Need GNCC setup tips

[muff]

Ok, I have a basically stock 400ex with the mods listed below...looking to buy around $500 worth of parts

-Rear razr 2s 20"
-Front 22" holeshot XCRs on .190 aluminum rims
-AC heavy duty rear skidplate
-Renthal bars
-DID x-ring chain

I'm thinking AC bumper and fully chassis skidplate...any other suggestions? I'd rather do the handling mods first (suspension) before workin on the motor and exhaust. I heard the ideal front end setup is +1 a-arms with 4:1 offset rims, is this long travel? or do most people use standard travel?

I'd probably be doing the novice or amature class for a few races.

thanks in advance

[Taco]

I'd try and find some stock rims for the fronts or get some race rings welded in.

[muff]

yea I have stock front tires and rims that are in good condition

[Dave400ex]

Get the PRM skid plates. My AC were trash after a few local XC races. Get the .190 full chassis, and new Z-plate for the rear. Also I would keep the stock rims over the .190 because they have the outer lip, stronger then the .190.

The ideal setup is the +1 arms with 4+1 wheels. Many guys have converted to using the LT setup that way, and love it. A lot of guys run the Houser +1 arms with either Douglas or Hiper beadlock fronts.

[coryatver]

Ok i already have skids and a pipe, is a stearing dampner an important cross country mod?

[4wheelboy]

Originally posted by coryatver
Ok i already have skids and a pipe, is a stearing dampner an important cross country mod?

every one i asked say its the best mod for the money. ill be buying a denton soon:o

[Dave400ex]

A Denton stabilizer is all most a must for Woods Racing. I know I've hit some stumps in 4th gear, with out the stabilizer who knows what might have happened.

[muff]

ok heres the list so far...what do you guys think?

-PRM or Pro-tech full body skid
-AC bumper
-Gibson steering stabilizer (same as denton but i can get cheaper)


ok now that the basic bolt ons are squared away now onto suspension

with stock a-arms what would you guys go with? I would go long travel I just dont have enough money right now.

how would a rebuild rear by Quad Shop and Elka triple rate fronts sound? I know the rebuilds $325ish but how much are the fronts for like piggy backs and comp adjust?

[Glow Plug]

I think elka triple rates comp and rebound ajust are some wheres around 800 or so.

[Dave400ex]

I have the rear rebuild and Elka ssd/comp adjust fronts and they work good. I like them a lot. I'm sure the LT would be better, of course. I have thought about sending them to Santo to be setup for me, which would help a lot.

[muff]

ok change of plans...lol

I now decided to use my MX quad instead of starting over from the ground up

I already have long travel shocks (PEP) and so all i'll need is +1 long travel a-arms...any suggestions? What do you guys see most?

Also with my lonestar axle adjusted down to +1.5" i'll be ok right?

[Dave400ex]

You decide to quit MX racing?

As said in the other post, you can check with Arens, but Houser has a +1 arm, Burgard I believe does, and others.

[muff]

no I'm still doin plenty of MX races

heres my 2 choices for an XC quad
1. use a basically stock 400ex and slap some elkas all around on it
2. use my MX quad and put on the XC stuff when theres an XC race

my mx quad is practically fully built and the stock quad is well, stock

i think i'm going to go with option one like i originally planned because it will just end up being to much of a hassle

I'm most likely going to buy some triple rate front Elkas and get the rear rebuilt..shouldnt be to bad of a setup

[muff]

heres the stocker

[muff]

these tires are tough...probably the last XC rear tires i'll have to buy

[muff]

and heres the MX'er as it sat a few days ago...its all apart now, frame and everything else you could powdercoat is goin off to pappy this weekend...should be lookin pretty sweet

[Bob-Hobo]

Originally posted by Glow Plug
I think elka triple rates comp and rebound ajust are some wheres around 800 or so. Do you think I should go long travel this season with some lead emulsion spherical bearings shocks, what about the turbine valving, is it worth it.?

[muff]

I was talking to pappy about XC front end setups and he said long travels arent really that common so I'll stick with the standard travel for XC and save some dough

[EX 80]

Originally posted by muff
these tires are tough...probably the last XC rear tires i'll have to buy

Nice tires, i have been giving those razar 2's some serious thought lately. Those are 20's right? How much and where did you get them?

