
musky
12-27-2009, 10:02 AM
This has been a long drawn out process to say the least, so long that we went in another direction. Pitster should have waited to throw out all that hype until the quad was ready for distribution. I really was interested in one of the fxr's until I spoke with Ron Early. The fact that a $3400 machine is only covered for 30 days tells me that it will propably only be reliable for that time. I went through the new model woes with the ds 90x & would never do it again without a better warranty. Not sure what all that pro level rider crap is about, pretty sure Coen isnt pro. He runs Xc in my area in the under 300cc class as did Early.
greenmachine70
12-27-2009, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by musky
This has been a long drawn out process to say the least, so long that we went in another direction. Pitster should have waited to throw out all that hype until the quad was ready for distribution. I really was interested in one of the fxr's until I spoke with Ron Early. The fact that a $3400 machine is only covered for 30 days tells me that it will propably only be reliable for that time. I went through the new model woes with the ds 90x & would never do it again without a better warranty. Not sure what all that pro level rider crap is about, pretty sure Coen isnt pro. He runs Xc in my area in the under 300cc class as did Early.
I guess you havent priced an Apex Pro MXR100 or 90 lately. They have ZERO warranty and cost the same or more with a less reliable drive system. Even a DRX90 with nerfs and wheels will be in that price range as well, however they show a 6month warranty.
I would like to beleive Pitster would help someone out within 6months, but they dont have to. I also have to beleive that once you take a DRX and replace all the springs, rollers, clutch and sprockets to race it the warranty would also be void. I bought the first year DRX with dual a-arms and the pipe that broke on everyones quad also broke on mine and I wasnt offered any help except the retail cost of a "new Style" pipe that was made to stop the breakages. Oh yeah we only trail rode and never raced back then.
As for the DS you bought, it is a trail bike that is no where close to race ready either. I always thought that racing anything voided the manufacturers warranty. No one is gonna make a perfect race ready quad. They will all need gusseting and engine work to get to the front because the guys up front will always be doing something to stay there.
So which direction did you go in?
Also Pitster has stated on open forum that the quads those boys raced were early run production and the things that had problems were improved. We shall see soon I hope.
musky
12-27-2009, 03:20 PM
Can Am advertised the ds 90 x as entry level race ready quad & repaired the quad under warranty 4 times knowing that it had been raced.
If you buy one I hope that you have the best of luck with it. I dont have the cash to buy a z 155 engine every few weeks. As I told told you in the pm Ron Early said Ryan loved everthing about the quad but the engine would not hold up in the quad or the pitbike that they had. I hate to see people go through what we did with the Can Am.
Like I said we went another direction. We really wanted to by the Fxr but good sense & the can am told me to stay away from a quad that is new to the market. This is the last thatI will say about the Fxr since we are no longer in the market for one.
Ron Nice
greenmachine70
12-27-2009, 03:33 PM
if you went with an apex or drr, you will learn quickly the first time you have a lean failure from a crank seal or dirty jet or bad gas or whatever. Teh cost to have someone port a cylinder, crank, piston and labor is more than the 150 motor cost and you can bolt it in yourself.
Trust me I know after 2 engines this season.
Good luck on whatever decision you made.
Would still like to know what you went with and what type of warranty it has for racing? If you dont mind
Ride1Rob
12-27-2009, 05:10 PM
The Z155 is only several months old and the Z155 motors Early and Coen ran where pre production models. Slightly different than the Z155's out now just as the quad was a slightly different bike then as well.
tboltusa
01-24-2010, 10:34 AM
they are finally ready
if you need help or info please let me know
vince
Three-foot
01-24-2010, 01:05 PM
Good day,
It's been a while since I have posted here. Since then we have purchased a FRX125 for the purpose of parts development and testing. After the Pitster spent sometime at Rath Racing we received our FXR125 a full set of Rath goodies including sway-bar, wider nerfs and a cool front bumper. We have been racing our FXR 125 on the ice with the SWIRA for the last few weekends. After some playing with both jetting and gearing we out ran a full Mod DRR on the SWIRA close to 1/2 mile oval this weekend. Both the DRR and FXR riders were about the same weight and size. I have video, I will try to post it if I can figure out how.
