View Full Version : KaZaA users getting sued!
David
09-09-2003, 09:57 PM
Today on the news there was 261 people that got sued for downloading stuff off of KaZaA and something else. What they did is went and uploaded off of people then sued them. There was 12 year old kid that got sued to. :(
where have u been haha, they been issuing 800 something subpoenas to isp each week, when the subpoena them the isp is forced to hand over all the info then they sue u
Originally posted by David
Today on the news there was 261 people that got sued for downloading stuff off of KaZaA and something else. What they did is went and uploaded off of people then sued them. There was 12 year old kid that got sued to. :(
So, what, no more free ride? Welcome to the real world, you have to pay to recieve someone elses work.
Joe
Adam202
09-09-2003, 10:03 PM
id suggest not sharing files, ONLY download, and id keep under 1,000 songs ;)
Originally posted by JOEX
So, what, no more free ride? Welcome to the real world, you have to pay to recieve someone elses work.
Joe
yeah what a rip, half the songs suck too 15 bucks for a bunch of ****ty songs, plus i can sample new stuff off kazaa and get into new bands and music, i think kazaa is good
F-16Guy
09-09-2003, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by freeride132
yeah what a rip, half the songs suck too 15 bucks for a bunch of ****ty songs, plus i can sample new stuff off kazaa and get into new bands and music, i think kazaa is good
Joe, I don't think he picked up on your sarcasm, could you lay it on a little thicker?:D
Originally posted by freeride132
yeah what a rip, half the songs suck too 15 bucks for a bunch of ****ty songs, plus i can sample new stuff off kazaa and get into new bands and music, i think kazaa is good
I agree that there are a bunch of bands that have one or two decent songs and paying $15 for for an entire cd is a rip off. But everyone wants to get paid for their work.
Do you or any of you others that are reading this work for a living? Do you want to get paid for just your best work or all of the work you do?
I'm not flaming anyone, just want to let everyone realize that most of us has to work for a living.
Joe
Originally posted by F-16Guy
Joe, I don't think he picked up on your sarcasm, could you lay it on a little thicker?:D
LOL! I'm feeling old...... maybe I should buy a utility quad:blah: :D
Joe
stupid driver
09-09-2003, 10:27 PM
i think its fair. Music is their occupation . Sellin their CD's is their paycheck . How would you like it if someone just came and ripped up your paycheck right in front of your face. Thats wut it would be like
yeah i was watching mtv cribs, those poor musicians are really suffering from kazaa,its sure good old folks and young children are getting sued for downloading there favorite oldies songs they might not even be aware of is illegal, u know, come to think of it, if forcing a couple families to lose everything will allow some band to hire a 2nd maid go for it, they deserve it for singing into a microphone and playing with some strings on a guitar
actually there overpaid selfish stuck up snobs that dont give a damn about anyone but there self, hard work yeah ok, if anyone deserves there money its somone actually earning it, farmers, construction workers deserve it for there efforts more than a bunch of punks who blow there money on cars jewlery, and drugs, and end up washed up womanizers at 40 years old
HondaChris
09-09-2003, 10:39 PM
So I suppose they should sue the companies that produce blank cassette tapes...and dual deck tape decks...and blank cd's...and cd burners...and the people who burn cd's for their friends.
Originally posted by freeride132
yeah i was watching mtv cribs, those poor musicians are really suffering from kazaa,its sure good old folks and young children are getting sued for downloading there favorite oldies songs they might not even be aware of is illegal, u know, come to think of it, if forcing a couple families to lose everything will allow some band to hire a 2nd maid go for it, they deserve it for singing into a microphone and playing with some strings on a guitar
actually there overpaid selfish stuck up snobs that dont give a damn about anyone but there self, hard work yeah ok, if anyone deserves there money its somone actually earning it, farmers, construction workers deserve it for there efforts more than a bunch of punks who blow there money on cars jewlery, and drugs, and end up washed up womanizers at 40 years old
What do you do for a living?
Joe
they could sue u for burning cds, just like copying videos
Originally posted by JOEX
What do you do for a living?
Joe
i dont work to live, i work to ride, so technically i dont do anything for a living, how can u not see my pt at all? there greedy and selfish....i dont care if they have a pt they have more than enough money and this doesnt even affect musicians income they make majority of there money from touring and there recorde deal, record companies are the ones who suffer from a decrease in album sales
Originally posted by HondaChris
So I suppose they should sue the companies that produce blank cassette tapes...and dual deck tape decks...and blank cd's...and cd burners...and the people who burn cd's for their friends.
You are nit picking. That kind of stuff has been going on for decades.
With the internet age, Kazaa, Napster (remember them?) it is a whole different ballgame.
I'm not defending the music industry, just the working class industry.
Joe
musicians are not the working class how can u begin to consider that work
Originally posted by freeride132
i dont work to live, i work to ride, so technically i dont do anything for a living, how can u not see my pt at all? there greedy and selfish....i dont care if they have a pt they have more than enough money and this doesnt even affect musicians income they make majority of there money from touring and there recorde deal, record companies are the ones who suffer from a decrease in album sales
Well, when/if you ever have to to work for a living you will understand.
I know that there are many other circumstances involved in the music industry and the actual muscians only get a fraction of the pie, it is much smaller when so many people are downloading it for free.
Joe
Originally posted by freeride132
musicians are not the working class how can u begin to consider that work
WTF do you do?
Joe
batgeek
09-09-2003, 11:00 PM
freeride, i suggest you don't talk about what you don't know.
musicians get fuct by the record companies. if you want someone to blame, blame the record companies not the musicians.
you dont work for a living? you work to ride?
d@mn must be nice living in a cave being hungry all the time.
