Will the 400EX ever be what the 250R is? [Archive]

nacs400ex

08-24-2003, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by TRX330EX
i dont even think the two were designed for the same purpose. in fact z400s,400exs,raptors and all of them dont belong on an mx track. they are trail quads

And your 300ex does? Whenever I am on the track I seem able to beat 300ex's easily. I dont know what you mean they shouldnt be on the track, a 400ex can hold its own on the track against an R. 400ex are easier to ride then an R because they are 4-stroke. I think you need to give your head a shake, because at the tracks most people have 400ex's.

I am getting an R over a 400ex, because motorwork is cheaper. I am also getting it for a real good deal, and I have always wanted an R.

Diedrich

08-24-2003, 08:58 AM

an R will always be the best track quad..but i dont think the 400ex is dying

Bretmd94

08-24-2003, 08:59 AM

No...

but the new 450's might be like the R in the future.

Say both yamy and honda only make the 450s for like 4 years and then stop for whatever reason. Then they will definatly be like the R.

08-24-2003, 10:22 AM

It'll never be the R just for the fact that the R had what 13 years of being at the top. my mildly tuned 416ex will beat a stock 250R with no problem so I don't think the 250R like hung the moon or anything.. I'm not sayin there junk or that i wouldn't own one.. But the days of the 250R are HISTORY... adios...see ya...don't let the door hit ya in the arse on the way out. As Cody Anderson once said...." 2 strokes are obsolete unless your Jeremiah Jones...:D Jeremiah even complained about his last race that he couldn't here his motor because of all the thumpers roarin around him....:devil: I salute you 250R but your time has come and gone....Long live ground shakers...:blah:

The 250R is not that much above a 400ex that's for damn sure. I know i've beat plenty of them in MX and XC races..:scary:

nacs400ex

08-24-2003, 11:04 AM

I am getting an R and getting long travel for it and everything, so when the R finally does die out. I can just get an aftermarket frame that will accept a big thumper and all 250R parts, instead of an aftermarket frame for the R. Then slap the motor in and just keep smiling. I think the plan is pretty good.

But I dont care what anyone says a 250r will smoke a lot of the competition. Sure when you get to the VERY expensive PRO quads, it doesnt have the power like the CUSTOM CRF, YZF, KTM thumpers do.

The way I see it is, If you put the same amount of money into an R motor and the same in a 400ex, the R will beat the 400ex. 2-smokes are cheaper to mod.

Hondas trx450r wont be as good as the crf's people have built. I gaurantee it will be a detuned motor just like the yfz. I have a pretty good guess that it will be exactly the same as the yfz, except one thing to put it over the edge. The name of it... HONDA

TRX330EX

08-24-2003, 11:36 AM

i dont have a 300ex. i might build one up this winter who knows. the 400ex,z,raptor and others WERE NOT MENT FOR TRACK USE. sure they've been raced and are still being raced. wanna know why smart guy? WHAT ELSE WAS THERE? NOTHING!!!! now that the yfz450 and soon to be released trx450r are around,i guaruntee u will never see a 400ex being raced by pros EVER AGAIN. now that the two 450s are around i can now safely say there are only TWO currently produced quads that belong on the track, and dont tell me different!

08-24-2003, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by TRX330EX
i dont have a 300ex. i might build one up this winter who knows. the 400ex,z,raptor and others WERE NOT MENT FOR TRACK USE. sure they've been raced and are still being raced. wanna know why smart guy? WHAT ELSE WAS THERE? NOTHING!!!! now that the yfz450 and soon to be released trx450r are around,i guaruntee u will never see a 400ex being raced by pros EVER AGAIN. now that the two 450s are around i can now safely say there are only TWO currently produced quads that belong on the track, and dont tell me different! lets hope pros wont ride anything cept those 2.....jesus they get everything for free..and if not free then they pay 1/4 the price we pay....most of us cant afford to have the new technology..i guarantee you will still see 400ex's and 250r's at the tracks..BEATING the new 450's....simply becasuer they are a beter rider and ride there machine to tis full potential

toby400ex

08-24-2003, 12:31 PM

WAY too many 400ex's were made for it too be like the 250r

TRX330EX

08-24-2003, 01:14 PM

of course common ppl will race 400exs and z400s,but only because of the money

nacs400ex

08-24-2003, 01:59 PM

OMG, everyone wants the best so why would they settle for less. Thats why people make custom quads, By the time the pros will be done with the yfz450 and the crf450 it wont even be close to factory.

It all depends on the rider. I dont care what quad it is, if your a crappy rider, you will be a crappy rider, regardless what quad you ride. Sure getting a better one will make you somewhat of a better rider but not that much. I WILL NOT buy the YFZ or the CRF wanna know why... I would rather build my own. By the time I spend all the money buying parts for them I would be better off buying a frame that will except a crf450 and drop that in.

People are making judgements too fast, I will laugh my *** off on September 10th if the trx450r is not to par as the yfz. Cause in my opinion the only thing the YFZ has going for it is the motor. I have seen them in action, and they dont do that well. The "OLD" and outdated 250rs, seem to slap it around. I thought it was a RACE READY MACHINE.

Rip_Tear

08-24-2003, 02:09 PM

The EX is already a legend... It brought back all the life into the sport and allowed everyone to have a choice.

Thats all that needs to be said and all that can be said.

nuclearkielbasa

08-24-2003, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Rico
But the days of the 250R are HISTORY... adios...see ya...don't let the door hit ya in the arse on the way out.