On the warranty issue with both the Pitster and DRR. Most any ATV manufacture warranty are limited in one way or another and all around 6 months. We all should read the fine print. I believe that the Pitster's warranty is in-line with most the other race based minis out there. Lets face it, this sport has grown faster then the most and these minis have been pushed past their limits. As the speeds increase (at a cost)so dose the suspension and as the suspension improves (at a cost) the weak links keep moving.
On the delayed release of the Pitster, well when your dealing with the goverment nothing is for sure. A little thing called the Action Plan Filing put off the release. Something all ATV importers are facing or will face this year. Anyone heard of or remember the Consent Degree from the three wheel days?
Also on the Pro rider statement on the Pitster site, it's just like the no one under the age 12 rider sticker on all your DRR, Apex, etc. Pitster must list that statment just like all the other ATV manufactures with warnings for legal and goverment reasons. Try walking into your local Honda dealer and asking to purchase a TRX 90 for your 6 year old. Not going to happen. Again, goverment control forced by the people that don't want to see your youth riding or racing ATVs.
I will try to post more on the Pitster that we have out and racing. We also plan on putting it out on the Flat Track this Summer.
Three-foot
Ride1Rob
01-24-2010, 02:10 PM
You're right about the age limits on all atv's as there are restrictions with size. But what I was looking at was "Pro Rider". I don't think any other manufacturers have that for their bikes. I think the Pitster is a nice bike as well and can't wait to see your footage. I think alot of interest has been lost over the last couple of months as it shows with no posts in this forum since the release of the bike.
Three-foot
01-24-2010, 02:48 PM
Not to sure why Pitster choose that wording? Sometimes laws, rules and Attorneys require special wording to keep the non-atving groups and sue happy public out of the loop hole business. It's sad that a small group of people can spoil it for the larger group.
Three-foot
dericsdad
01-24-2010, 08:40 PM
goverment control forced by the people that don't want to see your youth riding or racing ATVs.
This is not the "Free" country it used to be!!! It's time for the Government to STEP BACK and let ME decide what is best for me.
I am so tired of the Government telling me what is good fo me and bad for me!
THIS COUNTRY IS BECOMING THE NEW EXAMPLE OF EXTREME SOCIALISM!!!
Three-foot
01-24-2010, 09:28 PM
I understand and agree, but I didn't make the state to change the focus of this form. Sometimes the people don't see or understand the bigger picture. But let's stay on the track of this link.
Thanks,
three-foot
tboltusa
01-25-2010, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by dericsdad
This is not the "Free" country it used to be!!! It's time for the Government to STEP BACK and let ME decide what is best for me.
I am so tired of the Government telling me what is good fo me and bad for me!
THIS COUNTRY IS BECOMING THE NEW EXAMPLE OF EXTREME SOCIALISM!!!
the quads are age specific and it goes by size , ill get more info up soon
greenmachine70
01-25-2010, 05:35 PM
I like the info from your post, but ice racing??????
This is not helpful for MX racing which is the majority of kids racing out there.
Someone needs to put this quad on a REAL MX track against some DRR's and Apexs'...PERIOD.
When that video hits and shows what you say then I beleive these quads will sell like the hype says they should. Honestly, I dont see it happening in stock form unless its a national caliber rider against local series riders not in their top 3 at skill level.
Ice racing is about traction and its nothing like MX on skill level, IMHO.
funny thing here is that Pitster has apparently SOLD quite a few of these quads to a select group of people who only are looking to make money off of it and not PROVE IT'S CAPABILITIES.
For gosh sakes one of you guys WHO BECAME THE SELECT FEW ABLE TO BUY A quad, post a freaking vid of this thing in a real race against the big 2!!!!!!!
Why is that too much to ask???????????
Bring one to Florida and I will bring 3 boys on stock appearing 100cc DRR's and you bring the pitster 125 or 150 and we will get this debate settled once and for all!!!
I am sure this could be arranged at one of our tracks around here.
