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Thread: 8 Plate Clutch Issue - HELP!

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    Exclamation 8 Plate Clutch Issue - HELP!

    Hey guys,

    I recently installed a GT Thunder 8 plate setup (same as the Sparks unit) and I also got the machined back plate and PE billet basket (same as a Hinson). First off, it works. It puts more power to the ground for sure. My issue is that even with the cable adjusted all the way out, it still wants to inch forward when in gear and the lever all the way pulled in. I even bought and installed a new factory Honda clutch cable and still have the same issue. On the clutch cover side, I have it adjusted beyond the factory adjustment in that I have the nut on the left (closest to the clutch arm) on the small second set of threads just before it comes off. I have the lever side adjusted almost all the way out as well.

    Could it be that I have the clutch springs cranked down too hard? I did not have a service manual so I did not know how far to crank them down (I do have a torque wrench if somebody can tell me how many ft pounds to crank them). I just cranked them until they stopped (hit the end of the thread on the back plate) but did not try to over tighten them beyond that.

    It's at the point where it will almost sit still, but wants to barely inch forward. I cannot put it into neutral while running, I actually have to shut it off to get it into neutral. Help!
    Ross 416 Kit 11.2:1 piston
    Hot Cams Stage II Cam
    Ported Head & Valve Job
    GT Thunder 8 Plate Clutch+PE Billet Basket
    GT Thunder CDI
    Sparks X-6 Full Exhaust
    40mm FCR Carb
    FST-Type Aux Oil Cooler
    EHS Racing Airbox Lid
    Clarke 5.5 Gal Fuel Tank
    ITP T9 - Baja Rims and XCT Tires
    DeRisi Triple Rate Shocks w Rezzies
    DeRisi Revalved Rear Shock
    PRM and AC Skids
    PEP Steering Dampner
    Trailtech X-Bars and Clamp
    RTC Levers
    AC Propegs
    Pro Design Billet Shifter & Feather Carbon Brake Pedal

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    chk pm
    '01 416 w/some stuff
    '01 Kasea 90
    '04 Kasea 50
    '94 LT80 (for sale)

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    Thanks for the pm Fole, but tried that already. Anyone have the torque specs for the clutch spring bolts? Maybe I have them too tight...
    Ross 416 Kit 11.2:1 piston
    Hot Cams Stage II Cam
    Ported Head & Valve Job
    GT Thunder 8 Plate Clutch+PE Billet Basket
    GT Thunder CDI
    Sparks X-6 Full Exhaust
    40mm FCR Carb
    FST-Type Aux Oil Cooler
    EHS Racing Airbox Lid
    Clarke 5.5 Gal Fuel Tank
    ITP T9 - Baja Rims and XCT Tires
    DeRisi Triple Rate Shocks w Rezzies
    DeRisi Revalved Rear Shock
    PRM and AC Skids
    PEP Steering Dampner
    Trailtech X-Bars and Clamp
    RTC Levers
    AC Propegs
    Pro Design Billet Shifter & Feather Carbon Brake Pedal

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    Did you have your inner hub machined? If not that could be your problem.

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    Yes, I have to GT Thunder machined unit. I'm thinking that I have the springs too tight.
    Ross 416 Kit 11.2:1 piston
    Hot Cams Stage II Cam
    Ported Head & Valve Job
    GT Thunder 8 Plate Clutch+PE Billet Basket
    GT Thunder CDI
    Sparks X-6 Full Exhaust
    40mm FCR Carb
    FST-Type Aux Oil Cooler
    EHS Racing Airbox Lid
    Clarke 5.5 Gal Fuel Tank
    ITP T9 - Baja Rims and XCT Tires
    DeRisi Triple Rate Shocks w Rezzies
    DeRisi Revalved Rear Shock
    PRM and AC Skids
    PEP Steering Dampner
    Trailtech X-Bars and Clamp
    RTC Levers
    AC Propegs
    Pro Design Billet Shifter & Feather Carbon Brake Pedal

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    Torque settings

    Honda Service Manual calls for 7 ft lbs.
    '01 416 w/some stuff
    '01 Kasea 90
    '04 Kasea 50
    '94 LT80 (for sale)

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    I dont believe there is a torque setting for the clutch spring bolts but I was having the exact same problem with my sparks kit with new Hinson basket but the pressure plate was left alone. I am using the RTC clutch lever. I had it set up for the easiest pull in which once you see how it works you realize there's not as much throw or clutch pull since the easy hole is closer to the pivot point. Mine still does it a little bit even after changing it. Just so you know alot of shops have told me they dont reccomend using a synthetic oil at all but I personally have tried both and didnt notice any difference. Good luck!

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    Yeah, I have the RTC also. Maybe that's the issue (the lever vs the spring bolts). I have the lever in "pro" mode, meaning the easiest. So putting it in the other setting seemed to help a little Terko?? That's what I'm getting from your post. Thanks!
    Ross 416 Kit 11.2:1 piston
    Hot Cams Stage II Cam
    Ported Head & Valve Job
    GT Thunder 8 Plate Clutch+PE Billet Basket
    GT Thunder CDI
    Sparks X-6 Full Exhaust
    40mm FCR Carb
    FST-Type Aux Oil Cooler
    EHS Racing Airbox Lid
    Clarke 5.5 Gal Fuel Tank
    ITP T9 - Baja Rims and XCT Tires
    DeRisi Triple Rate Shocks w Rezzies
    DeRisi Revalved Rear Shock
    PRM and AC Skids
    PEP Steering Dampner
    Trailtech X-Bars and Clamp
    RTC Levers
    AC Propegs
    Pro Design Billet Shifter & Feather Carbon Brake Pedal

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    how do you adjust the pull with that lever?
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    yeah quadzilla it did seem to help. And I know it sucks to do that since that's the reason we bought the lever in the first place right? But I almost thought in the pro mode it was too easy or maybe just so soft it didnt feel like it was moving the clutch well. So I'm thinking with the extra friction of the 8 plate kit and the the RTC not fully disengaging the clutch is what makes it creep. Do you also have a problem getting into to neutral? I did, and like you said, I adjusted every which way with no results. So try your lever my friend. Later

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