NEW TRX 450R is coming!!!!! **Post all 450R information here**

[jdt]

The long awaited R is back. Sell your yfzs. Just recieved the honda dealer bulletin 03-0386.

QUOTE
The incredible TRX450R is powered by an all new, purpose builet, race ready atv engine based on the award winning CRF450R motocrosser. At the time of announcement, details will also be available on special HRC closed circuit performance parts.

The new era of domination begins after Sept. 10.

[Ex King]

COOL and i hope its not a rumor

[ghost_ryder]

if this is true...bye bye Z

[RiPPiNiTuP7]

if its true...o well i will keep my quad :macho

The chassis is what I want to know about.....:ermm:


Is it aluminum or not:confused:

[CHAUNCY]

This should be sweet if its really true. I am keepin' the 400 though:blah:

[trout]

I bet it is comming, and I bet its good, but I would take a yz450 motor over a CRF450 motor anyday. So unless the frame is soooooooo much better than the yammi's, then whoopty doo, the YFZ is allready better by far.

JMO.
trout

[jmoney45]

I hope that if it comes it is based off the crf450, so even if it's detuned it will be easy to uncork like the yfz. And an aluminum frame would be icing on the cake.

[CowsBitePeople]

woo hoo how much u think its gunna go for??

the same as yamahas MSRP on the yzf450

[MOFO]

Originally posted by Crazy400exMan
the same as yamahas MSRP on the yzf450


nope, I doubt it. Honda has always seemed to be a bit cheaper than Yamaha's...

oh...:confused2

[jdt]

We haven't recieved any details, this is just a sales bulletin that all honda dealers will recieve probably today.

honda dealer

[Knight440]

http://www.dhy.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=22



:uhoh:

[kabd69667]

damn...$7000 - $8000. I wasn't expecting that much.

[YamaWarr0121]

man this is terrible i am going to drive to depfort honda right now and yell at them for not telling me earlIER!!:grr:

[cheetah]

If someone is BSing, they will have hell to pay.:mad:

If it's true, SWEET!:eek:

[GNCC#829]

I read the same press release at my dealer a few minutes ago!! I'm excited!

Originally posted by RiPPiNiTuP7
if its true...o well i will keep my quad :macho

im tring to trad emine for a brand new cannondale cannibal right now b/c this guy is sceered of it.

It looks ta be legit across the web.


woo hooo


Anybody wanna buy a nice red and black 416ex?????:uhoh:

[Ben]

Originally posted by Rico
It looks ta be legit across the web.


woo hooo


Anybody wanna buy a nice red and black 416ex?????:uhoh:

:eek: Whenever it actually hits the showroom I'll trade the 300ex in on it and let the old lady ride the V-Force :blah:

[BornOnFire]

What would be the difference between a 450R and a 450 EX? I mean, why the "R"??

2-stroke? LOL That'd be bad *****!!!!

[Fuchs42]

r = race :D

[MXcutie]

yeah it's true... its up on ********.com they also have a pic of it

[kentuckycat]

http://********.com/this-just-in/honda-confirms-trx-450r03.htm

[TheRedRebel17]

Originally posted by Fuchs42
r = race :D

your mistaken..
R=ricer:devil:

[flyin#5]

that would be sweet! first "real" news yet.... cant wait to see it!

that picture is terrible...the floorboards look like the yzf's & the fenders look like the ds650
.

[kabd69667]

I wonder how much it'll be detuned...:confused:

[batgeek]

wtf is up with all these ugly freakin plastics??

Predator, YFZ, Artic Cat, now this.....

pray to the gods of Fullbore that 400ex or 250r plastics fit on that thing.

[quadnice]

It's about friggin time!!!
Now, to just hustle up a few G's, sell a quad, & have one in the stable! LOOK OUT Yamahahahaha!!! Honda is BACK with a vengence!!!

[Bretmd94]

:eek: bout time

[250x#93]

Cool **** man:D

[Striker49]

Bout damn time we got some real news. Just hope that front plastic will trade out...im not too crazy bout that sketch...:scary:

[Narly R]

WOW! ive herd that honda is defently comming out with one before, now if i could just remember where...:rolleyes:




Hope it happends
:ermm:

[KrazyKid300ex]

can't wait to see how it goes up against the yfz

[Glow Plug]

:D just great yet another quad i can't afford

[cheetah]

Ben steps down and Honda steps up.:D

[Bretmd94]

I was really planning on buying one. but at that price?? ***k...Maybe I will jsut stay with the 400ex till some one gets bored of theirs and i can buy it used. :(

cant wait to see it beat the ***** out of the new yfz... hahahahhahahahahhahaha:D :devil: bout time honda gets everyone to stop makin fun of their quads...:eek: as in yamaha riders.

