OT: Imports vs. Domestic

[Guy400]

This is funny! I drive both so it's all just a joke...

US vs. THEM : WHY IMPORTS SUCK

US: Stickers for contingency
THEM: Stickers for extra horsepower

US: 600 hp on 92-octance pump gas
THEM: 300 hp on $3-a-gallon 100-octane race gas

US: Swapping stock 14-inch wheels for 17's to clear trick brakes and suspension
THEM: Swapping stock 14-inch wheels for 20's despite stock brakes and suspension

US: Boost guage on a blown car, nitrous guage on a squeezed car
THEM: Both guages on a normally aspirated car

US: 500 lb-ft of torque at 3,500 rpm
THEM: 50 lb-ft of torque at 35,000 rpm

US: 600 hp makes for an earth-shaking street car
THEM: 600 watts per channel makes for an ear-shattering street car

US: Headers and 3-inch exhaust
THEM: Stock pea-shooter exhaust pipe with 5-inch tip

US: Buying an after-market shifter for shorter throws
THEM: Buying an after-market shifter for the lighted knob

US: Keeping a low profile and letting e.t.'s tell the story
THEM: Hoping the outrageous body kit will distract anyone from discussing e.t.'s

US: Sideways into third gear
THEM: Sideways to avoid high-centering on a speed bump

US: Tall spindle conversion for better camber gain and tire wear
THEM: Lowering 3 inches and ruining tires with 4 degrees of negative camber

US: Composite parts for light weight and aerodynamics
THEM: Composite veneer dash trim and guages

US: Upgrading to a 9-inch 'cause you keep braking stock rears
THEM: Realizing your built motor will keep breaking half-shafts forever

US: Functional air ducts to cool the big-block
THEM: Six different "cosmetic" air dams in random locations

US: Polising tail-light lenses to bring out the red color
THEM: Installing clear tailights to bait cops

US: Cruising and burnout contests at car shows
THEM: Disco-dancing and stereo competitions at car shows

US: Old-tech pushrod Chevy LS6 pushing 405 hp
THEM: State-of-the-art, dual overhead cam Honda VTEC pushing 180 hp

US: Race-class lettering on the rear window
THEM: Japanese "Honda" lettering on the rear window of a Nissan

US: Tach mounted on the dash, in the driver's line of sight
THEM: Bobbing-head doll mounted on the dash, in the driver's line of sight

US: Nitrous oxide
THEM: "Noss"

US: Installing a 12-point cage after breaking into the 11's
THEM: Installing a 12-poing cage for more places to mount guages

US: Feeling the car shake from a lumpy cam
THEM: Feeling the car shake from the booming bass

US: Comfy stock bucket seats on a 9-second street car
THEM: Back-breaking fiberglass racing buckets on a 17-second street car

US: Spending $2000 to get a new Z28 into the 11's
THEM: Spending $10,000 to get a Civic in the 12's

US: Leaving on the third amber light at the strip
THEM: Blowing through red lights on the street

US: Doing a short burnout to warm the tires before a pass
THEM: Weaving from side to side 'cause NASCAR racers do it

US: Showing off a 500 hp dyno sheet
THEM: Boasting that their 150 hp mill makes more hp per liter

US: Installing subframe connectors to stiffen the chassis
THEM: Connecting the subframes with neon lights

US: Annoying blind spot caused by the cowl induction hood
THEM: Annoying blind spot caused by limo-tinted windows and triple rear deck wing

[free_rider20]

I like those. Pretty funny stuff.

[MOFO]

When you guys say the word imports, I assume you are only talking about japanese cars.


European cars would NOT fit into your classification. With that said, I'd take a german built auto over anything out there...


Eric

[86GN]

:D couldn't have said it better

[Adam F]

Funny. Actually more sad than funny. Its a damn shame that the import world has gotten a bad wrap like that. Imports really are good cars. It's just those idiots that put yellow stripes, lots of stickers, and a stupid fart tip on their ride and think its cool. I like the plain imports. I used to have a 1990 Crx SI, and that thing was the funnest little car to drive. I really miss it. I have an import now too, but it's a truck. 1996 Toyota 4runner. (see sig) I wouldnt buy anything but imports. Thats just me though. I once had a Ford Escort. Never again.

[Adam F]

Oh, and really you can't say this is only imports. I see countless "riced out" Cavileers, Saturns, Neons, Grand Prix's, ect ect. It's just dumb young people doing this. Anymore it really has nothing to do with the car. It's whatever car they can get their hands on.

Guy,

that is so true.....

After racing for many years I finally let that part of my life RIP...
All I wanted was to get into the 11's and I did on my daily driver once I did I let it go... It only took 3 motors and 6 trannies...

[Mitch400EX]

LOL guy660R I couldn't have said better myself!!

I live in the rice capital of the world. The idea of a "fast" car here is a civic with a big *** decklid spoiler, 20 inch rims, tinted windows and a coffee can tailpipe. Some people are just plain stupid...


www.ricecop.com is a really funny website everyone should check it out. Two thumbs up

[LEE314EX]

hey now.. i drive a rice burner and i have done some stuff to it like spoiler clear tail lights chrome grill insert a pipe and a cold air intake..its a civic and the thing will run forever cuz its an import and they last. just my thoughts though

[JabberJaw]

I want my wife to give me a "Hummer"!!!!! :-)

[Tommy 17]

DUDE ROFL thats all ture but i still love the honda and eciplses and stuff... i love the fast and furious and low riders and pocket rockets with all my subs and amps and system that will make me go deaf if i turn it up the whole way:D :D i guess its just the new generation of kids toys that are comin out...

[Guy400]

My friend sent that to me. He copied it from an edition of Car Craft magazine.

The word "imports" should've been in quotes because it applies to all 4 cylinder/small V6 cars that have been riced out. I had my TSi and I totally respect what they are capable of. The difference with mine was that it was as stock looking as the day it rolled off the assembly line. My theory is form follows function so I made sure that the car had the nuts before it had the look. The only complaint I had about it was the Buschur exhaust I had for it. It came with a single 4" tip that I was not happy with. Fortunately, with the intake mods that I did to the car the whoosh of the turbo was louder than the exhaust. The Buschur system is quieter by nature anyway than most of the other systems on the market.

This was all just a joke and I figured quite a few of us would get a chuckle out of it.

[Nausty]

http://www.ricecop.com/ricepics/!CID_riceprobe3.jpg

I don't really like ricers either although I think the supra's are nice. But most all of the "imports" I see on the roads around here are just like the one above with stupid stickers all over, over sized exhaust tip, japanese symbols and the big ol' window stickers that say "CIVIC" or any other stupid thing you could think of including stereo systems, type of car, or whatever. I think all that stuff is stupid.