Three-foot
01-25-2010, 09:51 PM
O.K.
Well first we paid for this FXR. Second I am just putting some information and my opinons out there, sorry it's not what you want to hear. I didn't know this was a MX only form. Up here ice and flat track are bigger then youth MX. We sell both DRR and Pitster (now), both are great minis. Are we looking to make a litttle money on either of these brand minis? You bet, so is your sponsor and the sponsors of this site. Come on guys, if this information is not helpful or interesting to you then don't read it. Or read it and take what you want and leave the rest. Why should I waste my time on this form if I am going to catch hell for simply posting infromation?
greenmachine70
01-26-2010, 07:00 AM
Dont get your pants in a wad. How come you were allowed to buy one before anyone else in the country?
I am not hammering you I am hammering the COMPANY who makes this quad.
This debate has been going on far too long and several people have wanted to purchase one but were told no because of some govt bs.
So why were a select few allowed to before the rest of the racers out there? Its not like my son was gonna ride it on the white house lawn.
So now we know that the Pitster will rule the GNCC and Ice Racing arenas, I am hoping that someone will actually take a video of it against equal riders on DRR & Apex on a MX track.
My point was that there are more MX racers in this country than ice racers.
I also clearly stated that I like the info from your post. Unfortunatley(actually fortunately) we dont have ice to race on here in Florida...lol
I had 2 dealers offer to sponsor my son on one of these but we couldnt get one until after the season started and thats not time to learn to race a clutch. This is our last year in minis and I would have made it a pitster if I could have bought it last year like some people were allowed to do. I am actually glad now that they werent released so I didnt make that mistake, jmho.
Please post your video, I am sure many others and myself would like to see it.
Would also like to know what is done to the "full mod drr" that your pitster outran.
rookiewrench
01-26-2010, 07:21 AM
The only info. that I have on the pitster was when it was @ pleasure valley last year. It ran in the 90 production class and had a fast lap of 2:28 on Saturday and a fast lap of 2:24 on Sunday and took 8th both days. That was riden by Levi Coen on a modded out 125 with shocks a arma and a swinger with if i remember correctly the stock shocks. He took 8th both days. He also competed in the 90 mod but that is like comparing apples to oranges.
Lap times say he would have taken 8th if he was running in the 90cvt class against modded cvt's. Levi is a good rider and his parents own a race track in Ohio but i believe he is a gncc kid.
The bike seemed to handle well and he had plenty of engine work done but I do not have any video just remember talking to him and his father at the track.
You can check for yourself the lap times on the atvmotorcross web site.
Ride1Rob
01-26-2010, 09:10 AM
It is hard for me to imagine a 125cc thumper outrunning fully built Drr's and Apex's. But just because I haven't seen that I'm not going to put my foot in my mouth. There are some die hards out there that just feel like the thumpers don't stand a chance. I DISAGREE TOTALLY! We race in the modified class on a Lifan 150 with only portwork and a highcomp piston. My son is competing against kids that have raced for years and we only have 14 races under our belts. Not to include he's only 8 yrs old and there are three kids on the gate with him 14-15yrs old on bikes that haul the mail. We accelerate with these fully modded Drr's off the gate. The bikes are COMPLETELY dialed in! We lose momentum only because he has to upshift as where the 2 strokes simply stay in the gas. We are only SLIGHTLY modded with what we have. We don't keep up because of skill level not because of lack of power. The pitster 150 will run with any mini quad in any type of racing you put it on the track to perform with if the riders are equal in talent. If there's someone that can show me of a Drr or Apex that will overly outperform this show me the video... Here's a vid of our setup and you'll see this thing has more grunt than any 2stroke I've seen. We just don't spool up as fast... But there are many tricks to make that possible as well. If I can get our motor to perform like this out of my garage I can only imagine what some of these engine builders like Hetrick could do with these lil pitbike motors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cia3HojfERI
Three-foot
01-26-2010, 09:35 AM
I can't say that I haven't done it myself, but sometimes we need to stop and read what we type before hitting the enter bottom. I have in the past did what I call knee jerk posting. That is when you read a post only one time and then start typing without really thinking it all the way out or to re-read the post you are replying to. In my post I stated that we were able to purchase the FXR to do produce development and testing as did Forplay and a number of other aftermarket companies out there. We contacted Rath and did just that. Our FXR is equiped with the a number of Rath goodies which are working great. On the release issue, I will admit that Pitster might have waited to the last minute to get on the action plan boat, but after that it was out of their hands. The Goverment BS as you put it is due to a group of people that have much louder voices (money) then you and me. And it also had a lot to due with the Big Boys (Honda, Kaw, Suz, Polaris). All the new importers of ATVs coming to the US were not playing by the same rules that the Big Boys were forced to play by many years ago. But thats another long boring issue.
