Real time GNCC race coverage

[Dunlap]

The FST/MAXXIS/DOUGLAS WHEEL GNCC ATV race team may want to sponsor the live coverage of the GNCC races next year. I would like to see how many people would like to see this. It will take alot of time and money to put this together so we need your input.

[Pappy]

im all for it!!!

[MOFO]

Hell yea!

Any possible way of getting some video?

[dirtmomma]

Originally posted by Pappy
im all for it!!!

DITTO :)

[cdalejef]

I'd wear the helmet cam again!

[400exmom]

i could provide some good tree ramming scenes

[300exOH]

I think that would be great! I think it would be a boost for the sport too.

[sickmojave]

im all for it!!!

[atl855]

go
go baby
go


lovin it would do anything to help out!

[js52589]

Originally posted by Pappy
im all for it!!!

;) that would be great! :D

[remlapr]

I think it would be great and would generate a lot of outside interest for all involved!

You got my vote Mickey..

[Teufel]

Bump for TV coverage :D

[2001400ex]

I want to see it!

[bradley300]

i'll do what i can!

[Taco]

sounds great:D

[XANDADA]

http://www.rriders.com/trx250r_forum/images/smile2/drinkup.gif

[OCCRA288]

Fo Shizzle My Nizzle!!! Translation: Hell Yeah!

[BUCK442]

With out a doubt! Would love to help you any way possible.

[mikecole]

it would be great to see but to get out side sponsors in to see it you'll need a really big exriders sign at the races.

[exriderdude]

damn skippy:macho

[pa_countryboy]

Kick ***

[VIC]

you got my vote

[jesshamner]

fo sho! Race coverage would be awesome. Just look at the 12 hour race responses.

[jlhughes750]

that sounds great!!!!!!

[Sportrax10]

You also have my vote.

[ILGNCC400EX]

put me in 4 a yes

[seatec]

Dude, can you say GNCC parties? I'd be glued to the screen.
Hmm maybe its time for that PLasma screen after all

[Doibugu2]

Hell Yeah, might have to get internet at home for that.


side note: can the site handle the extra bandwith needed for that?

[Hoggr9]

Hell Yeah...

[cody anderson]

i'm there!

[KrazyKid300ex]

Originally posted by Pappy
im all for it!!!

[pairanutz]

if you caint go might as well no whats going on
im up for it

[jcv400ex]

that would be great!

[Tommy 17]

hell yeah:macho :devil:

[RIDER11X]

Yep! Good idea!:cool:

[Ryan]

Sounds damn good to me! :D

[AtvMxRider]

Originally posted by MOFO
Hell yea!

Any possible way of getting some video?


Video would be awesome.

[toby400ex]

He!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah:blah:

[Dave400ex]

I'm all for it too. That would be awesome.

[300exHILLER]

I'm in!!
plus I'll be at the two PA events:blah:

[310Rduner]

Hell yeah man, that would be awesome:D

[batgeek]

go fer it!

yeeee haaaaw!

[Bill Fuller]

10-4 good buddy

[MEL]

sounds great to me!

[Braff1]

Sounds like a good idea. Give them west coaster something to drool over and see what they are missing.

I think it would be a great idea. I think it would help all paties involed: racer publisity, Sponsors, the Sight and the sport. I am very glad to see that you are interested in helping somthing like this mickey

[Varmit57]

Any TV with ATV's on it is good TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big thumbs up!

[Admin]

Originally posted by GNCCer
I think it would be a great idea. I think it would help all paties involed: racer publisity, Sponsors, the Sight and the sport. I am very glad to see that you are interested in helping somthing like this mickey

Well said Nathan, and I think it will be an awesome addition to what has already been an awesome year for the ATV community.

[foxracingpredat]

hopefully i make it to atleast 5 gnccs this year!
but for the ones that im nto at id love to see coverage of whats happening! u should try and get good shots and coverage of the morning race also.

[Martin Blair]

i would like it

[foxracingpredat]

i forgot to add that i always take pics and videos of the afternoon race when i go to the gncc's and my dad films alot of the morning race, so at the gnccs i go to, id be fine with helping you guys out with anyhting u need.