[250rampage]

I also have both an import and a domestic car. A '95 Acura Legend LS Coupe with a Weapon R CAI, and a Remus Exhaust (not some big 4 inch tip deal, two small, rectangle chrome tips) on the way. My other car is a 73 Dodge Challenger i'm currently building for strip/street with my dad (he has an origional #'s matching 69 Dodge Coronet R/T 440). The challenger is getting the treatment of a 360 block, stroked to 406, Tremtec 5 speed OD transmission, 11:1 Comp. pistons, INDY heads, 2 4bbl carbs, ext...
In my experience, the Acura is more fun to drive anywhere but on nice day's or on the dragstrip. It's nice not having to worry about some clueless driver slamming into me, or some jealous kid screw with it. The Acura looks stock, and the muffler i'm getting is far from obnoxiously loud, unlike the usuall Greddy pipes you hear. I have to admit though, there's noting like pinning the throttle on a big block

[51]

i once owned rice ( 94laser n/t with a few bolt ons coil overs's strut tower brace enkie16's borla 3" exhaust, and a really loud muffler) but now i have come back to domestic now i drive a mustang.....i am sad because none of the ricers want to race my for pink slip[s around here.....i thought it was really funny and i've send this link to a few of my buddies and the liked it too

Ha all you Domestics lovers can kiss my ***. I have an S-10 with a 350 and it really rips me around but i also believe you must be doing something right when you can make a 13 or 14 second 4-cylinder. It takes a lot of work but it can be done. Just because its an import doesn't mean its Rice. I don't plan on stickering up my car with **** i don't have anything soon i would agree that is lame. Ohh yeah and 51 you better get ready to see my tail lights as soon as i get some motor work done!.. lol :devil

[MOFO]

Originally posted by BADASSTALON
Ha all you Domestics lovers can kiss my ***. I have an S-10 with a 350 and it really rips me around but i also believe you must be doing something right when you can make a 13 or 14 second 4-cylinder. It takes a lot of work but it can be done. Just because its an import doesn't mean its Rice. I don't plan on stickering up my car with **** i don't have anything soon i would agree that is lame. Ohh yeah and 51 you better get ready to see my tail lights as soon as i get some motor work done!.. lol :devil


something doesnt make sense here. You are telling domestic lovers to kiss your ***, but you own a S-10 yourself. Nice to see this is your first post and by the looks of things, I dont even think you have a quad. Keep your "wanna race" crap at the other "rice" boards.


Eric

[Guy400]

I just knew at least one idiot would ruin this thread...

Hmm, he doesn't plan on stickering up his car but one of his mods on his Talon is "Decals"? How about the "R1 Dual Stack Wing"? Sounds like rice to me:o Also, Mr. Talon, re-read this thread and you'll see that we've already made the distinction between 'rice' and imports.

I'm sure 51 would like to race you, around a MX track.

Ditto on the Seattle-area infestation of rice-mobiles. Down here in Tacoma, it's bad. My 16-year-old daughter is so annoyed by it, she has a license plate frame that reads, "I'd rather push my Mazda than drive a Honda."

Philly is just as bad. Rice every where. I think it`s something that we should get used to because it`s here to say (GASP!!!). But i think toyota sumed it up best with their Celica commercial...

"IT JUST LOOKS FAST"

What happened to the days of buying a car and there would be slicks in the trunk? Factory installed roll cages? Windows with seat belts attatched to them so you could roll them down. AHHH i guess i am just living in the past!

Here is a picture of my Skylark that i just recently sold to finish my race car project... 455 .030 over i did all teh machining and motor work. Dynoed at 523hp 481 pd ft tourque with single 4 barrel. Ran 12.30`s all day long with k-mart tires!

[Adam F]

Originally posted by BADASSTALON
make a 13 or 14 second 4-cylinder



Ummmm....I have seen 9 and 10 second 4cy's

I once farted in the gas tank of my Sentra and made it to Detroit and back, crazy.

The new Nissan Z350 is faster than a Porsche(0-60mph<6s) and half as much. But Z lovers are not the typlical import buyers you see doing the crap you discribed.


The new Z
www.nissandriven.com (http://www.nissandriven.com)
go to the 305Z, not future Z.


Its worth a look

what porsche the 944 from 88?

[4punksdad]

the new Z is very impressive looking. I am sure it will perform quite well also. rumor has it, it will be affordably priced also.

check this website for pure rice.......... www.beaterz.com

You guys have to relies not everyone wants to drag race there car or have the fastest car, that's probably why they put there money into a "system" I am going to put a "system" in my old chevy pickup:eek: If they like the big chrome tip or the 20s that serve no purpose, good for them. If I see something I don't like am not going to rag on it and go on and on about how crappy it is to me. Get over it. RICE or RACE is there decision so lets have alittle respect for them? It doesn't cost YOU any money if they put a wing on the back.....does it? Not everyone likes the same things, get over it.:o

[Nausty]

would this happen to be your car killer?
http://www.beaterz.com/one_liners/0201/images/miata_bench.jpg

I just think its funny how some people waste there money on all this junk to put on the vehicle to make it look like it has all the mods and crap. The thing is that miata probably has nothing done to the motor.

[400exRacerX]

I totally agree with Guy and those statements were funny. Check out this import, it might actually get into the teens in a 1/4 mile. Looks fast though right? I meen those rims add 30hp.

[crday98]

Originally posted by 51
i once owned rice ( 94laser n/t with a few bolt ons coil overs's strut tower brace enkie16's borla 3" exhaust, and a really loud muffler)aren't they made by dodge,plymouth,chrysler(all the same company)in the USA?

Us: 3 gallons to the mile
Imports: 35 mile to the gallon and eating camaros worldwide

Us: Fat hillbillys that had pintos in high school
Imports: Young people making their car be different from the others

Us: People with large displacement motors to make up from the small displacement in their pants
Imports: Small but gets the job done better

Us: spend time replacing rods,tranys,rear ends
Imports: spend time fixing rear struts due to all the girls they've been doing

Face it, Imports are faster,better lookin, better gas milage,motors last longer. I do dislike all the stupid stickers and to big of wings. Give me a eclipse gsx and i'll be stomping on domestics all DAY!!

[Guy400]

Originally posted by LRD TRX250R
Face it, Imports are faster,better lookin, better gas milage,motors last longer. I do dislike all the stupid stickers and to big of wings. Give me a eclipse gsx and i'll be stomping on domestics all DAY!! I owned the equivalent of a GSX and while I surprised a number of Mustangs and Camaro's but there were more LS1 Z's and T/A's than I care to remember that handed me my *** that were only running a cat-back and K&N. I did get the launch on them because of my AWD but they out HP'd me after 3rd gear. Since we're talking about drag racing, the fastest in the world are still using Made in America, Keith Black engines. No REAL 1/4 miler is worried about gas mileage and once those 4 cylinders are built to that extreme they get torn down and inspected between rounds just like the V8 guys. I'm not downing the import racers but I don't consider them to be on the same level as the V8 draggers. The last import drag I watched the All Motor class (no NOS, turbos or superchargers) was only in the 11's and that was with tube chassis' and fiberglass bodies. I've seen all motor small block V8's that were in steel bodied cars well into the 10's, knocking of the door of 9's. Take John Force's Nitro Funny Car. Full tube chassis that has been stretched, weighs 3000lbs., and runs gigantic Goodyear slicks. The most exotic import racer that runs a fiberglass CRX body and tips the scale at 1800lbs. with 12" slicks isn't even on the same planet as Force's car. To each his own but I don't think the V8 guys suffer from small penis syndrome.

[Leo]

Working at a chrylser dealership we get our fair share of the Dodge/Eagle branded mistsubishis (talon/laser/avenger/etc..)

My experience...

Talon/Laser ... good for 45k after that throw it away. usually about 55k they snap on of the timing belts resulting in ~3-4k in engine damage (both the turbo + non-turbo DOHC versions).. The folks who have there timing belts changed to prevent this usually go to a 'discount' automotive joint to have the belts changed.. end result? they wind up botching up the timing and getting the valves bent anyway.. You can't keep a rear wheel bearing in them.. The electrical system is a pure nightmare if you live in the salt-belt (crimped, unsoldered, unsealed ground splices!)..

They are a quick car, no doubt _but_ they are very maintenance intensive, and parts are insanely expensive..

Avenger... junk... I don't have one good thing to say about this car.. If your thinking about buying one don't! If you own one, sell it now, take the loss and consider it a lesson learned.

New 2-door stratus/sebring... so far so good, of course no one is buying them :D

Leo

[86GN]

I guess some of you grew up in a different time:( . I have a car that will run in the 12s(for less than $1,000 worth of mods) and maybe 11s if I worked at it a little, has a/c and will get over 20mpg and it was made by Buick 16 years ago.

[96300ex]

Grand National? Now that's a turbo car!

