YZF is King now

[Dune Surfer]

I have to admit after just returning from Pismo that the Yammy is the King of the dunes at this time. They just plain haul arse, I raced some while I was there and got beat every time. Not just me but every rapter, cannondale, shee ( except full on drag shee's) Predator, and honda 250r's 440's 426's and 416. Can't wait to see the new honda!. Yamaha has raised the stakes. My only problem with the YZF is that it is so small, to small for bigger guys. But if you weigh under 200 lbs and are not over six feet tall, sell what you have and buy one or wait for the honda.

[CHAUNCY]

I personally like the YFZ. It is a pretty sweet bike especially how they come stock. With nice shocks and I like how they are smaller and you feel "on top of them". There is something about a banshee I like though, like when you hit that powerband, it just takes off. I guess I kinda like 2 strokes:ermm: :macho

[trailburner]

I went riding last weekend with my buds & one of my friends had his YZF [first time out, bone stock] & he raced my brother's raptor[piped & jetted] on black top & beat it pretty good.........yes I'm inpressed!!!! they rip.

[dannyboy20]

Ohh just wait until September. They will have there competition.

[CBW]

Originally posted by Dune Surfer
My only problem with the YZF is that it is so small, to small for bigger guys. But if you weigh under 200 lbs and are not over six feet tall, sell what you have and buy one or wait for the honda.


well i am 6'2" and weigh 225.......and it doesnt feel too small to me,,,i have pro tapers on it ,,,,,,and ,,,,it sits, and feels almost like my 310R actually...which also has pro tapers on it....


it all comes down to personal preference i know......but i really like it..........and im heading to the dunes on thursday night---------- till monday afternoon.........gonna be great:devil:

[own2424]

Wow, I didnt figure theyd be that impressive at the dunes! Well, gotta hand it to Yamaha then. I still like my Shee and wont buy anything else...besides a 310r or 330r...;)

[twisted threads]

Man that YFZ sounds like its a cool bike. I seen a few of them down at the dunes a few weeks ago but know one would drag race there Yami. I belive that there fast but I just don't see it beeing close to the R. Well next weekend I will get my shot at one or many who knows but I will take my hat off to Yammy they made a nice quad.:cool:

[CBW]

Originally posted by twisted threads
Man that YFZ sounds like its a cool bike. I seen a few of them down at the dunes a few weeks ago but know one would drag race there Yami. I belive that there fast but I just don't see it beeing close to the R. Well next weekend I will get my shot at one or many who knows but I will take my hat off to Yammy they made a nice quad.:cool:

Fast as an R??? stock R maybe,,,,but i dont think the yfz will keep up with any big bore two stroke in the top end....


thats why i have both:devil: :cool:

[Str8Wicked]

Not only are they small so you can man handle them but they are very easy to make a full race quad.... Add a pipe, rejet, and open the air box and I think they have the most HP gains than any other quad right now with those mods... Also since Yami detuned the motor it's very easy to get some sicc power out of it.. Do the cam mod and put the higher compression piston in and hang on.....

[CBW]

Originally posted by Str8Wicked
Not only are they small so you can man handle them but they are very easy to make a full race quad.... Add a pipe, rejet, and open the air box and I think they have the most HP gains than any other quad right now with those mods... Also since Yami detuned the motor it's very easy to get some sicc power out of it.. Do the cam mod and put the higher compression piston in and hang on.....

Got my HMF pipe in today:D Just have to finish up some "real work" thn work on the quad and get it ready for labor day:D :D :D :D :D

[kgbg]

Your right Dune Surfer,
I was at Little Saraha (Utah),Sand Mountain, if you have been there or seen pix, you know thats a big hill. Well a stock piped (air box and cam mod) YFZ was putting the hurt on everything there. Including a 310R, Banshee's, and Big Raptors. It finally lost to a full drag Banshee, but it was still close.
Damn Yamaha's!
They are sweet!

[AlaskaSpeed]

I only have about 2 hours on mine, but really like it. It honestly doesn't feel small at all once you are riding it...feels much like an R..........JIM

[CBW]

well my pipe is on,,jetted,,,,,and running blue LL100 fuel.............i havent done the cam mod...........but with just a pipe,,,,,,,,this thing rips.......:macho


gonna have fun this weekend in the sand........:devil:


anybody know a wat to skip to thursday about 3:00pm:confused2 :cool: :D

why is every1 saying it wrong, last time i checked, it was called a yfz 450, not a yzf 450

[Narly R]

Mybe there fast but I bet a lot of pud wakers got them and will never leave the ground!:rolleyes: ( no offence CBW and other yzf owners) but i dunn0o if they can beat a 350r well find out!:D Muhahahahaha

[trx440]

Couple of questions:

1. 60hp Dune Banshees are a dime a dozen. How is the YFZ 450 "beating all modded Banshees except full drag Banshees" Are the only fast Banshees in SoCal?? I jsust don't see it.

