Project Banshee Update

[86350x]

John post the pics here, and thanks a bunch.:cool:

[JHF219]

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LOOKIN GOOD MAN !! i like the new stuff !![

[86350x]

Cool, thanks a bunch for posting them.:cool:

[RuffRyder400ex]

Lookin Good!

[AtvMxRider]

Nice!:)

[CHAUNCY]

Looks like a whole new quad! I really like the fullbore:)

[86350x]

Thanks everyone, not sure what's next, open to some suggestions. Right now I'm going to enjoy riding her till winter comes.

The front plastic is kind of a pain to install, and I have an old style polished stainless grill comming for it.

[worm]

what kind of silencer is that?

[flyin#5]

i belive those are toomy silencers, and pipes.

[86350x]

Toomey t5's was told by toomey that the old t5's work better with built motors then the new tr6's. So I picked up a set of them. I have to run spark arrestors here, that's what those funny things are at the end of the silencers. They changed the design though, now they snap ring into the silenvers instead of clamping on to them, wich is kinda cool.

The new pipes work great!:macho

[ledofthezep]

Right on man! Looks great, gotta get me some fullbores. :D Nice bike too!

[Rip_Tear]

looks awsome! But I like the white plastic better :( Good job!

[86350x]

Thanks again,

The more I look at it the more I like it, I wasn't sure on the color. Dad wanted me to make it blue to match my dirt bike. It tends to grow on you, I'm pretty happy with the blue.

[AndrewRRR]

I've always liked the fullbore plastic on banshees. Those tips on the T5's are funny, i figured they must be spark arrestors.
Have you done any motor work yet?

[86350x]

Porting,ported wiseco pistons to match the intake and exhaust ports, milled stock head, tm34mm flat slide carbs, no air box, k/nwith velocity stack (I can put up pics of this) ,boyesen radvalves with carbon fiber reeds, along with a few different sets of pipes. The toomey's stay. They are my fav's so far.

Aftermarket suspension is next. A new 450 is a couple yrs off for me, even after I get one, I'm still gonna keep this bike. Have to run spark arrestors in mich. They snap ring into the muffler now so they fit nice.

:cool:

[killed300ex]

looks great for everything but the rims im not a fan of the gold rims. but still a great job looks good
killed

[86350x]

I was looking at the alba pro comp a-arms and works suspension for the next thing first. I'm not made of money, don't wanna dump a whole whole lot more into it. Anyone have any feed back on those? The shocks and springs would match the quad nicely also. :)

[AndrewRRR]

Originally posted by 86350x
I was looking at the alba pro comp a-arms and works suspension for the next thing first. I'm not made of money, don't wanna dump a whole whole lot more into it. Anyone have any feed back on those? The shocks and springs would match the quad nicely also. :)

Works shocks are a good price/performance value. Lots of banshee duners run them, pretty much anything is better than the stock banshee shocks.
Not sure about alba's a-arms.

[CHAUNCY]

Works shocks are pretty good for the price. Sure they are not the best out there but they are better than stock IMO.

[86350x]

So Elka's or pep's are really worth the extra coin then?

I asked mike from bt (no flaming please) he said they are good a-arms,but will be testing some other ones real soon also.

I'm gonna look into ricky stator and jd performance also. Open to suggestions, and feel free to list the prices if you know them.

[CHAUNCY]

I have read a review about Ricky Stator a-arms and the testers were pleased with them.. He sells them for 495.00 plus shipping I believe.

[86350x]

Cool keep em coming:)

[400grl]

Hey buddy! I had run the Ricky Stator's on my 440 for almost a year now - and I loved them!!!! Well worth the money - and they hold up just fine!!! Mine were super wide, too.....(+3+1). They aren't super flashy - they look like the stock color - but I didn't care! :) GREAT tie rods, too - way better than the Alba ones.....

[86350x]

Cool, finally will get some time to check em out, +2 max for me. Still wanna be able to rip up and down the bull gap trails.:cool:

How have you been getting along with your banshee?

[400grl]

I love it!!! I will be racing it at the TT race at Prescott , so that should be enlightening!!! :)

[86350x]

Good to hear that your enjoying the bike. Wish ya the best in your up comming race.:) All that power, and your light weight, you should do really well.:macho

[86350x]

Lol, looks like t9 (only 90 bucks a peice)wheels are next now, actually pretty soon, I might do a tire rim swap in the mean time.

My bro sold his big bore r for 3 grand:mad: I have no idea why because he didn't even really need the money. AndrewRRR how much hp is your 350 putting out?

