Works Triple Rates or PEP ZPS?

[Dave400ex]

Right now I am saving for some Front Shocks. I was going to get PEP ZPS Fronts and have the Rear ZPS Conversion done. That would be an awesome Suspension Setup, but do I really need PEP Shocks? I will be doing some Very Hard Woods Riding and want to race GNCC some day. Should I just save for the PEP Shocks and have the Best, or will the Works be ok for me? Also, if I get Works Fronts, who should I have do the Rear Rebuild? Thanks in Advance.

[400MXer]

Like my pappy always said, do it right the first time, or don't do it at all.

I think you will be happy with the PEP's. maybe, if the ZPS is a little out of the budget, get the Race, or Limited Mass shocks from PEP. I believe the race shocks are in the $500 range(i'm not sure exactly though). I think that would be a pretty good setup for woods riding. A friend of mine has PEP limited mass and they work great.

I'm not saying that Works are bad, i mean anything is better than stock, but they just don't have the inovation that PEP has. I've heard from many people that works uses valve technology from the 80's to build thier shocks, while pep is constantly making their products better.

[Dave400ex]

I don`t want to go Cheap. I would rather wait on the PEP`s than get the Works now and then want PEP down the road. I know I would like the PEP Shocks. Money is kind of a Concern though. It will take me forever to get PEP Shocks. I`ll wait and see what other people say.

[James70214]

For the woods you do not need zps at all. I would go with the limited mass or get elkas.

[Foxrage]

Like you told me i say get what you really want and not what you have money for. Me and you should make a treaty or something sayin we will not give in to our wants. Cause i think we both have the same problem on deciding but i know what im gettin now PEP ZPS on long travel houser front A-arms.

[400MXer]

NACS400EX
Are you sure this time!!!!!!!!!!!! lol....JK


I those long tavel housers are sweet. I saw a 400 at Siver Lake that had houser long travles and Axis shocks, his were red lowers with chrome uppers. looked sweet.
that quad was pry worth 20 grand.

[Foxrage]

I dont know what do you think should i get the long travel or wait it will set me back my axle for a little while but iw ill still have me carbon wheels and tc pipe hopefully soon. I cant wait im syced about it.

[400MXer]

I got my axle first, BUT, that because i had no choice, i bent my stock one really bad. I was going to get my a arms first. i'm not sure if it really matters what one comes first though.

those houser are nice, and i haven't heard anything but good comments about them. So that's a solid choice, GO FOR IT!!!

and your quad will look even sweeter with the carbon wheels and TC pipe.


can't wait to see it when it's done!!!!!!

[kabd69667]

Like James said, you really only want the zps for mx. I really like my Elka's with ssd zps whatever same thing. If you wanted a cheaper yet, just as good or maybe better, version of the peps get the Elka's like mine man. They both are compression adjust, i think they both have the same shafts, and they both are zps. My buddy has the pep's, he thinks mine look better. The prices-Elka: $750 Pep: $900. Then i think you can get the elka's faster also. Just my opinion though

[Foxrage]

Ya the elka look better but when it comes down to it im going to have the same shock covers over it so its just which are better. I know the pros run the 19 in pep and never heard of any front end problems. So im going fo the houser front end.
400MXer
Yours is going to be sweet let us know how you like a the shocks and some good pics.

[trx400ex]

if you dont want to spend a huge chunk of money get the pep standard fronts, awesome shocks...ive never ridden on pep zps and they are probably way better.....do it right the first time,, alsl you think clearer when you plan ahead,, say, right now you want axis shocks, you plan your whole quad and see the big picture, then the next day you walk into the dealer and a guy tries to sell you some used elkas or pep,,, its a good deal and alot cheaper than axis, then after the "newness" of the shocks wear off you will kick yourself for not waiting for the good... some places it is good to cut corners,,, shocks are important

[400exRacerX]

I would get the works, you don't need a zps shocks for the trails. The only time you need a zps shock is basically for mx or any type of racing that you need to lower the ride hieght of the quad.