2. I recently read an article in MXA about Mitch Payton's CRF480 MX bike. With internal mods, exhaust, yada yada yada the bike put out less than 53 hp. If Pro Circuit can't get any more ponies out of a 450 then what makes you think ATV builders will??

I think Curtis Sparks builds the best engines in the ATV market but I don't see his engines being run by any of the big time MX [cycle] racers?

[K2Snow]

I can vouch for Dune Surfer on this one, I've seen the Yammi's out at the dunes quite a few times and they are pretty damn hard to beat.

[Jennys440'Dale]

This is funny. YZF king now??? I beg to differ in my experience. I saw personally, this past weekend up at Silver Lake sand dunes in Michigan, my fiance spanking the YZF MANY times. Not just once. These quads were stock for stock. Both had dune tires that were EXACTLY the same. Cannondale beat it everytime.

So, now I bet you were gonna say it was the rider, huh??

Not flaming here, just jumping in with my two cents :D

[CBW]

Dont take it wrong i love to drag out in the sand,,,,i plan on doing it alot this weekend,,,,,,,,,,,,,FOR FUN......its not that serious with me,,,,,,,,there will ALWAYS be somebody faster..........for a stock bike the YFZ is darn good........with a pipe and some B37 118 Octane mixed half and half with LL100 Aircraft fuel,,,,,,,,it runs real strong:macho

Besides if i do get beat i will bring out the 310R:devil: :blah:

[Narly R]

YZF is not king.....:rolleyes:

I know I said this more than once but I still believe its without a doubt Yamaha's best overall quad effort to date.

Thought I have yet to get any real seat time riding one (I am going to have to spend some real time on one soon as the wait is killing me) its a very well thought out machine with some bonafide power. No its not perfect out of the box and like any other machine I would be putting more than one aftermarket part on it (skids to suspension etc).

Now what I know it isnt is a DOHC liquid cooled fuel injected reverse flow engine mated to a light weight aluminum frame that was the cannondale (and we didnt hear this type of talk about them, but they didnt have as much "hype" as yami to trrap you all) and maybe will be Honda.

Does anyone get it????????????????????????

[Bean]

i can not bring myself to believe the YZF beating banshees in the dune, i CAN see it out accelerating it, but not in a long enough race, wheelspin is a major factor, and i hear that the YZF tops out around 72ish, thats what i heard anyway, and to tell you the truth, thats stock shee stomping ground, now throw a set of pipes on...

[Dune Surfer]

Riding dunes is not all about top end speed but grunting up the dunes. The low end on the 4 stroke works well.

[K2Snow]

Originally posted by Dune Surfer
Riding dunes is not all about top end speed but grunting up the dunes. The low end on the 4 stroke works well.

Amen.

[trx440]

I second that Amen. My CT440 had no problem keeping up with any quad while duning. In fact I would wait for most of the people I rode with regardless of what they were riding. 3rd and 4th gear all day long.

Dune Surfer, you wanna set up an EXRiders dune day in October? I'm sure we could fill a wash. -RT

[Dune Surfer]

Originally posted by trx440
I second that Amen. My CT440 had no problem keeping up with any quad while duning. In fact I would wait for most of the people I rode with regardless of what they were riding. 3rd and 4th gear all day long.

Dune Surfer, you wanna set up an EXRiders dune day in October? I'm sure we could fill a wash. -RT

I'm planning on going the first two weekends for sure. Your more than welcome to come. I have had some great riding this summer with ex riders members.:D Hope you like to ride fast;)

[Narly R]

The shee might be king of the sand, but there bottom on the list on the track!:ermm:

[twisted threads]

Originally posted by Jennys400ex
This is funny. YZF king now??? I beg to differ in my experience. I saw personally, this past weekend up at Silver Lake sand dunes in Michigan, my fiance spanking the YZF MANY times. Not just once. These quads were stock for stock. Both had dune tires that were EXACTLY the same. Cannondale beat it everytime.

So, now I bet you were gonna say it was the rider, huh??