LRD TRX250R

You wrote:

"... Imports: Young people making their car be different from the others...
"
and

"... Imports: spend time fixing rear struts due to all the girls they've been doing"

Regarding the first comment: Young people always want to stand out from the crowd. It's natural, and their desire to do so should be respected, but not the results. Their "product" stands on its own and will be judged on its merits. As some humorist said, 'Just remember, you are different -- just like everyone else.'

As for your second... women aren't things to be "done." Your degrading statement is shameful.

Count the number of import aftermarket sources and domestic aftermarket sources and you will find that for every 1 import "shop" you have 6-8 domestic places. So how different can you be with this limited number of resources? Did you know APC makes over 35% of aftermarket accesories for imnports?

Now as for the broken strut remark , if your car wasn`t made with quality japaneese pot metal maybe your struts would hold up to bangin your fat girlfriend.

Hey it`s cool if you want to play that game but remember and never forget, you can build a v-8 faster than a 4 cylinder!

[96300ex]

My grandfather's Honda Valkrie has the same displacement as a I-4 engine. Don't hold me to this but i belive honda puts a 1.8L in some car or another. If I'm right, than that's pretty sad.

LRD, Think before you speak!

My favorite pic ever!

picture was cool..........profanity is not allowed however

[51]

Originally posted by crday98
aren't they made by dodge,plymouth,chrysler(all the same company)in the USA?

i know the Eagle Talon, Plymouth Laser, and Mitsu Eclipse were all made but D.S.M ( Dimond Star Motorsports ) and i am not sure where they are made....it was rice because it had a loud exhaust....lol if i owned one i'd call it a ricer my self i think thats a cool name...lol

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p232fc2441ddee8885d8cb5dc611ff655/fe062610.jpg

LRD TRX250R,

Imports WILL NEVER!!!!!! be where domestics are now.. sorry but there is so much you can do with a 4 civic or a Eclipse... lol just like there is so much you cand do with a 250ex!!!!! Maybe if I remove the engine of a 250ex and slap in something else... But stock for stock all ricers becides the the Supras and NSX types ... All ricers only have inports because they are a bunch or little kids and there daddys only let them buy 4 cylinders and such because of insurance purposes.... lol I have had import guys with me on my car with all motor and they are scared and hold on like if they are going to $@#t there pants... And when I hit the Unit (Bottle Fed) they have asked me to stop... lol Better check your self before you wreck yourself BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I too like the surgeon general give a warning... DONTRY!!!!

[Evan]

I just thought I would jump into the fray........ I am more of a quad person than a car person, but I think if you look at quads and look at the american made stuff like polaris it is junk compared to hondas which run forever. Plus on american made stuff the handling is just not there, take a Ranger and see how it handles compared to a Tacoma or Frontier. My cousin has a Lexus that I would take anyday over just about any american car. I have driven this car and find it hard to belive that any american car would even come close in handling and still have decent power except another import or BMW Its a GS 400 I love that car. The only american vehicle I would have would be a Lightning cuz they have lots of hp plus they can tow my quad. So IMPORT VS. DOMESTIC = I will take Import

[Pro400EXC]

I love both cars (Domestic and Import). If I could aford both, I would get both. I would love to have a 1968 Camaro with a pumped up 383 stroker. And I would love to have a 2001 Ford SuperDuty with 7.3l Powerstroke (my MOM has one)Crew,Cab,4x4, and a 16 Inch lift sittin on 44's. And last I would love to have a 98 Supra 6-speed Twin turbo.

[Nausty]

I don't really care as long as its fast, cheap, looks good, has 4 tires. I could care less about the rest.

[ChadEXer]

Originally posted by 250r_W_huevos
LRD TRX250R,

Imports WILL NEVER!!!!!! be where domestics are now.. sorry but there is so much you can do with a 4 civic or a Eclipse... lol just like there is so much you cand do with a 250ex!!!!! Maybe if I remove the engine of a 250ex and slap in something else... But stock for stock all ricers becides the the Supras and NSX types ... All ricers only have inports because they are a bunch or little kids and there daddys only let them buy 4 cylinders and such because of insurance purposes.... lol I have had import guys with me on my car with all motor and they are scared and hold on like if they are going to $@#t there pants... And when I hit the Unit (Bottle Fed) they have asked me to stop... lol Better check your self before you wreck yourself BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I too like the surgeon general give a warning... DONTRY!!!!
OK first of all I hate to flame but its really needed here. As you might all know I have an Eclipse. Yes my Eclipse would blow the doors off your POS Ford. I dont really care for 4 cylinders and yes I am selling mine, but they are good cars and can be made to go very fast. So from what you say I guess my daddy would only let me have a 4 cylinder right?? Well I can tell you this, I make more $$ in a week than you make in a year and because you say that I have the feeling your daddy probably bought you that car didnt he??

[Scott]

I gotta jump in here too. Even Leo got in this one!

OK, to each their own and all that crap, but there are some real thick skulls running around in here. OK, I'll be the first to admit a 10 sec civic is amazing. Now let's see what it looks like at the 200,000 mile mark. Jacked up that much to get to the 10's, it ain't gonna see 200k miles. My S-10 will.
Next thing, people have mentioned tube chassis, glass bodied ricers that resemble CRX's. These are obviously full race cars. They run what, 9's at best? A V-8 powered, tube chassis, with sheet metal consistently runs in the 6's. Matter of fact a bunch of them due, they're called pro stock. Anyone ever heard of Warren Johnson?

Face it, anything you can do with 4 cylinders, you can do with 8 cylinders. If you want twin screws on 4 cylinders, 8 will definitely handle them. Fuel injection, check. MSD, check. It doesn't matter, when it comes to drag racing, there is NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT. A jacked 2.0L ain't gona run with a 500CI V-8, or a 400, or a 350, or...

But I do think it's really cool of the small displacement guys to come up with all kinds of high tech ideas to get more hp that can then be used to get even more power from the V-8s.

As for bustin struts with your girlfriend, no you busted the struts with the weight of your ground effects and triple stacked wing on the back. I'm really amazed that a 4cyl Civic on the street needs more rear wing than a 1970 Hemi Daytona Charger running +200mph at Talledega.

[Guy400]

Originally posted by Scott
As for bustin struts with your girlfriend, no you busted the struts with the weight of your ground effects and triple stacked wing on the back. I'm really amazed that a 4cyl Civic on the street needs more rear wing than a 1970 Hemi Daytona Charger running +200mph at Talledega. You mean all these wings aren't functional??
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p3edd5df0cb52b380795ba3bb45863c0e/fdf73708.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p066ea73f600eb56aef28aa5488bd86b5/fdf73709.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p7e3dfec83911fc8a096c883ae30c3558/fdf7370a.jpg

[Scott]

This one is one of my favorites. If you look closely, there's 3 wings. You can make out the ones at the top and bottom of the rear glass, but the bottom one actually has another on stacked on it. Must be a truly impressive 1.8L.

[Guy400]

Did you see the quad stack on the MX-6 in the top pic I posted? There's a double stack wing off the top of the car and then another double stack off the trunk:huh :rolleyes:

[Scott]

Good point Guy, I missed that they were each double stacks. Ay a glance I only saw the two "main" wings. These guys have more wing area than some commercial planes!

[4punksdad]

hey guy,..............same guy painted those wings as the guy who painted on my van!

[Guy400]

All you need is a V-TEC sticker on the on the front fenders, a big Japanese symbol on the back door and maybe and on the side you could put a banner promoting your favorite aftermarket accessory that you don't have!

[4punksdad]

Originally posted by Guy660R
All you need is a V-TEC sticker on the on the front fenders, a big Japanese symbol on the back door and maybe and on the side you could put a banner promoting your favorite aftermarket accessory that you don't have!

maybe one of the members here could send the photo to paint shop for a little "conceptual" graphics?

Actually, the Daytona's were 69's. Superbirds were 70's.


BTW ChadEXer, I'm still waiting for 60 foot times and mph on That Ford beating, Domestic ***** kicking Eclipse. Where they at? You keep talking about it but got nothing to back it up.