How does it run compared to a ported ect banshee? I was gonna help him make his faster, but it's too late now.:(

[AndrewRRR]

Originally posted by 86350x
Lol, looks like t9 (only 90 bucks a peice)wheels are next now, actually pretty soon, I might do a tire rim swap in the mean time.

My bro sold his big bore r for 3 grand:mad: I have no idea why because he didn't even really need the money. AndrewRRR how much hp is your 350 putting out?

How does it run compared to a ported ect banshee? I was gonna help him make his faster, but it's too late now.:(

I haven't dyno'ed it yet, but I will soon hopefully. It's currently getting the exhaust and transfers raised a tad to help the topend. I'm aiming for 80hp, then might go to alky to see how close I can get to 100hp. It cleans up most ported banshees unless they are on alky or ported by the guy that ported my R (Ripp's Powersports).
Thats crazy he sold his big bore R for $3K. The cheapest I see decent stock ones for around here is $4K and big bores start at $5K.

[86350x]

I wonder what my banshee would put out on that dyno. It was an 88, and in good shape, extra tires,wheels plastic, stock jug, along with the ims one. I probrably would have bought it,if I would have known I could have got it for 3 grand. I could beat piped banshee's on it with lighter riders on them.

It would stay with my shee until 4'th, it came out of the hole really hard. He would usually get the holeshot on me, but I would always go by him in 4'th and pull away. I'm running a 15 tooth up front.

I think his wife had alot to do with him getting rid of it.
Don't ever get married.

A 450 thumper is next on my list, and hopefully his.

[out4sand]

I'm gonna look into ricky stator and jd performance also. Open to suggestions, and feel free to list the prices if you know them.

I'm running a set of JD Performance +2+1 A-Arms w/chrome works dual rates on my Shee. It's a world of difference over the stock set up. I had just a set of works dual rates with the stock A-Arms on last year and the new A-Arms gave the quad a completely different ride...all for the better! It rides like a town car now.

I'm pretty sure the A-Arms were $495

[86350x]

Cool,got any pics of that setup?:)

[AndrewRRR]

I don't have a pic of JD's on a banshee but here's the set on my R. http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/AndrewRRR/Rfront.jpg

[out4sand]

+2+1 JD's w/works dual rate shocks

http://www.out4sand.com/images/front_clutch2.jpg

http://www.out4sand.com/images/front_2.jpg

[AndrewRRR]

Sweet machine Mike, I was starting to forget what it looked like since I hadn't seen it since St. Anthony's! I didn't know those were JD A-arms on it. I am going to get mine chromed hopefully this winter along with a bunch of other misc. stuff like brake lever, kickstart, etc.

[86350x]

Both machines look tits guys!

Looks like I have a ways to go with mine. Are they both still a bit narrower then a ds650? I still wanna take mine on the bull gap trails occasionally. If I was out west were it was open I'd have her low and wide for sure.

Do they make a pluss 1, and do they come with tie rods? It's pretty much between them and ricky stator.

[out4sand]

Do they make a pluss 1, and do they come with tie rods?

JD didn't make anything but the +2+1 for the Shee when I purchased mine last winter but it might be different now. Yes. they came with tie rods.


Sweet machine Mike

Thanks! I know it's been awhile..we seemed to miss each other the entire rest of the summer. I know what you mean, mines going to come apart again this winter to paint/power coat the frame and chrome some small stuff like yourself. I have no idea why I didn't do it when it was down to nothing when I did the motor last winter. Guess I got in a hurry toward the end and wanted it back together. I almost ordered the chrome JD's but the lead-time was a little longer then I wanted and this set was in-stock & on the bike in 4 days

[AndrewRRR]

Originally posted by out4sand
I have no idea why I didn't do it when it was down to nothing when I did the motor last winter. Guess I got in a hurry toward the end and wanted it back together. I almost ordered the chrome JD's but the lead-time was a little longer then I wanted and this set was in-stock & on the bike in 4 days

Haha, I know exactly what you mean. I had mine stripped to nothing when I PC'ed the frame and I was going to get the chroming done then but the weather started warming up and my motor got done and I just got too antsy to ride!
Hopefully this winter I'll have enough cash to do what I want to do to it. So far I'm looking at 22" extreme haulers, a +8 swingarm, and the chroming. My motor builder also is tempting me with a 40mm Lectron alky carb for a very nice price, so we'll see.

[86350x]

Originally posted by out4sand
I'm running a set of JD Performance +2+1 A-Arms w/chrome works dual rates on my Shee. It's a world of difference over the stock set up. I had just a set of works dual rates with the stock A-Arms on last year and the new A-Arms gave the quad a completely different ride...all for the better! It rides like a town car now.