[PHIL_B54]

dont mid me, im just testing posting pics :D
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p9f299043b0a97998fb0666d1f14a74d6/fb7b8269.jpg
and this one
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/pb970e92e7917be480d0a940ba17deecd/fb7b7e4a.jpg
and this one
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p3289f21aa21f356ea0afb9acc8f3fe86/fb7b8263.jpg

[JOEX]

The press release isn't on the Honda site yet :confused:
http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/the_story/press/
http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/atvs/

Joe

the pics work now?

[JOEX]

Originally posted by Crazy400exMan
the pics work now?
Pay attention;)
http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68592

Joe

[danyeo]

WOW, it looks like it's more than just a rumor this time, unlike that April Fools joke on the cover of Dirt Wheels with the 750 turbo EX. It's a good time for high performance, but i am still holding onto the Dale.

[NTPRacing#19]

ladies and gents. another 20 years of domination!!!

[dirtmomma]

Whoot Whoot!!! Well I may have to think about selling the utility quad & taking over the hubby's 400(but thats ok cuz he's got a 460 kit he's getting ready to put in) so he can have the 450!! He'll be happy to hear this news:) Can't wait & hope it's not a hoax!!!

[Chef]

Looks like a different colored YFZ with a hood to me.:ermm:

[Rip_Tear]

The R stands for Raping! (because it will be raping all others! lol) Don't worry about the plastics, they will most likely be Honda style, they know better then making this crazy pointy plasitc! :D

[Black400]

Originally posted by batgeek
wtf is up with all these ugly freakin plastics??

Predator, YFZ, Artic Cat, now this.....

pray to the gods of Fullbore that 400ex or 250r plastics fit on that thing.

NOOOOOO SH#T man. Like the are tring to make it look like the future or something:confused2

[trueblue450]

PYSCH.....

haha.. HONDA ACTUALLY STEPPING UP AM I IN A DREAM... PINCH ME..

got,.. 2 too many strokes :macho

[G Rincon]

Cant wait to see one upclose, they had to throw the "R" in, seems everything honda makes starts with a R these days.
Recon, Rancher, Rubicon, Rincon, and 450r.:D

If you look at the picture closely it doesn't look like an aluminum twin spar frame!

[James70214]

I hope that pic is not really of it because the only thing it has going for it is the 450 motor. Looks like 400ex shocks and no aluminum frame.

[tants]

Originally posted by "2-R's Rider"
got,.. 2 too many strokes :macho

[250x#93]

Originally posted by PHIL_B54
dont mid me, im just testing posting pics :D
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p9f299043b0a97998fb0666d1f14a74d6/fb7b8269.jpg
and this one
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/pb970e92e7917be480d0a940ba17deecd/fb7b7e4a.jpg
and this one
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p3289f21aa21f356ea0afb9acc8f3fe86/fb7b8263.jpg

That 400 is cool, some reason it really sticks out, doens't look to modded up but it just strikes me as cool:devil:

[noreaster79]

Is the 7 to 8 grand price tag a rumor or there truth behind it?

[PHIL_B54]

thank you

pappy pc'd my side cases, heat sheild, front motor mounts black, and the diamond tread air box really makes it stand out

[hondafox440]

That or the low light, and the fact that its wet.

Wee!! But they should have used the CR250 motor.. :ermm:

they prob have a base model thats sells for 5500 then you get a worked one for 7000 that would be smart to do, eliminate the 400ex and sell the base one as that and the worked one for more

[rowlrag]

Originally posted by Rico
It looks ta be legit across the web.


woo hooo


Anybody wanna buy a nice red and black 416ex?????:uhoh:
416's all you can handle BOY!!!!!!!:macho

[Striker49]

I want specs! :cuss: :blah:

[Quad18star]

Interesting to see . Looks like Honda is trying to take peoples minds off the YFZ and make them hold off a couple more months to see what they have to offer. Good strategy on their part . Let's see the specs now . Better be aluminum frame and have shocks better than what the sketch shows . These companies whould all release their bikes on the same date, at the same , so then I can make a decision . All this waiting is gunna bring me to go crazy and force me to ride it in the snow :macho Yea that's right , it's ALMOST september and the snow is just around the corner . YUCK!!!!!!!!:mad:

[rowlrag]

Seems to me Honda is always last to come out with something, like the CRF, awesome bike but the motor won't hold up like the YZF, hope the quad F motor is alot more durable, than the bike motor.

