roll designe with pep zps???? [Archive]

Greg Z

10-25-2003, 09:35 AM

Get +3 a-arms then 4:1 offset rims youll be sitting 50 inches and the handeling and bumpsteer would be reallly good !!

and shocks dont make you wider:rolleyes:

mxracer89

10-25-2003, 09:38 AM

well the zps well make you sit lower pushing your a-arms for strate across makind it wider

Greg Z

10-25-2003, 01:41 PM

how is a shock going to push out a-arms?lol

mxracer89

10-25-2003, 03:02 PM

forget it

Chef

10-25-2003, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by mxracer89
forget it

LMAO...Some people just dont think do they?

You will be fine with the ZPS and +3's.:cool:

Greg Z

10-25-2003, 04:31 PM

i dont get it some one explain to me how shocks will push out a-arms to make them wider when there already set to a certain width?:huh

nuclearkielbasa

10-25-2003, 06:08 PM

Your tires don't move strait up and down. They follow an arc as they move. Unless your A-arms are perfectly parallel with the ground at the normal ride height, the wheels will move out slightly as the suspension compresses. Once the arms are past parallel, the wheels will move back inward. This is what is known as "scrub".

pnut420

10-25-2003, 08:16 PM

My shocks werent even ZPS, but they made it sit like 1 inch lower and it is a little wider now.

muff

10-25-2003, 08:41 PM

you can get +3s and still use the stock rims and you'll sit right at 50" or pretty dang close

with the +2s I have I'm at 47.??" on my 400ex

and yes if you put zps shocks on a quad it will make it wider

mxracer89

10-25-2003, 08:52 PM

thanks for explaining to greg z.....he just didn't understand
and thanks for helpin out

NTPRacing#19

10-26-2003, 12:18 PM

youll be set

norrisboat

10-26-2003, 06:46 PM

The best setup is +4's with the 4:1 offset. This is what I have and it is under 50 inches with Lonestar/PEP.

Greg Z

10-26-2003, 07:13 PM

+4s do u mean +3s

+4s with 4:1 ull be sitting 52 inches

thanks for the explanationn

Now im going to get TCS race series tripple rates with zero preload with +3 a-arms and 4:1 rims will i be sitting to wide?

kicker696

10-26-2003, 07:27 PM

i'm running +3 roll design lobo a-arms on my 250r with stock PEP 19' shocks, with the stock rims and i sit right at 50'

muff

10-27-2003, 04:30 AM

Originally posted by norrisboat
The best setup is +4's with the 4:1 offset. This is what I have and it is under 50 inches with Lonestar/PEP.

this setup would give you the best handling possible, you have as little bump steer as possible because of the 4:1 offset and with the +4s you'll set right at 50"

if you dont think it would be 50" look at this
with +3s and stock 3:2 rims you are at 50", with +4s and stock rims you are at 52", with +4s and 4:1 rims you are back to 50"

norrisboat

10-27-2003, 11:04 AM

Greg Z, You should learn about the facts before you try to give advice.

muff

10-27-2003, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by norrisboat
Greg Z, You should learn about the facts before you try to give advice.

ditto...just watch and learn for now :macho

Greg Z

10-27-2003, 02:34 PM

what company makes +4 for the EX?

Tommy 17

10-27-2003, 03:01 PM

i don't think anyone does... hte +4 on a 250r was designed for a narrow front frame...

QuadRacer041

10-27-2003, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by Tommy 17
i don't think anyone does... hte +4 on a 250r was designed for a narrow front frame...

that is correct, the only way to get +4 is with a narrow front end frame on a 250r.
dont be so fast to jump other people if u dont know all the facts either.

trx400ex

10-27-2003, 05:48 PM

ACtually Merrell makes plus 4s for the EX

Greg Z

10-27-2003, 06:13 PM

so why not just get +3's with 4:1 rims

ull be close to 50 inches

why would u go +4 if u need a narrow frame?

QuadRacer041

10-27-2003, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by trx400ex
ACtually Merrell makes plus 4s for the EX

yea there right up there with walsh and roll too,:rolleyes:

Greg Z

10-27-2003, 06:22 PM

thats fuggin expensive a-arms though

QuadRacer041

10-27-2003, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Greg Z
thats fuggin expensive a-arms though

but u get what u pay for,
im my opinion the quility of walsh and roll is unbeaten.there are alot of companies that COPY rolls a arms to a T but look at there ball joint design.there not like a roll.

Chef

10-27-2003, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by quad041
yea there right up there with walsh and roll too,:rolleyes:

Yea they are. :o

Dave400ex

10-27-2003, 06:30 PM

I would just get the +3's with the 4:1 rims. Many companies are making +3's now.

QuadRacer041

10-27-2003, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by Chef
Yea they are. :o

well u have your opinion and i have mine.

norrisboat

10-27-2003, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by quad041
that is correct, the only way to get +4 is with a narrow front end frame on a 250r.
dont be so fast to jump other people if u dont know all the facts either.

I hope your not talking to me. I guess im just imagining that i have +4 a-arms on my 400ex. Plus Greg Z was talkin about Ex not an R.

