Ken Robey, what happen at Texas

[Karizz]

Can you please clarify? Aftermarket tierods are legal or illegal for the stock class??

Thanks in advance!!

Originally posted by Admin
The word is in from Racer Productions

"Okay Harlen, we ironed it all out, with some input from some people at the
Indy tradeshow. Here it is: tie-rods will remain legal for 2005. A-arms
cannot be changed. Handlebar changes and Tire Balls remain legal.

That's the short of it. Like you said, we can't make rule changes mid year.

As always, if someone who races in the class thinks these are bad rules, let
us know. We're just trying to be fair. But, even if it's a good suggestion,
rule changes will probably have to wait until 2006.

-jason
"

[Admin]

Originally posted by xtremedad
I can't beleive their decision. If you are the promoter or the governing body, You can change what-ever the heck you want. I understand trying to be consistant. But we're not talking about an engine mod here.
If I were you Ken, I would let the issue settle for a bit. Then change the darn things. I don't think all the Einsteins will be able to identify if they're after market or not any how. JMHO

Later......

I think you misunderstood the decision. They are going to ALLOW AFTERMARKET TIE-RODS as a OEM replacement part for 2005, but the rule may change for 2006.

[Admin]

Originally posted by Karizz
Can you please clarify? Aftermarket tierods are legal or illegal for the stock class??

Thanks in advance!!

I don't understand the confusion

The rules will remain unchanged and riders in the STOCK CLASS can CHANGE TIE-RODS, INSTALL TIREBALLS, AND USE AFTERMARKET HANDLE BARS INCLUDING FASST CO FLEXX BARS.

The rules will be reviewed again at the end of the season, and these items may not be legal for 2006 if they decide to make a rule change before the start of the season.

[Admin]

Originally posted by GE4x4
I don't remember tire balls as a rule. People just use them and GNCC is letting them use them. Also only one race is done, so how is this being the middle of the season. They did it last year with the oversize gas tanks. Maybe it's because those who are useing tire balls in stock class have a lot of pull in this discision. Politics at it's best, the small guy getting stomped while the rich keep getting what they want.

The tank rule change last season after the series already started was a poor decision by Racer Production, and they didn't want a repeat the same mistake this year.

As far as politics, give me a break. If you are trying to point a finger toward me or any other Stock Class rider with Tireballs try again.

I don't have time to argue the whole tireball issue, but in the end after full season it is more expensive for a rider to run without tireballs than with tireballs. Anybody that travels to atleast 9 races and competes in the series for points is far from Poor, so don't give me the Rich vs Poor.

How about a guy running a 2001 400EX in the stock class against the TRX450R or YFZ450? Is the 450 riders bad guys because they bought new machines that are more competitive?

The whole money issue is totally overblown because National racing takes money regardless of which class you run. If you think that you can't afford to race Nationals, race locally because at the end of the race it really comes down to the rider and not the goodies installed on the machine the majority of the time.

I raced a stock LTZ400 in the WORCS race in Arizona a few weeks ago that I borrowed right before the race to compete in the A Class against fully worked 20K Plus machines with big bore 450Rs and full axis shocks and roll a-arms along with many 250R and YFZ machines. I started almost dead last because of stock engine and exhaust and I still was able to pass everyone and take the win without ever practicing the track,and I didn't have Tireballs.

Again, the rider makes the biggest difference, and if you can't compete, stop whining and start training, or stay home.

[xtremedad]

Cool, I misunderstood the conclusion of their reply. I do agree on the skill thing Or a good set of bags(I mean tire BALLS).

[GE4x4]

If it is rider and not the goodies on the quad, then why use them? The object of stock class is to keep them as close to stock as possible without any performance advantage. If you think tire balls don't give you advantage over those without them, you are in another world. Tell Yokely they don't give a advantage. Without his tireballs he would of pitted and most likely lost his podium. But for 2 laps on a partial flat the tire balls kept it high enough where he could still finish without pitting. Also there any many who race the whole season who barly scrape up enough money to have a quad and make it to 9 or more races. If money wasn't a issue, then everyone would have them, not just a few. I'm sure if you asked everyone in stock class if they would like tire balls they would all say yes, yet most would say they would if they could afford them. I bring 2 spares with me. one front and one rear about $400 worth. Most of that cost is the rim. A new tire is about $70 wether it has tire balls or not. If you get a gash in your tire with tire balls, are you going to race that tire again at the next race? So either way a new tire is needed. So the cost of spare's should be still close to equal with or with-out tire balls.

