FST 440 kit

[RideRed400EX]

Does anyone have the 440 from four stroke tech. I've decided to go big bore and the 416 won't cut it. My big concerns are price, power, and reliability (duh).

[Scott]

Why not buy Chadexer's 416 kit for $200 and bolt it on? It's only 2 weeks old. The guys with the 440's (like I've said many times, I'm about 90% sure the 440 is only a 432cc anyway) will tell you that the 416s run right with the 440s. And the 416 owners say they outrun the 440s. And you wouldn't have to worry about the reliability issue.

Just a thought.

[RideRed400EX]

I haven't ridden the 440 but I can't understand how a 416 will run away from it. Everyone on the site raves about the 416 but I figure more CC's more power = more fun.

[Scott]

Most of the time, yeah. But there's always a limit. Otherwise, NHRA would be running 1000CI engines. But they don't, they run 500CI engines. And those 500CI engines are faster and quicker than the 600 and 700+CI engines the IHRA runs.

Plus for $200 for everything, I'd jump on it. Only problem for me is that it won't bolt up to my 300ex, and I doubt the wife's going to let me get a 400ex just so I can buy those parts!:D

[RideRed400EX]

I see your point. Well I can't say my mind is made up but this will definately help.

Why don't you get a 330 kit for your bike? I had a Powroll 330 in my old bike and it made a BIG difference

[Scott]

I'd LOVE to put a 330 kit in mine... <drool> But I made a deal with the wife that I wouldn't put the money into it until the factory engine blew up. So that could be a LONG time considering it's a 2000 model, and a Honda...

With a 330, I'd want a +2 swingarm to help keep the front end down. A guy I ride with has one. Night and day difference! It will run with stock 400s with no problem.

[RideRed400EX]

That's a tough place to be... I can think of one way to get around the blown engine problem but you've probably thought about that.

[Scott]

:D :devil

[ChadEXer]

Hey RideRed400EX. I will tell ya. With the 416 I got, I beat a coouple of 440s and a 426 last weekend at the races. Im telling you you should get the 416. Theres not that much of a difference between a 440 and a 416 at all. Maybe it was the rider that got the edge but a 416 is probably a little more reliable and I can guarantee you it will make you happy. My mechanic thats taking my motor out of my bike said he wasnt going to take it apart and take the 416 piston and XR cam out of it that i would just have to wait until I get it back from the engine builder but Im thinking about going ahead and having him take it out so I can sale it. You will be happy with a 416.

[MIKE400EX]

Not wanting to argue, but NHRA limits the ProStock engine size to 500CI, they would be bigger if allowed. Also, the cars appear the same but are quite different under the skin.

[Scott]

Mike: And like I said, the NHRA prostock, TA funny car, TA dragster, TF/FC, and TF dragster are faster with 500CI Keith Black, TFX, or Merlin hemi-based blocks than the monster cube IHRA motors. Period.

Outlaw street isn't limited to any CI size, and you don't see them trying 1000CI motors.

Diesel engines quit trying unlimited displacement a long time ago.

There is a point where strength becomes an issue and can no longer keep up with the increased displacement. That's all I was getting at. You can take a 416cc 400ex and keep up with or beat a lot of the 440cc 400ex's.

[ChadEXer]

Originally posted by Scott
Mike: And like I said, the NHRA prostock, TA funny car, TA dragster, TF/FC, and TF dragster are faster with 500CI Keith Black, TFX, or Merlin hemi-based blocks than the monster cube IHRA motors. Period.

Outlaw street isn't limited to any CI size, and you don't see them trying 1000CI motors.

Diesel engines quit trying unlimited displacement a long time ago.

There is a point where strength becomes an issue and can no longer keep up with the increased displacement. That's all I was getting at. You can take a 416cc 400ex and keep up with or beat a lot of the 440cc 400ex's.
I know thats right. Im living proof! Especially if its done right!

[patrick delao]

Not trying to step on ChadEXers toes because he wants to sell his 416 kit but there is no way a 416 with the same mods can beat a 440 even Mickey Dunlap said that the the post that a 416 can out rev or out hp a 440 was not true either. Don't buy a 416 because you THINK it will beat 440s because it won't but because its the Best bang for the buck . Me I was power hungry so I went to a 440 and I have yet to have a 416 beat me but I have a mild to mid 440 package and I feel a FULL race 416 would beat me but I have not come across one yet.. My 2 cents

[ChadEXer]

Originally posted by patrick delao
Not trying to step on ChadEXers toes because he wants to sell his 416 kit but there is no way a 416 with the same mods can beat a 440 even Mickey Dunlap said that the the post that a 416 can out rev or out hp a 440 was not true either. Don't buy a 416 because you THINK it will beat 440s because it won't but because its the Best bang for the buck . Me I was power hungry so I went to a 440 and I have yet to have a 416 beat me but I have a mild to mid 440 package and I feel a FULL race 416 would beat me but I have not come across one yet.. My 2 cents
First of all I have already sold the 416 to a friend. If you get the 416 and do it right you will beat MOST 440's. of all the kits these boys have on their 400's probably 75% of them are holding back what they could have. Like I said earlier there is hardly NO difference between the 2 if done right. Just like Tom told me their is hardly NO difference between his 490 and his 505. And at the races I beat 2 FULL race 440's with my 416!

[ChadEXer]

And I am not at all saying a 416 is faster than a 440. A 440 with the exact same setup as a 416 of course would be faster just like Mickey says. Im just saying do it right and you will beat MOST 440's.

[patrick delao]

Like you said ( doing it the right way ) would be a full race 416. Like I said that would probably beat a mild to mid performance 440 but FULL race to Full race a 416 doesn't have a chance. :) The two full race 440s you say you beat is like what you said in your bottom post 95% rider have a nice day Pat

[MIKE400EX]

I guess that apples to apples concept is a hard thing to grasp. Don't bang your head on the wall too hard Pat!;)

[ChadEXer]

Originally posted by patrick delao
Like you said ( doing it the right way ) would be a full race 416. Like I said that would probably beat a mild to mid performance 440 but FULL race to Full race a 416 doesn't have a chance. :) The two full race 440s you say you beat is like what you said in your bottom post 95% rider have a nice day Pat
Ok but what is your definition of FULL race. FULL race doesnt mean its done right:)