HondaChris
09-09-2003, 11:09 PM
I dont see where its nit-picking. Sharing is sharing...there is no grey area. I am not defending them, but just making the point. Yes it has been going on for decades, and if it wasn't that big of deal before, it's not that big of deal now. I think they just need to quit being such whine-asses over not selling a cd at Wal-Mart. And I hope eventually enough people do share enough tunes that it would make a difference in some musicians life to go without some of the NECESSITIES in life like a maid...or get rid of one or two of the nine vehicles out in the garage. Highly unlikely that would happen, but it would be kinda neat to see.
yeah im only 18 i just graduated so i live at home for now
if being a musician is so tough for them why dont they get a reg job for no where near as much pay and working 2 times as hard doing something they dont like as much, i cant bleive u guys that work 40 hr a week dont agree with me
i dont see being a musician a job because its something u want to do that you enjoy doing...that your not forced to do to survive, they should be happy to make any money
it would like paying me to ride for team honda or something id love every minute of it regardless of the pay, u think ud hear me ***** and complain..no! sure its work but when u consider you could be busting your *** for 8 bucks a hr in a factory if even that much pay you should be greatful for doing something you love in the first place, not greedy
you guys think im a dick but truth is if you can live comfortably doing something you enjoy doing and you ***** and whine about everything all the time, u dont deserve what you got and you should be punched in the face
Originally posted by HondaChris
I dont see where its nit-picking. Sharing is sharing...there is no grey area. I am not defending them, but just making the point. Yes it has been going on for decades, and if it wasn't that big of deal before, it's not that big of deal now. I think they just need to quit being such whine-asses over not selling a cd at Wal-Mart. And I hope eventually enough people do share enough tunes that it would make a difference in some musicians life to go without some of the NECESSITIES in life like a maid...or get rid of one or two of the nine vehicles out in the garage. Highly unlikely that would happen, but it would be kinda neat to see.
Some day you will understand that there a different classes in life. Some people make more money than others and are fortunate enough to afford the "maid service". I, myself will be lucky if I earn 25K this year. Just enough to get by and barely support my hobbies. When you start learning about the wordly economy you might understand. I am in no way any expert in this subject, just a real life person.
Joe
batgeek
09-09-2003, 11:30 PM
if being a musician is so tough for them why dont they get a reg job
because some of them make good music and are good at it? amazing....
i dont see being a musician a job because its something u want to do that you enjoy doing
just because YOU dont think so....ROFL
doing what they do is not hard....even if they enjoy it. i enjoy what i do and its hard as hell. whats your point?
it would like paying me to ride for team honda or something id love every minute of it regardless of the pay, u think ud hear me ***** and complain..no!
yes, human nature is to want more....give it time, you'll start b!tching about it.
you guys think im a dick but truth is if you can live comfortably doing something you enjoy doing and you ***** and whine about everything all the time, u dont deserve what you got and you should be punched in the face
again, your lack of information on how artists get ripped off by record companies nullifies your point.
yeah i dont care phuck em, if they can get ripped off and afford 5 houses 10 cars and a bunch of other bs they must have it good
Bretmd94
09-09-2003, 11:35 PM
I hope they dont sue the people that just download porn vids:eek:
Originally posted by Bretmd94
I hope you dont get sued for downloading porn vids from kazaa :eek:
i dont waste my time gettin the porn there, check out some good sites like milf hunter, capt stabbin, you get more of a variety and better quality
Originally posted by freeride132
yeah im only 18 i just graduated so i live at home for now
if being a musician is so tough for them why dont they get a reg job for no where near as much pay and working 2 times as hard doing something they dont like as much, i cant bleive u guys that work 40 hr a week dont agree with me
i dont see being a musician a job because its something u want to do that you enjoy doing...that your not forced to do to survive, they should be happy to make any money
it would like paying me to ride for team honda or something id love every minute of it regardless of the pay, u think ud hear me ***** and complain..no! sure its work but when u consider you could be busting your *** for 8 bucks a hr in a factory if even that much pay you should be greatful for doing something you love in the first place, not greedy
you guys think im a dick but truth is if you can live comfortably doing something you enjoy doing and you ***** and whine about everything all the time, u dont deserve what you got and you should be punched in the face
First off, read my previos reply....
I understand you are a younger person and you think you know what is right and wrong, which is normal for a person of your age. I'm not flaming you, it is when you get a bit older you will understand where all of this is comming from, hopfully.
I don't have a whole lot but I have earned everything I do have.
Joe
batgeek
09-09-2003, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by freeride132
yeah i dont care phuck em, if they can get ripped off and afford 5 houses 10 cars and a bunch of other bs they must have it good
just a tad bit jealous.....:ermm:
Originally posted by freeride132
yeah i dont care phuck em, if they can get ripped off and afford 5 houses 10 cars and a bunch of other bs they must have it good
I bought my first house by the time I was 22 (1991) making less than $9.00 and hour.
Joe
Crazy4bluEx
09-09-2003, 11:59 PM
until i can go into a record store and get a cd burnt from single songs off of any c.d. to make myself a mix of music i will enjoy, for $20 a cd i better enjoy it. I will continue downloading. Musicians are pirates, and i agree with free-ride, i have no respect for the "rollin on dubs" "3 million dollar house" people. I will not support them with "guessing" their album is good music, if i can pay a premium PER SONG i would do it, but for $20 a cd, and some c.d.'s i only like one song, possibly 4 or 5 at the most. I am a junior in highschool, and i know that if i was a musician making as much money as they already make, i would be THANKFUL for what i have. i think teachers should be the most OVER PAYED position, but they are sadly the more UNDERPAYED class. enough venting and to each his own. to stay out of this matter, move your files from your "kazaa shared" to another location on your computer, and dont share files, therefore you are only using them for your PERSONAL use and could be "replacing" a stolen c.d. so they cant say anything.
I agree that teachers are underpaid but they are not baby sitters either. The teaching profession has no bearing on what is being discussed here.
Find another forum.
It is not about what individual songs you like, it is about buying a person/group/bands work.
