GNCC Class changes

[lt250r91]

I've got a couple ideas I was thinking about on changes the GNCC classes to next year. What do you all think. I'm planning on submitting a copy of the following to Racer Production. I wanted to run it buy some others first to get opinions on it and once it's finalize it would be great if we could get a large group to sent the same e-mail to them. If a mass ask for the same thing we have a better chance of them listening and mayber changing it. Well here is what i have so far:

Afternoon Classes

Pro No changes
Pro Production: Allow any current production model atv (including 2-strokes, etc. Banshee, Blaster GasGas 300)

A Class (440/250, 16-24): 16 to 24 old C riders with up to 440cc 4-strokes or up to 250cc 2-strokes

A Class (440/250, 25 & up): 25+ old C riders with up to 440cc 4-strokes or up to 250cc 2-strokes

A Class Open (16-24): 16 to 24 old C riders Open class (big bores)
A Class Open (25 & up): 25+ old C riders Open class (big bores)

B Class (440/250, 16-24): 16 to 24 old C riders with up to 440cc 4-strokes or up to 250cc 2-strokes

B Class (440/250, 25 & up): 25+ old C riders with up to 440cc 4-strokes or up to 250cc 2-strokes

B Class Open (16-24): 16 to 24 old C riders Open class (big bores)

B Class Open (25 & up): 25+ old C riders Open class (big bores)

Sport: Moves to Morning race

Junior: Class is gone riders can choose from 25 & up A or B class instead

Vet: No changes

Senior: No changes

Std starting order:
Row 1 Top 20 Pros
Row 2 Remaining Pros
Row 3 A Class Open (25 & up)
Row 4 A Class (440/250, 25 & up)
Row 5 A Class Open (16-24)
Row 6 A Class (440/250, 16-24)
Row 7 Vet
Row 8 Senior
Row 9 B Class Open (25 & up)
Row 10 B Class (440/250, 25 & up)
Row 11 B Class Open (16-24)
Row 12 B Class (440/250, 16-24)


A classes rotate start spots per round to allow all 4 class to start in row 3
B classes rotate start spots per round to allow all 4 class to start in row 9


Morning Classes:

Stock Production (440/250): Stock 4-strokes up to 440cc and 2-strokes up to 250cc

Stock Production (open): Stock 4-strokes +440cc and 2-strokes +250cc

C Class (440/250, 16-24): 16 to 24 old C riders with up to 440cc 4-strokes or up to 250cc 2-strokes

C Class (440/250, 25 & up): 25+ old C riders with up to 440cc 4-strokes or up to 250cc 2-strokes

C Class Open (16-24): 16 to 24 old C riders Open class (big bores)

C Class Open (25 & up): 25+ old C riders Open class (big bores)

Super Senior (50+): No changes

Women: No changes
Utility Stock (shaft): No Changes
Utility Modified: No Changes
Utility Unlimited: No Changes

First Year Racer: Gets points and crowns champion at end of season for sponsor reason, Champion also receives year end award.


Another changes are in starting order Rotate Women's, Stock classes and Ute. Unlimted on front row

Std starting order:
Row 1 Women / Super Senior
Row 2 Stock Production Open
Row 3 Stock Production
Row 4 Utility Unlimited
Row 5 Utility Modified
Row 6 C Class Open (25 & up)
Row 7 C Class (440/250, 25 & up)
Row 8 C Class Open (16-24)
Row 9 C Class (440/250, 16-24)
Row 10 Sport Class (moved from afternoon to morning)
Row 11 Utility Stock (shaft)
Row 12 First Year Racer

The main reason I feel that changing the classes is to open all classes up to 2 or 4 strokes since 2-stroke are getting smaller and the 4-stroke classes are getting too big. This structure will be based on skill level and similar engine size quads.

[GNCC#829]

I like it, but it seems a little complicated.

In the First year racer class, they have no way of checking to see if it actually is someone's first year racing. So, it would be hard to crown a champion of a "First Year" class if they are not certain that it is everyone's first year racing a quad.

[250EXstud]

They need to change the rule to 450 with the new yamaha and honda.

[Wingnut]

I agree that it's complicated. And, like GNCC#829 said, they have no way of knowing if it is someones first year or not (I believe that the rule actually says first year of AMA racing, which is too broad and would let some of our local pros in the class). At this past race the guy that won my class, 4-Storke C 16-24, raced 4-Stroke A earlier this season, and they didn't even catch that!

