? abotu 416 kit

[WhiteBros400ex]

how much does a 416 kit cost and do u have to resleve or anythign and r they reliable.

[UglyMotha™]

reliable, you don't need to re-sleeve, and give c&d racing a call there numbers at the top of the page, they'll hook ya up with everything and at a good price

it will cost u newhere from $300-$600

[01yellow400ex]

i just bought the 416 kit from them 2 days ago and got it today..but anywho i payed 120.00 for the piston and 40.oo for the gasket

OOO my price is off...sry...thats including like a cam and stuff...i dunno the exact prices then...but it should be around $150-$300 then

[mack400ex]

are you happy with that 416 kit? what compression ratio you running? can you notice a great increase in power or what is it better in the bottom mid or top? also what does the entire kit include...? and is it wise to get a cam? thanks for your help.

[Ex'r Marlin]

If you get anything larger than your existing bore size, like a 416 in your case, you will need to have the cylinder bored. ($$$)

The aftermarket lighter weight piston will make a noticeable improvement alone. You will feel a more responsive improvement if you go with a higher compression piston too, but that may come with a price of having heating problems and the need for race gas. Those with a stock exhaust will most likely need an aftermarket to work well with the modifications.

My 2 cents... Since you have a 2002, I would recommend a higher compression "stock bore" piston, like a 10.5 to 1, 10.8 to 1, or 11 to 1, and an aftermarket cam since you will be going into the engine. This will make a noticeable improvement without the downtime, expense, and possible need of race gas.

Good luck!

[WhiteBros400ex]

k thankz

uh dude...boring isnt expensive...like u r makin it sound...sparks boring is $60 and a local shop can do the job for around $40...and u will have no problems with heat with nething under 11:1 or 11:1 itself...and yes it makes a huge difference...and yes i would go with exhaust and a cam along with a port/polish to help ur 416 be a power monster...with this combo u should see an entire powerband increase...i would also recommend a new carb such as the FCR 39mm or just a boring of the carb done by sparks or rocky ridge...along with this i would reccommend a rev box...not because it gives u more rpm range but because it also alters your powerband...giving you more power in key positions...this setup should give u the most power for the least amount of money...i am very happy with my 416 kit...there is no kit that i kno of...i bought all of my parts seperate...but im sure someone makes 1...u would just have to look for it

[pnut420]

Originally posted by XxHonda_RacerxX
uh dude...boring isnt expensive...like u r makin it sound...sparks boring is $60 and a local shop can do the job for around $40...and u will have no problems with heat with nething under 11:1 or 11:1 itself...and yes it makes a huge difference...and yes i would go with exhaust and a cam along with a port/polish to help ur 416 be a power monster...with this combo u should see an entire powerband increase...i would also recommend a new carb such as the FCR 39mm or just a boring of the carb done by sparks or rocky ridge...along with this i would reccommend a rev box...not because it gives u more rpm range but because it also alters your powerband...giving you more power in key positions...this setup should give u the most power for the least amount of money...i am very happy with my 416 kit...there is no kit that i kno of...i bought all of my parts seperate...but im sure someone makes 1...u would just have to look for it

I agree with you 100%. Thanks for saving me some typing... Anyway, the 416 bore is going to give about a 1-2hp gain right there, if you ask me a $40 bore at a local shop is the way to go, you are going to have to hone the stock cylinder anyway. I would also do a hotcam stage 1 or 2, slip on or full exhaust, airscoops, bore the stock carb or get ab FCR39MM. If you want more power then you can port then head later. As far as price my buddies both had 416's built with 11:1 JE, Stage 2 hotcam, basic port work, boring the cylinder and everything was $800, that included all gaskets to do the job and some other little odds and ends. If you are going to build a 416 I would at least plan on putting $600 into it, with no port work it would come out to around $600.

I might be a little high on the prices, but once you start doing it and add taxes and freight, it comes out to more than it works out on paper.

ya it will be around $400-$600 with no porting...me and my dad did my own so that saved us a good $300...he has been working with cars and 4 wheelers for over 20 years so that helped quite a bit...we did a bad@$$ job on it 2 :D

[Ex'r Marlin]

In the case of "WhiteBros400ex", having a near new atv, would it be recommended to hone the cylinder even if he was to keep the stock bore?