99% ofthe people will agree with you buying the individual songs that are liked is a better deal. But at the moment that is not legal. Buy the whole CD or Single or nothing at all.
Joe
400exrules
09-10-2003, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by freeride132
yeah i was watching mtv cribs, those poor musicians are really suffering from kazaa,its sure good old folks and young children are getting sued for downloading there favorite oldies songs they might not even be aware of is illegal, u know, come to think of it, if forcing a couple families to lose everything will allow some band to hire a 2nd maid go for it, they deserve it for singing into a microphone and playing with some strings on a guitar
actually there overpaid selfish stuck up snobs that dont give a damn about anyone but there self, hard work yeah ok, if anyone deserves there money its somone actually earning it, farmers, construction workers deserve it for there efforts more than a bunch of punks who blow there money on cars jewlery, and drugs, and end up washed up womanizers at 40 years old
EXACTLY WHAT IVE BEEN THINKING!!! these million dollar musicians go cryin like babies because all us non rich folks are tryin to say alittle money for ourselves when we need it and they dont need anymore money, they WANT more money
i saw on t.v. about this rapper who has a $2 million necklace :huh :cuss: then they go cryin that there not gettin $10 million checks anymore!!! only $3 million checks..............
i say the musicians can suck it up and f*ck off, there acting like whiny baby pansies
GetHigh250r
09-10-2003, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by 400exrules
EXACTLY WHAT IVE BEEN THINKING!!! these million dollar musicians go cryin like babies because all us non rich folks are tryin to say alittle money for ourselves when we need it and they dont need anymore money, they WANT more money
i saw on t.v. about this rapper who has a $2 million necklace :huh :cuss: then they go cryin that there not gettin $10 million checks anymore!!! only $3 million checks..............
i say the musicians can suck it up and f*ck off, there acting like whiny baby pansies
im with these guys...i understand joe, but in a different way...It is off subject but if it was someone else's money at loss, such as a family or something yea it would matter and id be against it...but joe ur sticking up for some rich dickhead that is laughing in your face cause u go out and work a hard 40 hour week and then spend half ur damn check on his cd so he can get his 5th house on a beach and fill the garage with million dollar cars...screw that
400exstunta
09-10-2003, 03:34 PM
no they cant. they can sue you for selling copies of that cd you burned to others however.
that is why people sharing music are getting in trouble. because they are infringing on copyrights. read a copyright sometime, it states that its not to be duplicated for re-sale but can be for own personal use. or something close to that...
Originally posted by freeride132
they could sue u for burning cds, just like copying videos
Originally posted by batgeek
just a tad bit jealous.....:ermm:
of course, arent you?
Rip_Tear
09-10-2003, 04:14 PM
I don't know if I missed it but, Musicians aren't paid by how many CD's are sold (well not most of them) only the record company gets paid by how many CD's are sold. Just to clear that up, BTW you are legally allow to "sample" music, so you can just say you "sampled" the music deleted and either bought, or decided not to buy it, then its okay... Just a little tid bit... (this may not be true everywhere...)
spectre
09-10-2003, 05:55 PM
is there any program like kazaa that you can download that IS legal, or a site or something?
batgeek
09-10-2003, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by freeride132
of course, arent you?
nope i'm quite happy and satisfied with my life and the direction it's going. why should i be jealous.
seems you should get up off your ***** and do something to make you happy instead of "working to ride" ROFL
Atreyu
09-10-2003, 06:45 PM
yeah I had like 3000+ files so now i deleted down to 265 so i dont get sued..:(
Adam202
09-10-2003, 06:47 PM
if you use kazaa or grokster or something else you ussualy have the option to share files or not, if you choose not to share so people cant download off you i dont think it would matter. but im not sure.
markeg192
09-10-2003, 07:37 PM
Freeride is right. These musicians are geedy babies. Sell CDs at a reasonable price and Kazaa wouldn't exsist. Eminem made 30 million dollars last year so let's all cry about the money music sharing cost him.
batgeek
09-10-2003, 08:24 PM
uninformed people are annoying.
Eminem didn't make 30mil just off of his record sales.
get your facts straight before you argue a topic.
Originally posted by batgeek
nope i'm quite happy and satisfied with my life and the direction it's going. why should i be jealous.
seems you should get up off your ***** and do something to make you happy instead of "working to ride" ROFL
why, riding is what makes me happy, i dont have to pay for food, electric, water, rent and what not yet, so i basically work just to get the things i want and car insurance and what not, whats wrong with that
you must have a pretty good job if u can afford to ride a kawasaki rofl!
Originally posted by batgeek
uninformed people are annoying.
Eminem didn't make 30mil just off of his record sales.
get your facts straight before you argue a topic.
how do you know im not informed and you have been misinformed?
batgeek
09-10-2003, 08:52 PM
because you haven't showed that you know much. everything you post is just your opinion. in the real world, your opinion doesn't mean *****.
have a nice day.
you must have a pretty good job if u can afford to ride a kawasaki rofl!
hehe 18yo dumbchit.
call me back when you own a house, own 2 vehicles. pay your own bills, have real credit cards, etc...
must be nice to live with your parents still....no responsibility, just f*ck off and let Mommy and Daddy pay for your stuff.
much respect to you. :rolleyes:
I just got home frome my JOB so I had to catch up on what has been going. Looks like the same ol' story.....
Originally posted by batgeek
because you haven't showed that you know much. everything you post is just your opinion. in the real world, your opinion doesn't mean *****.
have a nice day.
hehe 18yo dumbchit.
call me back when you own a house, own 2 vehicles. pay your own bills, have real credit cards, etc...
must be nice to live with your parents still....no responsibility, just f*ck off and let Mommy and Daddy pay for your stuff.
much respect to you. :rolleyes:
I was about to say the same thing;)
Joe
ahahahahaha, but what your saying is just your opinion too, but u think ur right and i think im right so u call me names and flame me , i work its under the table but its work non the less
batgeek
09-10-2003, 09:55 PM
if i want to state my opinion, i will say that.
you just don't understand enough about how things work yet.
don't worry, it will all come in time.