[muff]

yea those are 20s but their a little shorter than stock 20s

I got them from Extreme ATVs in Norwich, CT http://muff.atvmx.com/extreme
retail is $125 each but I spend a lot of money there so I got them for $160 for both

the other cheapest place is C&D

[Bob-Hobo]

Originally posted by muff
yea those are 20s but their a little shorter than stock 20s

I got them from Extreme ATVs in Norwich, CT http://muff.atvmx.com/extreme
retail is $125 each but I spend a lot of money there so I got them for $160 for both

the other cheapest place is C&D WHo in their right mind would spend $125 per tire, most places are around $75 for the razr 2's, and even that is kinda rediculous.:rolleyes:

[muff]

Originally posted by Bob-Hobo
WHo in their right mind would spend $125 per tire, most places are around $75 for the razr 2's, and even that is kinda rediculous.:rolleyes:

I was just stating the retail price....even at $160 for the pair Extreme only made $4 on the deal...it may be a lot, but the next time I buy an XC tire I know what I'm gettin (razr 2) its the toughest tire I've ever run and with nobbies like these it'd probably last a year from just riding on the road

dont critize until you use them first...what XC tires are you running?

[Pappy]

razor 2's flat get the job done and then some. id pay $100 each if thats what they cost. those tires with the new tire balls and you wouldnt need a spare set:macho

[muff]

thats what I'm talkin about :devil:

now only if I could get my hands on some of those balls :eek2:

[AtvMxRider]

Originally posted by muff


now only if I could get my hands on some of those balls :eek2:


Keep your hands on your own balls buddy..........:eek2:

[gibson400ex]

Originally posted by AtvMxRider
Keep your hands on your own balls buddy..........:eek2:



ya:eek2:

[gibson400ex]

Originally posted by muff
yea those are 20s but their a little shorter than stock 20s

I got them from Extreme ATVs in Norwich, CT http://muff.atvmx.com/extreme
retail is $125 each but I spend a lot of money there so I got them for $160 for both

the other cheapest place is C&D


i thoguht you said extreme didnt have there own site?

[gibson400ex]

Muff- how much would it cost for a set of those razors for a cannondale all around on all 4?

[muff]

you mean 4 on rims?

I could probably get you 4 tires for $360-375ish

[gibson400ex]

nah just the tires

[KrazyKid300ex]

Originally posted by muff
I was just stating the retail price....even at $160 for the pair Extreme only made $4 on the deal...it may be a lot, but the next time I buy an XC tire I know what I'm gettin (razr 2) its the toughest tire I've ever run and with nobbies like these it'd probably last a year from just riding on the road

dont critize until you use them first...what XC tires are you running?


Those things have some nasty side bite and nasty bite period. I love them on my dads 400.

[muff]

just bought some front triple rate elkas, comp and ride heigh adjust, piggyback ressies, should be sick, will be sending the rear shock out to derisi sometime

[WOOLIN]

Are you still interested in those tire balls?

[Doibugu2]

I think with a mostly stock quad with suspension you should do okay.

My opinion GNCC races is about 90% endurance for us beginners. For the 2 races I've raced I didn't feel my stock engine couldn't keep up. My body was the one that couldn't keep up.

[Dave400ex]

Doibugu2 I couldn't agree more. I find myself wanting a YFZ, but honestly the 400 still has a lot to offer. With Woods racing, it's mostly the rider being able to ride hard for the whole race.

[muff]

yea your right on that one, pappy told me to do a lot of cardio and running and stuff like that....I'll be out runnin my arse off tomorrow :devil:

I might run tire balls, it just all depends on how much they are...

[Dave400ex]

I think those Tire Balls are around $180 a tire or more!

[gibson400ex]

my mom owns a fitness place so i can do cardio,abs,running anythign i want to whenever i want to.....:D

[LTandRaptorider]

Originally posted by gibson400ex
my mom owns a fitness place so i can do cardio,abs,running anythign i want to whenever i want to.....:D

I put the computer at the opposite end of the house from the refrigerator so I burn carbs going for a beer... :p