[Mitch400EX]

Yep, guess those 4 bangers have sooo much power that they need all of those rear wings to take weight off of the front drive wheels hahahaha

[Mitch400EX]

check this link out. I'm sure this will induce a lot of flames but I'm gonna post it anyway. I drew that comic during school. The scan didn't pick up the pencil lines too well, the real thing looks much better ;)

http://communities.msn.com/iainspicturesonthenet/funny****.msnw?albumlist=2

[Guy400]

That's funny! The blue smoke segment is the best!

[JustRace]

Here you go 4punks. I lowered it put ricer exhaust on it one side stripe a wing on top and i put some decals on it. I just couldn't find any jap writing quick enough.

Dang! That van will probably run 9's now.

[JustRace]

I made it even faster now. I was able to lower the box part down so its right on top of the cab now, and now it looks like it has stacked spoilers. If its only running 9's i had better add a couple more striped to get it in the 8's

[Pro400EXC]

Alright already,plz quit Bashing Honda's (civics,V-tech and all that).

I say let people do what hey like. If some 16 yr Old kid wants a Civic with 18's (not 20's like most people think,20's are for Trucks Mainly and Impalas and all) Most Import guys use 17's 18's and 19's (rarley 19's). And if you like that Psssst Psssst of you blow Off vavle for your turbo every time you shift,then get that(i think it sounds great.

I also love the sound of a Charger with a 426 Blown ,that winding sound of the roots type blower just sounds great, and when they Purge that NOS system that just Tickles My Fancy.'

I think you should do what you like. Maybe you want a nice looking car,but don't want the 5mpg 700hp V-8,maybe a 300hp 4cyl that get's 20mpg is better for you?

Its all about what you like. Maybe some like Honda,other's like Yamaha,some like FMF others Love Pro Circuit,but we don't have to bash them cause thats what they like.

Just Like the guy that has Flaming Fenders on his 400ex,I think there ugly,but other's love them, Oh well, who cares.

Like they say, "What Ever Floats your Boat"

god i wish i had the money to go get a eclipse gsx and blow those mustangs away or maybe a nice subaru impreza wrx. as for the "daddys bought them a 4 banger due to insurance guy" honda civics are one of the most stolen cars in the U.S and full coverage on them is not that cheap. Thats why i got a truck not a civic.

My car is a 1993 del sol si with a 94 built b18c. It runs Low to mid 14's and still does over 30mpg on highway THIS IS WHY I DRIVE AN IMPORT.

I have no body kit, no wing, currently running on 14in rims(had to trim inside to fit bigger brakes) CF hood 2.25in drop.

THERE IS RICE AND THEN THERE IS RICE........ Just want yall to realise that.


BTW: I want to build me a 5.0 ranger to haul my atv's WHAT IS A GOOD BOARD FOR THIS ???????

peace

[Scott]

Demon340: Actually, the Charger Daytona was a 69 1/2, but I figured saying 1970 was close enough to get my point accross.

As for the 14 sec Del Sol, my 77 Dodge will get in the 14's and still haul my quad. Nothing on the truck you couldn't get from Mother Mopar in '77. Actually, the 440 in that truck might put me in the 14's WITH the quad in the back...

Originally posted by jfboy



BTW: I want to build me a 5.0 ranger to haul my atv's WHAT IS A GOOD BOARD FOR THIS ???????

peace

My boy is selling his 93 ranger splash 4x4 with a 5.0HO swap. It has an AOD with an advance adapters trasfer case so he could still have 4x4. It is a clean swap and with 33`s and a 3 inch lift that truck is quick! He wants 7500 bux.



As for Hondas, i will have one out later this summer, 93 civic hatch b18C5 (type r motor) prob si or LS trans which ever fits and if i can find some specs for ratios that would help. This car will run mid to low 13`s. 12`s on slicks with gutted interior. This will be my mustang eater and my money winner. :)

[Scott]

I can't wait to see the pictures on beaterz.com

The ricer style may be the wave of the future, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Hey Slowride, if I understand you correctly, after you get done with your Honda Type R v-TEK WTF ABCD XYZ conversion, you'll be just about able to match a stock camaro, right? I don't understand. You've posted so much about V-8 drag cars, you seem to really know your hot rods. So why the poser drag car? I don't get it.

His ranger is probably trick but I'm looking for a 2x4 truck.

splash king cab, 93-97 5spd with or without the swap in it.


I know my cousing would melt if he saw that 4x4.

He has a 88 2.9 4x4 with 2in body lift, and 4 in suspension lift, and is on 33's....HE WANTS TO SWAP A 302...


Anybody building a honda comes to me(I know just about everything when it comes to swaps and all motor buildups)

Originally posted by ChadEXer

OK first of all I hate to flame but its really needed here. As you might all know I have an Eclipse. Yes my Eclipse would blow the doors off your POS Ford. I dont really care for 4 cylinders and yes I am selling mine, but they are good cars and can be made to go very fast. So from what you say I guess my daddy would only let me have a 4 cylinder right?? Well I can tell you this, I make more $$ in a week than you make in a year and because you say that I have the feeling your daddy probably bought you that car didnt he??


ChadExer................................... It sounds like it hit the nail in the head ehe???? Wanna start comparing salary numbers???? Im 27 years old and till this day daddy never bought me a car... He does have a 85 stang that will proably kill your POS Eclipse... I built the motor... :D it has a 347 stroker w/aluminum heads and a 780cc Double Pumper Holley ,, do you know what that is? lol

As for your car being for sale says alot.... Why you selling it cause its broken down? or cause you want something BETTER??? lol

My car wouldnt even give your car the time of day... I also run a 347 stroker with a touch or Jungle Juice... 250 shot of Nitrous.. so take your POS **** eclipse and unload your gun put your panties back on and relax to each his own... go watch the Fast and Furious again ... and watch the part where that MADE in USA car comes out towards the end... even that one dude forgot his name is scared of that car... lol

and here is what the cockpit looks like.... and its all funtional and needed... unlike alot of ricers they put blower gauges and boost gauges just for looks... lol

I remember one day when I was selling a NOS kit and a Ricer asks me over the phone... does this kit have the purge? I told him it didnt ... But I told him how he could purge it with out the kit and he told me that he was only intrested in the purge cause he didnt want to put NOS on his car just wanted to make it seem like he did... POOOOOOOOser!!!! just like alot of ricers...

And Chad this is a flame towards you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by 250r_W_huevos

I remember one day when I was selling a NOS kit and a Ricer asks me over the phone... does this kit have the purge? I told him it didnt ... But I told him how he could purge it with out the kit and he told me that he was only intrested in the purge cause he didnt want to put NOS on his car just wanted to make it seem like he did... POOOOOOOOser!!!! just like alot of ricers...




Like I said ther is rice and there's rice.

Beleive me I REALLY DO HATE RICERS TOO !!!! They give the rest of us(REAL IMPORT GUYS) a bad rep.

Everynow and then I hear a DSM guys say he beat a typeR in his v6 mustang(3.8 POS that motor never gets past 100k if ridden like I ride my honda) DUMBASS !!! THE GUY HAD ''TYPE R STICKER ON AN LS''...

[Evan]

Hmmmmmmmmmm You guys are strange...... You hate imports but yet you drive Honda quads:huh :huh I will never understand this world. If your so fired up about domestic vehicles why dont you go buy you a cannondale or a poolaris.

[Scott]

Big difference between ATV's and cars. And I thought we were talking about performance cars/racing?

If you were a die hard Yamaha or Kawi fan, does that mean you should walk because they don't make a car? Or if you're a true Chevy/Ford guy you shouldn't ride ATV's?

Originally posted by jfboy



Like I said ther is rice and there's rice.

Beleive me I REALLY DO HATE RICERS TOO !!!! They give the rest of us(REAL IMPORT GUYS) a bad rep.