[Dave400ex]

Now I either want to get Elka or PEP Shocks. I like how the Elkas look, but Gabe didn`t really think they were Setup well. I didn`t think you would want PEP ZPS for XC either, but all kinds of guys run the ZPS for GNCC races. 465Stroker and his Wife run PEP ZPS. Gabe also has a set on order from Baldwin right now. I don`t know what to do. This is really hard. I guess I will wait and see what other guys say and then see what Gabe says when he gets his. Baldwin told me to get the ZPS instead of the Limited Mass. So, if I get PEP I will get the ZPS. I have heard a lot of good stuff about Elka. Gabe just didn`t think they were Setup very good. What do you think about that Kabd69667? I still can`t make up my Mind.

[R-Crazy]

anything is better than stock. If you get the hock, extend your a-arms and axle. the a-arms and the shocks in the front would be a must together if you get long travels. if you can get the best, go for it. the works pro series is pretty goo for 700 bucks. just another option.

dave

[400MXer]

I've actually heard a lot of good things about the works pro series. I think they would be the only works shocks i would buy!

[Foxrage]

You can get the elka and long travel housers right now for 1500 bucks From that new guy. That 600 more than the PEP Zps but you get 800 houser A-arms. I think im going to do that and if dont like the elka im sure since that is such a good deal i can get what i paid or more.

[kabd69667]

Warriorman- What did he think was setup bad or wrong on the Elka's?

[Dave400ex]

I am either going to get Elka or PEP. What is some Good and Bad things about both Brands? I have no idea what to get.

Kabd69667, he didn`t think they were Valved very good. He said if they had a better Setup they would be awesome.

[kabd69667]

Good
Elka-Quality, Looks, Price, Quick shipping, Great Shock, Cheaper and better conversion of rear shock.

PEP-Quality, Looks good but not as good as Elka, Great Shock, from the good ol' USA


When i mean by looks is without shock covers, its good to have some.

[Dave400ex]

How much is the Elka Rear Conversion? I won`t ever ride with the Aftermarket Shocks if they don`t have Shock Covers.

[kabd69667]

$275. I've seen the pep's and the elka conversion seems to be better quality

[kid300ex]

Its kinda gay, All shocks that you buy aftermarket should come with shockcovers no questions asked, you shouldnt even have to pay for them when your spending that much money on them

[James70214]

All of the people I know( including me) have gotten shock covers for free with the purchase of shocks. When I ordered mine The guy on the phone talked me out ofbuying the dual adjustable and the single adjustable. He had them and says he never touches them and Axis sets them up perfectly thefirst time.They asked me about 25 different questions about my bike and riding style. You might want to consider getting the AXIS. I got the triple rate non adj fronts for 850 shipped to my door. About a month wait. PEP is to long of a wait. If I did not fet the AXIS I would get the ELka

[mrusk]

Long Travel Pep's are only 900 bucks, when elkas are over a 1000.



matt

[Dave400ex]

Kabd, How do you like the Rear Conversion? What kind of Fronts do you have and what Adj. are they?

I was going to get Axis, but I want Comp Adjust. They are just to expensive. Plus they don`t Rebuild the Stock Rear Shock. That`s why I`m getting Elka or PEP.

Anymore Info would really Help. Thanks.

[kabd69667]

The rear conversion is great. One of the best that i've seen. You just have to adjust it right when you get it. On the fronts, i have triple rate compression adjust w/ remote rezzies.

[400MXer]

I'm getting free PEP shock covers with my shocks.

What class rider do you consider yourself,,,Pro, A,,, D,,,novice. Get what you can afford and what will work for your riding abilities. Which will probably be just about anything other than stock.

[Dave400ex]

Rico, I would say a C or better. I really can`t tell you. What do you think I should get?


The only Problem I see with getting PEP is, if I get the Rear Conversion done, I won`t be able to ride for about Two Months. That`s a Long Time.

Well you could get work triple rates up front and have the rear rebuilt for less than $700 and it will make you more than happy. And your not gonna spend a ton of money...when you get older start makin more money,,you can upgrade to a better system but for now the lesser of all your shock decisions will get you buy and speed up your riding abilities. I did all the above with my shock choices,,and I feel it was money well spent,,I will be goin with better shocks up front soon,,but I'll probably go the rest of the year on my works and rebuilt rear,,and I'm a 200 pound rider that absolutely beats the snot out of my bike. For your budget get the works You'll be happy with them,,promise.