Yes, Pitster did put a lot out there before the FXR were for sale and there has been a lot of time talking about them. But many other manufactors do the samething. How many Honda ATVs were you able to purchase the day after you read about them in the press? There was a lot of talk about the new Apex 4 stroke mid-size mini, where is that ride? Heck, two years ago Unison had a way cool 450 that was going to hit the market, but never happen.
But, back to the issue at hand. Again as posted we have only changed jetting and gearing. We also installed an K&N filter on the carb and remove the airbox for easier jetting. The Mod DRR I'm sure has a ported cylinder with a reworked head and a lot of clutch work. What the truth is about the full details on Mods the Father will not be reveil, as I'm sure many on this post would do. Why give away all your time spent secrets. As on any track, ice flat or MX someone has a X on their back as the one to beat. And that's what we were doing. We caught our X and beat him on our oval track. Now we must step up for this weekend's TT (for those MX guys that don't know what that is) It is a type of flat track that consits of both right and left hand turns off your basic oval. As with MX it is more then just traction, it is all about set-up which finds traction. With both ice and dirt we all know that just having a fast mini dosen't win races. Here's my knee jerk, lets not compare skill levels for any type racing. Each type of racing has it's own skills needed. Take you MXer to the flat track sometime and see how he dose when he throws it into a corner at full speed without the nice high berm to bounce off. Anyway I digress, to be honest the main reason we stepped into the Pitster line was to get away from the nightmare of clutching the CVT for the best performance. I know many of you have spent years dialing them in and have a good understanding on how they work. But I beleive that there are a number of parents that have turned away from the mini race world due to the cost and time needed to dial in a CVT to compete with the top runner at any track. I think the Pitster will help in that area. I also believe that (sad to say) that the 2 stroke is going to be forced out soon. The AMA is already going that way for the full size guys. How long do you think it's going to be after the four stroke mini start showing up at tracks before the Goverment (AMA) BS puts their thumb on that group. I know DRR has a 4 stroke coming and I don't think it's going to be a CVT.
I will try to post the video, but that might take sometime. Like I said, not really sure how and where to post it. First I need to get the footage from the parents.
Three-foot
greenmachine70
01-26-2010, 10:03 AM
Well, I actually did take my son one time to the best TT Track in Florida. With 8 kids on the start line, he came in 2nd in heat 1 which he dominated until his plug wire came off on the last lap and lost by a quad length.
Heat 2 he Dominated after the 2nd turn and in the main event he did the same. Came home with the 1st place overall.
Finishing 2-1-1
He had never ever been on hard clay before and all we did was put some American Racing tires on the back, still had the knobbies on the front. The kids he raced against were on there home track and clearly this is what they do because most were wearing street style helmets and flat track tires front and rear with lowering kits. Apexs', Kaseas, Yamahas, DRR's & a typhoon everything was there
I am not trying to brag, I have pics and trophies to prove this. We concentrate on MX since then and never went back.
It was a heck of a lot of fun though.
I do appreciate all the info on the pitster because I had a serious interest in one and I think the quad looks awesome with good intentions.