[erac4019]

Originally posted by 250EXstud
They need to change the rule to 450 with the new yamaha and honda.
Why? The new Yamaha is only 439cc:D

[240GNCC400]

i dont think there should be age divisions for A class or B class. do the divisions by engine size/type. i do think they need to have clear cut qualifications for moving within classes. and once you have qualified to race a class you shouldnt be able to move down to an easier class.

[bradley300]

i think two and four strokes should only mix in pro, pro production (i have always thought it was unfair to yamaha and gas gas for not being able to run pro production) , open classes and first year.

other than that, thumpers and ring dings should be seperate (mainly applies to the 250 class)

i think sport should stay in the afternoon (for personal reasons, but this also keeps a more equal number of classes in each race i think)

change 250 classes to 2 stroke a,b and c, no displacement limit, just like fourstroke a,b, and c. this helps banshee and gas gas owners not be so restricted to the open classes

think thats it for now, but i'll post if i think of more.

not sure about a,b and c age rules

morning race, no changes in any classes, except four stroke stock should be split at 401 cc

[rowlrag]

Pro same, Prod. 2 and 4st, but you still have to have a 4st A and 2st A seperate untill 2strokes don't exist. And Open for both. So actually I would leave it alone except move sport to morn.

[popo]

Why change it, they can't organize what they have in place already....

[rowlrag]

Originally posted by popo
Why change it, they can't organize what they have in place already....
True.

Originally posted by popo
Why change it, they can't organize what they have in place already....


Ain't that the friggen truth. I think they've finally confused themselves into severe stupidity....:eek2: I here the curfew at the races is gonna be 8 PM...:ermm:

[adam250r]

top 25 first row, 26-50 second row, remaining pros, 2 stroke a, 4 stroke a, move sport down to morning. Everything else stays the same. The reason for lines 1 and 2 being top 50 is there are ALOT of A riders who are faster than a large # of Pros. Why do guys who consistently finish in the top 30 have to start in rows 3-5 when there are guys in rows 1-2 that are consistently finishing outside the top 30 and not because of mechanical problems.

[bradley300]

also, get rid of the cc rule in the sport class, they already have a list of certain models that can run the class, the cc limit (350cc) isnt needed.

[Dunlap]

Originally posted by bradley300 They want to keep the cost down in this class to keep it so everyone who does not have alot of money can race, you wouldnt want people to show up with one of my $2200 390cc kits in the 300ex or a 446cc warrior. Whats the bore and stroke on your 350 kit?
also, get rid of the cc rule in the sport class, they already have a list of certain models that can run the class, the cc limit (350cc) isnt needed.

[bradley300]

i have no idea what the bore is on my 350, stroke is stock. i understand what your saying thoughbut dont you think its unfair that a 300 or blaster could run a 350 kit with insane hp numbers, but a warrior has to keep a stock bore and stroke?

how about a certain cc over stock rule, like each motor can only have 80 cc over stock
275 blasters, 362 300ex's, 430 warriors etc.

[cdalejef]

Go to work Bradly!!!:mad:

[Dunlap]

The 300ex out handles all the rest so it really matter what size motor they would have. A 82mm piston will give you a 345cc motor but a 83mm would take you over to a 354cc. You might want to ask your motor builder what size you really have.

[LS@GtThunder]

Originally posted by bradley300
i have no idea what the bore is on my 350, stroke is stock.

82.5mm - Now you know Bradley.

LS

[rowlrag]

Bradley, you gotta keep all the bolts in it before you worry about being out powered! LMAO:eek:

[exman]

I think they should add a youth class of 200/300 cc for 14-15 year olds Like the GNC MX does. Great turn out on that this year. Started with two riders in that class the first race and ended up with 22 riders by Lorretta lynns in Aug. There are alot of 14/15 year olds out there that are just to big for a 90cc.

[Holeshot36]

Originally posted by erac4019
Why? The new Yamaha is only 439cc:D
The honda is 450, plus i believe if they and the gnc change it to 450 yamaha will bump there quad up to 450cc. I also agree with exman about the youth classes.

[gncc400exxx]

Any offical world on the mid-season stock class rules change? IE running shocks with cans? I know the yfz won the last round and it has cans , so am I able to put cans on my ex? looks like there is room for the blaze now with the rule change.