Not flaming here, just jumping in with my two cents :D

I got to agree! The new Yami king of the dunes?? NO WAY! I seen my little brother on my 440ex beat them all weekend long piped ones were close sometimes they would win sometimes he would but stock ones were not even a close drag. My buddy on his C-dale had some good races with the new yami's but he was still a few bikes back of the 440. The new Yami's are fast but no KING OF THE SAND. But Im sure the riders of all the new yami's this weekend were newbies.... and the new Yami VS. the R :rolleyes: they better get a turbo on it. lol :D :cool:

[R-Crazy]

i have to say i am very impressed with the bike that yamaha has put out. i m eager to see what honda releases, and if it will eb better and by how much. but i do not see these bikes putting much more horsepower over 40-45. i really wanna race my R against one, and i dont have plans on winning, but not on loosing either. we will see, anyone in northern NJ wanna let me give thiers a test ride, you can ride my R!?!? haha, just let me get my clutch in first (better get here soon).

dave

[ledofthezep]

I haven't gotten to race one, or even see one run in person. But I seriously doubt I'll be getting beat by one on the sand...just don't see it happen'n...but who knows.:rolleyes: I like them, and am anxious to see what Honda's got up their sleeves... I got to give it to yamaha though....IMHO this is their best sport atv since they introduced the banshee, and the banshee is still a great atv. Too bad Honda didn't keep their 250R in production like yamaha has w/the banshee.:ermm: The 400's are great too, can't go wrong with an EX, but in the near future I may have to go with the new crf over the EX.:confused:

[WyoDuner]

Ledofthezep - don't be surprised if you do get beat. I have yet to see a bolt-on modded quad beat a YFZ450 in the dunes. Now, with the airbox lid off and baffle removed the 450 makes a lot more power than "stock" so maybe what people are seeing the truly stock ones getting beat. With the airbox lid off and baffle out they are very hard to beat.

It would take a ported Banshee to beat a YFZ450. I don't have a 450 but I do have a Banshee and it has gotten beat by 3 different 450s I raced - mostly it got beat pretty bad.

[Dextreme]

I got to race a couple of stock yfz vs. piped shee at comp hill at Florence last weekend. They stayed right with me (about a bike length behind) and if I messed up at all, they would take me.

I got to ride one and it is defintly the best 4 stroke I have ridden, but the "pipe hit" of the banshee is why I still choose the banshee over it.

[rhandw69]

This past weekend I had the opportunity to race 2 of the new YFZs. Out of the hole I was able to consistently lead in front of it, however usually and in fact all the time at the last few 15 yards she would usually be either tied up or motoring by. I realize we all like our bikes and well stick up for them to the dying end, but bike for bike, pound for pound,,,,that bike is head and shoulders better than the ex. Now when someone says this bike and that bike is king of the dunes,,im really curious what they mean. I mean, i can show you some full blow drag banshees running alchohol, or tripple cylinders full drag frames and all that all they can do is run straight ahead and blow the doors off most bikes. Then again i can show you some fast raptors that that can beat alot of these banshees as well. Then there are alot of bikes that are built for play and tree shooting. My point is, king of the dunes is a phrase that really is impossible to measure up. Because that same banshee that is set up for drag would be no good down in the idiot holes that i tend to ride in. Lets not also not forget,,,,,many and most all the time the rider is the one who makes the difference.

[twisted threads]

Well put rhandw69!:cool: Im not takeing nothing away from the YFZ450 at all. I think for a stock bike with just pipes IT HALLS! I mean look what it take for a EX to just be next to it. MY Ex has alot of work done to it and I think if BoxCar hill at Coos Bay was any longer the YFZ would probley start motoring away. When I said that the YFZ wasnt the KING of the Sand I had my (soon to be) 350PV R in mind.:D :cool: And if Honda's new quad isn't what I like then there WILL be a blue bike in my shop. <but I hardly dought that the new Honda will be that bad!
:D

[ledofthezep]

I hear ya Wyo....but my shee is a little more than 'bolt on modded'... I'll let ya know if I get beat..:D

[CBW]

Originally posted by Dune Surfer
An honest man:D
I started this thread because I rode with some at the dunes, They were not stock, just bolt on mods and let me tell you, with just a pipe and filter . mod for mod They kick ***. Sure you can dump a fistfull if $$$ into a shee or run a 440 on alky and beat one.
There is nobody here with just a pipe that can touch them on a honda, stock shee, or a Predator. They are light, snappy and jump well. Overall one of if not the best overall package out there at this time.


EXACTLY:macho

I have 16K into my 88 310R......and what did i ride all the time at the dunes......my YFZ........

Just a pipe and some paddles........and it was GREAT.......i cant wait to go back!!!!

[Chef]

Originally posted by WyoDuner
It would take a ported Banshee to beat a YFZ450. I don't have a 450 but I do have a Banshee and it has gotten beat by 3 different 450s I raced - mostly it got beat pretty bad.