Terry Marcum could rebuild your rear in about a week..

If I bent my axle, subframe, and a foot peg, from a landing and the shocks came out OK, I think the cheapo works steelers are gonna do the job for ya.

PS.. I'm gonna be in dirtwheels soon,,got an email from them today wanting some info about myself,,so look for me in a future issue..;)

[400MXer]

I'll tell ya what i'm gonna do when i send my shock to get converted. I've seen that you can get used rear shocks on Ebay for pretty cheap....i just noticed one that sold for $40. i'll get that shock and send it out to baldwin. so i'll still have a shock on to ride with. and since it's gonna be another month before i get my a arms and shocks, and only a week before i get my motor, i want to be able to ride wit my new thumper.

[Dave400ex]

I was thinking about doing that. I might have to.

[400MXer]

But they only sucky part is, when i get my +1.25 swingarm....i have to send my shock out...AGAIN....and get it revalved and set up....AGAIN.....and pay money to have it done....AGAIN!!!!!!!1

[Dave400ex]

That will suck. Just get your Swingarm when you do the Shock. LOL

[kabd69667]

Maybe you could do them both at the same time and get them both from the same place. The guy might give you a deal or somthing

[indygncc]

Sounds like some Works Triple Rates w/ Cans would do you just fine. They are worlds better than the stockers. As far as having your rear shock revalved the man to use is Santo Derisi. I rode a quad w/ a stock shock revalved by him.. It's better than the Works Ultracross rear shock. I think he only charges 150 or so. Check his Website out. www.derisiracing.com
Tell him Ronnie Martin sent you

[Dave400ex]

IndyGncc, What kind of Shocks do you have?

[400MXer]

I would do it at the same time....BUT, i can't afford it. i'm forkin' out a bunch of cash for a arms shocks and motor. I wish i could do it at the same time. and your not supposed to run ZPS fronts with standard rear. because, ZPS and standard are two totally different concepts and they will work against each other, possibley makin' it dangerous. but hey..."DANGER" is my middle name (ACCTUALLY, IT'S JOHN).

[CBW]

what about CUSTOM AXIS!!!! Really i have shocks from all three comapnies and if axis are too expensive fur ya ......definately go with pep....:D

Originally posted by 400MXer
But they only sucky part is, when i get my +1.25 swingarm....i have to send my shock out...AGAIN....and get it revalved and set up....AGAIN.....and pay money to have it done....AGAIN!!!!!!!1

I don't think you'll have to do anything to your rear shock after adding a longer swingarm,,,I'm not,,maybe make some adjustments to the settings but not a revalve..you'll be fine.

[400MXer]

Really? Awsome.....i thought i would have to send the shock back to get tinkered with again. Sweet!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the answer Rico

That's what the owner of rocky ridge racing said. He's won the 4 stroke A championship in the GNC series and setup a ton of quads for guys so I'm gonna beleive him,,plus chris29 added a longer swingarm on his quad and didn't do anything and it's held up fine..

[Dave400ex]

I think I will get PEP. I`m not sure yet. It will all come down to what Gabe thinks is better, Elka or PEP.

[kabd69667]

With zps or ssd whichever you get, your rear will drop about 5 inches. My shock fully extended measured to the grab bar is 32". Letting it down or compress measured to the grab bar is 27". On the fronts i think it was about 9 1/2 inches without anyone on it.

[Pepto_Bismol]

Hey kabd69667, who did you send your rear shock to for conversion. I called both the quad shop and Elka themselves, cause I wanted to see why there is a 100.00 difference to have the same shock rebuilt. I was considering sending it to Elka since they have alot of experience, and it's their stuff, but Marty at the quad shop is only 285.00 and he says it's the same rebuild, but I wonder how much experience he has with ELka rebuild..let me know eh!

Pepto.:cool:

[kabd69667]

i sent ya a pm

[mrusk]

Go with the ZPS fronts and rebuild the rear. Pep may have a 10 week wait. You can get axis in a few weeks, but PEP is still more popular. What does that tell you?