[erac4019]

yup

[4wheelboy]

Originally posted by pairanutz
if you caint go might as well no whats going on
im up for it


exactly! got my vote:cool:

[nuttynewt]

Cool.

[rowlrag]

Good idea, but Racer Productions would probly wanna cut:(

Originally posted by rowlrag
Good idea, but Racer Productions would probly wanna cut:(

They can stand in line behind the rest of us....:D

[Dunlap]

Well it looks like if each of you payed $8.oo per race it would cover the cost of what it will take to pull this off.

[cdalejef]

Originally posted by Mickey Dunlap
Well it looks like if each of you payed $8.oo per race it would cover the cost of what it will take to pull this off. So your saying its gonna cost $127,312 per race to do this? :confused:

$1,782,368.00 a season? I would say you could get some pretty good coverage with that!!!!!!!

[Dunlap]

$8.oo x 50 =400 x 14 =$5600.

[cdalejef]

There are over $15,000 members on here.
How do you come up with the cost per race?

[rowlrag]

Originally posted by Mickey Dunlap
Well it looks like if each of you payed $8.oo per race it would cover the cost of what it will take to pull this off.
I'm not payin for it, cause i'll be there. Sounds like a good sponsorship deal huh?

[Dunlap]

There is already a perposed deal on the table for the FST/MAXXIS/DOUGLAS WHEEL GNCC race team to pay for this but Harlen is looking at other options also and I seen that if each of the 50 people that posted would pay $8.oo per race it could be done that way also.

[Admin]

The pay per race option that Mickey discussed is based on an estimated amount of members that would be interested in paying to actually view the coverage like pay per view. He is figuring that every member will not be willing to pay because they may not be interested or able to pay for live race coverage.

[cdalejef]

Thanks for clearing everything up! :)

Originally posted by EXriders Admin
The pay per race option that Mickey discussed is based on an estimated amount of members that would be interested in paying to actually view the coverage like pay per view. He is figuring that every member will not be willing to pay because they may not be interested or able to pay for live race coverage.

So is this coverage going to be released to anyone or just members of this page??

Getting money out of anyone on this page is almost impossible...:(

And would it be $8 per race someone has to pay??

[cdalejef]

I'm still a little in the dark on why it costs $5600 per race. Only thing it costs at the 12 hour race was some cell phone air time that was donated by C&D and myself.

Something else I forgot to ask about, is the money that is raised. Is it going toward exriders.com, toward the people that are doing the coverage or split up between several parties???:confused:

[Dunlap]

The money would help with the cost of getting everything needed to do this and the cost to get to the races. It would cost each of the 50 people that posted $8.oo per race which is $400 per race times 14 races. It realy dont matter because it does'nt sound like anyone would be willing to do it, I was just throwing it out there to see what the responce would be. I also have to justify this to myself if its worth it or not and I posted this to see what kind of interest there would be. The first 9hr. looked good when I first put this up but then it died off.

[jlhughes750]

Jeff i think that Mickey was saying $5600 for the season and 400 per race.??

Lets starts over: Someone enlighten me!!! Why is this all the sudden gonna be a business venture???? I thought since everyone loved the coverage of the 12 hour so much that Harlen got a idea to do it for the GNCC's...... A few dedicated volunteers that love to promote and cover ATV racing is all u need. Hook these few up with some gas money,cold ones and a pillow and we can get this thing rollin!!!! Then let Harlen do all the work!! sounds like a plan to me.:p

We all have to realize the work that Harlen puts into this site. The site alone takes up most of his time, then to add this to his schedule, he might just be gettin overloaded. Harlen i would be willing to help out as much as i can. Let me know!!!! we all know i can't race i may as well be a reporter!!!!!! Reporting, I am actually good at!!!!!!!
later, J

[12gofast]

I already have a digital helmet cam.....I will donate the footage for free from the races I run!

[Admin]

First, pay per view race coverage is something that I really don't want to ever have to think about. If I can't make it available to everyone, I really don't want to do it. The whole purpose behind reporting from the races and uploading pictures is to bring the action to everyone that can't make it to the races. EXriders.com was founded on being a great free resource for quad enthusiast to share unbiased experiences with each other about maintenance, enhancements, racing, and etc.. EXriders.com has grown to huge size today because of this fact, and I don’t ever plan on changing it. As the site continues to grow and expand, member contributions will definitely be a great help, but they never will be required.

