how does your 440 stand up to the raptor,kawi 700 predator in a drag race?

[duneittilludie]

Me and the wife just got back from the dunes today where she had a chance to run her 440 against a kawi 700 and she beat him by at least three quad lengths in a 300 foot uphill sand drag.I have also seen her beat stock yfz 450s and she can easily take a stock raptor so just out of curiosity how do your 440s stack up against these quads?This post is not to brag about her performance i would just like to hear how her results compare with yours.Thanks for any replies.

[airheadedduner]

I could tow them up the hill faster then they can make it on their own:devil:

Ok, so I am exagerating a little, but I have had no problems leaving them in the dust. I found my 440 does better on hill climbs then in the flats. I have a much easier time whoopin on people there.

[dariusld]

I don't have a 440, but I've beat piped Raptors and the 700. But the stock 450 kicks my butt easily.

[rhandw69]

Perhaps it could have been certain circumstances,,er riding ability, but i really dont think power vs speed and the whole 9 , that a 4 50 is faster than the YFZs.

[twisted threads]

My 440 has beat those bikes also. And same with airheadedduner when on the hills I can really pull away on most of them.

[airheadedduner]

Originally posted by twisted threads
My 440 has beat those bikes also. And same with airheadedduner when on the hills I can really pull away on most of them.
Going by your sig we have very similar mods. I have a WB Pro meg, I don't know the grind on my web cam it is more mid-top. Everything else is about the same.

[markeg192]

You guys run those bikes so let me ask you what you think about the Predator. How fast are they compared to the other bikes mentioned?

[Chef]

Theres a 10-12 mph speed difference on the TT track in the front stretch between my EX and the Predators and Raptors. I put about 4 quad lenghts on a V-Force in like 150 feet of dirt. In the sand, I dont really know what the true out come would be, as the last time I was there with my 400 it wouldnt run for hell, but I was still beating them by a good 4-5 lengths with WOT cut outs..

[airheadedduner]

Originally posted by markeg192
You guys run those bikes so let me ask you what you think about the Predator. How fast are they compared to the other bikes mentioned?
Personally I am dissipointed with how the predetor goes. It puts up good numbers but they don't feel like they go:confused: Even the modded ones I have seen arn't that quick.

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by airheadedduner
Personally I am dissipointed with how the predetor goes. It puts up good numbers but they don't feel like they go:confused: Even the modded ones I have seen arn't that quick. Thats funny.. I was just about to say the same thing about the comparison with ours on the track, Troys has pulled just about everything out here except PRO class Mods so far.Now with a CDI in hand and a Cam and piston coming son, it will be even better.....I think alot has to do with rider and how properly dialed in they are.To say that a Predator isnt very dfast is Nuts!:) and the mid range is awesome. But I do know a good runnin 440 will pull hard on a with a PRedator and will smoke a Rappy. Its that REV limiter that hinders it

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by Chef
Theres a 10-12 mph speed difference on the TT track in the front stretch between my EX and the Predators and Raptors. I put about 4 quad lenghts on a V-Force in like 150 feet of dirt. In the sand, I dont really know what the true out come would be, as the last time I was there with my 400 it wouldnt run for hell, but I was still beating them by a good 4-5 lengths with WOT cut outs.. Chef~~~ You should see how that 700 does on the short track!:eek: Must be something with the Auto transmission or something, I beat one last wk end. They cant hold a corner well on the short track, but on the Fast track it smokes me in power:o

[airheadedduner]

Originally posted by QuadJunkies
Thats funny.. I was just about to say the same thing about the comparison with ours on the track, Troys has pulled just about everything out here except PRO class Mods so far.Now with a CDI in hand and a Cam and piston coming son, it will be even better.....I think alot has to do with rider and how properly dialed in they are.To say that a Predator isnt very dfast is Nuts!:) and the mid range is awesome. But I do know a good runnin 440 will pull hard on a with a PRedator and will smoke a Rappy. Its that REV limiter that hinders it
To me its not the pred is slow, its like it is under geared. It feels like I need to shift all the time. It has the power, but its like it can't use it:huh I think the cam will help a lot, maybe drop a few teeth off the rear sproket. For me, they feel funny.