Go with PEP unless you want to settle for anything less than the best.

[Dave400ex]

I think I will get PEP.

[A4StrokeGuy]

I'm new on here so if i do something wrong i apologize. I saw your whole shock dilema, on my current quad i have a TCS rebuild, this is the greatest thing i ever did to it. Its fully adjustable and i have not bottomed it out, though i have tried. Just my 2 sense

Jordan



95 warrior, 2 much to list 4 SALE!! 2600 OBO

www.geocities.com/quad4sale/quad4sale

[Nausty]

welcome to exriders.com

[Pepto_Bismol]

WarriorMan, Not everyone has Pep shocks, and there are plenty of satisfied souls that have others shocks. It's great that the top riders get sponsored, and never have to worry about the cost of rebuilds or anything for that matter, but that isn't what happens for most of us( not to mention have pretty much everything replaced after each race). It's not alway the most popular item that is the best either. Look at parachute pants! :D Ok, joking aside, get what you feel will be good for your type of riding. Are yo a pro? will you be? Although I like to think one day I would be, chances are I'll never be a Dana Creech or Tim Farr, but I can have the most fun with what I have, whoop some butt, and get my butt whooped. My suggestion, DO the dirty work. Call the different manufacturers and ask them about their product. That's what I did. And although I love to hear everyone's opinions, It's my money, and I'm the one that's buying. So after comparing prices, lead time, and dynamics, I went with Elka. I have never been dissapointed. Not to mention I ordered them, and they arrived at my door in 7 days. Anyway, sorry for babbling...Good Luck!!
Pepto :cool:

[QuadRacer041]

well if this helps, im doing this with full pep zps shocks:

[Nausty]

god that is some sick air.

[NJ300ex]

Lou, is that at the farm and is that a rebuilt rear or a new shock?

[Dave400ex]

You are getting HUGE air. I don`t think I would ever Jump that high. How was your landing? I am waiting on Gabe to get his PEP ZPS Shocks before I make my final choice. Since Gabe has Elka`s now, he will be able to compare the Elka`s and PEP. I will buy whatever Gabe thinks is better.

[QuadRacer041]

no thats not the farm,
that is a new zps from pep, i have a convertion on the rear of my 250r and i think it works just as well,
ive hit that jump with my R too and its fine.

[400exRacerX]

quad041, were is that track in NJ?

[trx400ex]

those are some nice quads 41, i saw 2 full zps laegar protrax Tpin quads today/......drool

[Dave400ex]

TRX400EX, where did you see those Two PEP ZPS/Laeger Quads at?

[trx400ex]

nieghbors, we rode over there today

one had a whole leagar chassis

one- duncan 265 pvalve
one- curtis sparks 265

[Dave400ex]

Are these Neighbors Rich?

[trx400ex]

i couldnt tell ya, but im considering selling the 400 and getting something with a lobo or t pin front end, it sure looks nice, its cheaper to buy than to biuld...

[Dave400ex]

I don`t see to many Quads for sale that have the Lobo or T-Pin Front End. After you spend that much money on a Front End it would be stupid to sell your Quad.

[trx400ex]

ive seen a few, the one i looked at was just bought

[NJ300ex]

People that buy those front ends or rear ends usually sell them seperate when they sell their ATV.

[Dave400ex]

Check out www.geocities.com/msuracing This place is in Roanoke, IN. They have some nice 250r`s For Sale.

[Foxrage]

Thats where I got that pic of the 250r with carbon fiber wheels. They have bad @$$ quads. I want the T pin but decided to go with the lobo front end because i have 25% off of it which would put it close to my 1800 dollar price range i think. But now i have to save up for an axle. but i have that wait to save up for it. So i think its gonna be sweet.

[400exRacerX]

I think that 25% off is only for the less expensive parts like shifters and footpegs. Heres a pic of my friends 250r with a complete lobo chassis decked out with a powervalved 265.

[Dave400ex]

Where did you get this 25% off from? I would just get Laeger A-Arms, Swingarm, Steering Stem, PEP ZPS Front Shocks, and a PEP ZPS Rear Shock Conversion.

