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Originally posted by gimp419
In the current state of the economy the only way to get ATV MX racing to grow is to do the same thing the bikes have been doing for years. Have Regional and Area qualifiers. Turn the Loretta Lynn race into a 4 day event and run 3 moto formats. The travel expenses are killing the national series. Rich kids keep winning cause they can get to the races. Well not all the Rich kids win....but if you pay attention most of the kids that travel the series and win C and then B run out of money by the time they get to A class lol and just can't run the entire series.

Run qualifiers, you could take each national race and make it a qualifier so not much would have to change.

TV coverage will never come into play as long as we only have 13-15 pros on the gate. So they need to give the top 10 in pro-am production a pro license each year. Much more appealing to sponsors and helps to clear out the pro-am class from year to year.

So I guess to answer the question, my dream series would be one that is similar to what we have but has qualifiers and allow quad racers to stop having to travel the country so we can support our local series' some.

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Very good points in there. We need more pros first, as well as a larger pro purse. More guys will travel if they pay more, and further back.

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Originally posted by gimp419
In the current state of the economy the only way to get ATV MX racing to grow is to do the same thing the bikes have been doing for years. Have Regional and Area qualifiers. Turn the Loretta Lynn race into a 4 day event and run 3 moto formats. The travel expenses are killing the national series. Rich kids keep winning cause they can get to the races. Well not all the Rich kids win....but if you pay attention most of the kids that travel the series and win C and then B run out of money by the time they get to A class lol and just can't run the entire series.

Run qualifiers, you could take each national race and make it a qualifier so not much would have to change.

TV coverage will never come into play as long as we only have 13-15 pros on the gate. So they need to give the top 10 in pro-am production a pro license each year. Much more appealing to sponsors and helps to clear out the pro-am class from year to year.

So I guess to answer the question, my dream series would be one that is similar to what we have but has qualifiers and allow quad racers to stop having to travel the country so we can support our local series' some.

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Go back and look at the #’s chasing points @ MX nats Production classes between 2005-2010, 5-yrs back, you’ll see very little growth. During this era the Production “Race Ready Quad” made it’s debut (2004 to be exact) and was put into production to consolidate after market “hybrid” cost to the production line(I’d say we seen a $5,000+ cost reduction on average last 1-2 years compared to 90’s-2003), reduce it to the racer. IMO the OEM’s did their job competition helped, ATVPG and competitive series did not. The OEM realigned its business model to facility growth world wide; AMA/ATVA did not as seen in fact by the lack of growth in their series. I blame AMA(whom we pay dues to btw) since they have the experience/$ to put together a series as GIMP described, to be the industry focal, center point for such an effort. Without a healthy national/worldly production series, the race quad and series dies or has little growth as seen today by OEM’s backing out support for pro’s and funding their assembly lines/r&d, happens any business w/no market good economy or bad. I don’t buy based on results dated back to 2004 I reviewed the economy is to blame (08/09/10 bad economy is in fact a little better than 05/06/07), the current series infrastructure/series is at fault costing the racer far too much and stumping OEM investments……What good is a national champ when only ¼-1/3 of the population can afford to attend or compete.

IMO a lot has to happen to support regional qualifying and #’s to support it like bikes, further OEM cost consolidation and lean manufacturing, new product development and competition, synergy between all series preferable world wide to support a dramatic increase in funding #’s/TV rating’s/advertising at all levels.

My .02.

I think one of the things holding the ATV racing back is the fact that you can not go and buy a race ready atv from the local shop in many towns across the states. I am talking mini atvs. I know that some of the minis have come a long way but you can buy 3 CR 85s for the same price as a race mini. You all know what a mod cost, sometimes up to 15 to 20 thousand. That is why I think more people go to the bike side because of the price of the atvs compared to a 65 or 85 race bike. Just think if you could go to the Honda store (I hate Honda) and buy a 4500 dollar race mini that you could have faith in and compete with things would be different in atv racing because of more people involved. That is where it starts is in the youth programs. Back to the topic I do think the WPSA was on the right track to improve atv racing. So that is what I would say needs to be looked into is what the WPSA was trying to do. Different markets like Oklahoma, North east, 4X4's SxS's etc. Maybe combine a event with the MUD Nats in some way. Have you ever seen the photos of that kind of event. There a people as far as your eye can see.

Ok here is my thought:

We basically have 4 series running. (My appologies to Dirt Track and Super Moto guys)

East Coast we have AMA GNC and GNCC

West Coast we have WORCS and Quadcross

So let's get these four groups together and create one "World Finals" type of event someplace in the middle of the country that can accomodate both MX and an Enduro type of event.. It would be a week long and incorporate both styles of racing.

2 full days of MX and 2 full days of Endurance racing. We have qualifiers at each series with the top 5 in each class qualifying to attend. Potentially even having spots available for overseas participants as well. Combine all results for an overall world champion title.

Everyone can focus all of their energy and promotional powers on this one single event. TV coverage, Race Teams, branding etc..
Maximum Bang for their buck!!

