TRX450R Honda MX Debut at Glen Helen

[Admin]

When I arrived at Glen Helen, I quickly heard that the TRX450R was going to be raced today. At first, I was unphased because I figured someone had seen a CRF450 and assumed it was the New TRX450R. Soon enough, I found out that indeed the rumor was true! Dirt Wheels Magazine editor Cain was going to race the 450R in the ITP Quadcross for an upcoming article. When I went to find him, He was already on the line ready to Race!

Obviously, I was eagerly awaiting to start capturing the TRX450R in its First MX race.

[Admin]

Cain was racing the 450R in the 30+ Class against plenty of highly modified YFZ, Z, KFX, 250R, and 400EX quads. I really didn't anticipate the 450R to be competitive when its only performance modification was a White Brothers Exhaust. It didn't even have the Honda Hop-up kit installed.

Off the line, the 450R was near last, which could be expected from someone who hasn't had a chance to learn the power delivery of a unfamilar ATV.

[Admin]

Cain looked extremely comfortable on the 450R right from the start. He didn't look as scrunged up on the TRX as some of the other racers did on the YFZ. The foot peg location to the seat and handlebars looked to be better suited for a larger racer.

It easily carved the turns with the ITP Holeshot tires that it had installed.

[Out_Sider]

WHOAAAAAAA!!!!!!! :eek: that is like so wicked awesome, like im like speechless :eek2:

[Admin]

Jumping wise, the TRX450R seemed jump and land smoothly. The shocks seemed to be a little soft for a larger racer, but I never saw any erratic rebounds or rear end swapping in the whoops.

[Admin]

Cain was able to fly around this huge sweeping turn!

[Admin]

It had plenty of power to pull the steep uphills at Glen Helen with Speed!

[Admin]

Check Out the Rear Tail light. I thought it was pretty cool looking!

[Admin]

After staring at this picture for a while, I really started wishing I had mine already:(

[Out_Sider]

any more pics?? i'm really stoked about this!

[Admin]

Needless to say, I was really impressed with the way it looked on the track. Not only did it look great, but Cain rode it like he had it for a while. He started near last, but was able to pick off one modified YFZ after another with ease. If I wasn't there, I would have had a hard time believing it myself. I must point out that Cain does have Pro license, but I still believe the 450R is going to be a very competitive machine right off the showroom floor.

[Admin]

I really liked this picture!

[Admin]

The suspension in the Front compressed all the way on alot of the jumps, which is good because it is using all the available travel. I have heard one negative rumor that some of the front shocks have failed during testing. I guess we will have to wait and see if this is true.

[Bad Habit]

Originally posted by EXriders Admin
I really liked this picture!

That's the same view that alot will have this coming year.

hehe....I just had to say it.


That's what I love to see. Slap a pipe and some tires on it and you're ready to race, AND be competitive. That to me is the definition of Pro-Production.

[Admin]

This pictures give a good example of what I mean about the positioning of the Footpegs, Seat, and Handlebars. Cain looks to be fairly comfortable in his race crouch on the 450R and he is about 6' tall. I have noticed taller YFZ guys having to lean over more for the handlebars. Again, this could be corrected with the a new stem and different handlebars on the YFZ. I personally think they are both great machines, but if the TRX450R had an electric start, I personally wouldn't even consider the YFZ. Again, this is my early judgement, and the TRX may have problems crop up which might chance my impression, but I highly doubt it.

[Admin]

Anyway, Cain proved to me that the TRX450R was very competitive off the showroom floor by finishing the 1st Moto in 2nd Place and Winning the last Moto in the 30+ Class. In its first MX race against a class full of modified Fourstroke Quads, The TRX450R was Victorous! That was Impressive! For the Record, Cain Smead also won the 30+ Intermediate Class in Round 6 on a YFZ450. He is a very talented racer.

The TRX450R has already won the Baja and now its first MX race and it hasn't even been publicly released yet! I will be getting two of these bad boys. One to keep stock and one to modifiy! Come on Honda, HURRY UP!!! I can't take it any longer!

[Admin]

Congratulations Cain on your Overall in the 30+ Class, and I can't wait to read your article!

[Admin]

Closeup View of the Front! I originally didn't like the way it looked, but it is starting to grow on me.

[Admin]

Side Angle Front View

[Admin]

Angle View!

I like the way the front fenders are removable, but I don't know how well they will hold up to a heavy load of mud on them from a race.

[Admin]

Two Thumbs Up!

Originally posted by EXriders Admin
Two Thumbs Up!


that looks much wider than stock for some reason

[remlapr]

Originally posted by EXriders Admin
Two Thumbs Up!


Who is that in the pic with it? If you guys were able to get that close, were you able to sit on it and feel the ergonomics for yourself?

[Admin]

Originally posted by freeride132
that looks much wider than stock for some reason

It is most likely seems that way to you because of your poor judgement, or it may have a 3x2 offset wheel which would make it wider!

Originally posted by EXriders Admin
It is most likely seems that way to you because of your poor judgement, or it may have a 3x2 offset wheel which would make it wider!


no i have eyes, the stock one front tires dont stick out past the fenders, whos that standing on the left?

[310Rduner]

Originally posted by freeride132
no i have eyes, the stock one front tires dont stick out past the fenders, whos that standing on the left?

That would be me and my awesome fro-ness.

After seeing that I need a haircut more than I thought

:ermm:

Originally posted by 310Rduner
That would be me and my awesome fro-ness.

After seeing that I need a haircut more than I thought

:ermm:


so i bet u snuck a sit and vroom vroom on it, howd it feel

[400grl]

I was all over it and touching it everywhere! :) :devil: I was just about to sit on it, but Cain came up and was up for his moto.....so...no sitting for me! :) It's a sweet quad though. Very nice. I can't wait to get mine. I'm getting tired of seeing Blue and White everywhere!!! :macho

[310Rduner]

Originally posted by freeride132
so i bet u snuck a sit and vroom vroom on it, howd it feel

Actually no:(

I spent like 5 minutes gawking at it, and then right after the picture he had to leave before I coud ask to sit on it

[JOEX]

Great pics Harlen! This was a pleasant suprise!:)

Joe

[zfire_28]

Originally posted by 400grl
I was all over it and touching it everywhere! :) :devil: I was just about to sit on it

:eek2: that statement makes me feel kinda funny.....like when I used to climb the rope in gym class:blah:

[seatec]

never mind. it's a HOnda site.:cool:

[400grl]

Originally posted by zfire_28
:eek2: that statement makes me feel kinda funny.....like when I used to climb the rope in gym class:blah:

LOL!!!:D

[dads400ex]

I like my Z, I like my Z, I like my Z.
Every ATV I have had has been a Honda until I got my Z and I am very happy with it, with all the mods I have done to it. But now Honda comes out with this and it is like:eek2: :mad: It looks good and I am glad Honda finally came out with it but I think my wife would KILL me if I even mentioned it:p

Great picks Harlen you have done really well with the site that is why I keep coming back.

Later

[JTRtrx250r]

Originally posted by 310Rduner
That would be me and my awesome fro-ness.

After seeing that I need a haircut more than I thought

:ermm: You lucky lil chit:D haha,now Im jealous:p :blah:

[MIA450R]

Very good news. Hopefully the next Dirt Wheels will have a complete review of the 450R and this race...

Are you 100% certain the only performance mods was the WB exhaust? They must have rejetted and removed the airbox lid, along with that, right? No power up kit? Nothing else?

[quadrcr161]

very good pics like the thers have said. cant wait till i get mine.

[mudspot440]

It's great that the TRX450 made it out and won, but why is it that Cain Smead continues to race in the Intermediate class? he has a pro license and always wins.

Granted Cain rides fairly stock bikes, but Dirt Wheels mag gives them to him to race and he comes out to spank the local INTERMEDIATE riders... he always says "yes, i'm a pro, but i'm on a stock bike"

is that fair? I bet Kory could beat most everyone on a fricken Blaster.

the TRX450R may be a GREAT bike, but don't be so impressed that a PRO beat a bunch of Intermediate riders...

No hard feelings Cain, i'm just being the devils advocate... i look forward to banging bars with you again.. in the Expert Class

oh ya, i'm buying a YFZ.. anyone want to buy a 440ex fully built? ($6000... www.400ex.com )

[honda_ryder91]

i caint wait to get mine

[gibson400ex]

god i love that pipe...........and that bike must have had the hrc hop up kit right?

[zephead400ex]

Originally posted by gibson400ex
god i love that pipe...........and that bike must have had the hrc hop up kit right?

Harlan said the only mod was the pipe...no hop up kit.

[gibson400ex]

Originally posted by zephead400ex
Harlan said the only mod was the pipe...no hop up kit.


o didnt read that

[ReconRider25]

It's great that the TRX450 made it out and won, but why is it that Cain Smead continues to race in the Intermediate class? he has a pro license and always wins.

he said he raced the 450r in the pro class, and the yfz in the intermediate i thought?

[400grl]

When I saw the 450R on the track, it wasn't in the pro class....

Who said the 30+ class is Intermediate riders??

Isn't the 30+ class the only class that retired pro's can race in??

[Sporttrax400ex]

s0o what did it sound like with that white bros on it?

[mudspot440]

no, he said Cain rode the YFZ in the LAST round of the series, he races intermediate.... with a pro license.

[Atreyu]

Originally posted by 400grl
I was all over it and touching it everywhere! :) :devil: I was just about to sit on it



Did you get this on tape? haha I'm J/K...


The new white brothers carbon pipes look pretty cool. Don'y know how well they perform though. They'd better be good for $700. :eek2:

[gibson400ex]

Originally posted by Atreyu
Did you get this on tape? haha I'm J/K...


The new white brothers carbon pipes look pretty cool. Don'y know how well they perform though. They'd better be good for $700. :eek2:


700 holy chit:eek2: you can get a full tc pipe for less than that.