Everynow and then I hear a DSM guys say he beat a typeR in his v6 mustang(3.8 POS that motor never gets past 100k if ridden like I ride my honda) DUMBASS !!! THE GUY HAD ''TYPE R STICKER ON AN LS''...

I know what you mean... I rest my case.

[ChadEXer]

Originally posted by 250r_W_huevos



ChadExer................................... It sounds like it hit the nail in the head ehe???? Wanna start comparing salary numbers???? Im 27 years old and till this day daddy never bought me a car... He does have a 85 stang that will proably kill your POS Eclipse... I built the motor... :D it has a 347 stroker w/aluminum heads and a 780cc Double Pumper Holley ,, do you know what that is? lol

As for your car being for sale says alot.... Why you selling it cause its broken down? or cause you want something BETTER??? lol

My car wouldnt even give your car the time of day... I also run a 347 stroker with a touch or Jungle Juice... 250 shot of Nitrous.. so take your POS **** eclipse and unload your gun put your panties back on and relax to each his own... go watch the Fast and Furious again ... and watch the part where that MADE in USA car comes out towards the end... even that one dude forgot his
name is scared of that car... lol
Yes I would like to compare salary numbers. Like I said, I am an agent for a freight forwarding company and I make more in a week than you make in a year. I am selling the car because I have way too many vehicles. I am having another kid and dont need my ricer anymore. I am into jacking trucks up and that what I like to do. A ford mustang is the biggest waste of sheet metal I have ever seen in my life!! You couldnt pay me to drive one!! But of course thats my opinion. I have had the Eclipse for about 4 years and no there is absolutely nothing wrong with it!! im just not into it anymore. My dad hasnt been around in a while and my mother was a single mother of 4 making minimum wage so I would say i doubt she bought me anything. Dont be MAD. It gonna be OK, I promise

[Evan]

Originally posted by Scott
Big difference between ATV's and cars. And I thought we were talking about performance cars/racing?

If you were a die hard Yamaha or Kawi fan, does that mean you should walk because they don't make a car? Or if you're a true Chevy/Ford guy you shouldn't ride ATV's?

You totally missed my point. If you like american made stuff so much why dont you ride a cannondale or a polaris. I would personally like to say I drive/ride american made stuff but to me the quality and handling is not there. No brand of atv/dirtbike has ever matched honda for reliability, polaris dont even come close. Same way with cars if you buy a honda accord it will go 200k with out even sneezing, on the other hand a Ford or chevy aint gonna cut it unless you baby it. I have liked fords most of my life untill I drove imports IE lexus, toyotas, Nissan, honda. After driving them I cant see why anyone would go for a domestic unless u are a diehard american. Maybe american cars have more hp but if the imports 4cyls have these mustangs with v8s that worried think what will happen when they move up to V8. BTW I heard on tacomaterritory.com that toyota has purchased the block plans from chevys 350 Its time for domestic cars to be running scared.
IMPORTS=Reliability and Handling
Domestic=Horsepower and not so good handling

[ChadEXer]

Originally posted by X-Rider


You totally missed my point. If you like american made stuff so much why dont you ride a cannondale or a polaris. I would personally like to say I drive/ride american made stuff but to me the quality and handling is not there. No brand of atv/dirtbike has ever matched honda for reliability, polaris dont even come close. Same way with cars if you buy a honda accord it will go 200k with out even sneezing, on the other hand a Ford or chevy aint gonna cut it unless you baby it. I have liked fords most of my life untill I drove imports IE lexus, toyotas, Nissan, honda. After driving them I cant see why anyone would go for a domestic unless u are a diehard american. Maybe american cars have more hp but if the imports 4cyls have these mustangs with v8s that worried think what will happen when they move up to V8. BTW I heard on tacomaterritory.com that toyota has purchased the block plans from chevys 350 Its time for domestic cars to be running scared.
IMPORTS=Reliability and Handling
Domestic=Horsepower and not so good handling
AMEN:D

[Scott]

OK let's compare apples and apples. The import fans brag on the Type R's, Supra and NSX. Domestics - C5 and Viper. First off, other than the new Integra, Honda never offered a Type R in the US. Reliability and Handling vs HP and no Handeling? Please. Since you guys are into handling, do you watch the races? Umm, didn't the mustangs and vettes pretty much handle the road racing circuit this year? Yep. How about the endurance races, for reliability you know, ummm Vette and Viper. Hmmm. No imports. Actually, the imprts from the other coast (BMW, etc) were getting man handled by the Vette and Viper.

As far as the stock mustang goes, the 4.6 has not matched the 5.0L, and even the 5.0L couldn't match the GM F-bodies in performance numbers. If your import can beat a V6 Stang, comgrats. Maybe you can beat a cavalier or a saturn next.

The import fad is neat and all that, but the american racing scene is in no danger from the 4cyl camp. You brag about 13/14 sec 1/4s while the V-8s brag about 11s and 12s.

As for the 200k thing, I've watched a Plymouth Sundance (defintiely NOT top of the line US quality) hit 225k and it's still going. My S-10 (2.8L 5spd) is rolling up on 200k and it's factory original.

[Scott]

Toyota better buy the V8 plans from someone because their I-force V8 is a POS.

My friend has a beat to death 88 crx si with 224kmiles...

THE MOTOR WAS RUNNING PERFECT WHEN WE PULLED IT OUT TO SWAP IN A B18A....

He's selling it BTW(the motor with 224kmiles) And If I needed one I would buy it in a heartbeat. I am pretty dam shure this motor has another 100k miles of life on it.

My mom had a 98 chevy van(3.4l) She drives like a mom(of course) and this vanm well maintained... 45K miles....... blew head gasket and head waped. Plus every little thing on the interior was falling to pieces.... 55k miles....... tranny started slipping.... 56 k miles....

SHE TRATED IT IN FOR AN IMPORT. This car(hyundai elantra) was used and now has 59k miles on it and we have changed **** on it except tires.

[JustRace]

Well if people take care of there vehicles they will all last a long time. My first truck was a 94 chev 1/2ton with 240,000 miles on it and it never had any problems. My dad and I changed the motor at 240,000 miles because the back main seal went so we figured if we have to pull the motor we might as well put a new one in. Now I have a 89' cutlass with 160,000 miles still runs and looks like new.

But as far as handling what vehicle has the best skid pad handling? I believe it is the vette.

[Guy400]

As with any rule, there are exceptions. I had a '91 Caprice with the 9C1 package (Police package, same as Impala SS). This car has over 180,000 on the original 350 TBI motor and 700R-4 transmission. I drove this car for quite some time and beat the piss out of it. I gave it to my brother when I bought my LT1 Z several years ago and he continues to use it as his family hauler. A friend of mine who owns a speed shop has a late-80's Caprice wagon with the 305 in it. It's got 275,000 and doesn't drip or smoke. That's his part runner car. The secret to all of these miles? Proper maintenance and some luck. Japanese imports have their reliability horror stories as well so it's not like they're impervious. I can't tell you how many broken timing belt stories I've heard of with imports where the timing belt breaks while the motor is running and the next thing you know so many valves are sticking up through the valve (singular :D) cover that it looks like the candles on a birthday cake. I'm not anti-import either, I just think they build a better commuter than a drag car. When the clock strikes high noon and the smoke clears, American V-8's are still the fastest on the strip.

Scott,

I understand you know alot about cars , however i think you need to learn about streetracing. I have a NMRA hot street car( i was running renegade street but it is too damn expensive). Now when i take that thing out its on a trailer and for big bux. No import or domestic guy driving his car to the races wants a piece of it. Now i have a 96 GT that is a legitimate 12 second car and EVERYONE wants to run it. Now i had a 88 Civic hatch b16a and a drag turbo kit. With the t3/t4 and slicks i went to an axel breaking 12.23 @134 mph. i made a friggin TON on money in that car. 50 bux here 500 there. I need another Honduh to take the ricers money so i am going with the type r civic and spray.