Originally posted by freeride132
ahahahahaha, but what your saying is just your opinion too, but u think ur right and i think im right so u call me names and flame me , i work its under the table but its work non the less
Enjoy the "free ride" while you can, leeching off your parents.
If you ever have to support yourself you just might understand....
Joe
markeg192
09-10-2003, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by batgeek
uninformed people are annoying.
Eminem didn't make 30mil just off of his record sales.
get your facts straight before you argue a topic.
No one said he did. You can download movies off Kazaa too. Doesn't matter he still made $29,999,998 tan he earned. Freeride enjoy being young and living at home while you can.
MOUSE
09-11-2003, 06:16 AM
i have been working a one job or another since i was 13 years old, before that i worked everyday in my grandads field and helped my dad with his biusness in the shop and in the field. at 16 i bought and worked to pay for my own 92 s10 truck and the ins. to put it on the highway, at 22 i am paying for my home and married with all the bills and things that come along with that.
suffice it to say nothing was gave to me i have worked my ***** off for everything ive gotten, and trust me when i say that bill collectors dont care if your sick or your wife has to go to the doctor and you have to pay doctor bills.
i can see both sides of this discussion, and i wont say either way which is right because every situation is different.
but i will say this
i would like to see a movie star or singer work some of the jobs that i have had over the span of my life and see how far he made it.
the only thing i have a problem with is when they complain about how bad their life is and how hard it is to be catered to every day.
ewalker302
09-11-2003, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by JOEX
I just got home frome my JOB so I had to catch up on what has been going. Looks like the same ol' story.....
Joe
Hey everybody Joex has a job for the 20th time.
I love Kazaa & Im not about to quit using it in fact im downloading right now.
Notice how they are settling their suits out of court??
If everybody just said ok see ya in court buddy they would back way off b/c of the costs involved.
Starting things off by going after a 12 year old girl is really going to garner them some sympathy too I bet.
The RIAA camn kiss my butt.
They have been ripping off consumers for decades.
Sure, a cd cost money to make 8-10 years ago.
Now i'd be surprised if they cost $.15 each to manufacture.
The money being lost is out of the record company execs pockets & Im sure they are all lining up at the unemployment office.
Yeah they scared Napster out of business, but see how long to took fo rsomething better to come along (mopheus, then kazaa)
Maybe next they will put chips in your radios & send you a bill for everytime you got to listen to a song.
How much money do you think an artist gets paid to preform live on tv once. Probably more money than I will ever make.
Oh yeah I have a job too just like everybody else.
I have a hard time feeling sorry for artists driving bentleys & wearing 200 grand worth of jewlery.
If cd,s cost what they should 4-5 bucks the industry would make a killing, but they have brought this on themselves by overcharging the public for so long something had to give.
FYI -- Things are not going to change, with the internet, and the general public steadily being more computer savvy by the day, nobody is going to able to stop file swapping.
Whatever they try, somebody will crack it & things will just keep getting better.
I don't want to flame Joex, but why are you so pissed about this.
How about Tivo?? if you program it to skip commercials, isn't that the same thing as pirating tv shows?
How about when you change the channel or go to the fridge during a commercial, wouldnt that be stealing 2.
When you really think about it its the same thing.
Advertisers are paying for the shows to be put on the air, so if you dont sit there and watch them all, arent you ripping off the advertisers, thereby pirating the tv shows.
How about taping a movie off of HBO?
Are you going to be pissed when the feds show up at your house to search your video tapes for copyrighted material?
Think about it.
OH yeah for all you criminals that use Kazaa
Do a search for (Kazaa lite ++)
It rocks, No ads No spyware and automatically boosts your participation level to 1000(Klitemaster)
When I get arrested I will post an apology to Joex
Im holding my breath.
:bandit:
MOUSE
09-11-2003, 07:38 AM
very well said ewalker302
:macho
I hope they throw all you theives in jail.....:eek:
400exstunta
09-11-2003, 08:46 AM
tivo support (http://customersupport.tivo.com/tivoknowbase/root/public/tv1524.htm)
Can I Skip over Commercials?
07-34-01 Search Reference Number
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TiVo Digital Video Recorders (DVRs) do not offer a commercial skip feature. The TiVo service gives you complete control over the television programming you choose to watch. Our fast-forward zips you through any programming, but still allows you to see it. This way, if something catches your interest, you can simply press PLAY to watch it. With TiVo, you watch exactly what you want to watch.
You cannot fast-forward if you are caught up to live TV.
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so you cant program it to automatically skip over commercials. guess that means you still see them huh.
once again before you argue, get your facts straight.
search for "why napster stopped" in google. you will find articles about the COURT case, they didnt scare them into stopping. The court ruled that they stop assisting users in downloading files. that is what killed their business.
Again, facts.
cnn (http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/09/09/music.swap.settlement/index.html)
says she was the first to settle out of the suits. so what do you mean look at everyone settling out of court. one person doesnt constitute everyone does it?
f-a-c-t-s
Originally posted by ewalker302
How about Tivo?? if you program it to skip commercials, isn't that the same thing as pirating tv shows?
How about when you change the channel or go to the fridge during a commercial, wouldnt that be stealing 2.
When you really think about it its the same thing.
Advertisers are paying for the shows to be put on the air, so if you dont sit there and watch them all, arent you ripping off the advertisers, thereby pirating the tv shows.
How about taping a movie off of HBO?
Are you going to be pissed when the feds show up at your house to search your video tapes for copyrighted material?
Think about it.
MOUSE
09-11-2003, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by Rico
I hope they throw all you theives in jail.....:eek:
i take it you wouldnt be willing to help with bail then :p
Got Huevos?