[400grl]

Originally posted by Atreyu
Did you get this on tape? haha I'm J/K....

LOL!!! No - but I did hear that it liked it as much as I did!! :) :blah: :devil:

[lol]

I want one, but am skeptical bout the kick

[TCracin440ex]

hey harlen i was wondering if you could e-mail me the full size picture i want 1 to go on my computer desktop...ive been looking for some good action pics to put on the desktop of my pc..but couldnt find none until now...if you can do that ill appreciate it.....TCracin440ex@aol.com

[TCracin440ex]

i love the look of that bike with reinforced rims on it and mxrs on the rear and mx's up front...DROOL.....gave me a chub....

[TCracin440ex]

why are people so skeptical about the kick....ive heard its the eaziest bike to kick start...the crfs are easy to start...

[K_Fulk]

Originally posted by TCracin440ex
why are people so skeptical about the kick....ive heard its the eaziest bike to kick start...the crfs are easy to start...

Some people get spoiled after having electric start for awhile. Kinda like having a car with power windows and getting a new one with crank windows.

[TCracin440ex]

tru..but u can kick the bike harder than what that e-start will turn it.....so u can run a higher comp ratio....iv heard that 400ex's with 440ex's and high comp ratios are really hard to start the starter will barely turn them over

[trueblue450]

Originally posted by K_Fulk
Some people get spoiled after having electric start for awhile. Kinda like having a car with power windows and getting a new one with crank windows.

lmao..

i got a new truck without power windows.. i was kinda pissed..




450R looks pimp... I still think the shocks look small compared to the yfz but if they perfom theres no problem. But that thing must have had some power to it. Cant wait till the new dirt wheels.

[quadrcr161]

true about the kick, but ive been kicking mybig bore R's since i started racing in 92, so it will be just another quad for me. but i do like the starter on my 300ex though.

[TCracin440ex]

i believe kick start looks more manly too....i mean back in the day when you would see a harley davidson rider only thing ud see um doing is kicking that bike.....untill the word lazy and e-start was invented....you looked more of a man kicking a bike than pushing a button....

[FASTeR]

wont look to manly at the start of a gncc when your already behind. And god forbid you kill it, cause being worn out and kicking a hot fourstroke only aggrivates most people. So.. right now as i see it 6499 + 339.00 for a power up kit = 6838. My YFZ rolled off the showroom floor 6458.00. So the way i see it the yfz is the better bargain, you can always add a kickstarter for 200 bucks but how much would it cost to put electric on the trx.. if at all possible which may be unlikely. It dosent look more more spaced out that the yfz, the bars may be more swept back, but the peg-seat height dont look any better at all.

[K_Fulk]

Originally posted by TCracin440ex
tru..but u can kick the bike harder than what that e-start will turn it.....so u can run a higher comp ratio....iv heard that 400ex's with 440ex's and high comp ratios are really hard to start the starter will barely turn them over

I've never had any problems with my ex turing my motor over. But i think kick eliminates a lot of problems that may occur like, replacing brushes in a starter, getting a new battery and such.

[Rpina]

I have a 465ex stroker with 2 stage cam and everything else you can think of. My ex starts up as soon as I push that button!
I doubt Honda will dominate like they did 15 years ago. But, the fact still remains, When Honda builds something its always top notch. Honda Rules and always will.

[Crayfish]

Faster,

You got your YFZ under msrp correct? Why would you assume that the TRX would not be any different? When it comes out we will see what people are really paying for them.

Also, around here is Nor Cal its more like 7800 OTD for a YZF (includes 8.25% sales tax and all the other crap they add on), you got a smokin deal for yours.

Originally posted by mudspot440
It's great that the TRX450 made it out and won, but why is it that Cain Smead continues to race in the Intermediate class? he has a pro license and always wins.

Granted Cain rides fairly stock bikes, but Dirt Wheels mag gives them to him to race and he comes out to spank the local INTERMEDIATE riders... he always says "yes, i'm a pro, but i'm on a stock bike"

is that fair? I bet Kory could beat most everyone on a fricken Blaster.

the TRX450R may be a GREAT bike, but don't be so impressed that a PRO beat a bunch of Intermediate riders...

No hard feelings Cain, i'm just being the devils advocate... i look forward to banging bars with you again.. in the Expert Class

oh ya, i'm buying a YFZ.. anyone want to buy a 440ex fully built? ($6000... www.400ex.com )


im not impressed either, i should have a yfz in my shop by the weekend unless something goes terribly wrong:macho

[pnut420]

I think the 450r look pretty cool, but also just seems like a 400ex with a CRF engine in it. I dont see how the footpegs and whatnot give you more room, plus I only weigh 125 so that not an issue. The YFZ is nothing to crazy either besides a fast motor, bottom line either quad will need plenty of other stuff to to be competitive, I just assume get a 400ex for cheap and trick it otu and be ahead of the ballgame. If I was financing a quad then I might consider the 450r or YFZ

Originally posted by pnut420
I think the 450r look pretty cool, but also just seems like a 400ex with a CRF engine in it. I dont see how the footpegs and whatnot give you more room, plus I only weigh 125 so that not an issue. The YFZ is nothing to crazy either besides a fast motor, bottom line either quad will need plenty of other stuff to to be competitive, I just assume get a 400ex for cheap and trick it otu and be ahead of the ballgame. If I was financing a quad then I might consider the 450r or YFZ

yfz is more competitive than my 416 is...yfz bone stuck with spark arrestor removed that is....the way it corners and the power:eek2:


a 400ex...if u wanna be serious dont waste your money, a year ago id say go for it, id rather have a stock yfz than most 400exs

[Out_Sider]

Well... I wont be buying either of them. I want to wait for the Suzuki 450! I think that will be the highest performing 450 on the market when it hits. I want to get a DVX400 (arctic cat model) when i turn 15 or so, but if the suzuki 450 is out, i'll be getting it instead. But so far im highly impressed with the 450r and the yfz450... just want to wait for tha good ole suzuki!

[redroost85]

Awesome stuff Harlen! I am loving the new pics and info. You da man, lol!:D

[quadnice]

Originally posted by FASTeR
wont look to manly at the start of a gncc when your already behind.


Kick start quads pulled the Holeshot on the PRO starts @ nearly every 03 -GNCC & I'm sure a lot of local distict races!

[Soulfly]

Originally posted by Out_Sider
Well... I wont be buying either of them. I want to wait for the Suzuki 450! I think that will be the highest performing 450 on the market when it hits. I want to get a DVX400 (arctic cat model) when i turn 15 or so, but if the suzuki 450 is out, i'll be getting it instead. But so far im highly impressed with the 450r and the yfz450... just want to wait for tha good ole suzuki!

Quoting a Suzuki Rep. "Yes we are making an RM450 bike, but we have no intentions of releasing a 450 quad anytime soon."


Just go buy a yfz or trx so youre not waiting for nothing.

[FASTeR]

Oh, dont get me wrong, I am prolly one of the most unbiased riders out there as far as brand loyalty goes, just read my list of previous atv's. I love the z400's feel, while not as responsive or racerish feeling as the yfz, Its got a great starting point for just about anything, the yfz is no where near as comfy as the z400, and nor do i think the 400ex is as great as everyone makes it out to be. I have liked something about every quad I have ever ridden. And have always disliked more things than I liked. Just my nature. However the yfz is the closest thing to what I want in a quad that has ever come about. One of the things is electric start. The advantage to having a kicker is generally weight, But if the quad weights the same with the electric as one does with kicker, now which one can ultimately be made lighter (the one witht he electric) so i.e the yfz-350lbs, the trx450r-350lbs. remove the starter on the the yfz and your under that mark. The gytr kick is expensive, but you wont pay list if you find the right place. and if you piece parts from the dirtbike it will cost even less than that. However finding electric start for the trx is going to be impossible at least for a while. Something the vast majority of racers (xc) consider an advantage. The Honda is a very nice machine from what I can tell. But relying on old honda reliability isnt gonna sell quads in its own right anymore, this is 2003 soon to be 2004, not 1994 when your only racing option was a 250r. Times have changed, and all this narrow minded mentality needs to go. Both Honda riders and Yamaha riders, as well as Suzuki and Kawasaki rider should realize this is the dawn of great things in the sport. I cant wait to see what suzuki comes out with, or whatever atk or whoever does with the c-dale. Variety is the spice of life, all of our lives are now filled with much more variety I think. I absolutely cannot wait till spring of 04' hittin' the tracks with so much more competition, and the overall cost to be on a grade A machine has now came down to the 8,000 dollar range, vs. just a few years ago 20,000 was common. So if we could please just hold all the "mine is better than yours" comments to ourselves. I didnt come here to bash the 450r, its senseless. All we can hope for now is dirtbike style playing fields with much more even high technology competition. Both machines have their + and -. The bottom line? well here it is.. Think of what YOU are going to be doing on your atv.. does pure performance mean everything to you? if so then your 2 options are the Honda and the Yamaha, then just pick what you want red or blue, kick, or electric, if your a diehard fan of the red or the blue then no time is better than now to saddle up. However if your just in the market for something fast, fun and handles well, be sure to throw in the suzuki,kawi,arctic cat. It can be competitive with a little money invested, and starts out around 1,000 less. plus it comes in yellow, white, green, orange, and now arctic cats odd looking varient. Often times I think we forget what it is to truely be alive and able to ride. Instead it turns into a war of words, against each other. When in the end we are just one big army, fighting for our right to ride, and enjoy what we all love to do. So rather or not your on a new machine or old faithful. Sit back and enjoy this coming year and those to come. Because things are sure to be exciting.

[Waynes400ex]

I was at Glen Helen this weekend. The 450r was cold and I seen Cain get on the bike sit down and while sitting down he kicked it and it started first kick. Also I was thinking the same thing about taking off the e-start on the yfz but when you take off the e-start, then the battery. Then all of the juice to run the electric fan pulls from the spark of the motor, which cuts down your power. So I guess what most guys do is unplug the fan for mx. I wouldnt want to go threw that big hassel. Just a thougt!