[Admin]

Originally posted by GE4x4
If it is rider and not the goodies on the quad, then why use them? The object of stock class is to keep them as close to stock as possible without any performance advantage. If you think tire balls don't give you advantage over those without them, you are in another world. Tell Yokely they don't give a advantage. Without his tireballs he would of pitted and most likely lost his podium. But for 2 laps on a partial flat the tire balls kept it high enough where he could still finish without pitting. Also there any many who race the whole season who barly scrape up enough money to have a quad and make it to 9 or more races. If money wasn't a issue, then everyone would have them, not just a few. I'm sure if you asked everyone in stock class if they would like tire balls they would all say yes, yet most would say they would if they could afford them. I bring 2 spares with me. one front and one rear about $400 worth. Most of that cost is the rim. A new tire is about $70 wether it has tire balls or not. If you get a gash in your tire with tire balls, are you going to race that tire again at the next race? So either way a new tire is needed. So the cost of spare's should be still close to equal with or with-out tire balls.

I will not go on and on with this discussion, but I will atleast give a quick response to your questions.

If it is rider and not the goodies on the quad, then why use them?
I use what ever the rules allow me to use, and ofcourse each little thing will improve the lap times or help prevent the risk of a DNF, but the rider plays a bigger part in the results of the race. Borich raced a bone stock Suzuki in the District 6 A Class and passed everyone and one almost every race in the machine two years ago. My machine was fully modified and I couldn't keep up with him.

If you get a gash in your tire with tire balls, are you going to race that tire again at the next race?

YES, I run the tires with the holes in them, so I don't have to purchase new tires, which is part of the cost savings. Both my rear tires have holes in them, and I will most likely have them on at Florida unless I switch to a different style rear tire for the conditions.

[GE4x4]

I agree with you, that if the rules say you can use them and you have the means, then use them. Your not breaking the rules. But when the rules say no performance gains and yet they think tires balls is not a performance gain, that's what get's me puzzled. Even Tire Balls web site promotes that with tire balls it gives a huge advantage then with those who don't. I'll see you in Florida.

[Admin]

Originally posted by GE4x4
I agree with you, that if the rules say you can use them and you have the means, then use them. Your not breaking the rules. But when the rules say no performance gains and yet they think tires balls is not a performance gain, that's what get's me puzzled. Even Tire Balls web site promotes that with tire balls it gives a huge advantage then with those who don't. I'll see you in Florida.

No hard feelings and see you in less than two weeks.

[MEL]

straight from gnccs web site


GNCC NEWS
GNCC ATV Four-Stroke Stock Class: Playing by the Rules
The ATV four-stroke stock class has become one of the premier classes in our series - and it's also one of the most competitive.

So to make sure the heated competition for wins doesn't override the rules (which is critical in this class), here are some clarifications:

Aftermarket tie-rods are legal in the class for 2005

Aftermarket A-arms are not legal in the class for 2005

Tire Balls are legal in the class for 2005

Flex Barr handlebar systems are legal in the class for 2005

As always, we're willing to take feedback on our rule system, and we're clarifying these rules based on the feedback we have gotten from the racers. We do our best to avoid making rule changes mid-season, so any changes to this class structure will have to be made for the 2006 GNCC season.

In addition, beginning at our next race in Florida, we will take the top-three finishers in the Four-Stroke Stock Class and inspect their ATVs immediately after the race. We will inspect four components on the top three machines to make sure they're in compliance with our rule structure. We will not announce the four components we will check until we are checking them. So make sure you're in compliance with our rule structure (posted below).

The Four-Stroke Stock class is all about having a level playing field - please help us keep it that way so the racing will remain fair for everyone.

Thanks,

-GNCC Racing

GNCC Stock ATV Rule Structure
Stock (ATV) - May change front shocks, tires, wheels, throttle assembly, axle, handlebars, grips, skid plates, plastics and seat covers, including those that add traction, but may not change seat height. May add bead locks, nerf bars, foot peg extensions, and open or closed end, metal or plastic hand guards. May not add steering stabilizers or air filter sleeves. May not add front shock reservoirs, or modify or remove front shock reservoirs from machines that come equipped with them. Riders may change front shocks on ATVs that do not come with rebuildable stock front shocks, but they may not replace the front shocks on ATVs that do come with rebuildable units stock (like the YFZ450). Only machines that come equipped with front reservoirs stock may run them. All motor components and rear suspension must remain stock. Aftermarket replacement parts may be used so long as they do not improve motor performance, add travel to the suspension, or have a reservoir. Example: must have stock pipe, silencer, carburetor, air box, air cleaner, rear shocks, etc....



not sure if their going to do the same in the ute stock, but something to think about.