I put these on once, I bought brand new from quadtrix6 and he had the tags on them, knowing me, I ripped the tags off when i got em, but I just really dont have a need for these, give some offers, here is a pic of them when i bought them from quadtrix6, they have only been on me once and have been in the closet since, i paid 65$ I think, they are 34 waist....very strong Answer team2 riding pants
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