[r450rr]

i cant wait till i get the trx 450r

boy would i like to get some of that..lol (tommy boy)

[Jnine]

Hello Guys:

Cains win on the Honda all comes down to one thing. He is an excellent rider. Remember, you still have to have a little thing called skill, and Cain has plenty of it. As for the Honda, sorry guys, but I have put in quite a bit of ride time on both the Yamaha and the Honda, and I would pick the YFZ for ANY mx or cc track. It is so easy to go fast on the Yamaha. Stock for stock the power is about the same, but when a rider on a YFZ with the Yamaha factory hop up kit meets a rider with the factory Honda hop up kit, the Honda rider is a dead man. The Honda hop up kit doesn't add much. The YFZ hop up kit hauls a@@! I hope to God all the riders in my local Vet class are on the new Honda, and I am on the YFZ or even my R! Don't get me wrong, the Honda is a good quad, but is not the pure racer the YFZ is. It's still kind of a play bike. Just as another post pointed out, the seating position is more upright for play riding. The YFZ is a charging position like you would need on the track. The Honda feels exactly like riding a 400EX with a little more power. In fact, Andrew from the shop has a 400 EX with the 440 Thumper racing kit, and that will outpull the CRF WITH the hop up kit. However, if you get out the checkbook and go deep into the CRF motor you can almost certainly get it on par with the YZ. But then again, one post mentioned that $8000 will buy you this quad. It will, but add the cost for A-arms, shocks, axle, and you sure as h@ll need the other carb, etc, and see where you end up. Exactly where you can buy one for right now. Just the way it is guys...

[JTRtrx250r]

Originally posted by Jnine
Hello Guys:

Cains win on the Honda all comes down to one thing. He is an excellent rider. Remember, you still have to have a little thing called skill, and Cain has plenty of it. As for the Honda, sorry guys, but I have put in quite a bit of ride time on both the Yamaha and the Honda, and I would pick the YFZ for ANY mx or cc track. It is so easy to go fast on the Yamaha. Stock for stock the power is about the same, but when a rider on a YFZ with the Yamaha factory hop up kit meets a rider with the factory Honda hop up kit, the Honda rider is a dead man. The Honda hop up kit doesn't add much. The YFZ hop up kit hauls a@@! I hope to God all the riders in my local Vet class are on the new Honda, and I am on the YFZ or even my R! Don't get me wrong, the Honda is a good quad, but is not the pure racer the YFZ is. It's still kind of a play bike. Just as another post pointed out, the seating position is more upright for play riding. The YFZ is a charging position like you would need on the track. The Honda feels exactly like riding a 400EX with a little more power. In fact, Andrew from the shop has a 400 EX with the 440 Thumper racing kit, and that will outpull the CRF WITH the hop up kit. However, if you get out the checkbook and go deep into the CRF motor you can almost certainly get it on par with the YZ. But then again, one post mentioned that $8000 will buy you this quad. It will, but add the cost for A-arms, shocks, axle, and you sure as h@ll need the other carb, etc, and see where you end up. Exactly where you can buy one for right now. Just the way it is guys... JA, Which handles better in stock and race form?

[Woody_YFZ]

Wow!! That's sweet that the new 'R' has been in a race now. Nice pics. I'm still not a fan of the styling, however it does look a little nicer to me than in it's debut.

[Woody_CRF]

Hmmm, a pro in the intermediate class is still a pro in the intermediate class, stock bike or no stock bike. Anyone heard of 95% rider 5% bike. I'm with the guy earlier that said he could win on a blaster (no offense blaster owners).

That was very cool, and an excellent write up and very nice job on the pics.

Don't get me wrong, I like the TRX450R, and think it will be a great quad. But basing your decion to buy or not to buy off that isn't a good idea IMOP. Buying it for another reason is fine, but buying it because the PRO won on it in the Int class is like buying the blaster based off the same results. A slow rider on a fast bike is still a slow rider.

As for the WB Carbon Pro, those pipes are the shiznitz. For those that follow MX at all, that is the pipe the K-Dub (Kevin Windham) has on his CRF. I have no idea what the cost for the CP will be for the TRX, but the full system (which is the only way you can get one) is $800, or $750 for the Ti version (doesn't look nearly as cool though, so IMOP it would be worth the extra $50 just for the bling bling factor).

Anyway, nice job on the pics, and write up, but I wouldn't write home to mom just yet. Wait for a *real* test from a *normal* racer in his/her *real* class.

[putzld]

If I had a YFZ, I would take of the electric start and battery cuz otherwise you will fry the battery!

[Jnine]

In stock form I and quite a few of the other guys thought the YFZ handled better. In fact, after 1 lap one test guy came back and said he "bottomed over everything bigger than a cigarette butt" After dialing in the shocks - which do have a lot of adjustment to their credit - he was pretty happy. It does jump well, and is pretty predictable. As for the YFZ, it is extremely well balanced in the air also, but the big difference is that it has a lower center of gravity, and that makes a huge difference in the corners. That's where you win races. The YFZ carries it's weight very low. Even though the Honda is almost identical to the Yamaha in wheelbase, it feels quite a bit taller because of the seating position (more upright) and it's higher center of gravity. It carries the fuel very high (even above your knees). LIke I said, it feels exactly like an EX witha little more power. The Yamaha feels like a racer, because that is what they wanted it to be. One other thing I found a little annoying was the cutouts in the plastic by the edge of the seat. They have a nasty habit of catching your boot. Another thing I didn't understand was why the rear fenders don't come off like the R for cleaning. On the R you pull a little lever and the entire rear deck comes off easily. Really makes cleanup a lot easier. I wish this bike did that also. Just my (and some other guys) thoughts. I do like this quad, but it would be the second one for me. Actually third since my R is never going to leave.

[Honda Jay]

sweet, it proved itself worthy and well equiped

[lukester720]

I'm sure everyone will find a gripe about it but you can find one with any quad. The 450r looks like the quad for me!

[George_ORH]

For mxing I suppose once you are going, then you are good. But I believe on the trails an electric starter would have an advantage... I know I have been in ALOT of tuff places where that electric starter fired my Z back up and saved me. I guess I am spoiled but I have owned 2 banshees and a quadracer (as far as kickers go), and I DO NOT plan on going back to it.
I would like the idea of having a backup starter to go along with my electric on a quad.
But to the point, If one is better than the other over 1 small detail then I am there.... If one is better in one thing, and the other is better in another, well............ If it's not too much of a difference then I am staying with my electric start..
And I know I am going to be behind the times having a Z400 but I still am in LOVE with my REVERSE . Someone needs to make me a bike with electric start, kick start, reverse, low center of gravity, great looks, amazing handling, 60hp stock, good spread of power, 300lbs wet, and $4800.00..

There.

:D

Originally posted by Jnine
In stock form I and quite a few of the other guys thought the YFZ handled better. In fact, after 1 lap one test guy came back and said he "bottomed over everything bigger than a cigarette butt" After dialing in the shocks - which do have a lot of adjustment to their credit - he was pretty happy. It does jump well, and is pretty predictable. As for the YFZ, it is extremely well balanced in the air also, but the big difference is that it has a lower center of gravity, and that makes a huge difference in the corners. That's where you win races. The YFZ carries it's weight very low. Even though the Honda is almost identical to the Yamaha in wheelbase, it feels quite a bit taller because of the seating position (more upright) and it's higher center of gravity. It carries the fuel very high (even above your knees). LIke I said, it feels exactly like an EX witha little more power. The Yamaha feels like a racer, because that is what they wanted it to be. One other thing I found a little annoying was the cutouts in the plastic by the edge of the seat. They have a nasty habit of catching your boot. Another thing I didn't understand was why the rear fenders don't come off like the R for cleaning. On the R you pull a little lever and the entire rear deck comes off easily. Really makes cleanup a lot easier. I wish this bike did that also. Just my (and some other guys) thoughts. I do like this quad, but it would be the second one for me. Actually third since my R is never going to leave.

wew im glad i made the right decision:macho

[310Rduner]

Originally posted by Jnine
In stock form I and quite a few of the other guys thought the YFZ handled better. In fact, after 1 lap one test guy came back and said he "bottomed over everything bigger than a cigarette butt" After dialing in the shocks - which do have a lot of adjustment to their credit - he was pretty happy. It does jump well, and is pretty predictable. As for the YFZ, it is extremely well balanced in the air also, but the big difference is that it has a lower center of gravity, and that makes a huge difference in the corners. That's where you win races. The YFZ carries it's weight very low. Even though the Honda is almost identical to the Yamaha in wheelbase, it feels quite a bit taller because of the seating position (more upright) and it's higher center of gravity. It carries the fuel very high (even above your knees). LIke I said, it feels exactly like an EX witha little more power. The Yamaha feels like a racer, because that is what they wanted it to be. One other thing I found a little annoying was the cutouts in the plastic by the edge of the seat. They have a nasty habit of catching your boot. Another thing I didn't understand was why the rear fenders don't come off like the R for cleaning. On the R you pull a little lever and the entire rear deck comes off easily. Really makes cleanup a lot easier. I wish this bike did that also. Just my (and some other guys) thoughts. I do like this quad, but it would be the second one for me. Actually third since my R is never going to leave.

Thanks for the post John. I guess my first opinion may be right about the Yfz when I first saw it.. more R like than what honda made. Don't get me wrong.. the 450R is sweet... but I dont think it deserves the "R".. maybe 450ex would be a little more truthful.

[twisted threads]

Originally posted by 310Rduner
Thanks for the post John. I guess my first opinion may be right about the Yfz when I first saw it.. more R like than what honda made. Don't get me wrong.. the 450R is sweet... but I dont think it deserves the "R".. maybe 450ex would be a little more truthful.