Ya right. I'm going to keep my '88-based 250R around until its 25 years old so that I can tell people that I just beat their *** riding an ANTIQUE!

I will have to agree that the 400EX is the next best thing unless you're willing to spend the money to build a fully modified 450F. (which, by the way, are based on 250R geometry for the most part)

racerx573

08-24-2003, 03:10 PM

Hey Rico tell that to Jeremiah, haha. And no the 400EX will never have as many championships as the R, or any R based quad. There's a reason every top rider chooses R geometry, cuz nothing else is better, and I highly doubt the new Honda will be better, it might be close, but not better. The EX will be like the R in fact that it will be discontinued. Word on the streets is that the new Honda is replacing the EX...

08-24-2003, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by racerx573
Hey Rico tell that to Jeremiah, haha. And no the 400EX will never have as many championships as the R, or any R based quad.

Well i would hope ta God the 250R has a ton of wins under it's belt after 16 years of use. Go to a national MX or XC race and ask how many R's finished compared to 400ex...I think you'll be surprised...;) Or better yet..ask how many R's signed up to race compared to 400ex's... I have nothing against one of the best honda ATV's ever built..but from what I gathered after lookin at the calender today,,it's not 1986,,it's 2003...:blah:

TRX330EX

08-24-2003, 03:41 PM

i dont think it will replace the ex. they are two different machines. notice its a 450R not an EX. u ppl are too wrapped up in these 250rs. u think nothing can replace it:rolleyes:

DEAL

08-24-2003, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Rico
It'll never be the R just for the fact that the R had what 13 years of being at the top. my mildly tuned 416ex will beat a stock 250R with no problem so I don't think the 250R like hung the moon or anything.. I'm not sayin there junk or that i wouldn't own one.. But the days of the 250R are HISTORY... adios...see ya...don't let the door hit ya in the arse on the way out. As Cody Anderson once said...." 2 strokes are obsolete unless your Jeremiah Jones...:D Jeremiah even complained about his last race that he couldn't here his motor because of all the thumpers roarin around him....:devil: I salute you 250R but your time has come and gone....Long live ground shakers...:blah:

The 250R is not that much above a 400ex that's for damn sure. I know i've beat plenty of them in MX and XC races..:scary:

Yup very true.
For 13 years the R had no real competition on the track which made it so popular.
With the 400ex, It has so much competition now people forget about it. It will never get near the recoginition the 250r does.
The only thing it really did was help start up the sport industry.

300exQuadracer

08-25-2003, 03:28 AM

i`m selling my 300ex and buying one of my buddys brothers 87 250r and its my 1st r but he told me he`s beat stroked 440ex`s and full race banshees i believe him too because that thing is fast! I think that 250r`s may be gettin les and less seen on the tracks, but they will allways be around because you can still get parts for them, but if it was tougher to get parts guys arent going to want a 20 yr old machine around they cant fix without breaking their bank account

wilkin250r

08-25-2003, 04:41 AM

I don't think the R is outdated, as Rico seems to believe. However, it IS a two-stroke, which I think takes a lot more skill to ride. It takes great finesse to feather the clutch out of the corners, to keep it in the powerband, and to keep the wheel spin under control. 4-strokes are much easier to ride, and much more forgiving, which is why they are so popular at the pro level.

On a two-stroke, a mistake with the clutch or shifting, or coming out of a corner in the wrong gear can cost you serious time. It will also cost you time on a 4-stroke, but not nearly as much. Maybe you drop 1 place instead of 4.

Also, without worrying so much about wheelspin and loss of traction, you can plan your lines much better through the corners, and you have more options. That's certainly appealing to racers.

I think that a mildly modded 250R is much faster than a mildly modded 400EX, and as such, it will always be popular in the local race circuits. Yeah, rider ability is big part of racing, but so is speed. Just that little extra speed can take a rider from a 5th place on a 400EX to a 3rd place on a 250r. At the local levels, the machine is often more important than the rider.

I don't think anything will ever replace the R. It's the only two-stroke with decent handling characteristics.

Glow Plug

08-25-2003, 04:53 AM

NO i don't think that the 400ex will ever be what the r is. Why? Because the r had NO comptision (sp?) for about 16 years (until the cr 450 came out)

I think that the 400ex will still be ploding along in years to come, but it will have been for gotten by everyone besides beginers.

I also think that 400ex is already legendary who do you think got this part of the sport started again??? Ummm honda right. With out the 400ex we wouldn't HAVE the new yz 450 and 450r coming out, becuase why spend all that money on the r&d work when you don't have to?

300exOH

08-25-2003, 05:09 AM

It's kind of like comparing apples to oranges here. The 400 will never compare the the 250R. The 250R was a race machine. Without the mighty R the 400 would've never existed. Neither would the 300EX. I think the fact of the matter is that Honda is LEGENDARY... period. All the other manufacturers struggle to produce quads to compete with all three of them. To me the 250R is race king. The 400EX is king of XC especially for beginners. And the 300EX/250X are the some of the greatest trail quads ever.

08-25-2003, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by the-ex-files
Do you think people will still be modding the 400ex in 15 years, and will it be as legendary as the 250R?
let me reinterate ....NO:D

joeroadking

08-25-2003, 02:29 PM

no it will never will be the r but surely the 400ex has its own merits! it really kickstared the sport atv scene again, but the r dominated the racing scene for nearly 15 years!!! no other quad can live up to that! today or I doubt in the future!:D