My shop is mainly a ford shop, we do numerous GM`s tho. If anyone knows philly they know of the bad racing crew and titanic. I have a fast ford and a slow vert now i need something to beat the ricers. When it comes to cars beating the ricers in a ricer is the best feeling in the world!

[Scott]

Now I understand. I just didn't get why you were wanting to build a Honda after you had been talking about the cars you drag. It was obvious you knew your wrenches, but I didn't get it. Good luck with padding your bank account.

:) I love takin money from import drivers who thnk they know their stuff. hehe. I am deep down a hardcore domestic fan. But i will work on anything for money!

hey scott what do you drive? care to set up a friendly race ? hehe Oh and not on quads i ride too slow lol

[Scott]

Sure I'll run ya, but I pick the track. Come on over to Ohio, and bring your wallet...

At the moment I'm a 3 truck family. My daily driver is the '92 2.8L S-10 5spd I mentioned before. The "family car" is a 2000 Silverado Z71 Ext Cab (5.3L auto). My pet project is a '77 Dodge shortbed stepside 440/727/3.23's. I had 3.90's in it and I really wish I hadn't swapped them out. I also have another 440 on the ground that's waiting for a chassis. My next acquisition will be the 69 Vette of my fathers, 427 (390hp, not the 435hp), Borg Warner Super T-10, coupe. It's all numbers matching original minus the paint, carb, and shifter, but we still have the original carb and shifter in a box.

[Guy400]

Scott, my grandmother has a mint all original '68 Vette. It's only the 300hp 327 with the 4 speed. She is the original owner and it's only got 42,000 miles on it with the steel T-tops. There's just something about a Vette, especially the early Mako years, that no other car can reproduce. I love the deep gauges and big fenders humps. Truly an American classic. Everyone can talk about the Stangs, Camaros, Chevelles, Challengers, Darts, etc. but nothing had that "thing" like the Vettes.

[Scott]

I have to agree wuth you Guy. This 69 has 46,000 miles on it. Sounds like that 68 would be a beautiful car.

Also sounds like it would look really nice setting next to this 69...:devil

[Pro400EXC]

WAIT a second. The NSX is Acura, which is american made(made in america) . What piss's me off is that my mom's Super Duty(Ford) has parts on it made from beaners (mexico). And not to many people own Supra's around here, but if they do, they don't brag about it like the true RICE people. And most Supar and NSX guys have money and they don't really brag about there Supra's and NSX's.

Oh and how bout Gary Selzi(former Winston Top Fuel Driver), well I was reading a article on him, and this yr he has alot of Guys scared (John Force,Whit Bazmore,Ron Capps) because he is gonna be running a Toyota Celica Body (don't flame me,cause I know it's still american parts and chassis,but it's still a Import Body, and it's the first import pro class car since 1960's or so)

Peace Out

[Scott]

Most "domestic" , scratch that, ALL domestic vehicles have either parts from CAN/MEX or they are assembled in CAN/MEX. Honda civics, accords, and acuras are made about 5 miles from my house, that doesn't mean they're an American car. My Silverado was assembled in CAN. GM is still an American company and my truck is still considered and American vehicle. Toyota has an assembly plant in Evansville Indiana. They're not an American car.

But on a different subject, when are you going to post a pic of your "ride" Pro400exc? We all want to see the 9" PIAAs you listed in your sig.

[Guy400]

Is Saturn still made with 100% American products? Anyway...

I don't think the Supra is classified into the Ricer category unless the stickers and wings and stripes are put on it like most every other Civic driven by 16 year olds. The Supra can be a real contender. Personally, I think the NSX is overpriced and it underperforms. It does nothing the Vette can't already do except maybe get better gas mileage and even that is minimal. I'm going to spend that kind of money for sheer handling and virtually no motor? How many guys would spend $8000 on the 400EX with it in it's stock form? Not too many and that's what Acura is trying to sell you. A car that handles well but doesn't have the motor to match.

[Pro400EXC]

Hehe, As soon as I get a girl firend I will post a piuc of her. I don't know if she will show her PIAA's but I will get a pic of her.

Also Scott, isn't a Acura an American company? Cause thats what alot of people tell me.

I aslo only have a 85 S-10 with 2.8L EXT. Cab 2wd. My mom is getting the thing completly rebuilt (motor,calibers, and other stuff) also she is getting it painted. I am stuck between what to do. I am gonna put a System in it, but I don't know if I wanna lower it, or lift it 4inchs (2wd lift). I also wanna put headers,cam,rocker arms, and 4 barrel Holley on it (390cfm).

And my dad has a 91 Plymoth Acclaim 4-door with a 4 banger. It need a paint job, but i will do that, but what should I do with it? Sell it? Keep it as a Beater? What?

But I defintly wanna save up and get a Supra, or a 69 Camaro, or a Ford Superduty and Lift it 8 inches and slap 38's on it, or maybe ven a GMC Syclone.

Originally posted by Pro400EXC
What piss's me off is that my mom's Super Duty(Ford) has parts on it made from beaners (mexico).
Peace Out


Whats up with that comment??? Dude relax before I get my beaner foot stuck up your redneck *****!!!!! this is coming from a Mexican ....

Why you gotta make comments like that?? you taking this way out of what it is... Import VS Domestic... not nationality vs Nationality....

Gerry

[Pro400EXC]

Hey 250R_W_Huevos, I am so sry dude. I didn't mean to offend you. This is the truth, I actually didn't know that offended you. I here that word from my step-dad and all all the time, so i wasn't really thinking when I said it.

I am trufully Sry!

[Scott]

I'm not sure if the Saturn is still 100% US or not.

Acura is the luxury division of Honda. Just like Toyota has Lexus (I think?). The may be an "American" company according to some tax code that I'm not aware of, but as far as I know, they are both Japanese companies.

As for your 2.8L, sounds like mine (reg cab, 2wd, shortbed). Good luck finding muchin the aftermarket for a 2.8L Chevy. There's a lot out there for the 2.5 4cyl, but not as much for the 2.8. I'm not even sure if you can get headers. As for the 4bbl, good luck finding a 4bbl intake for that v6. Our engine is not the most popular for hopping up.

As for the other car, you could drive it while yours is down, and then sell it later. I'm not big into lowering trucks, but if you do, use the kit from Bel-tech or something equal to it. Don't cut the springs to lower it. My younger brother did that to an 86 S-10 and made it a convertible. It LOOKED really cool, but it was a B!tch to drive. You'll regret it if you do.'

Good luck.

Acura is owned by Honda which is based in Japan i believe. Hey what about Land Rover? owned by ford but it`s not american. Did anyone ever look on a 96-02 cobra motor? It has a tag from the Romeo plant where it was built along with the person who built it. I have 2 DOHC motors sittin in teh shop built by Juan Hermanez.

the only imports i hate are the ones with only a pipe and a body kit and a teeneager who thinks it will out run a viper or a vette. i have met these people and i just laugh at them and their cars. i am getting a 1998 trans am when i am 17 [i am having a slower car when i turn 16 , so i can learn more and less chance of dying] and yes i bought the entire thing , but i will have to give some respect to the guys who have the civics that run 9s or 10s heck even 11s around here is good. i am helping my friend modify his civic right now [ i am a motor head and he isnt so he needs my suggestions on the parts to buy] and i wont let it just be another slow, stupid , annoying sounding ricer. it will be a stupid looking , annoying sounding , fast civic. today this kid said his cavalier [all stock , except for a rollhard sticker acroos the windshield said he could take my brothers new cobra ,these are the people i dislike not the ones who acknowledge the fact that their car is not fast as a cobra. whoever said their eclipse or something copuld beat a mustang , i respect you if you are talking about the 5.0 or the 4.6 and not the 3.8

ACURA is found onlly in the NORTH AMERICA. It's that way because snobby americans will NEVER buy an 80 k$ HONDA....