With over 500+ ATV racers at every event with numerous family & friends that can't make it to the race to watch, I am sure the race coverage will be a great success, once everyone knows that it is available. I am not concerned about the coverage of the GNCC series next year because of the overwhelming amount of members that are willing to participate and make it happen. Also, As everyone knows, C&D Racing, HMF, ELKA, and Streamline have seen the value in being apart of the EXriders.com community. Their recent support alone is helping to make EXriders.com an even more informative website. Because of their support, I will be flying to California to cover the Dirt Riots and make it available to EXriders.com members. Companies like these who care about their customers and products will help make EXriders.com the site to visit for all your ATV news.

I personally have lived for ATVs since 1986, and I have been riding them ever since. I take EXriders.com very seriously, and I spend countless hours each week along with the Moderators trying to improve an already great site. I have a lot planned for this site next year that I haven’t even discussed openly yet, and I am certain that more companies will see the value in being involved in such a great ATV community, and they will make it more things possible.

Again, I thank all the members that have volunteered to assist in next years GNCC coverage. The biggest hurdle I am facing right now is an Internet connection that will be reliable. I most likely will need a satellite system because some of the tracks will have extremely poor wireless connectivity. The satellite system will be a several thousand dollar initial expense and some companies are only willing to provide promotional advertising products, which will not cover the expense.

I will inform everyone when the finalized solution for the GNCC race coverage is determined.

[cdalejef]

Harlen......your my hero!!! :D

[Admin]

Thanks Jeff!:D

I may not be perfect, but I sure try to be!

[ILGNCC400EX]

thanks Harlen

[jja125]

that sounds like the right way to go harlen. i'm sure you could get the $$ from those of us that are already addicted, but "free" is the way to bring in more viewers and more site members and grow the sport and the webpage overall.

like i said before, my gf & i are willing to help with the p.m. races with whatever or however you need - and now it looks like i will be going to all the races next year except for texas.

[Wingnut]

I'm still curious about what kind of coverage y'all are talking about. There is so much that happens in the woods that could not possibly be reported until after the race is over. And, just posting the positions at the end of every lap would not tell very much. I personally don't see how this can measure up to the 12 Hours of ATV America coverage simply because of a few reasons:

1) GNCCs don't last 14 hours start to finish. There will not be suspense, this will seem like a sprint race.

2) One thing that made the 12 Hour coverage so great was that reports on almost every team were given. At least the ones that EX Riders members has an interest in.

3) With the 12 Hours coverage I could get up, do other things and come back and get filled in on what had happened, which was great. Again, a two and a half hour race is to short for that. In my oppinion people will just come after the race is over and read how it went, elemenating the need for live coverage.

4) Going back to part of point 2. It would be nearly impossible to give reports on everyone that EX Riders members have interest in simply because there are so many of us who race, or have friends and family who race. I don't see how the coverage could possibly keep up with them. Also, I hope that this doesn't turn into something where the same people get the ink every race.


In my opinion, posting an indepth report soon after the race would have the same effect. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see this happen. I would read it as soon as I got home. I just don't understand how it will be done.

[Wingnut]

BTW, I would also be interested in helping out at the races. Just because I don't understand it doesn't mean I don't want to be a part.:D

[Dunlap]

Originally posted by Wingnut
I'm still curious about what kind of coverage y'all are talking about. There is so much that happens in the woods that could not possibly be reported until after the race is over. And, just posting the positions at the end of every lap would not tell very much. I personally don't see how this can measure up to the 12 Hours of ATV America coverage simply because of a few reasons:

1) GNCCs don't last 14 hours start to finish. There will not be suspense, this will seem like a sprint race.

2) One thing that made the 12 Hour coverage so great was that reports on almost every team were given. At least the ones that EX Riders members has an interest in.

3) With the 12 Hours coverage I could get up, do other things and come back and get filled in on what had happened, which was great. Again, a two and a half hour race is to short for that. In my oppinion people will just come after the race is over and read how it went, elemenating the need for live coverage.

4) Going back to part of point 2. It would be nearly impossible to give reports on everyone that EX Riders members have interest in simply because there are so many of us who race, or have friends and family who race. I don't see how the coverage could possibly keep up with them. Also, I hope that this doesn't turn into something where the same people get the ink every race.