I would half to agree with you to about the trx450r should be called a trx450ex if you ask me..Just my opinion. BUT You will not see a YFZ in my shop over the TRX 450r,, I am a big honda fan and I know that the YFZ is a awsome quad but I know I will never do any MXing just play riding I truely think that the honda will be bullet proof all around and If I was going to get a new quad it would be the TRX450r. If I wanted to go super fast I would go get my R out, nethier one of them bikes could keep up with that thing. BUT IT DONT matter what you ride as long as your haveing FUN!:D :cool:

[Jnine]

Neither one is a bad choice. Like the person mentioned in one of the posts, it's all about having fun. Make your choice (maybe even a Suzuki or even a Polaris) and go out and ride.

When a Pro runs the Intermediate Class around here....we laugh at him. That is just not right.

How did the Honda pull the YFZ's once the race was on....nevermind the start.....what about on the hills and comin' out of the corners and such? That's what I want to know.

[AlaskaTRX]

A pro racing in the intermediate class... pthththhthththhh :p

Now if he raced the pro class, then maybe this "race win" would mean something. Since it isn't at the highest level at competition, as has been said in numerous posts, it doesn't prove squat.

Only when Farr lines up with Gust and Ellis and beats them both, then we'll see which quad has the most potential.

Wouldn't it be funny if Gust wiped everyones' butts next year on a Factory Suzuki LT-Z400?!?! :D

Originally posted by AlaskaTRX
Wouldn't it be funny if Gust wiped everyones' butts next year on a Factory Suzuki LT-Z400?!?! :D

Now THAT would be a miracle.

[George_ORH]

I doubt it will suck to be Doug.... Keep in mind what everyone keeps talking about--- 90% rider.
I am a firm believer that as long as the bikes racing are "decently close" then the rider will determine the outcome. I have seen ALOT of people have a better quad and get outridden, go out sell theirs and get one like the one that outran them AND still get whipped...

George

[Jnine]

Why would anyone say it sucks to be Doug? He is in possibly his best position ever. Remember, for the last decade everyone else was on top-of-the-line aftermarket parts, and Doug didn't always have that. Now some of that advantage has been taken away, and Doug is on the same stuff as everyone else. There is nobody in the world better at riding through a less than perfect setup than Doug Gust. The other guys.... They've never really had to. Believe me, Doug and his Suzuki are more than capable of winning on any track.

[Admin]

Originally posted by Jnine
Why would anyone say it sucks to be Doug? He is in possibly his best position ever. Remember, for the last decade everyone else was on top-of-the-line aftermarket parts, and Doug didn't always have that. Now some of that advantage has been taken away, and Doug is on the same stuff as everyone else. There is nobody in the world better at riding through a less than perfect setup than Doug Gust. The other guys.... They've never really had to. Believe me, Doug and his Suzuki are more than capable of winning on any track.

Well Said, John!

Originally posted by HRC450R
Now THAT would be a miracle.


You must not keep up with MX racing or know Doug Gust very well...:rolleyes:

[exrider44]

I just love how people talk smack on here ...Its what you like ..opinions are like @$$holes everyone has one. If you like the yfz go for it If you like honda go for it. Just ride and have fun

[TRX250R22]

That quad is amazing....i was going to sell my 1986 R for it but i decided not too....mine is to cool to pass up...plus i can't afford payments :( oh well life isnt always fair...

[jcv400ex]

I'm sorry but Cain is no where near pro level still. Yeah, the man can ride, but 30 something working at dirtwheels, and you expect him to race pro cuz he still has his license??????? I'd be proud if he whooped my butt out there, or any of the old pro's. Come on guys, give him a break.

As far as TRX vs YZF, I think Yamadog prevails....:( Sorry, but I don't think it'll be a dominating force. I'm going out on a limb and I'll say they'll be 7 YFZ's in the top 10 in this years Pro GNC class. With Ironman out on top! :macho


Doug Gust is VERY capable of winning any given weekend. I think he will be a threat this year, but I don't see him defending the title. Lets face it, he finally won his title, got some respect. Will he have the same drive this year with the sponsorship? I dunno, I think he's a top five finisher at the end of the year. But, he's one hell of a racer and one hell of a guy! You'll see more Digger fans out there than anyone. Everyone just likes the guy that doesn't have the top of the line stuff, has that "farm guy" look to him, and gives it 110% every race. He's kinda like the Bill Elliot of ATV Racing.

[TGW_400ex]

Why is it that everytime the 450r comes out on top the YFZ riders try to find a way to make it look horrible

[lukester720]

Cain has raced both on the same track so I'd like to here his opionion on them. I would be more likely to believe what he has to say compared to anyone else because he is the only person I've heard of to race them both on the same track.

[TC17]

i guess Aren's Brothers only makes stuff for the YFZ's, lol, j/k. the 450R can't be that bad if Tim Farr choose it, it won the Baja 1,000 and this guy kicked everyone on a stock 450R. personally, it can't get much better, can it? i think everyone is jumping the gun, i'm not going to run my mouth until i get it in 2 weeks and i see top pros winning or not winning. everyone just needs to chill out for a few months and see how it goes. it has had like 2 races and everyone is all over it. all you have to do it put some 18's on, tighten up the shocks, get a pipe/filter and you're good. i do agree on the HRC kit. i think it's a waste of money. you get a $2 jet, a spark arrestor/end cap, and a cam for $300. that's a waste of money for a cam. i'm getting a pipe, filter, jet and that's all it needs. maybe later retard the timing a little and put a cam in or something. other than that, i think it'll be great competition. the shocks will work great for me, i'm 5'7 at 130 pounds.

[lukester720]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TC17
[B]i guess Aren's Brothers only makes stuff for the YFZ's, lol, j/k. the 450R can't be that bad if Tim Farr choose it, it won the Baja 1,000 and this guy kicked everyone on a stock 450R. personally, it can't get much better, can it? i think everyone is jumping the gun, i'm not going to run my mouth until i get it in 2 weeks and i see top pros winning or not winning.

You'll be waiting longer than 2 weeks the R has been postponed till jan 28th. Get on the trx450r board under "bad news january 28" and you will see what I'm saying

[sparky450AR]

Originally posted by freeride132
no i have eyes, the stock one front tires dont stick out past the fenders, whos that standing on the left?

you must not have eyes, hes on the right:macho

[mudspot440]

Originally posted by TGW_400ex
Why is it that everytime the 450r comes out on top the YFZ riders try to find a way to make it look horrible

Everytime?? you mean once?

[lukester720]

Twice, the R also won the baja 1000.

[TC17]

i just asked my dad, he just told me now. dammit, this sucks! i was planning to get it soon. man, this sucks. o well...atleast i'll have all my parts in by the time it gets here.

[TCracin440ex]

man as much as i love honda...they are really draging *** with this bike....i think they are loosing alot of their fans because of the delays and setbacks...i kno if i was told i was gonna get somethin that day and didnt get it im taking my money and im going someplace else to get something i could get ryte then and there...to hell with the waitin shyt....this is like the wait at a doctors office....your sittin in the loby wonderin what the hell are they going to do to me...or your sittin there for 3 hrs waitin for your name to be called....eventually some will jus get up and leave....others will wait it out...but when they come to the door and call your name its like havin ya 1st nut....incredible....i think the bike will be worth the wait...as long as they have your money....your garenteed to get 1 no matter when the damn thing releases...i think yamaha fans are really start to shake in their boots now...because every time they see the 450r has a victory they have negative shyt to say....

[One_Bad_400]

in the holeshot pic why is is losing against all the yfz's???:confused: thats not a very nice pic to see

[TCracin440ex]

as some 1 said b4....he was loosing on the holeshot because he was ridding an unfamiliar bike that he didnt get to practice on b4 he raced it...or get used to...if he had practiced on it or gotten used to it 1st he woulda been out front in the holeshot

[Jnine]

I've spent a couple days riding both the YFZ and the CRF quads in stock form, and with the factory hop-up kits installed. The fact is, the YFZ will outpull the Honda. Give me the YFZ on the holeshot ANYDAY, on ANY TRACK. The only thing close is my 250R, but actually the YFZ is easier to ride. It has nothng to do with brand loyalty, Cains skills, (he's a very good rider) or anything other than the fact that Yamaha built an excellent quad. BTW, Doug Gust has an excellent chance to repeat his title. I would almost bet on it. He can ride a stock setup like nobody I've ever seen.

Talk to you later!

[MXQUAD294]

Originally posted by jcv400ex

Doug Gust is VERY capable of winning any given weekend. I think he will be a threat this year, but I don't see him defending the title. Lets face it, he finally won his title, got some respect. Will he have the same drive this year with the sponsorship? I dunno, I think he's a top five finisher at the end of the year. But, he's one hell of a racer and one hell of a guy! You'll see more Digger fans out there than anyone. Everyone just likes the guy that doesn't have the top of the line stuff, has that "farm guy" look to him, and gives it 110% every race. He's kinda like the Bill Elliot of ATV Racing.


What do you mean "he finally won his title and got some respect"? He won the Pro title in 1999. And as far being respected, thats just wrong. Doug Gust is probably one of the most respected riders out there!

[TCracin440ex]

dude why does every 1 say gust is running a stock set up on his bike....hes not running stock bore....its a yoshi z450 kit...roll a-arms, and roll swing arm....and on his pro class hes running a TC drz 440 hybrid....with roll a-arms, roll swing arm and all that good junk....both of his bikes are anything but stock...the z450 has a stock frame....but its proallly been gusseted for more strenght

[FBRacing76]

People can talk all they want about the yfz450, but noone can say nothing about the 450r because all people are is hearing stuff the 450r might be better then the yfz we'll never know until there is more then one 450r on the track!

[exrider44]

People can talk all they want about the yfz450, but noone can say nothing about the 450r because all people are is hearing stuff the 450r might be better then the yfz we'll never know until there is more then one 450r on the track!