09-11-2003, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by freeride132
yeah im only 18 i just graduated so i live at home for now
if being a musician is so tough for them why dont they get a reg job for no where near as much pay and working 2 times as hard doing something they dont like as much, i cant bleive u guys that work 40 hr a week dont agree with me
i dont see being a musician a job because its something u want to do that you enjoy doing...that your not forced to do to survive, they should be happy to make any money
it would like paying me to ride for team honda or something id love every minute of it regardless of the pay, u think ud hear me ***** and complain..no! sure its work but when u consider you could be busting your *** for 8 bucks a hr in a factory if even that much pay you should be greatful for doing something you love in the first place, not greedy
you guys think im a dick but truth is if you can live comfortably doing something you enjoy doing and you ***** and whine about everything all the time, u dont deserve what you got and you should be punched in the face
your 18 and you dont have a job? not to mention you preten to be part of the Metal Melisha? i had my first job when i was 14 and not just a simple job i had a job that required actual labor yes even blood and sweat soreness the feeling of "GOD i wish i could die today and not have to get up tomorow to work" thats how i bought my first quad not all people can skip through life.if you think Music is easy then u must also think Motocross is pretty easy i mean come on they get to train on a motocycle when ever they want thats like getting payed for masterbating to Pee-wee Herman.you think its easy to come up with good music to put out and have people like? HELL no.you shouldn't be mad at the artist cuz they get money when they sign there contract but they often have to invest alot of that money into promotion also paying the people who produce the album.then they do get a small part of that money made off the actual sales which they have to give part of to any special guest who was on there album unless of course they offered to do it for free which doesn't happen often.if ur gonna be mad about anyone be mad at the RIAA and Record Executives who price CD's so much. a single blank CD cost 25 Cents to make then u gotta count the shipping which is cheap cuz they buy in bulk.then the actual pressing and production of the CD then the album art and booklet all together a CD should never be priced over 9 dollars cuz it cost 3 to 4 dollars to produce a fully finished CD the rest can be split ammoungst the Artis tn Record Labels. next time know about the sh*t u talk cuz u didn't know jack about what u were saying.im barely gonna be 16 and this coming from someone younger then u should proive how idiotic and stupid you are its pretty evident you never think before you speak. im happy to be living at home with my mom im also happy to be getting another job to pay some of the bills to help my mom since i had to quit my other one cuz we moved
TheX1992
09-11-2003, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by Got Huevos?
you think its easy to come up with good music to put out and have people like? HELL no.you shouldn't be mad at the artist cuz they get money when they sign there contract but they often have to invest alot of that money into promotion also paying the people who produce the album.then they do get a small part of that money made off the actual sales which they have to give part of to any special guest who was on there album unless of course they offered to do it for free which doesn't happen often.
i agree with ya 100%
i have feelings for both sides of this story. i just went to a concert here. i looked at their schedule....today...here...tomorrow...oklahoma.... the next day...new york....i cant imagine flying all over.. yes cd's only contribute to like 10% of their income...they get paid for playing concerts, tv shows..music videos...all that.. they still make alot of money. but you have to understand...very seldom do they have time alone.. their always on a plane or at a concert or a business meeting. tehy have to be escorted everywhere. they cant walk into mcdonalds without people running up to them asking for autographs... so i can see both sides here.
Originally posted by ewalker302
....I don't want to flame Joex, but why are you so pissed about this......
When I get arrested I will post an apology to Joex
Im holding my breath.
:bandit:
The thing that irritates me about this is the people that think they should get things without paying for or earning them, not just Kazaa, in life in general. Then they get pissed when the free ride goes away.
I agree the the price of most CD's is way over the top. There was a hoopla a few years ago about price gouging in the music industry but I think it got swept under the rug. I never heard any outcome.
So, how much money should a musician earn? Or any person for that matter.....Some people are just better off, have had a good break, maybe even have a marketable skill/talent that pays well. It sounds to me that many posters here are jealous of that.
I seriously doubt anyone will be arrested over this unless they just want to make a big deal out of it. I belive they are being asked to delete the files and be done with it.
No need to apologize to me.
Joe
Originally posted by Got Huevos?