Lonestar makes +4's for the 400ex. They dont list it on their site, so I dont know if they sell them to everyone. Youll have to call them and ask them about their DC-4 setup(+4 arms).

trx400ex

10-27-2003, 07:02 PM

Hey ive owned ROLL and while they are great aarms, there are others out there just as good. Roll has a good name and has been around for awhile, they are also crooks for charging what they do.

muff

10-27-2003, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by quad041
that is correct, the only way to get +4 is with a narrow front end frame on a 250r.
dont be so fast to jump other people if u dont know all the facts either.

lol look in the mirror my friend

i hate to be pointin fingers and stuff but sometimes it needs to be done ya know?

earlier gregz asked why go with +4s if you needed a narrow frame, say you have an R and looking to totally rebuild it, the best front end setup you could get would be a narrow frame with +4s, the narrow frame reduces the amount of (bump steer?? i think it is)

I haven't purchased any longtravel a-arms but if i were I'd only go with Walsh. i've been to their shop and everything is top notch, and i've seen the beating their products can take...I purchased the burgard +2 arms for just over $400 and as they say, you get what you pay for :( next time I'll be payin more

Greg Z

10-27-2003, 09:32 PM

guys im talking about a 400ex here..

norrisboat

10-28-2003, 08:29 AM

I know greg. I dont know why they keep referring to an R

QuadRacer041

10-28-2003, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by muff
lol look in the mirror my friend

i hate to be pointin fingers and stuff but sometimes it needs to be done ya know?

earlier gregz asked why go with +4s if you needed a narrow frame, say you have an R and looking to totally rebuild it, the best front end setup you could get would be a narrow frame with +4s, the narrow frame reduces the amount of (bump steer?? i think it is)

I haven't purchased any longtravel a-arms but if i were I'd only go with Walsh. i've been to their shop and everything is top notch, and i've seen the beating their products can take...I purchased the burgard +2 arms for just over $400 and as they say, you get what you pay for :( next time I'll be payin more

what are you trying to say?
why are u refering to me?
in a later post i said just what u said about getting what u pay for

Dave400ex

10-28-2003, 01:42 PM

For the most part you do get what you pay for, but I think some body could make something just as good as Roll for much cheaper. What Roll, Walsh, Gibson, etc. charge for their a-arms is nuts.

YLW400

10-28-2003, 02:01 PM

Yes it is Dave...I have the Gibson +3 on my 400 and my ball joints have some serious play in them. They will be going back this winter to be looked at...... I do like them alot though so far

Dave400ex

10-28-2003, 02:06 PM

That would make me a little mad after spending that kind of money. The ArsFX stuff seems to be the way to go right now. I'm not sure what the price is, but I got a bunch of info on them.

YLW400

10-28-2003, 02:09 PM

I have never heard of those before......

Dave400ex

10-28-2003, 02:27 PM

It's what many of the top GNCC pro's are running now. Ballance, Smiley, Borich on his YFZ, Parton, and even DeRisi will have them on his YFZ next season.

Greg Z

10-28-2003, 02:51 PM

and muff whats wrong with burgard a-arms?

muff

10-28-2003, 04:22 PM

they're nice but theres a few things I ran into
1. no real adjustability...while this maybe be ok for the avg. trail rider, there is little camber adjustment and no caster adjustment..this wouldnt be to bad but at high speeds on hardpack/pavement the quad gets real sketchy and likes to dart all over the place
2. the a-arms didnt fit right onto my quad, i had to file the bushings and sleeves down, on all 4 of my a-arms, this is just bad quality

quad041 i just refered to you because you said that +4 wasn't available for a 400ex, and how people needed to get the facts before they talked...not tryin to piss you off but i was just stating my opinion

I haven't heard of ArsFX before but theres soo many a-arm companies out there i just can't keep track anymore

Greg Z

10-28-2003, 04:44 PM

whats a good a-arm for there price for Motocross. I cant spend any where near 600 dollars and more on a-arms

Dave400ex

10-28-2003, 05:00 PM

To be honest Greg I don't think you can go wrong with the Laeger's.

Pappy

10-28-2003, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by muff
they're nice but theres a few things I ran into

2. the a-arms didnt fit right onto my quad, i had to file the bushings and sleeves down, on all 4 of my a-arms, this is just bad quality

your frame had 2 coats of powdercoat and the a arms had clear also i believe. maybe the bushings were correct and the build up of pc is to blame. ive installed a ton of these a arms and never ran into an issue. mine were snug at first but i had a 4 layer powder and the a arms were chromed.

as far as a arms under $600...leagers...burgards...and houser get my vote

muff

10-28-2003, 05:36 PM

ok I take back what i said before

if you are a recreational rider then these would be a good set of a-arms for you, if you are looking for a high end setup then you should maybe look elsewhere...they were awesome for me at the beginning of the year when i just started out racing and was a much improvement over stock, and now as the seasons over I'm trying to get everything i can out of my 400ex (power suspension handling) and I just need to upgrade

for the money they are good, but have limited adjustability and not the greatest if you really want to find tune your suspension for mx or other hardcore racing

these were a good investment, I wish I had gotten +3s so I would have been wider in the front but the +2s allowed me to still fit through all of my current trails

NTPRacing#19

10-28-2003, 06:04 PM

dave the price for those a arms may be a bit high but really, you dont have to buy it! honestly i think the only company that is worth the grand for a front end is the Walsh. the cost is not for materials but mainly R&D .

Dave400ex

10-28-2003, 07:05 PM

I understand completely. The Walsh and Roll arms would be worth it. They could lower the prices and still make plenty of money even with all their R&D work. Heck guys pay $2150 for the T-Pin, although it has a stem, spindals, etc...

Greg Z

10-28-2003, 07:16 PM

how are HSD a-arms

trx400ex

10-29-2003, 04:23 PM

R+D, id be surprised if much time was spent on R+D for alot of this stuff. And like it takes a huge amount of resources to go ride a set of aarms around a mx track, or come up with a few drawings. Face it, alot of guys are charging to much. Yes i think it is only fair that they make a decent amount of money, but in some cases enough is enough.

I had burgards before and they are good aarms, but like muff said, for hard racing they wear out in more ways than one. Never had a problem with ROLL but then again ive never had a problem with my new dentons and they were only 850 (less than half of roll)