I'm pretty sure the A-Arms were $495

Do you have anything done to the rear, or are you just running a stock rear suspension?

And fo course what all do you have done to the motor?

[out4sand]

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Do you have anything done to the rear, or are you just running a stock rear suspension?

I have a +4 swingarm but am running the stock shock. Mine still seems to be working great so I haven't upgraded yet.


And fo course what all do you have done to the motor?

Patriot Racing custom built duner motor with 30 over pro-lite pistons, ported & polished, true & welded crank, case mods & matching, shift star mod, Cool head with 19cc domes, Keihin PWK 28 carbs, UPP intakes, Delta Force reeds, reed spacers, K&N's, Barrnett clutch w/billet basket, timing advance plate, T-5's w/Cascade FSFX silencers, chrome front works shocks, +2+1 JD Performance A-Arms, +4 swingarm, braided brake lines, Ricky Stator high output stator, PIAA lights, lot's of billet & chrome, custom painted cases & custom "GLITTER" painted plastics

I'm now running a set of 22x11x8 - 9 paddle Haulers in the rear

There is a very good possible I may "upgrade" the motor to a 4mm stroker this winter.

[86350x]

You guys were talking about power valve set ups and cheeta cylinders.

How reliable are they?

Around 3 grand (cost)? Would all the stuff I already have on my quad work with them. Carbs, rad valves, pipes ect.

And have either of you drag raced an uncorked yfz 450? I went looking for them a couple of weeks ago (local sand riding spot), but couldn't find any to drag race.

[AndrewRRR]

Originally posted by 86350x
You guys were talking about power valve set ups and cheeta cylinders.

How reliable are they?

Around 3 grand (cost)? Would all the stuff I already have on my quad work with them. Carbs, rad valves, pipes ect.

And have either of you drag raced an uncorked yfz 450? I went looking for them a couple of weeks ago (local sand riding spot), but couldn't find any to drag race.

The PV motors help a lot with the bottom end, which is where the banshee is lacking. They are just as reliable as any other banshee as long as it's built by a professional. You can take a cheetah or t-rex to extremes with porting and run it on the ragged edge and basically turn it into a grenade, but you can do that with any motor.
The t-rex motor is $2000. You'll want to get it ported by a good shop. For carb's i'd reccommend 34mm+, you want some good pipes like CPI, etc. A cheetah (from what i've heard) is just a stroked t-rex, a stroker crank can tack on another $1000.
I have seen stock piped yfz's beat piped banshees, and piped yfz's give good runs to (very mildly) built banshees. They are nice machines.

[out4sand]

A cheetah (from what i've heard) is just a stroked t-rex, a stroker crank can tack on another $1000.

One of the options my motor builder offered me was a Cheetah set up and with that I only had to use a 4mm stroke (but you can go all the way upto a 10mm). With the 4mm crank will run about $500.

A couple more things to thing to think about if you’re stepping up to a motor combo in this range is the clutch. It would be best to put in a billet clutch basket and also an upgraded aftermarket clutch of some sort. You also need some sort of extended swing arm if your running in the sand other wise you're front end will never be on the ground. Last but not least, everyone that I know that has any type of powervalve set up has to run straight race gas.


I have seen stock piped yfz's beat piped banshees, and piped yfz's give good runs to (very mildly) built banshees. They are nice machines.

I agree totally, the yfz is the first thumper that I've seen that can truly run with piped & mildly built shees stright off the showroom floor.

[86350x]

So ones beating 60-70 hp banshee's is just a bunch of bull****?

I am in the 60+hp range on mine, wanted to see what one would really do against mine, and that's the next machine I really plan on buying.

I didn't have to do any real internal motor work on my wr 426, and I beat my budds built up cr250 everytime we race. So I know the motor is for real, just didn't think it would be smoking 50hp r's and 60hp banshee's nearly out of the crate (aka buttplugg removed, and no air box lid).

[AndrewRRR]

If a stock or piped YFZ is beating a true 70hp shee, the shee rider needs to be hit in the head with a tack hammer and banned from riding for life. There are, of course people that THINK their piped shee with a Toys R Us port job puts out 70hp... until they race a bike that really is putting out that kind of power.

[86350x]

Ilmao.

Like I said, I know mine puts out a little over 60(micro edm ported mine), It has a crap load of stuff done to it, and i have pics of the ports.

Where is 400grl, maybe she got to drag race some last weekend on her piped shee.

In other words a ported shee should beat a yfz.

[AndrewRRR]

Originally posted by 86350x

In other words a ported shee should beat a yfz.

yep