your 18 and you dont have a job? not to mention you preten to be part of the Metal Melisha? i had my first job when i was 14 and not just a simple job i had a job that required actual labor yes even blood and sweat soreness the feeling of "GOD i wish i could die today and not have to get up tomorow to work" thats how i bought my first quad not all people can skip through life.if you think Music is easy then u must also think Motocross is pretty easy i mean come on they get to train on a motocycle when ever they want thats like getting payed for masterbating to Pee-wee Herman.you think its easy to come up with good music to put out and have people like? HELL no.you shouldn't be mad at the artist cuz they get money when they sign there contract but they often have to invest alot of that money into promotion also paying the people who produce the album.then they do get a small part of that money made off the actual sales which they have to give part of to any special guest who was on there album unless of course they offered to do it for free which doesn't happen often.if ur gonna be mad about anyone be mad at the RIAA and Record Executives who price CD's so much. a single blank CD cost 25 Cents to make then u gotta count the shipping which is cheap cuz they buy in bulk.then the actual pressing and production of the CD then the album art and booklet all together a CD should never be priced over 9 dollars cuz it cost 3 to 4 dollars to produce a fully finished CD the rest can be split ammoungst the Artis tn Record Labels. next time know about the sh*t u talk cuz u didn't know jack about what u were saying.im barely gonna be 16 and this coming from someone younger then u should proive how idiotic and stupid you are its pretty evident you never think before you speak. im happy to be living at home with my mom im also happy to be getting another job to pay some of the bills to help my mom since i had to quit my other one cuz we moved
lmfao, i work i just dont have an official 9-5 taking taxes out style job, i work nearly everyday , so you got your first job when ur 14, so that was like 2 months ago?:p
show me how i think im in the metal mulisha, i got 3 stickers on my quad and it says metal mulisha under my sn lol, if that was true anyone with a giants football jersey must play for them, come on buddy are you kidding me? i think there cool thats about it, truth is i dont ride fmx much at all anymore and i probaly wont even put there stickers on next year, def gives my quad a cool look though, but i enjoy racing mx alot more
by reading your post im pretty sure you never think before you type, you have countless spelling errors, you spelled metal mulisha wrong when you could glance up and read it under my name, all im getting from your post is.....well nothing actually, your angry because your mother obviously is a slave driver that neglects your education (seen in the spelling errors you made) for her own well being, if she hadnt got knocked up with you she could of furthered her own education and got a better job,and then allowed her son to make a well written post that the normal human being could read with out the use of a decoding device
i for one think alot about the posts i make, i still agree with my opinions, people are greedy and lazy, if they want me to pay 15 bucks for one song there crazy, they should be working with us to make everyone happy and make themselves money without ripping off the consumer and sending people to jail, if they could make a pay site where you make 1 yearly payment to download x amount of songs they would have tons of users and make more money than they are right now because people are getting music free and they just want people to buy cds, the sites i see to pay just arent like kazaa, they need to do soemthing to make everyone happy because there will always be another kazaa or napster, if i want to sample some song from a anonymous band i dont want to buy the cd i just wanna hear it, they just need to do something that works for everybody, i dont think the music should be free but i dont see putting people in jail for a system that obviously isnt working, they need to take this as a big hint and change things for the musicians, consumers and record companies
ive managed to work the last 2 years , go to high school and graduate with good grades, when you can do that then you can talk shat to me but your years behind where i am, ive managed to race and build my quad as well and im fortunate enough to have understanding parents , oh yeah its not like i can get away without paying rent, i got like 1 more month and i start paying its only fair to them,you dont know me and you can be mr tough 15 year old punk over the internet but thats about it face to face its a different story so remember that next time you make another of your well typed posts where you attempt to insult me, i know what its like to work hard and i know what its like to work doing something you dont like, musicians shouldnt be greedy they should be happy there fortunate enough and talented enough to do something they love but when it comes down to it i dont think they deserve as much pay as a farmer or any other true hard working job,alot of these bands are kids who have never had to work a hard 40 hr a week job and they whine they dont get enough money....i know that doesnt apply to all musicians but pleaaasee ...........i wish some of you would pay attention to what im saying instead of just flaming me because you dont agree
"u should proive how idiotic and stupid you are its pretty evident you never think before you speak."
hahahahahhahaadhahhahaha i love that part, pure genious went into that:p :p
ewalker302
09-12-2003, 12:52 AM
WARNING THIS IS A LONG POST
I JUST GOT A LOT TO SAY
SO BE WARNED
Originally posted by 400exstunta
tivo support (http://customersupport.tivo.com/tivoknowbase/root/public/tv1524.htm)
Can I Skip over Commercials?
07-34-01 Search Reference Number
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TiVo Digital Video Recorders (DVRs) do not offer a commercial skip feature. The TiVo service gives you complete control over the television programming you choose to watch. Our fast-forward zips you through any programming, but still allows you to see it. This way, if something catches your interest, you can simply press PLAY to watch it. With TiVo, you watch exactly what you want to watch.
You cannot fast-forward if you are caught up to live TV.
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so you cant program it to automatically skip over commercials. guess that means you still see them huh.
once again before you argue, get your facts straight.
search for "why kazaa stopped" in google. you will find articles about the COURT case, they didnt scare them into stopping. The court ruled that they stop assisting users in downloading files. that is what killed their business.
Again, facts.
cnn (http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/09/09/music.swap.settlement/index.html)
says she was the first to settle out of the suits. so what do you mean look at everyone settling out of court. one person doesnt constitute everyone does it?
f-a-c-t-s
Yeah you are right about the settling out of court.
It's just been my experience that when a huge company settles out of court for such a low sum & this is a very high profile case they usually try to set an example quickly to scare the other "perps" into following suit.
(that is unless they realise the whole country is against them & they have probably come to the conclusion that they could very well be shooting themselves in the foot, If they somehow do shut down file sharing, kids and teenagers are smarter than most people think, I would love to see a full on record industry boycott to teach these record company fatcats how it feels to have more money going out than the truckloads of cash they are so accustomed to.
OK now then to get to our "argument" as you put it , of course you can't fast forward live TV w/tivo, I'm almoast certain that people realize that tivos are not time machines:huh ??
My point was simply that if you dont watch or listen to all the commercials on whatever type of program, tv, sattelite, tivo (not live broadcasts) , radio, or whatever, are you not cheating the hard working ad execs, dj's , producers, cameramen, and the commercial actors, not to mention the poor factory workers slaving away to manufacture the product featured in the ads.
Are these peoples time and livleyhood less important than singers
I say no.
How much different is this than downloading files if you really think about it.
Both are commoditys that take money to produce, but people are still enjoying the product for free.
F-A-C-T Money=Money no matter who is making it & people are "pirating" media whether its a song you get for free, or a tv show you tape then FF through the commercials.
You can copy the tape & watch it as many times as you want--& even take it over to your friend's house to watch it, just like the songs on my hard drive it just holds more data, thats it.
Did you ever borrow a friends cassette tape, & make a copy?
Thats Exactly the same thing.
I really don't like to argue or flame but give me a break
Your quote from above states:
"once again before you argue, get your facts straight.
search for "why kazaa stopped" in google. you will find articles about the COURT case, they didnt scare them into stopping. The court ruled that they stop assisting users in downloading files. that is what killed their business.
Again, facts."
1. Whats up with that once again argung stuff?? Did I miss
an argument we had?? I'd be interested to see that thread to
see what facts I got wrong.