This is our last year in minis and it cant come too soon. You are right on the cvt thing, the main reason I hate them too.
greenmachine70
01-26-2010, 10:08 AM
gotta hate those dang orange trees, they will jump right out in front of ya...;)
Looks good, now make him do that on the gate this weekend and bring some zip ties...lol
T@AFP
01-26-2010, 11:09 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by greenmachine70
funny thing here is that Pitster has apparently given out quite a few of these quads to people who only are looking to make money off of it and not PROVE IT'S CAPABILITIES.
For gosh sakes one of you guys who got a free quad, post a freaking vid of this thing in a real race against the big 2!!!!!!!
Why is that too much to ask???????????
WOW!
Three foot welcome to this.....forum/whipping pole.
I appreciate the info you are bringing to the table.
As you mentioned in one of your posts. ATV Four Play did not get a free quad and thanks for mentioning that. Pitster sent us one to develope parts for the machine. So once the the goverment bs was over we can release them and hopefully make this machine a little better.
If you need anything from us let me know.
Tom
330/289-1423
www.atvfourplay.com
greenmachine70
01-26-2010, 11:40 AM
I stand corrected and edited the previous post.
THREE FOOT clearly said he bought one, but t@afp keeps saying "pitster sent us one" so it can easily be seen where one would assume you were given one for R&D.
I guess it is safe to assume that early and coen also paid for theirs too.
Sorry, guess I shouldnt assume anything written on the net.
Heck I dont even know why this thread keeps me coming back, I am out of that arena unless someone wants my boy to ride one of theirs on the track. Definitely not opposed to that.
Ride1Rob
01-26-2010, 01:02 PM
I don't get you Steve (Greenmachine70) :ermm: ... The more I try to the more you confuse the hell outta me. I guess what you have seen 1st hand isn't enough. Either that or you're just really upset with Pitster :( . You have watched the same motor outrun Colb off the gate several times. You have seen the same motor walk away from him out of the corners. A STOCK MOTOR! Yet you keep going on and on about the thumper not being able to compete with Drr's and Apex's. You've seen this in at least 5 races first hand but by reading your posts you have never seen it at all. I'm really confused...
You remember this race?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOB-GQ2AS2o
greenmachine70
01-26-2010, 01:53 PM
But what about the quads that are in your class? Rob, look into this a little harder, has the other black drr ever outrun colby? He was way out in front of him for the 1st part of the race. Usually Colb is 1/2 track ahead of him. It is also clear our CVT clutching was going away.
All of the quads in this video are in stock app. You yourself said in that race that Colby didnt turn up the heat until the white flag was out and then what happened. He found the pass, made it and increased the gap until the end of the race. Not to mention that motor had several races on it and you know it was not what it should be and I wont get into the issues it had.
I dont want my son to run in the mod class, my wallet is not big enough.
The previous post says a 125 was outrunning a modded drr not a 150.
I like the vid of your holeshots, but when he shifts, the 2smokes are gonna be hitting the high end of the powerband that is where it will get interesting.
:D
Three-foot
01-26-2010, 02:41 PM
Well, Tom thanks for the postive feedback. We received word from Gary that the wait is over. Pitster received the green light from the Goverment to put the FXR out full in the market place. Sell away with your great line of FXR Pitster goodies.
Three-foot
Ride1Rob
01-26-2010, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by greenmachine70
But what about the quads that are in your class? Rob, look into this a little harder, has the other black drr ever outrun colby? He was way out in front of him for the 1st part of the race. Usually Colb is 1/2 track ahead of him. It is also clear our CVT clutching was going away.
All of the quads in this video are in stock app. You yourself said in that race that Colby didnt turn up the heat until the white flag was out and then what happened. He found the pass, made it and increased the gap until the end of the race. Not to mention that motor had several races on it and you know it was not what it should be and I wont get into the issues it had.
I dont want my son to run in the mod class, my wallet is not big enough.
The previous post says a 125 was outrunning a modded drr not a 150.
I like the vid of your holeshots, but when he shifts, the 2smokes are gonna be hitting the high end of the powerband that is where it will get interesting.