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by airheadedduner
To me its not the pred is slow, its like it is under geared. It feels like I need to shift all the time. It has the power, but its like it can't use it:huh I think the cam will help a lot, maybe drop a few teeth off the rear sproket. For me, they feel funny. you are Def right about the gearing. It Def. needs a Rev box without a doubt! Its WAY too overprtected for what it has to offer;) .We done just that and changed the gearing its helped alot but still needs a CDI. We will have ours on this next wk end. Im anxious to try it out with the new piston and Cam:blah: but that will have to follow after the holidays. Im just not too thrilled about having to run Race gas as much as we ride thats going to cost a fortune:eek2:

[twisted threads]

I got to agree that if your running up against the predator with pipes there going to be fast if the rider knows what he is doing. I don't think my 440 is faster than the YFZ450 that has pipes but Im sure that my 440 has more torque than they do but once the new trx450 comes out and you put a little money into it I think you will see a fun bike to ride.

[trx440]

My old CT440 would outrun one of my buddies pump gas 686 Raptor [stock cam/carb, Graydon exhaust] by 3 or 4 lengths at Olds. I out weigh him by 60lbs too.

Another friends 686 freak - no holds barred - Raptor would beat me by 10-15 and would still be pulling. But I never saw that bike get beat by anything but a long swingarmed built 250R/Banshee.

I never was beaten by another 400ex at Glamis in 2 seasons. I know there are much faster ones, I just never raced them. Plus there is something to say about being an ex-MXer and having a quad that is built to go through the whoops. Most times I'm tapped in 3rd in the whoops and shifting into fourth coming out. By then I have a big lead that is hard to overcome unless you have 20hp more than me and my 440 was a low to mid 40's bike

One time we were riding with Greg Row and his family and we raced Freeway hill at Gordon's Well. He was on his Desert Racing DS. We were side by side from the start to the top of the hill both times. I was very suprised that I could get through the whoops as fast as him. His bike obviously had some internal mods as his bike would run wheel for wheel with me. Piped DS's were usually 5-6 bikes behind me.

[duneittilludie]

TRX440-My wifes 440 is not the fastest but it sure is impressive to see her beat some of the quads that she runs against because most people are not expecting a ex to run that fast.I have a mild built 686 raptor(stock carb-stock cam -102mm 11;1 piston -pro design air filter and pipe ) and if i dont do everything just right in a 300 foot uphill sand drag she can hang right with me or beat me depending on the start.I am going to have an extended swingarm put on for the wife so she can launch harder off the line when she races and i think that will make quite a difference.The funny part is the way so many guys just hate to lose to a woman regardless of the circumstances but i get a real kick out of watching her.We found that getting just the right mix of 110 octane fuel mixed with premium pump gas makes a huge difference when you are running a higher compression motor and in fact we gained probably two quad lengths in performance when we found the right mixture.

[trx440]

Bingo!

I used to run my bike on a 50-50 mix of Sunoco MX 114 and Amoco/Shell Premium. It wasn't picky about the weather at the dunes with that mixture. If I ran straight 110 or above it was.

I tried the VP Ultimate 4 and it just didn't have that kick that I was looking for.

If you are mostly into duning don't over a +2 on the swingarm. If you have aftermarket a-arms I hope they are +0 forward [width won't make a difference] If they are +1 forward, the addition of a +2 swingarm will cause some very noticable pushing in the sand. A standard MX +1 1/4 swing arm might be better.

Healthy 440 or bigger EX's are very difficult to launch. Before I sold my 440 I had a stock swingarm on it and believe it or not I learned how to get it through the whoops just fine. I would hang my body over the bars, rev her to the moon and drop the cluth while in 2nd. I would keep my foot under the shifter and power shift into 3rd as soon as the front end would start coming down while at the same time getting into an mx position to go through the whoops.

I am going to build a 505 stroker EX this summer and I will be using +3w, +0f long travel a-arms and a +3 swingarm. From my experimenting I feel this will be the best combo forthe hill and general duning.