That would be the best way to gain exposure and get the ball rolling. Once this one event is successful then we can start looking into stadiums and all the big dream ideas.

I do think class structures need to be relooked at as well to make it more affordable in general ..but racing is expensive no matter how you cut it.

What about that $100,000 quad race that was supposed to happen a few years back? Just holding one big race, attracting guys from all disciplines and televising it would be great! Maybe have an mx class, then a quad terrain class like the WPSA to accommodate both the xc and mx guys.

This is what i think, we need to do just like the bikes and have an east west and maby north thing that have the top riders compete at one track at the end, just like the bikes. We also need to have qualifiers in diff parts of the u.s some north some south and some west. I think this would be the best way to do it people dont have to travel as far,

I don't know about a series. I just don't see the economy supporting it right now.

I tell you what my dream race would be.

Three day Triathalon. Riders compete on one machine for all three events. Minimal set-up changes allowed. Tires, gearing, shock settings (but not shocks) etc.

First day is TT racing.

Second day is MX racing.

Third day is XC racing.

This would be a true racers race. The combo's would be interesting to say the least.

Lastly, I would have classes for all types of ATV's. Starting from the beginning of our sport. Classes for 3 wheelers, 2 stroke quads, Hybrids, Production Quads and UTVs.

One HUGE mecca of woodstock proportions. All the aftermarket companies set-up, evening entertainment, big BBQ, the works!

Now that would be a race to enjoy!

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Originally posted by Derrick Adams
I don't know about a series. I just don't see the economy supporting it right now.

I tell you what my dream race would be.

Three day Triathalon. Riders compete on one machine for all three events. Minimal set-up changes allowed. Tires, gearing, shock settings (but not shocks) etc.

First day is TT racing.

Second day is MX racing.

Third day is XC racing.

This would be a true racers race. The combo's would be interesting to say the least.

Lastly, I would have classes for all types of ATV's. Starting from the beginning of our sport. Classes for 3 wheelers, 2 stroke quads, Hybrids, Production Quads and UTVs.

One HUGE mecca of woodstock proportions. All the aftermarket companies set-up, evening entertainment, big BBQ, the works!

Now that would be a race to enjoy!

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They used to do this it was the atv olympics. And I think it would be a blast.

One of the main problems now days is the bike itself. The 450 is its own worse enemy. They cost a ton to rebuild and seem to break parts very easily, which in turn takes money away from racers so they cannot afford to race. I think if the manufactures were able to release a production 2-stroke bike it would help out a ton as far as cost is concerned. But thats off the subject.

I agree though there needs to be qualifying races as stated above.

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Originally posted by QuadR8cer12
The WPSA was a great step for quad racing and was taking the sport in the right direction. There where alot of new sponsors that stepped into the series and alot of fans that showed up at the races.

1. TV Coverage - with it comes the sponsors the sport needs and more exposure to fans and future racers

2. New ways to get amateurs involved with the nationals.

3. More Contingency for Am's

4. I would love to do FMX demo's at races. Maybe it could help bring in more spectators. If not FMX, something else needs to be done at the races to bring in more fans. Concerts, activities, factory dealer demos, something....

5. A supercross series would be great, but filling a stadium to watch quad races would be hard at this point in the sport. When ATV motocross gets the exposure and coverage it needs then it could move to a stadium series on it own. Until that happens if any stadium series where to form it would prolly have to be with something else that draws a huge crowd like monster trucks unfortunately. There is no way the quads could go on the SX tracks the bikes do. Only way you could utilize the SX stuff would maybe try to schedule a few rounds to alter the tracks after the bikes race and have a race the next day or weekend.

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Well more fans go watch supercross races then nationals for the bikes so it would be the same for the quads. National tracks are usually far away and sitting all day in the sun to watch races isnt what spectators call fun. Supercross races are held in big cities and is all glittered up so everyone enjoys it. They have hot monster enrgy girls running around, fire works to hypen things up, an anouncer with an overly excited voice and all that other jazz. Quads could capitalize on this if we can get in with the bikes. Ive never been to a supercross race but I imagine the racing is pretty short only being two main events so letting quads race would only add another 30 minutes to the event and more racing for the fans to watch. If it turns out to be a big hit our pros will finally start making money and sponsors will even be putting money into our sport. I just dont know if quads can ride supercross tracks. I think it could work, but then again Im pretty optomistic. Obviously gearing and suspension changes would have to be done but I think it is definatley something ama should consider just to help our sport.

If the manufacture's were all involved, they could combine the bike nationals with the quads. That way they could combine machines and equipment in their haulers and such. Then we could 'scoop up' on the advertisers and publicity. current mx schedule runs only saturdays. We could practice friday and race after the two bike classes, thus eliminating ruining the bikes lines and ruts.

also the problem with running stock or near stock machines is they will not attract as many spectators. simply because the laps will not be quite as fast, or should i say not catch as much air. idk.

and forget about getting the man's to build a strung out lites bike. They don't put much into the current machines as it is. imho. that will just cost everybody top to bottom more money. JUST like a hybrid will.