Just that simple. Acura is just a honda with make up on. Makes it look classy....

In Japan they have the Honda Integra instead of Acura integra.....

[Evan]

Wouldnt it be cool if they came out with a Acura 400EX
You could have heated seats, cd player, hand warmers. You wouldnt want to take it out and jump it though, you could just cruise around. Maybe it could even have cruise control. I cant wait for the day quads are made street legal like streetbikes. I will have one just for the street, something like a turbo400EX or a turbo Banshee, might even surprise some unsuspecting crotch rockets, wheeling from stoplight to stoplight, man that would be awesome.

Originally posted by X-Rider
Wouldnt it be cool if they came out with a Acura 400EX
You could have heated seats, cd player, hand warmers. You wouldnt want to take it out and jump it though, you could just cruise around. Maybe it could even have cruise control. I cant wait for the day quads are made street legal like streetbikes. I will have one just for the street, something like a turbo400EX or a turbo Banshee, might even surprise some unsuspecting crotch rockets, wheeling from stoplight to stoplight, man that would be awesome.

*grims with delight*


Hmmm does anyone have the turbo from the old turbo Kawasaki 1100 street bikes lying around? LOL i don`t think it would work because single cylinder exhaust pressure is not great enough to spin the turbine to produce boost. But it would be awesome if it worked somehow.


Anyone got a small turbo lying around?

[Pro400EXC]

OK,you want a Turbo 400ex, well here's a HKS Turbo 400ex. Its stock bore, and cyl, and dyno's at 49hp to the rear.

[Scott]

Slowride: Ford and GM have bought part or all of about 20 or 22 different nameplates. A couple of Fords more notable ones are Bently, Jaguar, and Aston Martin. Gm bought into Fiat and buy diong that got 30% of a BUNCH of names. Some that will surprise you, like Ferarri. Ford seems to buy the company completely while GM just buys 30% of a lot of companies.

BMW now owns the name to Rolls Royce, but VW owns the plant and machinery. That worked out because VW undercut BMW and bought the plant, so BMW bought Rolls Royce Engines, which gave them the name. So VW bought the rights to Bugatti, and will use that name (the W18 supercar they're coming out with).

Welcome to the world of corporate mergers and buyouts...

[Guy400]

Originally posted by Scott
So VW bought the rights to Bugatti, and will use that name (the W18 supercar they're coming out with).And VW bought Audi, who owns Lamborghini...

"And when the music stops, the last one standing is out!"

Originally posted by Pro400EXC
Hey 250R_W_Huevos, I am so sry dude. I didn't mean to offend you. This is the truth, I actually didn't know that offended you. I here that word from my step-dad and all all the time, so i wasn't really thinking when I said it.

I am trufully Sry!

Right on bro... No problem...

ORIGINALLY POSTED BY SOMEONE
make a 13 or 14 second 4-cylinder




i have a blue 2002 subaru wrx. it does the quarter mile in 13.6 bone stock.i plan on putting cold air intake, exhaust, and maybe rims.

[JustRace]

I'm not doubting you but I have only heard of wrx's only going mid to low 14's at tops. If i am wrong correct me. Do you have any time slips?:confused:

[Guy400]

Originally posted by JustRace
I'm not doubting you but I have only heard of wrx's only going mid to low 14's at tops. If i am wrong correct me. Do you have any time slips?:confused: I'm with you on this one. I've never heard of anyone taking a bone stock WRX running stock boost levels and hitting 13.6's. No offense but if you are you've got North America's fastest stock WRX. Most all the rags are able to dig times up that average around 14.9 second 1/4's with 0-60 in roughly 6 seconds. I don't put much faith in them so I'll shave 1/2 a second off their times to make up for them babying the car, this still only gives them times of 14.4. That's about the average times for everyone that shares times on import boards. If you're truly running 13.6's on a 100% stock WRX you need to contact Subaru and have them put your car in a commercial or something.

[Pro400EXC]

A WRX is slower than a Syclone for 0-6mph times?

A belive a stock Syclone runs 4.9sec in 0-60 times.

Also why didn't they put manual gearbox's in the Syclones? I am thinking about getting one,cause there pretty cheap (about $12K) and I hear they can runs 10's with motor work. How reliable are they,and where can you get parts for them? Thanks

[JustRace]

Those things can really be built to fly. Look at the grand nationals those things can beat almost anything with a built motor. If you found one and can afford it I would get it because they are a really rare vehicle. It should hold its value if not increase. At a drag strip near my house I have seen a typhoon run a low 11 sec.

[Guy400]

I was looking into the Sy/Ty's a while ago and I believe the only thing that's wrong with them is that they're running cast pistons. As we all know, these aren't the best for blown/turbo applications. Other than that they are solid little trucks with a lot of potential.

12,000 sounds steep for a cyclone. i thought they were selling for 9000 like 4 years ago

who told you the wrx only runs mid 14's?

prior to going to the strip motorweek said the wrx does 140 at top speed does the quarter mile in 13.7 and does 0-60 in 5.6

even the commercial says it'll do 0-60 in 5.8

i have no reason to doubt a brand new 4 cylinder turbo with all wheel drive and 5-speed producing almost 230 horsepower can do around 13.7

[Scott]

According to car and driver, Subaru advertises the WRX as doing 0-60 in 6.1.

[4punksdad]

Originally posted by JustRace
I made it even faster now. I was able to lower the box part down so its right on top of the cab now, and now it looks like it has stacked spoilers. If its only running 9's i had better add a couple more striped to get it in the 8's

:o

[Pro400EXC]

OK guys,can you help me out. I already told ya'll I want a Supra,but a crotch rocket would be nice too. I was also thinking of getting a Syclone maybe (cause there cheasper, and got turbo).

Well, what do you guys think? The nice thing about a bike is you don't have to pay insurance (in FLA) and there cheap on gas and cheap period.

OK, now SYclone is nice to, but how much would it take to make it smoke a supercharged stang? or Camaro?

I know for $1500 a Supra can make 460rwhp, and with other bolt on stuff, I can get 475rwhp,now would that be enough to smoke any Stangs,Vette;s or Camaros?

I already know a Crotch Rocket will smoke a Vette and Vipre outta the Box.

And defintly need to know Which will get the most WOMEN?

[Guy400]

How much to get a Syclone to beat a Stang or Camaro? About $500. Buy a downpipe, cat-back and a $2 bleeder valve and you're there. Now, you won't be making 460 RWHP and most likely the Stang and Camaro will still beat you on top end but unless you drive the FL highways at 160mph I'd worry more about quickness than speed. AWD makes up for a lot of HP in the stoplight to stoplight races. A bonus with the Syclone is that because of the auto tranny you can powerbrake the truck and build a small amount of boost up (you don't want to sit there and launch on 15psi of boost) and launch. Very few things could get the jump on you if you launched a Syclone at 5psi of boost with the mods I listed above. Remember, you could be next to a guy with 450hp but I can guarantee you he can't put it all to the ground from a dead stop, that's where the AWD comes in. You can be putting all your 300+hp to the pavement with barely a screech. I could launch my AWD TSi and all I'd hear is some pee-gravel giving way under the front tires. It never squealed and chirped. Mind you, I was dumping the clutch at 5000RPM! Pro, if you want I can email you 2 vids. One is of a TSi demoralizing a LS1 Pontiac off the start and the other is a Syclone beating up on a Supra.

Ill show you a import that will kick the $hit outta anything out there right now inculdeing my trans am...........and 660rguy ill get out there one of these days and snap a picture of my engine for you.Its just colder than a witches tit out there lately.

I love my american made cars but i have seen these cars tear them up

[LEE314EX]

All u domestic lovers are forgetting about my two imported friends ferrairi and porshe

[JustRace]

Those cars are not what we are comparing, but they don't hold anything to a hennesey(sp) TT Viper or a Lingenfelter(sp) TT Vette.