This sounds right to me..also its preference all you read on here is the yfz is better for this and that. Well nobody has the R yet. I dont believe that some of you rode it. Go back to the yamaha forum if your gonna continue to come here and bash the new R. This is a honda forum. Honda forever!

[Sandgod4]

Originally posted by Jnine
I've spent a couple days riding both the YFZ and the CRF quads in stock form, and with the factory hop-up kits installed. The fact is, the YFZ will outpull the Honda. Give me the YFZ on the holeshot ANYDAY, on ANY TRACK. The only thing close is my 250R, but actually the YFZ is easier to ride. It has nothng to do with brand loyalty, Cains skills, (he's a very good rider) or anything other than the fact that Yamaha built an excellent quad. BTW, Doug Gust has an excellent chance to repeat his title. I would almost bet on it. He can ride a stock setup like nobody I've ever seen.

Talk to you later!

I don't know this guy, but I tend to beleive what he is saying if he has ridden the real CRF and not one of the CRF's stuffed into a 400ex frame or Lonestar frame. My bro owns a YFZ since July 2nd and I just don't see the Honda beating it in ANY category.. The YFZ is an impressive machine.. On paper the Honda comes up short compared to the YFZ on everything and it has to mean something.:rolleyes: taller seat height, shorter legs, less compression, lack of titanium inside, FCR carb. Just my unbiased opinion since I own neither..

[Jnine]

Read through the posts more carefully. I have put a lot of laps on both of these quads in stock and modified form. If you don't believe me, look on the inside cover of Dirt Wheels. My name has been there since the early 90's, which is when I started doing articles and photos for them, and this has nothing to do with a person liking YFZs, LTZs, or TRXs. I've owned Suzukis, Yamahas, and I have 3 Hondas right now, but none of that changes the facts about this new Honda, which is really what this column is about. Facts and information

[Sandgod4]

Cool, just wanted to make sure if it was a Hybrid or the real CRF quad.. Sounds like the Honda fans are gonna being seeing the rear of the Yamaha.. Doesn't matter to me either way, cause I don't ride red, white, or blue. I ride all three.....USA

[norrisboat]

JA,

Have you ridden a trx with aftermarket suspension and aftermarket aarms, axle, etc.

In stock form the trx may not equal the yfz but with full race prepped trx, is a whole different bike.

This case holds water until we can get opinions from individuals with full tricked out race trx's.

agreed.......

to me..... I dont really care about how it compares to the yfz in stock form because my trx will be in no way close to a stock bike.

[JTRtrx250r]

Damn...how many times does he need to re-explain his view on this,Norrisboat..whats the first couple things he says in his last post...again:rolleyes: ,we're all Honda fans,If it was Tim Farr himself giving you his opinion on he matter...would you still doubt him too?:confused: its his views and opinions between both bikes..remember ;) I dont think he comes here for a pissin' match or to be haggled,hes a well qualified person who's honest opinion I value:D

[hondarider2006]

Originally posted by AlaskaTRX
Wouldn't it be funny if Gust wiped everyones' butts next year on a Factory Suzuki LT-Z400?!?! :D

It would take more than a marical for that to happen:D

[gibson400ex]

Originally posted by Jnine
Read through the posts more carefully. I have put a lot of laps on both of these quads in stock and modified form. If you don't believe me, look on the inside cover of Dirt Wheels. My name has been there since the early 90's, which is when I started doing articles and photos for them, and this has nothing to do with a person liking YFZs, LTZs, or TRXs. I've owned Suzukis, Yamahas, and I have 3 Hondas right now, but none of that changes the facts about this new Honda, which is really what this column is about. Facts and information


Jnine who are you????

[250exlogan]

wow all i can say is wow

Originally posted by gibson400ex
Jnine who are you????

John Arens, the frame and chassis builder..;)

[Pappy]

Originally posted by gibson400ex
Jnine who are you????


he is a newbie to the atv world. send him a pm and fill him in :devil: :D

[gibson400ex]

Thanks guys;) John are you done the 400ex frames yet??thew crf450??? some guy i knwo in Pa is waiting on his. it should be a sick arse one

[sparky450AR]

Originally posted by TGW_400ex
Why is it that everytime the 450r comes out on top the YFZ riders try to find a way to make it look horrible

jelousy my friend...this is a picture post, and nothing else

[lukester720]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by EXriders Admin
[B]Anyway, Cain proved to me that the TRX450R was very competitive off the showroom floor by finishing the 1st Moto in 2nd Place and Winning the last Moto in the 30+ Class. In its first MX race against a class full of modified Fourstroke Quads, The TRX450R was Victorous! That was Impressive! For the Record, Cain Smead also won the 30+ Intermediate Class in Round 6 on a YFZ450. He is a very talented racer.

In the last moto did he get any better of a start than he did on the first moto?

[holeshot19]

did it have white bros nerb barsi like the ones on my 400ex, there made by extreme fabrications and i havent had a chance to call wbros thanks.:huh

[Ride400exj]

well i raced with the 450r and hell i have a video of it racing around the track i wasnt happy at all with how it was pulled off the line by my bike a 426ex and i spanked it. i thought it was sad i placed 2nd in 250-400 4 stk int but i have been told that the honda wont wake up like the YZf with the sparks pipe and cam but with the honda it wakes up like a 400ex with about 3 Hp yzfs with a sparks pipe and cam mod the thing is like riding a live bull and the 450r i love honda but i still think i wont buy that bike because NOTHING ON THE FRAME has changed and well the 01 frame i have has cracked everywere im sure they havnt changed the frame and from my looking and i have been told from alot of pros in AZ and other pros i cant name them but the arms and shocks from a 400ex WILL fit the stearing stem will to swingarm is still the same

well i might get flamed from this but if u think im full of it i will have a clip of the 450r riding soon and it wasnt that great

just my two cents and check the glenhelen.com for the full list of points and how everyone finished

[gibson400ex]

Originally posted by Ride400exj
well i raced with the 450r and hell i have a video of it racing around the track i wasnt happy at all with how it was pulled off the line by my bike a 426ex and i spanked it. i thought it was sad i placed 2nd in 250-400 4 stk int but i have been told that the honda wont wake up like the YZf with the sparks pipe and cam but with the honda it wakes up like a 400ex with about 3 Hp yzfs with a sparks pipe and cam mod the thing is like riding a live bull and the 450r i love honda but i still think i wont buy that bike because NOTHING ON THE FRAME has changed and well the 01 frame i have has cracked everywere im sure they havnt changed the frame and from my looking and i have been told from alot of pros in AZ and other pros i cant name them but the arms and shocks from a 400ex WILL fit the stearing stem will to swingarm is still the same

well i might get flamed from this but if u think im full of it i will have a clip of the 450r riding soon and it wasnt that great

just my two cents and check the glenhelen.com for the full list of points and how everyone finished


how were you able to race it???who are you??

[Jnine]

Glad to see an honest post. I don't care what color the bike is, I'm not a cheerleader for any brand, and facts are facts, regardless of any assumed of misplaced loyalty. One correction though... The A-arms will NOT fit from the 400EX or any other bike. The spacing is different, and it is not something that can be shimmed either. It's an all new build. I know this for a fact since I have the dimensions. Also, the stem WILL NOT transfer over either, and neither will the swingarm.

[400grl]

Also - I race in Arizona, and I don't know any pro's in AZ that have even sat on a 450r..........:huh

[Ride400exj]

sorry i ment race with it not race it and with the a arms and stem i will know when i deside to buy a 450r and no one knows for sure if they do or dont its all numbers and blahh and everyone one will know when its done like u can take lone star a arms for a 250r and put them on a 400ex by changing some spacers but i dont think i will have a 450r anytime soon because its cheaper to put my yzf426 motor into the bike its just i dont feel like turning my dirt bike into a pedal bike lol but i still think the best way is to take your 400ex move some motor mounts and put a 450 motor in save some cash get more power then a 450 and kick some ***** and really i dont give a wooohooo what brand or color my bike is if i can win on it who gives a flock


o yeah im not trying to flame its just the facts talk is cheap and i might be wrong but just what i was told and as for the dude who said he knows for a fact they dont fit did u go up to the bike and check or did a frend of a friend of a friend tell ya just asking not talkin *****

[Jnine]

I know what parts will and won't fit because I build frames, stems, a-arms etc for a living. (Check the thread about a new CRF / EX frame) The name of my company is Arens Bros Inc. On this bike I know what the differences are because we have already had our hands on one. There won't be any major parts (and hardly any minor ones) swapping over.

[400grl]

Ride400exj - I think it's a pretty safe bet that of all the people talking about what they think they know about the not yet released 450r, that Mr. Arens is the last person you want to argue with, since he actually KNOWS what he's talking about. Being in his line of work, he has had more exposure to this thing than almost anyone else would have, and I would listen carefully to the facts he decides to divulge about the new Honda.

[Hammer trx450r]

Jnine we deeply appreciate the input!!! Hats off to you guys for all you've done to atv racing over the yrs

[norrisboat]

Ride400exj,

dude, use a period. damn. That is the longest run on I have ever seen.

Originally posted by 400grl
Ride400exj - I think it's a pretty safe bet that of all the people talking about what they think they know about the not yet released 450r, that Mr. Arens is the last person you want to argue with, since he actually KNOWS what he's talking about. Being in his line of work, he has had more exposure to this thing than almost anyone else would have, and I would listen carefully to the facts he decides to divulge about the new Honda.