[mrusk]

NACS400EX- 25 % is only on the footpegs and other small stuff. I call duncan and was going to order the lobo till the told me i couldnt get the 250%off of it.

So i am getting a houser long travel front end with PEP zps in the front and my rear revalved. That is what you should do. The front end will only run ya 1700. It is really a waste to get a 16in front end when a long travel is only 200 bucks more,

Matt

[Nausty]

yeah but you still have to pay more for long travel shocks don't you?:huh

[Foxrage]

Well that bites a big one im going to email them and raise all kinds of sruff on this one. Cause this is false advertising. Well i guess its back to the PEP and Laeger A-arms but i think im just going to save up some more fo it. Well i just read it and it said on selective so forget what i said but it still shows the a-arms.

[mrusk]

NACS400EX-
Spend the extra cash on the pep/houser long travel front end. You wont regreat it.

matt

[400MXer]

NACS400EX
i though you wanted PEP and houser long travel. If that 25% off thing was for lobo suspension, i think there would be a lot of people buying it. I sure would.
So now you want laeger and PEP huh. that's a good choice, but so is the houser long travel and PEP.

[Dave400ex]

NACS400EX, I think the PEP ZPS Shocks and Laeger A-Arms will be all the Setup you ever need. Then with the Money you save you can get your Rear PEP ZPS Shock Conversion.

[400MXer]

if you get ZPS fronts, you better get a ZPS rear at the same time....because i stock shock is totally different than a ZPS. it's two totally different concepts.

[Dave400ex]

It won`t hurt to run a Stock Rear Shock with PEP ZPS Fronts for a little bit will it?

[400exRacerX]

My friend runs PEP zps shocks in the front and a stock shock in the rear and it opporates just fine and handles great.... I have no clue what you are talking about it not working if you have the stock rear shock.

[Foxrage]

well I think im going with the pep zps front with the long travel houser with red and chrome top lonestar axle. Then buy the time i even get the shocks i will ride on them for about 3 months if that over the summer and when i get the money saved up from the summer job i will wait till winter to send the rear shock in for conversion the motor to a friends house for the motor work and a houser swing arm and for my b day a houser steering stem. I hop it will work out this way im still trying to get the money out of the bayou when we sell it. But moms being a pain. O ya and powder coat the frame then ill be set all i need after that is the little nic nacs and clutch basket and carb and it will be godd enough for me.

[kabd69667]

I seen you guys were talking about that pro trax kit and i thought i'd let you know that GT Thunder is making almost an exact copy w/ shocks for the 400ex. It runs $2000. I went out and seen it last week when i picked up my new front tires and rims. It looks sweet. The a arms are chrome. Plus, there was a yz426 in a houser frame w/ houser long travel arms, and some special swinarm. I wish i had that.

[mrusk]

NACS400EX- That is a good setup you decided on so dont change your mind again!!!! lol i have changed my mind just as many times as you have. From axis to elkas and so on.

Matt

[Dave400ex]

NACS400EX, That is a awesome Setup. I would stick to it. The only thing I would change is the Axle. I think RPM is better. I can`t wait to get some Shocks on mine.

[QuadRacer041]

400mxer is right, they are two totally differnt concepts. it doesnt mean that your bike wont run with zps in front and stock in back but it certainly wont perform the way it would if it had a zps in the rear. the front of the bike is going to sit in a low squat position and the rear is going to be real high cause it doesnt have the preload sucked out of it. like i said you can do it and it will probably be better when you jump but may hurt you on the motocross track.

quad041

[Dave400ex]

I think I will be ok then. My Shocks will be Setup for XC Riding/Racing, Some Jumping, and just Play Riding.

[400MXer]

I never said that it would work, i was just saying that if you want the full benifit of zero preload, then do both. because in theory, the front and rear will work against each other.

[400MXer]

oh yeah, and i agree with WarriorMan, i would go with the RPM axle as well. They have the new Dominator II out now. but i'm not really sure what's so special about it....i've never seen it or even heard about it....i just saw "DOMINATOR II" in their ad.