2. Do you think that by typing the word fact before everything
you say, makes it true???, I guess I will try it & see if it works
for me too
3. I don't know what (facts) you gort from google about kazaa
being "stopped", and their killed business, I can go on
Google right now & download every version of Kazaa ever
written.
But since you are convinced this is an argument.
Here are the real FACTS
Fact 1- I'm downloading 8 files from Kazaa right now at this very
moment.
Fact 2- There are just under 3 million users on the one of many
Kazaa servers that I am logged onto right now. Thats a 3
with six zeros behind it. Again thats on only on one
server of many Kazaa servers operating NOW.
Fact 3- Of these users they are sharing over 583 million files. All
just sitting there for the taking. BTW that comes out to
about 5 million gigs of oooh "pirate data".
Fact 4- There will always be file, data, music shared freely on the
web regrdless of what anyone threatens to do. There
are literally millions of people with huge librarys of music &
other files on their hard drives & If you actually think
someone can stop them from sharing these files, short of
a complete internet collapse I truly feel sorry for you.
And thats a F-A-C-T Jack
Hey all you criminals out there.
Search google & download Kazaa lite ++
It is by far the best version.
You can set it to retrieve unlimited search results as opposed to just 200 results w/ the reg version.
Your participation level will always be set at (1000)
And best of all there are no pop ups, ads, or spyware of any kind.
Try it, it rocks if you have been using the standard version.
Most of you probably know this already but you can also downlad killer programs like phtoshop & autocad right off Kazaa
And most importantly free porn movies
Free Music Forever------Down with the Man------Screw the RIAA
Peace out stunted400:confused:
OH yeah about all your facts.
You should try "THIS IS MY UNINFOMED OPINION" in the future.
Please dont take this as a personal bash.
I just speak my mind, & I dont' like to see my fellow exriders misinformed, when it comes to their RIGHT to share files with each other.
OK this is way way off subject, but its been on my mind latley, so bear with me for one more second.
Guys try not to bash the kids on the site so hard. I mean unless they are being smartasses, which I know they often are.
But I'm seeing more posts where real inexperenced kids are just trying to get some simple tips or may ask stupid questions.
It just seems that there are some users here that just wait for these posts to pop up so they can cut down & embarrass some kid. I know it sounds corny, but the kids out there riding, and raceing today will be the pros & ATV designers of the future, especially if they have the desire to find this site & look for help.
I would just like for people to think before they make a smart *** reply to obvious or seemingly silly questions.
Im far from a kid myself, but why all of the bashing on this site directed at kids who dont have jobs,are in school & get new quads & such given to them by their folks?
There's no reason to be jealous.
Thats what being a kid is supposed to be like.
I just hope when I have kids I will be able to give them anything they want, (well if they want quads & dirtbikes anyway).
I just remember that some of my best memorys as a kid was riding trails w/ my dad.
Yeah he bought me a new ATC250SX brand new off the showroom floor & it wasnt like he just had the money to burn. I had to make straight A's for a year but man was it worth it. I still got it runnin good
All you older guys on here have to know that nothing is gonna be accomlished by making smack posts for 5 pages straight with high school kids.
I'm dont mean anyone in particular.
But some guys on here seem to have Jealosy problems.
Im very very Sorry for the long off topic part, just felt like this needed to be brought up.
Thanks
:bandit:
ewalker302
09-12-2003, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by MOUSE
very well said ewalker302
:macho
Thanks for the props Mouse,
I appreciate it
:D
ewalker302
09-12-2003, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by Got Huevos?
.if you think Music is easy then u must also think Motocross is pretty easy i mean come on they get to train on a motocycle when ever they want thats like getting payed for masterbating to Pee-wee Herman.
This is my third post in a row & I apologize but check this quote.
I'm not tryng to clog this thread on purose. I promise.
I've just never read the words "getting paid for masturbating to pee-wee herman" before.
Could someone tell me what this is supposed to mean??
Maybe I missed something, but , I read the post like 3 times trying to find the humor or meaning of some sort.
My only Guess is that Got Huevos is totally insane, stone drunk, or has some kind of pee-wee whack off fetish.
Maybe I dont understand the context,
But it sounds like he thinks Masturbating to pee wee is as good an activity as training on a motorcycle??
The full post is earlier in this thread.
check it out I hope someone can come to another conclusion b/c the thought of relieving mysef in this manner is disturbing to me to say the least.
I wonder if he uses pee wee playhose videos, or photos???
shudder & chills
Got Huevos?
09-12-2003, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by ewalker302
This is my third post in a row & I apologize but check this quote.
I'm not tryng to clog this thread on purose. I promise.
I've just never read the words "getting paid for masturbating to pee-wee herman" before.
Could someone tell me what this is supposed to mean??
Maybe I missed something, but , I read the post like 3 times trying to find the humor or meaning of some sort.
My only Guess is that Got Huevos is totally insane, stone drunk, or has some kind of pee-wee whack off fetish.
Maybe I dont understand the context,
But it sounds like he thinks Masturbating to pee wee is as good an activity as training on a motorcycle??
The full post is earlier in this thread.
check it out I hope someone can come to another conclusion b/c the thought of relieving mysef in this manner is disturbing to me to say the least.
I wonder if he uses pee wee playhose videos, or photos???
shudder & chills
Pee Wee herman was arrested for masterbating in public bathroom.
ewalker302
09-12-2003, 05:06 AM
Yeah I know, thats comon knowledge, my problem is in the wording, i guess istill dont see what the point is.
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Got Huevos?
.if you think Music is easy then u must also think Motocross is pretty easy i mean come on, they get to train on a motocycle when ever they want thats like getting payed for masterbating to Pee-wee Herman.
The key work here is TO as in whacking TO Pee-wee herman
Pee-wee was caught doin it in a porno theater to a porn movie.
Your post refers to masterbating to Pee-Wee Herman.
This is worded like pee wee is the stimulation leading to masturbation.
It clearly says getting paid for masturbating TO pee wee herman, not masturbating like pee wee herman.