I dont agree with this. My Banshee has never even had the cylinders unbolted, and I was eating the YFZs alive all day at Florence. Piped or not...yes, they are fast for stock. They also weigh a ton more than 350...a TON more. Even with a lighter rider I was still beating him. And I know hes good at riding it, I race with him every weekend.

[Dune Surfer]

Originally posted by WyoDuner
Ledofthezep - don't be surprised if you do get beat. I have yet to see a bolt-on modded quad beat a YFZ450 in the dunes. Now, with the airbox lid off and baffle removed the 450 makes a lot more power than "stock" so maybe what people are seeing the truly stock ones getting beat. With the airbox lid off and baffle out they are very hard to beat.

It would take a ported Banshee to beat a YFZ450. I don't have a 450 but I do have a Banshee and it has gotten beat by 3 different 450s I raced - mostly it got beat pretty bad.

An honest man:D
I started this thread because I rode with some at the dunes, They were not stock, just bolt on mods and let me tell you, with just a pipe and filter . mod for mod They kick ***. Sure you can dump a fistfull if $$$ into a shee or run a 440 on alky and beat one.
There is nobody here with just a pipe that can touch them on a honda, stock shee, or a Predator. They are light, snappy and jump well. Overall one of if not the best overall package out there at this time.

[Out_Sider]

well uh....the dayum YFZ450 would Smoke my 300!!! :blah:
I dont understand how a Z440 cant touch the YFZ450, but yet u say that ur 440ex smoked one?? i dont understand??

[Dune Surfer]

Originally posted by Out_Sider
well uh....the dayum YFZ450 would Smoke my 300!!! :blah:
I dont understand how a Z440 cant touch the YFZ450, but yet u say that ur 440ex smoked one?? i dont understand??

:D lmao:D

[twisted threads]

Originally posted by Out_Sider
well uh....the dayum YFZ450 would Smoke my 300!!! :blah:
I dont understand how a Z440 cant touch the YFZ450, but yet u say that ur 440ex smoked one?? i dont understand??

Well you must be talking to me?? I said my 440 will beat a stock one and the YFZ with pipes is a very close race between the two the YFZ is probley faster but the rider wasn't better racer than my little brother. And another thing you don't understand how a 440ex is faster than a 440z? Well my 440ex probley has more work done to it than the 440z your talking about and I sure mine has a LOT MORE BOTTOM end power.:cool:
and if you are not talking to me O WELL.:D

and if you are not talking to me O WELL.

Best thing I read in this whole thread. :D

[rhandw69]

Its all in the rider!!!

Heres an example,
I have a 416 built for the dunes, i built it for top end, high revs and great wheel spin. I am an average rider, i am in no ways a pro or a great rider. Im what you call a recreational rider. But good at it. My bike is pretty fast at a dune drag. However I have a friend who has a stock 400 piped with a few goodies, that really runs tough against me. Sometimes he beats me others he doesnt others hes tied. Of course he weighs about 165 where i weigh about 200.
My point is, just because one bike beats another, especially when we really know that speed for speed, the FFZ is faster, in alot of points, its merely the skill of those riding.
Thats why you have some pros racing either the Z400, the 426, the CRF, the 400ex, or whatever. there clearly isnt one dominating bike. If that was the case, you would never hear about these pros winning on the Z400, or Doug Eichner winning on either his 440, banshee or 20R.

[daddogrider]

Hi! nice forum I like your videos!
by now everyone has met the 450 and I am glad the honda is coming out with an equal, but if any of you havent seen what the 450 can do here is a bunch of videos that you can click on to se how it does.
350 r we have not raced yet but would like to.

www.eskimo.com/~daddog/videos/

just right click on any of those and download them to your computer then you can watch it.

the most amazing one is the ... well they are all pretty good.


thanks for letting me browse the forum. my brother has a 400 ex and he goes with the dogriders to glamis each year we dont mind hondas at all
in fact if the new honda beats our dogriders we will buy a few.
(I'll get to ride the YFZ450 then prolly.

See ya!

[daddogrider]

Originally posted by Chef
I dont agree with this. My Banshee has never even had the cylinders unbolted, and I was eating the YFZs alive all day at Florence. Piped or not...yes, they are fast for stock. They also weigh a ton more than 350...a TON more. Even with a lighter rider I was still beating him. And I know hes good at riding it, I race with him every weekend.


You probably raced slome stock YFZ450's they are fast but not excitingly fast. Let me show you exciting fast.

for example, the stock YFZ450 runs this fast:
www.eskimo.com/~daddog/videos/modunmo.wmv
the stock one is in the back.

the one with pipe and cam mod (turned the cam one notch, no engine work) is the one in front.