I think I"ll trust ride400exj's buddie's friends cousins uncles buddy's opinion over John Arens...:huh

:rolleyes:

[ckasper18]

Being a honda dealer for over 40 years i have been there since the first atc/us 90 which i still have today.The atv sport thing was nearly dead till honda realeased the 400ex and look whats happening now to our sport.Thank you MR Honda.As far as kick starting a bike goes if you cant start it you cant ride it.I weigh 128 pounds and i have no problems starting my crf 450 quad starts first kick every time.I have been riding three and four wheelers since 1969 and will ride till my number is up.Yamaha has very nice bikes as well as suzuki and all the other brands that are out there.If no one came out with a bigger and badder quad where would we be thanks to that we have what we have today fast and awesome good handling quads.Honda has dominated sice day one and will dominate for many years to come.I do not care what you ride as long as you ride................Chris

[sparky450AR]

"they should call it a trx450ex"

^This is all bull****! Maybe when i pick up my 450R ill tell the dealer that the quad sucks, because its not different enough. You know, i was expecting wings, or a jet engine so i can fly to the riding area. bull****, what else do you want them to change?

Aluminum frame?...why? its already the lightest quad on the market, keep the list price low!

Geometry? Why would there be a snowballs chance in hell that they would change the geometry very much?

Ill tell you some things we have that are NEW, a liquid cooled motor, kickstart, WEIGHT, shocks with rebound, comp adj!


Honda had it down pat way before yamaha did, thats why all yamahas bikes are so different. It will be an interesting year

[ckasper18]

Three hours and thirty some minutes later the yamaha finally crossed the finish line at the baja....
Need not say the yamaha was tricked out and the honda engine was stock except for a pipe wheels and rims and a large ims gas tank.............................................. ...............

[Hammer trx450r]

well put, sparky

[JTRtrx250r]

After 25 yrs of Honda calling the 2 strokes "R's"....,I do think its pretty lame thay call it an "R":rolleyes:

[Hammer trx450r]

isn't R for racing? lol

[JTRtrx250r]

Originally posted by Hammer trx450r
isn't R for racing? lol haha, yeah..your right:D I know they use the R for a streetbike..but figured that was for pavement haha, Regardless, just glad to see it,or should I say...will be glad to see it when they finally release it:D

[Hammer trx450r]

they should call it trx450L8

[JTRtrx250r]

Originally posted by Hammer trx450r
they should call it trx450L8 LMAO haha:D ..thats good!

[Hammer trx450r]

they hope they dont have too call it TRX452L8

[WKY400EX]

I'm not going to bash the Yamaha or Honda either one. I'll have to give both machines more time than to judge which is "better." I've owned and ridden about everything out there, but for years now, I've been partial to Honda. Even though I've been a BIG Honda fan, doesn't mean that I'm going to say, "Honda's new TRX450R is much better than the Yamaha 450 ever thought about being." Like I said, give it time, let them do battle, and then we'll see who comes out on top.

[jmoney45]

John,
The latest dirt wheels article stated that Honda added extra reinforcements to the frame in spots to handle the abuse from racing. Can you confirm this and if so, does the frame look like it'll be stronger than most stock frames?

[Jnine]

Well, thats a little difficult to answer in some ways. Since it is a new frame, I'm not sure what I would consider as "extra". After talking to the R & D Engineering guys and from seeing it myself, I know they were extremely careful in how they placed any gussetts, and even the shape of those gussets. Too many makes the frame overly stiff, and they definitely wanted it to flex. The frames I saw came from the production tooling, yet after looking at the welds I could see a few places where they had "cleaned them up" with a little extra hand welding or by taking a disc sander to them. They like the tube joining method they used on the EX, (Cheap!) and they are doing that again with this frame. The ones I saw were OK. Nothing to write home about, and definitely not as clean as an aftermarket frame, but OK for production, and it will be like an EX quality frame in production. It will probably be OK for most guys, at least for a while.

You know who has a great looking frame? I really have to give Suzuki credit for their welds on the LTZ frame. They use a LOT of robotic welding on that frame, and that part looks excellent. However, they can't weld everything that way, and they have to finish it up by hand. Probably can't get the torch in some of the tight areas around the front end. Unfortunately, they used an upper tube that is too thin and is not a large enough diameter, and it screws the whole thing in a very short time. There is just not enough strength in some of their tubes. We've sold quite a few frame braces to fix it. Yamaha did a pretty good job as well. The YFZ looks great in many areas.

As for the latest Dirt WHeels, even though I write for them, I kind of take exception to some of their statements this time, especially about the power. I liked it, but I think it still has somes serious issues. I guess I was riding something else.

[XANDADA]

jnine, is it true that the 450r radiator will directly bolt on to a 250r frame? I have heard rumers that it will bolt up and offer substantially better cooling than the old stock 250r radiators. Thanks in advance for your response...

[jmoney45]

Originally posted by Jnine
Well, thats a little difficult to answer in some ways. Since it is a new frame, I'm not sure what I would consider as "extra". After talking to the R & D Engineering guys and from seeing it myself, I know they were extremely careful in how they placed any gussetts, and even the shape of those gussets. Too many makes the frame overly stiff, and they definitely wanted it to flex. The frames I saw came from the production tooling, yet after looking at the welds I could see a few places where they had "cleaned them up" with a little extra hand welding or by taking a disc sander to them. They like the tube joining method they used on the EX, (Cheap!) and they are doing that again with this frame. The ones I saw were OK. Nothing to write home about, and definitely not as clean as an aftermarket frame, but OK for production, and it will be like an EX quality frame in production. It will probably be OK for most guys, at least for a while.

You know who has a great looking frame? I really have to give Suzuki credit for their welds on the LTZ frame. They use a LOT of robotic welding on that frame, and that part looks excellent. However, they can't weld everything that way, and they have to finish it up by hand. Probably can't get the torch in some of the tight areas around the front end. Unfortunately, they used an upper tube that is too thin and is not a large enough diameter, and it screws the whole thing in a very short time. There is just not enough strength in some of their tubes. We've sold quite a few frame braces to fix it. Yamaha did a pretty good job as well. The YFZ looks great in many areas.

As for the latest Dirt WHeels, even though I write for them, I kind of take exception to some of their statements this time, especially about the power. I liked it, but I think it still has somes serious issues. I guess I was riding something else.

Thanks John. I appreciate the time you take to answer the many questions you get. I am completely on the fence as to which machine I will buy this year so I'm trying to get as much good info as possible.

[FASTeR]

Why is it that everytime the 450r comes out on top the YFZ riders try to find a way to make it look horrible

Its won 2 events so far, and i'd hardly call winning in a 30+ a pro rider an accomplishment, I give it credit for the baja, but would be rather easy to blueprint the motor use the hi performance cam and a pipe. Rider makes alot of difference in those races too. Just finishing is an accomplisment. I like the 450r, not as much as the yfz, but I'm hardly a biased rider. I've ran a honda, gasgas, suzuki, yamaha all in the last 2 years. This yfz has everything I want. It's good to see someone like mr.arens come here and give a fair professional opinion from someone who has actually touched, and rode the machine, paper races suck their unfair and biased. Noone will know how the 450r does until it actually becomes available. Right now all this my 450r is better than your yfz450 is ridiculous, you cant even have a 450r yet, unless your one of the chosen ones. I know i've talked to a couple of pro's and none seemed to impressed with the 450r. I'd have to say the reason yamaha has so many models is choice. Honda doesent have a bigbore trail sport atv.. Nor do they have a sport model that a larger rider can ride and feel comfortable on. so i would have to say variety is the spice of life i guess honda hasnt figured that out yet. While suzuki probably has the broadest range of affordable performance with the least amount of models.

[400grl]

Here is a question for Mr. Arens......if you were to buy and race either quad, but were going to leave it pretty much stock (except for pipe,etc.....) - stock suspension, stock shocks......which would you prefer to race and why?

Thanks! :)

[cinigen9]

Originally posted by jmoney45
Thanks John. I appreciate the time you take to answer the many questions you get. I am completely on the fence as to which machine I will buy this year so I'm trying to get as much good info as possible.

ditto.

great info - thanks John!

[Jnine]

Hello again:

That is the big question, isn't it? Which one to own...

I absolutely LOVE the power and handling of the Yamaha. The YFZ quad is so easy to go fast on. It just oozes down the track. Nail the gas, everything to the side get blurry, and before you realize it you have to jam on the brakes for the next corner. And when you get to that corner it will carve it's way around like a starving cheetah after a baby gazelle. It's like nothing I have ever been on, and it's the only quad I would pick over my 250R. However, the new Honda is very good as well. Very predictable, although a little less exciting, but Honda all the way. Feels EXACTLY like sitting on on EX, with a little more power, and a pretty good set of stock shocks with a LOT of adjustment. They both have their place, and I really don't think you can go wrong. If you are going to buy one mostly for racing however, the Yamaha will be almost impossible to beat on the track, and there is very little work it will need to really wake up the motor. Turn the cam 1 notch, pop off the airbox lid, install a pipe, and let loose the baby gazelles.

You won't be disappointed with either however. Should be a great year!

[Hammer trx450r]

Jnine thanks again for stepping up and letting us know about things. Its horrible being left in the dark. And it's nice to finally come on and read something constructive. You are a welcome voice to the things I want to know about

[MXQUAD294]

Originally posted by Jnine

And when you get to that corner it will carve it's way around like a starving cheetah after a baby gazelle.



You must really love the Discovery channel! :D

[seatec]

Turn the cam 1 notch, pop off the airbox lid, install a pipe, and let loose the baby gazelles.
Not to nitpick but you forgot the all important Jetting that it so deperately needs even in stock form.
Just trying to help:p

[400grl]

Originally posted by Jnine
Hello again:

That is the big question, isn't it? Which one to own...

I absolutely LOVE the power and handling of the Yamaha. The YFZ quad is so easy to go fast on. It just oozes down the track. Nail the gas, everything to the side get blurry, and before you realize it you have to jam on the brakes for the next corner. And when you get to that corner it will carve it's way around like a starving cheetah after a baby gazelle. It's like nothing I have ever been on, and it's the only quad I would pick over my 250R. However, the new Honda is very good as well. Very predictable, although a little less exciting, but Honda all the way. Feels EXACTLY like sitting on on EX, with a little more power, and a pretty good set of stock shocks with a LOT of adjustment. They both have their place, and I really don't think you can go wrong. If you are going to buy one mostly for racing however, the Yamaha will be almost impossible to beat on the track, and there is very little work it will need to really wake up the motor. Turn the cam 1 notch, pop off the airbox lid, install a pipe, and let loose the baby gazelles.