:D
The quads in our class pull us because we have to shift gears and are some nicely built motors. We're right in the pack off the gate on a stock motor. Anyone that has seen what you have would think with mods for us it'd surely perform even better. If I were to put a Tak head and stroker crank in this bike the ball game would change dramatically. There was a 128cc two stroke on the gate with us last saturday. We were right in the pack with it and all the other 2 strokes into the 1st turn. That's on a stock motor with a ported head. Put a 125cc thumper in and a tak head and you get the same hp we have now in the stock appearing class. Think it's safe to say it will compete!
My posting of the video was to get you to see (which I shouldn't have to because you were standing right there) the motor will compete. You've seen it 1st hand but refuse to recognize what you've seen. I'm not claiming fourstrokes are here to take over the world I'm just stating THEY WILL COMPETE with the 2 strokes. The pitster you want brought to the track to run with those 3 drr's with the same mods is something you may not want to see. Then again, you've seen it many times already. Different bike, different motor name but same power delivery and prob less experienced rider, but you've seen it.
greenmachine70
01-26-2010, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by Ride1Rob
Yet you keep going on and on about the thumper not being able to compete with Drr's and Apex's.
You remember this race?
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Go back thru this thread and you will also see a guy who actually did do testing on one with a rider who wins at national levels and he also said it would not run with his DRR. Now he has first hand knowledge because his son was lucky enough to be asked to test one.
I am just giving my opinion I will now leave this thread as it has obviousley offended some.
We all know what opinions are like....even mine;)
Ride1Rob
01-26-2010, 07:03 PM
Guess that one guys opinion hundred of miles away trumps what you have seen right here in your back yard. What about the comparison between the FXR and the Cobra you told me about? I've said all along their both good bikes. Pick your poison and go with it ;)
hwf-racing
01-26-2010, 08:24 PM
Rob, I know Jams bike is very fast, and pulls strong out of the holeshot, and very light! The Pitster 150 has a larger platform and more mass and weight to move around . Not to mention a older kid which= more weight. The Pitster would need serious mods to compete with Jam's quad just because of these issues. I would love to get away from the CVT but I know these Pitsters will need serious $ to compete. Oh by the way, the kid that won both heats in the mods class is running that quick on a 86cc 2fast kit. THAT IS THE FASTEST DRR I'VE SEEN!!!!!! Derek
Ride1Rob
01-26-2010, 08:41 PM
Corey's bike is very quick and Corey is one hell of a rider. I only hope that Jam is as good as he is some day. His dad is trying to convince me their motor is a 70cc lol. I KNOW BETTER!!! There's no telling what's REALLY in that bike. But if you were to really step back and look where Corey's motors come from you know he's got the best of the best in his motors and the same best of the best building them. Then, take a look at the way our garage built motor runs. Built by a dad that likes to tinker in his garage and figure how to make things run faster. Think of how our motor would run if we were sponsered by Hetrick and they worked their magic on it. Those guys know tricks to the trade that I will never know just like Fallon and his builders do with the CVT's.
The Pitster is lighter than us. Jams bike is 260 wet stock. With everything gutted and a lighter motor we're probably 245-250 wet now. The Pitster is listed at 215 I think. I'm sure that's dry weight.
I believe The Pitster is all chromoly. Light weight but very strong metal. . 215 is pretty light considering it to be a 4 stroke,. JMO
Three-foot
02-18-2010, 07:51 PM
Me again, have not been able to figure out how to get our video on the web. For some reason my camera will not download to my computer.
But I do have some more information. After a number of days of failed jetting runs I finally ended up on the dyno last week. Come to find out you can't jet a four stroke as you would a two stroke. After dropping a number of mains and dropping the needle we finally found our sweet spot. At the end of the day we came up with 11.7 Hp to the rear wheels. We are still a bit fat in the mid, but we are waiting for a different needle so we can dail that in even better. The only items we have changed over stock is the gearing and we switched to a high gear set clutch basket. the stock basket is a very low, short shifter basket. The new higher gear basket is a much better for shifting both up and down.
Hopefully I can get our video posted.