It's worded so that it means training on the motorcycle is comparable to masturbating while fantasizing about pee-wee Herman to get off.
Thats what distubed me
400exstunta
09-12-2003, 06:55 AM
wow you managed to say the exact thing two times in a row. good job. and when i said kazaa i meant napster, thanks for pointing that out. i still think you are un-educated. you made no other points in that rant what so ever.
thats just my opinion... :)
o and you spelled uninformed wrong.
have a nice day!
Originally posted by ewalker302
WARNING THIS IS A LONG POST
I JUST GOT A LOT TO SAY
SO BE WARNED
Yeah you are right about the settling out of court.
It's just been my experience that when a huge company settles out of court for such a low sum & this is a very high profile case they usually try to set an example quickly to scare the other "perps" into following suit.
(that is unless they realise the whole country is against them & they have probably come to the conclusion that they could very well be shooting themselves in the foot, If they somehow do shut down file sharing, kids and teenagers are smarter than most people think, I would love to see a full on record industry boycott to teach these record company fatcats how it feels to have more money going out than the truckloads of cash they are so accustomed to.
OK now then to get to our "argument" as you put it , of course you can't fast forward live TV w/tivo, I'm almoast certain that people realize that tivos are not time machines:huh ??
My point was simply that if you dont watch or listen to all the commercials on whatever type of program, tv, sattelite, tivo (not live broadcasts) , radio, or whatever, are you not cheating the hard working ad execs, dj's , producers, cameramen, and the commercial actors, not to mention the poor factory workers slaving away to manufacture the product featured in the ads.
Are these peoples time and livleyhood less important than singers
I say no.
How much different is this than downloading files if you really think about it.
Both are commoditys that take money to produce, but people are still enjoying the product for free.
F-A-C-T Money=Money no matter who is making it & people are "pirating" media whether its a song you get for free, or a tv show you tape then FF through the commercials.
You can copy the tape & watch it as many times as you want--& even take it over to your friend's house to watch it, just like the songs on my hard drive it just holds more data, thats it.
Did you ever borrow a friends cassette tape, & make a copy?
Thats Exactly the same thing.
I really don't like to argue or flame but give me a break
Your quote from above states:
"once again before you argue, get your facts straight.
search for "why kazaa stopped" in google. you will find articles about the COURT case, they didnt scare them into stopping. The court ruled that they stop assisting users in downloading files. that is what killed their business.
Again, facts."
1. Whats up with that once again argung stuff?? Did I miss
an argument we had?? I'd be interested to see that thread to
see what facts I got wrong.
2. Do you think that by typing the word fact before everything
you say, makes it true???, I guess I will try it & see if it works
for me too
3. I don't know what (facts) you gort from google about kazaa
being "stopped", and their killed business, I can go on
Google right now & download every version of Kazaa ever
written.
But since you are convinced this is an argument.
Here are the real FACTS
Fact 1- I'm downloading 8 files from Kazaa right now at this very
moment.
Fact 2- There are just under 3 million users on the one of many
Kazaa servers that I am logged onto right now. Thats a 3
with six zeros behind it. Again thats on only on one
server of many Kazaa servers operating NOW.
Fact 3- Of these users they are sharing over 583 million files. All
just sitting there for the taking. BTW that comes out to
about 5 million gigs of oooh "pirate data".
Fact 4- There will always be file, data, music shared freely on the
web regrdless of what anyone threatens to do. There
are literally millions of people with huge librarys of music &
other files on their hard drives & If you actually think
someone can stop them from sharing these files, short of
a complete internet collapse I truly feel sorry for you.
And thats a F-A-C-T Jack
Hey all you criminals out there.
Search google & download Kazaa lite ++
It is by far the best version.
You can set it to retrieve unlimited search results as opposed to just 200 results w/ the reg version.
Your participation level will always be set at (1000)
And best of all there are no pop ups, ads, or spyware of any kind.
Try it, it rocks if you have been using the standard version.
Most of you probably know this already but you can also downlad killer programs like phtoshop & autocad right off Kazaa
And most importantly free porn movies
Free Music Forever------Down with the Man------Screw the RIAA
Peace out stunted400:confused:
OH yeah about all your facts.
You should try "THIS IS MY UNINFOMED OPINION" in the future.
Please dont take this as a personal bash.
I just speak my mind, & I dont' like to see my fellow exriders misinformed, when it comes to their RIGHT to share files with each other.
OK this is way way off subject, but its been on my mind latley, so bear with me for one more second.
Guys try not to bash the kids on the site so hard. I mean unless they are being smartasses, which I know they often are.
But I'm seeing more posts where real inexperenced kids are just trying to get some simple tips or may ask stupid questions.
It just seems that there are some users here that just wait for these posts to pop up so they can cut down & embarrass some kid. I know it sounds corny, but the kids out there riding, and raceing today will be the pros & ATV designers of the future, especially if they have the desire to find this site & look for help.
I would just like for people to think before they make a smart *** reply to obvious or seemingly silly questions.
Im far from a kid myself, but why all of the bashing on this site directed at kids who dont have jobs,are in school & get new quads & such given to them by their folks?
There's no reason to be jealous.
Thats what being a kid is supposed to be like.
I just hope when I have kids I will be able to give them anything they want, (well if they want quads & dirtbikes anyway).
I just remember that some of my best memorys as a kid was riding trails w/ my dad.
Yeah he bought me a new ATC250SX brand new off the showroom floor & it wasnt like he just had the money to burn. I had to make straight A's for a year but man was it worth it. I still got it runnin good
All you older guys on here have to know that nothing is gonna be accomlished by making smack posts for 5 pages straight with high school kids.
I'm dont mean anyone in particular.
But some guys on here seem to have Jealosy problems.
Im very very Sorry for the long off topic part, just felt like this needed to be brought up.
Thanks
:bandit:
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