[pnut420]

Originally posted by Ex'r Marlin
In the case of "WhiteBros400ex", having a near new atv, would it be recommended to hone the cylinder even if he was to keep the stock bore?

Yep

[UglyMotha™]

Originally posted by Ex'r Marlin
In the case of "WhiteBros400ex", having a near new atv, would it be recommended to hone the cylinder even if he was to keep the stock bore?


i'm not sure what you mean there, but if your saying if he sticks with the stock bore does he need to hone, the answer would be yes anytime you install new rings even if it on the stock piston or another one you have to hone, this is a must in order for the ring to seat if you don't then you might as well have just thrown you motor in the crick

[pnut420]

Originally posted by UglyMotha™
i'm not sure what you mean there, but if your saying if he sticks with the stock bore does he need to hone, the answer would be yes anytime you install new rings even if it on the stock piston or another one you have to hone, this is a must in order for the ring to seat if you don't then you might as well have just thrown you motor in the crick

Yeah thats what he meant...

[WhiteBros400ex]

k thankz guy i am takign it apart tomrrow and i am going to try to fidn the problem and if it is like piston slap i am goig nwith a 416 if its the conneting rod i will have to get a new one i guess. but thankz for you pasts back. another thing is i have a white brothers slip on if i get a 416 do i need a header pipe.

[Ex'r Marlin]

Originally posted by WhiteBros400ex
I have a white brothers slip on. If i get a 416 do i need a header pipe.
I have a slip and a stock header with my 416. All is well.:cool:

Good luck!

[Steve-o 400EX]

Originally posted by Ex'r Marlin
I have a slip and a stock header with my 416. All is well.:cool:

Good luck!

Yea i run the stock header on my 416 with a wide open e-series. Just for reference i'll give you the prices on my kit.

JE 10.8:1 Piston kit------------------ 120
Hotcams stage II-------------------- 125
XR gasket kit------------------------- 40
new jets----------------------------- 10
Cylinder Bore------------------------- 50
oil and oil filter----------------------- 15
Labor--------------------------------- 0
Approxamate total------------------ 360

This is basically it. I am gunna bore my stock carb and port and polish the head eventually but the setup i have is really snappy and pulls hard from idle to 9000 rpm.

[WhiteBros400ex]

k thankz for the pricing i will elt u guys know when i get done building it if ne one else has stuff to say more abot uthe 416 kit just let me know

[UglyMotha™]

i think it's slow :o

[WhiteBros400ex]

besides that it is slow

[pnut420]

Originally posted by UglyMotha™
i think it's slow :o

I think you should port the heads and get a FCR39MM, pick up a used 39MM on here and send your heads out to be ported.

[Out_Sider]

i think you should put a 300ex motor in it..then build that to a full on race 330! :p lmao!

[UglyMotha™]

Originally posted by pnut420
I think you should port the heads and get a FCR39MM, pick up a used 39MM on here and send your heads out to be ported.




eh could you show me on a diagram where i might find the second head :huh

[Steve-o 400EX]

Originally posted by UglyMotha™
eh could you show me on a diagram where i might find the second head :huh

lol. :D . I knew what he meant though.

[pnut420]

Originally posted by UglyMotha™
eh could you show me on a diagram where i might find the second head :huh

You are the biggest smart *** ever, I like it though :D

[cals400ex]

Originally posted by pnut420
You are the biggest smart *** ever, I like it though :D


yeah, its great isn't it. he does put the excitement into things. he claims he likes fast cars and fast women. the fast cars are a must. fast women............ let me think about that one!! :D

[UglyMotha™]

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[WhiteBros400ex]

k thankz how much is porting

[UglyMotha™]

for a good one you looking at bout 250







or you could always get a $75 from malcom :eek: :blah:

[pnut420]

Originally posted by cals400ex
yeah, its great isn't it. he does put the excitement into things. he claims he likes fast cars and fast women. the fast cars are a must. fast women............ let me think about that one!! :D

Yeah the fast women could mean alot of things, if shes to fast she might get away :o

[UglyMotha™]

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and yes she did get away :o

[pnut420]

Originally posted by UglyMotha™ http://ricoracing.netfirms.com/Smilies/neel_suckers.gif





and yes she did get away :o [/B]


They always do.


Oh and

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:cuss: (they dont have the smiley I needed)

[cals400ex]

Originally posted by UglyMotha™
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and yes she did get away :o


well that might be a good thing too.