You won't be disappointed with either however. Should be a great year!

Thanks again for always being there to answer our questions!! A full-time job I am sure!! ;)

This choice is killing me people........I have Honda in my veins.....I adored my 440.....it was like a part of me. Every Yamaha I have ever been on just never felt as much of an extension of my body as my Honda did. With my Honda, I forgot I was even on a quad most of the time!!! I didn't think about shifting, throttling, braking, turning.....I just thought about my race. Hard to explain, but some of you might get it. Not to mention I never doubted for a second that my quad would start - make it through a race - and be ready for another one without having to touch a wrench to it.

And now Yamaha had to go and come up with THIS!!!!:macho What are they trying to do to me??? Right when I had my Yami loving boyfriend convinced that the Honda was the way to go.......:grr: :rolleyes: What a decision.........I keep waiting for a major flaw to pop up....something to make this choice easier for me......but NOOOOOOO....everyone LOVES it!!! :) ;)

So.....my major dilemma is this.....my instincts say to go with the Honda - what I am most comfortable on and what I've had such excellent experience with. But I don't want to have a power disadvantage. I don't want to lose a race because my quad is not fast enough. On the other hand......when have I ever actually raced a quad to it's full potential??? So....the power advantage would be a moot point for me!! Right?? Then why do I still care about it??? Wouldn't it make more sense for me to get the quad I am most comfortable on??? Then why do I still think about the Yami???

Does this choice have anyone else as messed up as me? Cuz it's making me nutz.......:grr: ;)

[FASTeR]

perhaps you should ride both, saying your most comfortable on the trx450r is kinda hard to say since it isnt out yet. Its not hard to get comfortable on the yfz especially if you have a small frame ;) which i'm sure you do :) Even tho the seat is kinda hard.. but we wont go there :D

[400grl]

Faster - I would love to ride both. I had the chance to sit on and start the 450R last week.....it's ergo's from what i could tell are excellent....very comfortable sitting/standing positions. I didn't get to check it out in motion, however......bummer! That would help a lot.......I really need to get them both out to a track and check them out....I have ridden a YFZ, too - but it was a while ago and I need to get on one again and pay much closer attention!!

Oh! And the seats were about the same firmness.....but that's OK- I don't spend a lot of time on the seat anyway......and I'm spoiled anyway with the Banshee seat!!! :)

[Hammer trx450r]

Corry you rapped it up in a nutshell. How can a hot blonde be in my head about what quad to buy. I want the best quad for the mx track thats it. Both quads will do for everything else. When it comes down to it its lap times. so comfort good brakes and good power wins. honda

[Scottie Mac]

Girl,

I had an aftermarket YZ based quad before I got my YFZ, and it took maybe two laps to get used to the YFZ. I am faster on my new YFZ than I ever was on my LSR426. Power wise, I really don;t think there is going to be a huge gap between either motor. As most intelligent people will tell you, it comes down to rider anyway. If you are most comfortable on the old 400ex, get the Honda. Because, being comfortable on a machine, makes you more apt to go faster on the track, and that is what it all comes down to.

I wouldn't trade my YFZ set up the way I have it for anything. But, you are starting from scratch, and just because one person thinks a machine is perfect, doesn't mean the next person is going to think the same.

Good Luck,
Scott

[Scottie Mac]

Funny, I wouldn't have thought that Michigan would have been the first delivery spot for a 450R. You say your dealer friend has a Honda, a TRX450R honda? I didn't know it was Jan. 28th.

Scott

[Jnine]

This thread is getting to be BS... You show me 1 dealer in this state (Michigan) that has a TRX, and I will be there tomorrow to see it myself, just to verify it! Yet somehow you (ARO) were able to ride one for "ten minutes in the woods" and have all the facts. Come clean with the dealer name, and I'll call them in the morning... And all the ranting about how the Honda is better than the YFZ for whatever reason..... You can make that call by the photos and the "paid off racers" as you claim? Am I one of those? I was at the intro for both, and I spent a day riding on each.... I didn't see any of the troubles with the Yamaha, or you (Aro-Misinformation) at either intro. In fact, I've got grips older than you... Yet you claim the Kick start is "Like kicking air". Tell me 1 feature that you could only know by being on the TRX in person and I will believe you. As an expert like yourself, with all your years of experience with quads and riding, tell me the following details about the new Honda... Describe in detail the 1:Fan and it's mounting 2:Carb and some of the special features 3:Headlight mounting 4:Grips, controls, and andjustments and what makes them slighlty different. 5:A unique feature in the engine that should help deter oil starvation.

An observant expert like yourself should have no trouble with any of these questions.

[AlaskaSpeed]

Always nice to see Mr. Arens laying the smack down....lmao JIM

[AlaskaSpeed]

Originally posted by aroracer72
My local dealer, which im friends with the manager, has both the yfz and the honda. I think Arens oppinnion is a good one, and i would take that into thought, but you gotta realize..hes a expert rider..and so are the pros who are talking about them. I got to ride both, and i love them both. I have a cannondale right now..and finally theres quads that i wont be able to smoke!!...these things are BOTH awesome. But, i liked the honda just a smidgeon better. Im not a favorer of either brand, i am a dale loyalist, but i like the honda better. It DID NOT remind me of a 400ex...more of my 250r i use to have before my dale. The yfz was fast..and was very fun..but once ii hit a couple tricky bumps..or awkward..unexpected turns....it seemed like a yamaha.....it handled it good..but felt that if i wasnt an advanced rider..or didnt have muscle to overpower it..i would have lost it. The honda was as easy to ride as a 400ex....but MUCH faster..and MUCH more stable and nible, reminds me of my 250r..just with a different kind of power.
MY OPPINION CONTINUED ON NEXT REPLY

I don't know what YFZ you rode on "tricky" bumps or "unexpected" turns, but I know I don't consider myself an expert rider by any means.....and I find your review full of holes and bs to be honest.
I was actually surprised at just how stable the YFZ felt....even totally stock. I know for a fact my stock Cannondale Speed didn't feel near as stable in stock for stock comparison on the track. The YFZ felt much wider than it is, had tons of power and the stock shocks were the best stockers I have ridden. JIM

Originally posted by aroracer72
If i were to gve up my dale..id be getting the honda...and why people think the yfz is better..and faster and cooler..is cause it came out first..and there blinded by advertisements...and payed off racers. Im not calling the people who say the yfz is better or greta..liers..im saying they have had a chance to get in love with it..and are being asked to ride them..and they cant say real bad things. And stop whinning about the kick start..its like kicking air, it was TOO SURPRISINGLY easy to start. And another decision factor for you is that yamaha has already had battery falures...transmission problems..even though it isnt with all the quads..and you wont prolly see them..or many of them anymore..thats still people that are bumming. Youll NVEVER experience that on a honda. Im keeping my dale, but if you want a persons oppinion..thats just like you....id be loading up the new honda in my vehicle..not the yammie..but before you buy..i suggest to ride both. And not listen to owners of either...i own neither...ii own the third enemy..a cannondale.....but i bilieve the honda is just....better..and just easy to ride, very easy.
well htis is just an average Joe Smoes racer oppinnion, hope this helps.,
CHAD


:rolleyes: what transmission problems???? the early ones battery over heating problems i havent heard anything since, and apparently some of the shifting drums are rough or something it goes away after a few oil changes, other than that the only problems ive heard of have been from rider error

my yfz doesnt feel like that over bumps, it handles 10 times better than my ex, easier to move around on goes where u steer it, you cant even compare the 2, a 400ex is like taking a xr 400 and modding it and putting it against a yz 450 just think about it......oh yeah ive seen alot of blow 400ex trannies i guess some 00 and 01s had problems, ive also heard rumors of 03 had a bad batch of cranks

i thought you never see that on a honda?

i havent seen one yfz rider claim he shouldnt of bought it, yamaha has alot of very satisfied customers



you never see this on a honda?

http://www.hetrickracing.com/400rodopps1.jpg

before you put down the yfz own one

not bashing honda just making a point

[Hammer trx450r]

ouch!!! I told you your wedding ring wouldnt double as a rod bearing. lol

[Hammer trx450r]

or Who told you a blaster crank would fit a 400 ex. damn i'm funny

[Hammer trx450r]

oh!!! they take oil:huh

[Hammer trx450r]

sorry if that is yours dude but that IS the saddest shape i ever seen a motor. way to run it hard i think

[ckasper18]

I rode a yamaha yfz several times and i thought it was awesome.I also ride my 400ex all the time and it is awesome.My crf 450 quad is incrediable.The ex put the sport quad market on the map and it was built as a sport machine.The trx450r is a race machine and cant wait till i take the first one out of the crate and fire it up.There must be something special about it for it finished 3 and a half hours in front of the first yamaha and a 400ex even beet it a cross the line.There was two trx450r racing the baja and both quads beat the yami.The yamaha is fun to ride lots of horsepower and evn handled great and is a great machine and several of my customers own them and they all like them.Nothing is un breakable and if you think it is let me get my hands on it for a day or two.I dont care what you ride as long as you ride life is short enjoy every minute of it.Most people who spend a ton of money on any kind of machine is going to tell you its awesome because it belongs to them the only people who comp;ain they dont like anything.I will wait for the first honda to arrive at my dealership and i will take it from there.Ride what you have and just be happy

[Scottie Mac]

Mr. Arens,

Yes, I too, thought that aro-idiots post was quite funny. This 12 year old was also all over ******** back in Oct-Nov telling everyone that his "cousin's, sisters, brother" works for Honda and "new for a fact" that the new Honda was an alluminum framed, oval pistoned, long travel straight out of the box racer. Nuff said. Parents should really linit the amount of time their children can play on the new fangled computer.