[Chef]

Originally posted by trx440


I tried the VP Ultimate 4 and it just didn't have that kick that I was looking for.



Try it with a little richer main...it might help. I went back to Trick 110 for a weekend when I was out of VP and didnt change the jets back, and there was a noticeable difference.

[Braff1]

While I am not a duner I have been racing my predator XC. I am consistantly in the top 3 on the holeshot. My biggest problem is the width of the preadator. The Power is awesome and predictable. I am running a 13t counter with a 38 rear. While it has taken a good bit of the top end away i can easily drop back to the 37 and haul booty.

Tina, let me know how the CDI does on Troy's Predator. The CDI or Full Bore Plasitic is my next item. What cams are you looking at for your Pred? Do they recommend just intake or exhaust or both?

Dan

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by Braff1
While I am not a duner I have been racing my predator XC. I am consistantly in the top 3 on the holeshot. My biggest problem is the width of the preadator. The Power is awesome and predictable. I am running a 13t counter with a 38 rear. While it has taken a good bit of the top end away i can easily drop back to the 37 and haul booty.

Tina, let me know how the CDI does on Troy's Predator. The CDI or Full Bore Plasitic is my next item. What cams are you looking at for your Pred? Do they recommend just intake or exhaust or both?

Dan Dan, Yes, Intake and Exhaust are REQUIRED to run the Vortex at all settings, to run up to around 9150 you can get away with the Valve springs. The Vortex is geting put on The end of next week, and the Cam and Pstion in a few more weeks.:D As for Cams, looks like all that really out there is the WEB Came and one other ( I cant remember what Its called right off hand:confused: ) Daryl Rath has one supposedly,but I dont knopw when it will be avail. So we will prol end up with a WEB cam:)

[Cripple]

how do your 440s do against mildly modded 250rs and banshees?

[Braff1]

Originally posted by QuadJunkies
Dan, Yes, Intake and Exhaust are REQUIRED to run the Vortex at all settings, to run up to around 9150 you can get away with the Valve springs. The Vortex is geting put on The end of next week, and the Cam and Pstion in a few more weeks.:D As for Cams, looks like all that really out there is the WEB Came and one other ( I cant remember what Its called right off hand:confused: ) Daryl Rath has one supposedly,but I dont knopw when it will be avail. So we will prol end up with a WEB cam:)

Does the cam require hardened rockers for the predator? When I put the HotCam stage 1 in my 400 ex it really woke it up.

Dan

[markeg192]

Originally posted by Cripple
how do your 440s do against mildly modded 250rs and banshees?

Pretty good unless the Banshee has porting then I get spanked. You just can't beat a built banshee period.

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by Braff1
Does the cam require hardened rockers for the predator? When I put the HotCam stage 1 in my 400 ex it really woke it up.

Dan nope. no rockers needed........:D Im going to order the Cam and piston on Fri as a belated gift for him....OH boy........is HE going to be surprised!:macho

[Braff1]

Tina, does Troy know how lucky he is to have a wife that gets excited about cams and high compression pistons? I just wish my wife understood the importance of a performance upgrades, how important beadlocks and quality shocks are. let me know how the cams come out. I am more interested in the bottom end increase, so let me know.

Dan

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by Braff1
Tina, does Troy know how lucky he is to have a wife that gets excited about cams and high compression pistons? I just wish my wife understood the importance of a performance upgrades, how important beadlocks and quality shocks are. let me know how the cams come out. I am more interested in the bottom end increase, so let me know.

Dan I think he knows....and I try to remind him of it every chance I get!!!! LOL!:o :p J/P;) I was looking today to see if JE had a piston?:confused: didnt have one that I could see.So I guess it will be a Weisco. That surprised me a bit, so far I think only Cams are WEB cam, HPD,Daryl Rath has one he is working on (that was a rumor so Im not positive on it yet) , Electra( I know NOTHING ABOUT,but heard its a great piston).. I will let you know how it all pans out .hopefully will be ready in the next week or two....Now I need to get some GET UP:macho for my 400ex for this spring.........