Did you beat the stock 450's you raced by this much distance?
If not , then you wont beat the white one with the cam mod probably.

P.S. this was when we did the mod a long time ago since then we have jetted it right and it is a little bit faster now even.

[twisted threads]

Welcome to EXriders daddogrider!! Its always nice to see another sand slinger join the forums.:D :cool:

[daddogrider]

Thank you, I hope I can be of service for any that have questions on the 450, and I hope I can learn many new and interesting stories from experienced sand riders, we are new at this.

Is anyone going to be in Winchester Bay or Hauser or Florence the last weekend in September? We are going to try and do some sanding around that area. C'mon down and lets make a pile of people.

[twisted threads]

I wish I could make it down and play in the sand with you guys but my R is going through a HEART transplant:D (esr350pv). Your video on the stock YFZ vs the modded out YFZ was VERY impressive!! The modded one was fast, really fast! IF I didn't have so much RED running in my veins I would maybe think about getting one.:D By the way were are you from?

[daddogrider]

Hi.

We live near Oregon /Washington border. We ride sand 100 percent and have been riding for five years, (me for 2 years) we went through etons blasters, banshees z400's and are just selling our z400's to get the yamies.

www.eskimo.com/~daddog/videos/zyzcr450.wmv

shows one of our fully tricked z400's running against our new yammies. Now you see why we are selling them We are not brand loyal, we just like fast quads for Dune riding and bowling. We had a 421 powervalved banshee and it was pretty good for around 80 hp, but when you bowl run WOT for long periods we hear 2 strokes tend to freeze up on up and blow motors so we had to go to fourstrokes. So with the Banshee we could only make one trip around the big bowls which really blew.

We are waiting Hondas 450 and hope it is faster than the Yamie, so we can move up. If not, we'll just be competition for them. either way we should have a blast.

We ride sand a lot and our favorite thing is bowl running and bowl games.

www.eskimo.com/~daddog/videos/bowlrun.wmv
www.eskimo.com/~daddog/videos/bowlrun2.wmv
www.eskimo.com/~daddog/videos/bowlgames.wmv

and hill shooting

www.eskimo.com/~daddog/videos/zill500b.wmv
www.eskimo.com/~daddog/videos/choktrip.wmv
www.eskimo.com/~daddog/videos/predatorvsyfz.wmv

and sand dragging

www.eskimo.com/~daddog/videos/windrag.wmv
www.eskimo.com/~daddog/videos/windrag1.wmv
www.eskimo.com/~daddog/videos/timedrag.wmv

and that's about it! We love sand and sand loves us!

so I hope you come to OREGON or GLAMIS or ST. Anthonies we make it there usually every month.

[Bad Habit]

Well, I just got back from a week long trip to the dunes in OK. I couldn't even begin to tell you how many YFZs were there.
Here's my report;
Me vs Stock YFZ = me by half a bike
Me vs Pipe/no lid YFZ = YFZ by 2-3 bikes
Me vs Ron Woods heavily modded YFZ = holy *****.

I got to take one for a spin that had the baffle and lid removed. I was very impressed (and I'm a die hard red rider). I thought they had a 2stroke like feel to them, revved extremely fast between gears.

King of the dunes?? I dunno. 4 stroke King maybe, very impressive, my hats off to Yammi. Now let's see if they'll hold up.;)

[own2424]

Yea, that vid of the YFZ450s is really impressive. It just has a ton of low end power, amazing! Just cant beleive it spanks a shee!

[daddogrider]

You don't need to send your YFZ to a builder, unless you have an aversion to tools. The motor already has titanium valves and high tech pistons, all you need to do is the cam mod which can be done in your garage in 30 minutes, that is what all the other builders do.
just rotate the exhaust cam 1 notch clockwise and thats it.
very easy mod to do.

here is the difference between a stock bike and the cam modded bike

www.eskimo.com/~daddog/videos/modunmo.wmv

and all we did was rotate the cam and buy the carbon fiber yamaha pipe.

That is why we like this quad so much, you dont have to be a sponsored racer and put 16,000 dollars into it, you can get a wrench out and run with the big boys!

It is awsome. For the poor racer, this quad is the ticket.

Of course Honda is coming out with a similar one, and they are usually pretty wise, if they are smart at all they will not detune the new honda, then for sure they will sell a ton of them.

There is going to be some good racing soon.


We dont race though but we ride sand, and this is a very very fun sand quad.

www.eskimo.com/~daddog/videos/sandcruising.wmv