[DeCesare79]

Here is what I think it should be. Not in the proper starting order.

Afternoon
Pro
Pro Production
2 Stroke A
Production A
Open A
2 Stroke B
Production B
Open B
Junior
Vet
Senior

Morning:
Super Stock Class(NO MODS, straight off the dealer floor!)
Production C
2 Stroke C
Sport
Open C
Super Senior
Women
Utility Classes
First Year (No Points)

Not much different, but the way I see it, displacement doesnt make a difference. It is all about the rider when you get into the upper classes. You will have A riders beating some of the pro's, but ideally those riders will be the Pros the following year.

[lt250r91]

GNCC400exxx

The anwser I was told by Rita at the last round was that the rules states that if the machien comes with them in stock form then it is ok to run them, but you can not add rezzies to your quad. So how the rules are written as of now. The YFZ450, GasGas 450, and Trx450r are the only 3 that are allowed to have cans on them. So it would be illegal for a 400ex to have them. As for the cannondale blaze/moto if your read the FAQS section it states that they aren't allowed in the stock class. I don't see Racer production letting the Blaze or Moto in the Stock class do to no longer being in production. So basically the YFZ will have advantage for the remainder of the season.

[bradley300]

thanks laz

i'm gonna stop arguing, rowlrags right

[countypark]

I like the sport class as is. It doesn't really matter if you run it am or pm though. size rules are perfect i think but MD is right about everything but 300ex's having a handling disadvantage. But they all cost less then the honda also. But some shocks.

I came in sixth in the last race with a stock bore 300. I would have beat the MD quad thru the first turn if mine would have been built to 330. Probably would have finished top 5 also. Before I blew my 330 I was extremely happy with the power.

[Dunlap]

Originally posted by countypark
I like the sport class as is. It doesn't really matter if you run it am or pm though. size rules are perfect i think but MD is right about everything but 300ex's having a handling disadvantage. But they all cost less then the honda also. But some shocks.

I came in sixth in the last race with a stock bore 300. I would have beat the MD quad thru the first turn if mine would have been built to 330. Probably would have finished top 5 also. Before I blew my 330 I was extremely happy with the power. I think you misread what I said about the handling of a 300ex.

[countypark]

No I just wrote it wrong. The 300EX does handle better then all of the other's. I meant all the others don't handle as well as th 300ex.

What happened to your rider at Taylortown? He was flyin.

[exman]

SHOULD ADD 14-15 year old class 200/300cc aircooled, just like the GNC has for MX.

[Dunlap]

What happened to your rider at Taylortown? He was flyin. [/B][/QUOTE] Bearing went out of the rear end,should have had new ones during the break!

[bradley300]

why does everyone want the sport class moved anyway? just wondering, i thought they were doing alright in the afternoon. they beat some of the people in the class ahead of them most of the time, dave macarol even got 53rd overall at the penton, dosent seem to shabby from the last row

[countypark]

I agree with Bradley.

The SPORT class was intended to be a B class to accomodate some of the 1,000,000 plus 300's warriors, and blaster riders out there. These machines have been around since the 80's and there is alot of talented riders who own them. Like Mr. Clapp and Dave M.

Step back in time 4 or 5 years and look at what was racing, 250R's Honda and Suzuki, 250X/300EX's. I like racing in the afternoon. We might not be as fast as the guys out front but we can hold our own.

[DeCesare79]

The reason I think that the sport class should be moved to the AM is because I would like to see some of sport riders (McCarroll) run with the women and stock classes. I think top 5 overall in the AM is better than 80th in the PM. If a 300ex beat some of the AM riders, I think it would turn some heads.

[jlhughes750]

hey Decesare79 check your PM box, i sent some stuff your way!!!!

[countypark]

You make a good point JL.

But I bet the top 3 or 4 woman would like to run in the PM as well as the top stockers.

Either way its good racing.

[bradley300]

tlc was kikken *** on her tc 330 last year, i see your point, i just like the afternoon because i work until 10 everynight, so i need all the time i can get to a race.just a personal reason though.

i'd probably move to fourstroke b if they moved sport to a.m.

i do like the idea of placing higher in a morning race though.

[Ryan]

I would like to see the female racers in the afternoon race. This way Jeff can run the afternoon races! :D :eek:

[rowlrag]

He already runs the afternoon so maybe he IS in the wrong class?:D