As far as the hole Baja thing goes, rider is darn near 100% in a race like that. Last year, Honda won the Baja on a Ricon. Beating all of the one off 400exs, 250rs and everything else. What does that tell you?? And evenif something looks stock, doesn;t mean it is stock internally. Jeremiah Jones won the pro class this year on a 265R. Does that mean that we should all run out and buy 250Rs to race? No, it means that the best rider won.

Again, said it before, I'l say it again, IF you are interested in getting a 450, ride both and MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND. WOW, what a novel idea.


Scott

Originally posted by Hammer trx450r
sorry if that is yours dude but that IS the saddest shape i ever seen a motor. way to run it hard i think


thats not mine and and thats a 400 ex motor kablam

you honda owners always got excuses;)

Originally posted by ckasper18
I rode a yamaha yfz several times and i thought it was awesome.I also ride my 400ex all the time and it is awesome.My crf 450 quad is incrediable.The ex put the sport quad market on the map and it was built as a sport machine.The trx450r is a race machine and cant wait till i take the first one out of the crate and fire it up.There must be something special about it for it finished 3 and a half hours in front of the first yamaha and a 400ex even beet it a cross the line.There was two trx450r racing the baja and both quads beat the yami.The yamaha is fun to ride lots of horsepower and evn handled great and is a great machine and several of my customers own them and they all like them.Nothing is un breakable and if you think it is let me get my hands on it for a day or two.I dont care what you ride as long as you ride life is short enjoy every minute of it.Most people who spend a ton of money on any kind of machine is going to tell you its awesome because it belongs to them the only people who comp;ain they dont like anything.I will wait for the first honda to arrive at my dealership and i will take it from there.Ride what you have and just be happy


its good to see some intelligent opinions but didnt a ds 650 also place up there in baja? what riders did honda have? id have to say with 450r and yfz its gonan be preference

[ckasper18]

Yes the ds 650 finished 2nd overall 33 minutes behind the honda. Tjey did a great job also.The 400ex was 3rd and a trx450r was 4th and the yfz was 5th.

[Hammer trx450r]

oh aroracer72 we are waiting on you zzzzzzzzz

[Hammer trx450r]

Originally posted by Controversial
thats not mine and and thats a 400 ex motor kablam

you honda owners always got excuses;)
they wer jokes , kinda like these posts

i know of at least 3-4 guys who had trannies go, thats locally i cant imagine nationally

[TGW_400ex]

Originally posted by Controversial
i know of at least 3-4 guys who had trannies go, thats locally i cant imagine nationally

maybe those 3-4 guys were really hard on there transmisions

[Scottie Mac]

ANY quad can be broken, there are no immortal transmissions or motors. More often than not, proper maintenance is the difference between an "reliable" machine and an "unreliable" machine. True, there are those few model years that have had problems, such as the early year Raptors. Frame failures are going to happen if you routinely hit 60-90 ft jumps. I have seen EX frames darn near fold in half that were not properly gusseted, same with Suzukis.

Any quad that is intended to be raced is going to have more transmission failures/ frame failures than a quad designed to be trail ridden because of the stress put on them.

Scott

[Hammer trx450r]

look they build frames to a fine line of strength to flexability. they can build you a frame that wont break if ya want to drive a tank.

Originally posted by TGW_400ex
maybe those 3-4 guys were really hard on there transmisions

you cant be hard on a tranny


im just making the point everything breaks

[Hammer trx450r]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Controversial
[B]you cant be hard on a tranny


thats what i tell the guy who fixes my tranny's lol

[ckasper18]

It dont take much to wreck a tranny just miss a gear a couple times or hit a jump and land with your foot on the shifter and you can have all kinds of troubles.Break a tooth off a gear and let it float around in there for a while and you will have a big mess.Honda Yamaha Kawasaki Cannondale Suzuki they all will have problems.I have repaired trannys from just about everything that has two wheels or 3 wheels or 4.Racing as long as i have i cant even tell you what i broke trannies cranks case halves valves cams pistons and so on and on and on.Just ask any pro rider some of the stuff he broke and he will have a list that goes on forever. On the gas and full blast things will break even if you are easy on them.We could start a new post on stuff that racers had broke and it would be the 80 pages long .Yamaha Honda Kawasaki Suzuki Cannondale Polaris they are all well built machines but nothing is unbreakable and if you think yours is you atre so wrong.Ride what you have and enjoy it life is to short.....Chris

[Scottie Mac]

Originally posted by ckasper18
It dont take much to wreck a tranny just miss a gear a couple times or hit a jump and land with your foot on the shifter and you can have all kinds of troubles.Break a tooth off a gear and let it float around in there for a while and you will have a big mess.Honda Yamaha Kawasaki Cannondale Suzuki they all will have problems.I have repaired trannys from just about everything that has two wheels or 3 wheels or 4.Racing as long as i have i cant even tell you what i broke trannies cranks case halves valves cams pistons and so on and on and on.Just ask any pro rider some of the stuff he broke and he will have a list that goes on forever. On the gas and full blast things will break even if you are easy on them.We could start a new post on stuff that racers had broke and it would be the 80 pages long .Yamaha Honda Kawasaki Suzuki Cannondale Polaris they are all well built machines but nothing is unbreakable and if you think yours is you atre so wrong.Ride what you have and enjoy it life is to short.....Chris

Best post on this entire thread..


Scott

[WKY400EX]

Originally posted by Scottie Mac
Best post on this entire thread..


Scott Agreed.:)

[TGW_400ex]

Originally posted by ckasper18
It dont take much to wreck a tranny just miss a gear a couple times or hit a jump and land with your foot on the shifter and you can have all kinds of troubles.Break a tooth off a gear and let it float around in there for a while and you will have a big mess.Honda Yamaha Kawasaki Cannondale Suzuki they all will have problems.I have repaired trannys from just about everything that has two wheels or 3 wheels or 4.Racing as long as i have i cant even tell you what i broke trannies cranks case halves valves cams pistons and so on and on and on.Just ask any pro rider some of the stuff he broke and he will have a list that goes on forever. On the gas and full blast things will break even if you are easy on them.We could start a new post on stuff that racers had broke and it would be the 80 pages long .Yamaha Honda Kawasaki Suzuki Cannondale Polaris they are all well built machines but nothing is unbreakable and if you think yours is you atre so wrong.Ride what you have and enjoy it life is to short.....Chris

I dont know about Polaris tho they break just sitin there:eek2:

[Adrenalinerush]

:eek2: thats all i have to say

[XANDADA]

Originally posted by TGW_400ex
I dont know about Polaris tho they break just sitin there:eek2:

lol:blah:

[ckasper18]

I am not one who cuts ant brand of macjine down and thats why i included the polaris in on my last post but do you know what one of my customers says polaris stands for
P..PUSH

[ckasper18]

sORRY HIT THE WRONG BUTTON
P PUSH O OFF L LAND A AND R REPAIR I IN S SHOP That comes from a customer who owns a polaris he also says its like a yo yo hook it to the service door and it always comes back. Just thought i would share that with you

[norrisboat]

I thought this was race coverage and not quad bashing.

[ckasper18]

Sorry if i offended any body i like any one that rides. Polaris is a great machine just like i posted a few threads back.I sell afternarket products to every one no matter what you ride .It started out as the trx450 test at glen helen and then went to who broke what and which bike is good or bad.There all good quads just be happy you are not sick and have a job so you can ride what ever you choose.Life is to short just ride what you have and enjoy every minute of it.

[quads_4_life]

what a-arms and axle was he using and how much do they add and cost?

[ckasper18]

Just recieved my hop up kit today.Which means the quads shou;d be arriving soon.Its been a long time since a hrc box had somrthing to do with quads.The bad thing is we got six of thjem sold with money down and three mor on the list which means i may have to drool over them before me a honda dealer can get one of his own.I am almost willing to pay full retail so i can have my own but dealer cost is always nice.I know how most of you feel on waiting and i hate to wait.Its not so bad when everyone else is waiting but as they roll off the showroom floor its like having candy stold from you as a kid.At least i get to take it out of the crate and fondle it a while before i start it up and take it for a spin in the parking lot but then i have to get off of it and watch some one else leave with it and watch it go.My job working at the honda shop i thought was great but this part of it sucks.

[whitebrothers]

is this the itp quadcross series? on the 12th if so i was there though i could not see this going on because after the second lap of the beg practice i ate it on the table and was sitting in a ambulance, i did get to see Creech ride though and i thought it was wicked.
i paid 45$ to do two laps and have an ambulance ride that blowed!

[lukester720]

Did the ambulance have a pipe? How did it handle through the whoops? Just kidding man I hope your doing fine. What caused you to wreck?

[whitebrothers]

I jumped to close to a guy on a yfz450 and i caught his quad on the landing and it just threw me off i was mabey 10 ft in the air doing 3rd pinned over the table. My quad flipped over on top of me i dont remember anything until the ambulance got there.
they said i had a sever concusion and a bad bang on my hip
i could barely walk for two weeks but it was my fault, i want to race again soon. i got 20 points for the race that i didnt ride in but hey the first lap was cool!

[Tiger24]

I just bought a 2005 TRX450 R, what are some good aftermarket parts for it, i want a good exhaust system, Air Intakes, im not using it for racing, just for enjoyment. What does the HOnda-Hop-UP kit actually do?

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Originally posted by Tiger24
I just bought a 2005 TRX450 R, what are some good aftermarket parts for it, i want a good exhaust system, Air Intakes, im not using it for racing, just for enjoyment. What does the HOnda-Hop-UP kit actually do?

Check out the TRX450R section for many of the answers to your questions, and also look out for the release of my new 450R Project that I will the showcasing in the next few weeks