The CVT world is under attack...WHY? Your thoughts...

[LT80]

As far as the 12-15 girls ruling:::From the rule announcement:::: "Furthermore, as there are other classes available for Girls (12-15) to compete on CVTs, they will not be excluded from competition."
After reading that, what's the big deal? They can race in other classes.
Am I wrong in thinking that girls can (and should) race and compete with the boys?

I agree their perseption of rules, who to ask (dictate), and when to change is just plain wrong!!!

I think it should be MANDATORY that we all are rich and have money and time to waste on this sport.

[bone1980]

I haven't done any nat.races yet but im yet to see a kid over 12 on a cvt. this is going to be my son third year on a cvt he's 9 next year we'll be shifting.going back to what I said before if your kid is a late starter and at a older age the CVT is the only thing that's going to help them SAFELY to develop racing skills.

[ontargetracing]

well good thing I just bought a new 90cc cvt motor for this year.. complete bs...! and complete opposite of how things are here on the west coast. WORCS has done the same thing but with 90cc shifters.. they only allow them in the 250 classes... I am not sure where these organizations get the ideas but I would sure like to have a talk with them.. I remember when the apex mxr 85 and cobra rmc were the bikes to have in the production classes now everyone on a shifter is scared of a cvt.. Have a production and a mod class and run what you brung..! its not nascar and we don't need parity of manufactures... hell, drr and apex are the only ones who make a competitive production cvt and there are a few core company’s who support those classes only.. and now we just say F them...! great idea guys

[wickpan]

well said.It is funny that boys & girls can race then till there 15years old but just girls have to start shifting at 12yrs old.In the same boat,new quad and new motor
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[jay-r]

We have run the nationals for 2 years and the only thing that is consistent is crazy rule changes. Spend big $$ to build a competitive engine for one season and the next season a rule change right before season will make it worthless. I am so happy to be out of the quad world and onto bikes. FYI, girls 9 to 13 national class on bikes can only run 85cc shifters. If my 9 year old daughter can do it, I think 14 year old boys will be fine shifting quads. Lol. One big problem is that there is no such thing as a production race quad. Everyone is building race quads around classes, not classes around race quads. Totally backwards.

[stevo7706]

Rule changes always make some upset, but if it's true that the changes are an assault on CVTs, then so be it. IMHO,CVTs don't belong on a motocross track (beside the little ones). Shifting is a skill that's an integral part of the racing experience. Why would you NOT want to shift?

[asadad00]

Frankly I'm glad my 10 year old doesn't have to think about shifting while he is trying to clear a 50" double that time will come soon enough, for me its about safety first and I like cvt's I can rebuild it myself with no special tools in about an hour. Four stroke shifters are the way of the future but not glad about it, I theink ontargetracing is on it the shifters are scared of the performance of those little cvt's. We have a shifter quad and its not as reliable as our 2fast ends up costing more in the long run.

[rageatvsupermom]

First I want to say I mean no disrespect to anyone because we all have the rights to our opinions. With that being said I have a few opinions of my own.
From my views these past few years, the CVT's seems to be the quad that is pulled off the track the most with mechanical problems. This year was a wet year and guess who did the most complaining when it was wet...the CVT parents. It seems to me they can't race in all conditions so why would you want to continue to race something that can't handle
what mother nature throws at us? So my question is for all the CVT classes would it have been acceptable to just pull a name out of the hat for the National Champion in each of the classes?

I do not understand the logic that you have to spend 20,000 dollars on a quad to be competitive...do people do it...yes but that does not make the rider better. Some racers are just more talented regardless what they ride. Here locally there is more complaints and lost riders because of the cost and time to maintain a cvt. Yes there are the few who get lucky but there are very few of them. The argument that the cvt can be built up slowly makes no sense to me, you can build any quad up slowly for your budget. Why would anyone want to keep a kid on a cvt when the adult classes are all shifter's. I guess you could put a cvt in a bike and race it in the c class but why would you want to unless you were physically unable to shift/or use a clutch. The whole safety issue makes no sense...if you think racing a cvt is safe then I guess I need someone to break that down for me. Racing is not safe regardless of what you race so accept that now and save yourself the heartache.

I think that many who are in the position of having a say in the rule making are biased....they have a financial stake in racing so instead of what is best for the sport it is what
is best for their business. We are loosing options in what quads are manufactured and are considered production. We are left piecing together stuff that was not intended for the purpose it is used.

I honestly don't know the answer but as a parent I would want my kid off of a quad platform they can't grow up with and carry on into adult hood. To me that makes no sense.

[ontargetracing]

If a cvt breaks or can't handle the rain then so be it. Its my choice.. and SHOULD be my choice. I will build whatever I think is the most competitive bike for the class that we run and that my limited budget allows. NO ONE should be telling me my daughter can’t run a cvt bike in the girls class... but the boys still can.. I don’t think they should limit the variety quads that can race in a class. They all have their strong points and weak points. Heck, I saw a nearly stock raptor 125 do really well in the girls class at lorettas just because of the rain. If they made a cvt 450 would it be banned from the 450 class? Or would they have 450 shifter.. DRR's and APEX's are a production quad (well apex was). Why did the girls class change last year to 90 mod? because thats what a girl or two wanted.. not the ATVA.. Why did they make the last minute change to shifter only this year???? hmmmmm how much pull does JB have? sorry, that’s my conspiracy theory.. either way, I think its a class structure issue.. 90 mod should be just that a 90cc quad that is modified cvt, shifter, single speed, auto clutch whatever.. and constant class/rule changes is the stupidest thing I have seen.. lets limit the kids who can race some more... great way to grow the sport..!

[greenmachine70]

Rage Mom nailed it! Everything I wanted to say but not enough time to write it...lol
I will say this, when my son moved to a shifter I actually got to enjoy other races that day with him, instead of wrenching on the cvt, belts, springs, rollers, variators, gears, frames.....need I go on. ALso when the season was nearing the end and we were close to a championship in points, I was on my knees praying every lap it would make it through to the checkers not because I had a crappy engine but because we all know they just dont last long at WOT turning the knobby tires, these motors were meant to turn a 12" scooter street tire and only one not 2. Those little quads are not actually made to do what we do. The bad part in all of it is the big companies dont support the kids racing on quads at all. So its CVT also high dollar to race nat level or a high dollar custom mini JB, Fisher etc. or you need to be a fabricator or pay one to make a raptor into a mod with a bike motor but then you get beat by all the high dollar lightweight chromoly framed mods. Its a vicious cycle. When we raced minis they didnt have 2fast kits. I know these new kits are more reliable but still not reliable enough imho