T@AFP
02-19-2010, 08:05 AM
three footer....please check your pm
Tom
Ride1Rob
02-19-2010, 08:13 PM
Nice info... 11.7hp is low for the 150 though. Hopefully you can dial it in and get better results.
airmobile101
02-19-2010, 09:08 PM
Not to cause a stink or anything. Here are a few pics with a Pitster 125cc running in our XC series. They call that class the Peewee Pro class 90cc-125cc production and what ever the 2-strokes limits are. There is a Cobra and a few TRX125'S in there. I'm not too impressed by it to be honest,but I do know this bike is pretty much stock and it can hold its own. But, that Cobra is one bad MOFO!
http://www.shutterfly.com/progal/album.jsp?aid=768a5498cf3f70fba5d9
Three-foot
02-20-2010, 10:59 AM
I know there has been talk about the size of the FXR compaired to other minis. Here are a couple pictures of a 125 FXR next to a DRR. And the 11.7 Hp dyno is from a 125cc not their 150. I believe that a stock DRR 90 pulls around 7-8 Hp.
Three-foot
02-20-2010, 11:02 AM
Rear Shot of the back of both FXR & DRR
Three-foot
02-20-2010, 11:03 AM
Here's the side veiw.
Thats about the same size as our Dinli Dual.
Ride1Rob
02-20-2010, 09:51 PM
Ahhhh... FINALLY! A pic of the Pitster next to another mini. My thinking... most tracks is not gonna let it run in the mini class. It clearly is a medium sized quad with the weight of a mini.
91gtig60
02-20-2010, 11:11 PM
looks like the same dimensions, just more ground clearance and higher seat height. rob , not too much difference than some of the bad *** trx90's we have raced against with 400ex front ends and axles. none the less i sold the typhoon and got a good deal on one of these from gary at pitster. should be here next week. we will be running it in the mini class and in super mini next year. no problems with the tracks here in the midwest accepting it as a mini
Ride1Rob
02-21-2010, 07:57 AM
Sweet! Post some vids when you get the chance and let me know how it pans out for you guys. Let me know how you like it as opposed to the Typhoon. I can see Jam on one of these but our bike is really dialed in and I don't see me ditching what we have to go to the Pister now. This Xtreme is working out very good for us and Jam is riding as good as he ever has on it since I made some suspension and tire changes. Got a 1st and a 4th overall last night racing against Modified and Stk appearing bikes out of 13 on the gate. These were against kids he has never beat before or was ever able to stay with. It's awesome to see ALL the kids get out there and battle and then play together afterwards.
91gtig60
02-21-2010, 08:43 AM
yea i just got a new camcorder and one of my daughters is going to be in charge of vids this season so i will post some for sure. we won sx in our area and 3rd in mx due to a broken collar bone on our dialed in typhoon. but i think this machine is going to be way better with its suspension. we have elka's being custom made for it and i'm going to do the 4v head. we ran a tweaked gpx 140 in the typhoon and wheelie off the line several times and spanked several cobras drr and apex's. so it should be interesting
jetta75
02-21-2010, 03:21 PM
They aren't much bigger than an trx or an outlaw. Airmobile101 was right there has been a 125 in our xc series since Oct/Nov. , but now there are 2. The cobra rider switched to a pister.
m. smiley
02-21-2010, 05:56 PM
Does anyone know if there is any type of auto clutch setup for the Pitster 125 ? My son is just not ready for a manual clutch yet.
hwf-racing
02-21-2010, 07:09 PM
Can the Rekluse work in these Pitsters?
Ride1Rob
02-22-2010, 09:51 AM
I don't think so Derek. Could be wrong but I've never heard of it.
Three-foot
02-22-2010, 11:10 AM
I just received an e-mail from Gary at Pitster and one of the items he spoke of was a Rekluse type clutch for the Pitster. So it might be on the way!
The 125 FXR also comes in a semi-auto type trans. Just gas and go and shift like any stock Honda 90
Ride1Rob
02-22-2010, 02:26 PM
That'll be nice... Hopefully it doesn't add all the weight like the Typhoons stock motor and snap :ermm: . The knock on the Semi auto setup and why they won't run with the 2 strokes is because of all the weight on the cranks. Takes a year and a day to spool up :( .
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