In my opinion, posting an indepth report soon after the race would have the same effect. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see this happen. I would read it as soon as I got home. I just don't understand how it will be done.


The thing that I like about Harlen is that he seems to know everyone and that means he would be able to report on so many (with help of course)that it wouldnt just be about the pros but others that are on here that otherwise maybe over looked. Its a big undertaking and there is alot to be learned and the only way to learn it is to jump in and he seems up to the challange.

[bradley300]

sounds like to do this right, you would need a group of people stationed in the woods at certain points with radios to someone with a laptop.

probably should choose people to report on that have quads that stand out, for instance, your team mickey, could be spotted esily by our "reporters"

[Admin]

Wingnut, you have brought up several good points about the race coverage!

The 12 hour race is a better and easier candidate for trying to cover it live because of the long amount of time the race is run. A GNCC race is only 2 hours long, the laps are not 12 minutes but 30 minutes, and the track is 8 to 12 miles long. Yes, it will be very difficult to keep track of every single racer and position changes during the race especially when all the quads are brown at the end of the race. Also, instead of tracking only 68 quads like at the 12 hours there will be 200+ quads easily. Because of these conditions, yes it will be difficult if not impossible to keep track of every racer during the race. At the end of every lap though, the racers are scanned by trackside software, so they could make this easier to accomplish if they are willing to provide that information.

The word “Live” is being used loosely because it will be as close to it as has ever been tried before. The reporting during the race will be focused on the top racers in each class and any dramatic changes or situations (bottlenecks, wrecks, failures, etc …). The bulk of the individual reporting will be done shortly after the race is over when all the field reporters have returned with their stories and pictures. The results, images, and stories then will be uploaded to EXriders.com. I think this approach will work extremely well, and it far exceeds what has ever been available. I know that I hated waiting till Sunday night at the earliest to get the race results. Then, I had to wait several more days to see any pictures from the race.

I don’t expect this to go perfectly smooth the first couple of races, but I feel that over the course of the year all the bugs will be worked out. I might even surprise myself! :D

[Boomer825]

Why not trying to go with some time of print media. Like a 2 or 3 page newsletter/race report. You can have riders/readers subscribe for $15-20 per season for 14 issues.

Right now, race reports that you find in the magazines are showcasing the pros only. I think that the other 90% of riders should get some recognition, along with their sponsors.

Maybe you could find some additional support from sponsors like Mickey Dunlop, Douglas, etc.

Also, you would be able to pass these reports on race reports to your sponsors. This may open up some doors for non-pro riders receiving sponsorship deals.

I know that this is a little (or a lot) off of the main 'live' subject, but it sounds like there's interest in some type of report and there appears to be people out there (Harlen?) willing to do the reporting.

[Doibugu2]

I think a print media would be good with lots of pics.


But also have someone where a helmet cam and upload some footage or sell the footage. The only problem I see with the helmet cam is that someone will have to clean the lens all the time. I remember watching Jeff clean the lens several times at the H/M ride, and I'm not sure you could clean the lens while racing.

If we could see 15 or 30 minutes of footage (no commercials) from each race, I think that would be pretty cool. Helmet cam or in the woods.

[jja125]

get a little pair of rolloffs for the helmet cam :p

[seatec]

Originally posted by jja125
get a little pair of rolloffs for the helmet cam :p

dang i was going to say that. i think with all of us we can come up with something to keep the camera lens clean. nascar does it? not as dirty but still. Mayby little tear off's

[bmw500hp]

Originally posted by Mickey Dunlap
The FST/MAXXIS/DOUGLAS WHEEL GNCC ATV race team may want to sponsor the live coverage of the GNCC races next year. I would like to see how many people would like to see this. It will take alot of time and money to put this together so we need your input.

Mickey, are you looking for yes/no to reach a viable decision, or is it voulunteer labor etc..that you seek?

If it is a yes-no needed to validate viablility, you might use the poll feature w/comments...good luck with the venture.

Mike

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by Braff1
Sounds like a good idea. Give them west coaster something to drool over and see what they are missing. :( I already know what we are missing.....:o lol.....