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Thread: Steering and Handling Discussion.

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    pic with bike sag
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    Ok a couple things... your front end pushing was caused mainly from the epics being +1 forward. I've found that the 450R's at least the 04/05 models do not need +1 forward, IMO! They push way too much in the corners, much like you are experiencing. However you have more problems. Your shocks are not setup properly for you. Where did you get them? Used? What were they setup for? they are obviously not set up correctly for YOU, they may have been correct for the previous owner, or a different setup for you. Using larger tires tells me that they may have already been setup for a larger tire, ie. an XC or trail rider. The reason you could soften the preload up on the shocks with the laegers is strictly because of less leverage offered by a shorter arm, and nothing more. It sounds like you should have your shocks checked out to make sure they are set up correctly for you and your bike. You might have to give the shock builder some measurements to get them setup correctly, but no big deal. Good luck and let me know if you need any more info, I'll try to answer as much as I can.
    M-Dub

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    05 KLX110 - some stuff
    01 ZR600 - bone stock
    1992 LT80 - pitquad I guess?

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    Great thread! Very helpfull! How about some info on rear setup?
    like shock wise?

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    Originally posted by Dupontster
    Great thread! Very helpfull! How about some info on rear setup?
    like shock wise?
    Sure I'll try my best, what exactly do you want explained? Just the physics of how everything works, or more of a shock tuning deal?
    M-Dub

    Quadless as of now
    05 KLX110 - some stuff
    01 ZR600 - bone stock
    1992 LT80 - pitquad I guess?

    So far the people that have SCREWED me on here:
    powerband
    and yamablaster24 more yamablaster24


    Remember every time you run wheel spacers or flipped rims... god kills a kitten

    "The best you have ridden is the best you know" Paul Thede- RaceTech

    Ignorance is NOT bliss -- it's embarrassing and counter-productive

    Experience is a tough teacher she gives the test first the lesson afterwards


    RIP 606

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    More of shock tuning like.

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    and how about how steering stabilizers work after the rear topic. like how they work. and the differences between sticktype stabilizers and the other stabilizers. that would be great. good read by the way
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    Originally posted by Dupontster
    More of shock tuning like.

    Shock tuning is more of an art than a science. Anytime I am asked how to setup a shock, I really cant give you an answer to that. There are so many variables to this question. Terrain, riding style, suspension components, suspension design, tire size, rider weight, all these things play a role.... I'll post my favorite link on suspension setups, from Laz at GT Thunder...

    http://www.gtthunder.com/SuspensionHome.htm

    Its short, simple and to the point, and broken down enough for all of us to understand. Hopefully that steers you in the right direction. Once you get your proper sag, then go out and ride it and make some changes, see what you like and what you dont like. You need to experiment by riding. Get some seat time on and you will see what works and what doesn't work. Take trx250r180 for example, he went to a narrower setup and has faster lap times now... Sorry I couldn't help more with that question but there is no one single answer for you. If you try some setups out and are having problems tryign to get it dialed in right, we may be able to point you in a certain direction though. Good luck with your setup!
    M-Dub

    Quadless as of now
    05 KLX110 - some stuff
    01 ZR600 - bone stock
    1992 LT80 - pitquad I guess?

    So far the people that have SCREWED me on here:
    powerband
    and yamablaster24 more yamablaster24


    Remember every time you run wheel spacers or flipped rims... god kills a kitten

    "The best you have ridden is the best you know" Paul Thede- RaceTech

    Ignorance is NOT bliss -- it's embarrassing and counter-productive

    Experience is a tough teacher she gives the test first the lesson afterwards


    RIP 606

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    Gotcha. Its more of just playing with it to get it right for you

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    Originally posted by Dupontster
    Gotcha. Its more of just playing with it to get it right for you
    Yes, once you have shocks built correctly for you and your specs (weight, riding style, suspension components like swinger/arms, tire sizes) then you can fine tune, and that comes down to what you like and how the ride of the quad matches your style.
    M-Dub

    Quadless as of now
    05 KLX110 - some stuff
    01 ZR600 - bone stock
    1992 LT80 - pitquad I guess?

    So far the people that have SCREWED me on here:
    powerband
    and yamablaster24 more yamablaster24


    Remember every time you run wheel spacers or flipped rims... god kills a kitten

    "The best you have ridden is the best you know" Paul Thede- RaceTech

    Ignorance is NOT bliss -- it's embarrassing and counter-productive

    Experience is a tough teacher she gives the test first the lesson afterwards


    RIP 606

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