[Pro400EXC]

Those cars are not what we are comparing, but they don't hold anything to a hennesey(sp) TT Viper or a Lingenfelter(sp) TT Vette.

No but a Supra with about 6k in the motor will run with the TT Viper and also blow by it.

I have a Video clip of a Lexus SC300 with a Supra motor,smoke a Viper Venom 500, and then I have another clip of that same Lexus being smoked by a Trick Supra!

[LEE314EX]

they are imported are they not?
an import is an import

[JustRace]

Yes they are imported but we were talking about rice. Do you think those two cars are rice? Both the ferrairi and the porche are cool cars.

[Evan]

Ummm not to be nit picky or anything but the thread does say IMPORTS vs domestic not RICE vs domestic. I think rice can be domestic also, I have seen Focuses riced out.

Originally posted by Pro400EXC


No but a Supra with about 6k in the motor will run with the TT Viper and also blow by it.

I have a Video clip of a Lexus SC300 with a Supra motor,smoke a Viper Venom 500, and then I have another clip of that same Lexus being smoked by a Trick Supra!

the sc300 has the N/A version of the supra motor in it which is standard. That guy built that motor and did a TT set-up. He later said that it would be alot quicker in single turbo but because the sc300 weighs like 600 pounds less than the hoagie of a car the supra that is why it looks so fast. The sc has a .6 tenth advantage if all is equal right off the bat.


Back to your first statement. The supa motor is bulletproof. A built supra motor made to run with the TT viper is going to run you alot more than 6 k. We have done a basic supra rebuild and we found that supra parts are expensive as ****. Where you could build a healthy 600+ small block ( carb to pan dropped in) chevy you would only be able to afford the supra built shortblock.

IMHO i would take the supra motor and stuff it in a corolla or old time tercel. Talk about a rape date!

how would a wrx sti with 5k in the motor stack up against a supra with around 5k in the motor???

Originally posted by wrx139
how would a wrx sti with 5k in the motor stack up against a supra with around 5k in the motor???

It all depends, if the supra is on slicks or sticky drag radials your screwed. If it is street tires vs street tires and the supra hooks up you will lose. However i have seen 13 second cars beat 11 second cars on teh street. It`s all about traction. At the track forget it the supra will rape the WRX all day. AWD is great but it is expensive as **** to fix , replace and build.

all these posts about people hating imports are getting sooo tiring. Dude cmon. a V8 may produce more hp but it's a v8. like a 5.7 versus a 1.6 or a 2.0. for what these little motors are doin it is amazing and they will run for 300,000 with very little maintenance. I wish people could except that, a lot of import owners annoy me with the wings on a stock car but it's the same as some hick suping up his rusted *** camaro. I hate seeing these threads all the time. I just got rid of my civic, probably one of the cleanest civic in my city. I suprised the **** outta a lot of domestic owners. the only benefit I see that a domestic has over an import is cost. cheap to buy cheap to build. I just don't get why people can't respect both cars, I like imports more but at our races there is also some bads domestics. like a shelby cobra that pulls the front off the ground from a rollin starts. and I also wathced it damn near get beat by an integra

[Guy400]

Originally posted by serialthrlla
I hate seeing these threads all the time.Than why'd you dredge up a thread from February?

[ryewith]

Originally posted by Guy432
US: Polising tail-light lenses to bring out the red color
THEM: Installing clear tailights to bait cops

lmao! so true. I never understand it.

[RideRed04]

yeah, but it sure was fun to read again! Gotta love car-craft! Easily one of my favorite car mags. Much less stuck up then C&D if you ask me.

[Castor-426ex]

i have a 70ft super wing on my s10

[250rampage]

I have 2 performance cars on both sides of the argument (a built 69 Dodge Coronet R/T, 73 Dodge Challenger fully built for domestics, and. I have a Chrysler Conquest (made 100% by mitsubishi), and a 95 Acura Legend ls coupe for the import side) and here's my view on the subject (which I probably expressed a few months ago in this same thread). I like both imports and domestics, but I see no point in modifiying an economy car to be sporty. Sure they CAN be made fast, but why not start with a better base, such as an RX-7, or even a Mazda Protoge 323 if you are set on an economy car? Everytime I ask somebody who has a "modified" civic why they chose to use a civic as there base, they say "to be different". The thing is though, it's too the point where I see more civic's with a muffler, bodykit, and wing then stock ones. I feel the same way about people who modify 6cyl mustangs and camaro's. Personally though, my favorite imports are the late 80's turbo cars, such as the starion, 300zx, rx-7, and supra.

Here's a pic of my most recent import purchase.

[4punksdad]

Originally posted by 250rampage
I have 2 performance cars on both sides of the argument (a built 69 Dodge Coronet R/T, 73 Dodge Challenger fully built for domestics, and. I have a Chrysler Conquest (made 100% by mitsubishi), and a 95 Acura Legend ls coupe for the import side) and here's my view on the subject (which I probably expressed a few months ago in this same thread). I like both imports and domestics, but I see no point in modifiying an economy car to be sporty. Sure they CAN be made fast, but why not start with a better base, such as an RX-7, or even a Mazda Protoge 323 if you are set on an economy car? Everytime I ask somebody who has a "modified" civic why they chose to use a civic as there base, they say "to be different". The thing is though, it's too the point where I see more civic's with a muffler, bodykit, and wing then stock ones. I feel the same way about people who modify 6cyl mustangs and camaro's. Personally though, my favorite imports are the late 80's turbo cars, such as the starion, 300zx, rx-7, and supra.

Here's a pic of my most recent import purchase.

Now this guy is making sense..........good looking TSI

[DEAL]

I think this thread needs a bump .. I'm getting tired of seeing civics everywhere I go.

[Adam202]

im getting tired of seeing queers that Care so much about what everybody else drives.

[DEAL]

Its not a point of caring , its the point of being annoyed by people who act like king of the road when all they drive is some 4 banger with 80hp.

[MOFO]

thats the biggest annoyance to me... their riceboy attitude. They think they are badass and think they can drive like a professional.

[250rampage]

Whoa....haven't been to this site in a LONG time, but seeing as how I just got a reply notification for way back, I might as well give any update on my TSi...that post was made ~a week or so after I bought it. Since then, I have done quite a few upgrades.


Forged 8.4:1 pistons
New rod/crank bearings
Mild Head Porting
Valve Job
Mech. Rocker Swap
Exhaust Manifold Ported
Minor Turbo Upgrade (TD05H-14g)
ACT HD Street Clutch
2.5in Catless Exhaust from the Turbo Back
Dynomax UF Race series muffler
K&N Filter
Boost Controller Set anywhere from 10psi to 16.5psi, depending on my mood.
Apex'i S-AFC
All new Vac. Lines/General Tune up stuff]
Autometer Boost and Air-Fuel Gauges
Some other minor stuff


It's come a long way in a little over a year:
http://www.tristarion.com/gallery/albums/userpics/exrid.jpg

[Adam202]

Originally posted by MOFO
thats the biggest annoyance to me... their riceboy attitude. They think they are badass and think they can drive like a professional.
well thats regular stupid kids for ya

[MOFO]

Originally posted by Adam202
well thats regular stupid kids for ya


I guess its a coincidence that all of the punks I see are driving cars with 8ft wings, cut springs, and large fart cannons...and most, if not all have the attitude I described above. :rolleyes:

[DEAL]

Originally posted by MOFO
I guess its a coincidence that all of the punks I see are driving cars with 8ft wings, cut springs, and large fart cannons...and most, if not all have the attitude I described above. :rolleyes:

The funny thing is those wings probably make them considerably slower than they already are.

[Adam202]

its mostly the image they see, and they try to perpetrate it [with very little money] and what it comes out too is totally rediculous.