[Castor-426ex]

i hope this is true


if they fall through this time im gettin the yami:(

[86350x]

Hopefully they'll stick to the more old school 250r style plastics, or more rounded like a 400ex, I don't care for many of these newer plastic designs.

The new 450's are cool, but I'd also like to see an xr 650 motored quad. That motor uncorked is way better then a raptor motor, and having a good liquid cooled woods slead with reverse would be great.:ermm:

[Dave400ex]

I honestly don't think that is a real picture of it. I bet they just had somebody draw that up. They won't give it away before the meeting. If it's for real I have got to have one for sure.

[JD400exrider]

Originally posted by 86350x
Hopefully they'll stick to the more old school 250r style plastics, or more rounded like a 400ex, I don't care for many of these newer plastic designs.

The new 450's are cool, but I'd also like to see an xr 650 motored quad. That motor uncorked is way better then a raptor motor, and having a good liquid cooled woods slead with reverse would be great.:ermm:

I agree. I would think that that is something honda is thinking about. May take a while to get into production knowing honda. I will wait and see.

[sparky450AR]

Originally posted by JD400exrider
I agree. I would think that that is something honda is thinking about. May take a while to get into production knowing honda. I will wait and see.

im sure its already in production:)

[popo]

Originally posted by batgeek
wtf is up with all these ugly freakin plastics??

Predator, YFZ, Artic Cat, now this.....

pray to the gods of Fullbore that 400ex or 250r plastics fit on that thing.


You stole my line.. you SOB:mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: #@#@@#%

[sparky450AR]

Originally posted by freeride132
they prob have a base model thats sells for 5500 then you get a worked one for 7000 that would be smart to do, eliminate the 400ex and sell the base one as that and the worked one for more

i never thought of that...that would be a good idea

[goin2shock]

look the honda motercycles site is down!
maybe they are updating it!
as of now its august 5th (for future referance)

http://www.hondamotorcycles.com/
oh I hope this is for real!

Originally posted by goin2shock
look the honda motercycles site is down!
maybe they are updating it!
as of now its august 5th (for future referance)

http://www.hondamotorcycles.com/
oh I hope this is for real! theres no way they would release any spec's on this bike...the only thing they are gonna release is what the guy said in the 1st post i thnk...:confused:

[RIDER11X]

Originally posted by PHIL_B54
dont mid me, im just testing posting pics :D
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p9f299043b0a97998fb0666d1f14a74d6/fb7b8269.jpg
and this one
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/pb970e92e7917be480d0a940ba17deecd/fb7b7e4a.jpg
and this one
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p3289f21aa21f356ea0afb9acc8f3fe86/fb7b8263.jpg

What bumper is that? Nice quad by the way!

[RIDER11X]

Originally posted by freeride132
they prob have a base model thats sells for 5500 then you get a worked one for 7000 that would be smart to do, eliminate the 400ex and sell the base one as that and the worked one for more :huh :rolleyes: Eliminate the 400ex? That's really funny! LOL! Honda only sell tons of 400EX's and they will continue to sell as there is a huge market of trail riders/ weekend warriors that don't want to shell out $2-3000 more for a full race machine. The 400EX will remain what it always was, an XR type quad that was modded to race mx and such until a full race model came available. Honda still sells tons of XR 400's even after releasing the CRF450r. I am glad to see this release, but I am still not planning to get rid of my 400ex as it suits my needs perfectly.:cool:

[Rrider4life8]

that plastic in that pic with the light looks like Chit Chit Chit

[Pappy]

im still tryin to figure out....why lights on a race quad:ermm:

[sickmojave]

Originally posted by Pappy
im still tryin to figure out....why lights on a race quad:ermm:

ever heard of night races ;) j/k

[KrazyKid300ex]

that sketch can't be what is looks like. the rear fender is exactly what mine looks like. the shocks look like they are of a 400ex.
400ex tires too

[Pappy]

well i sure as heck hope not....it mafugly:ermm:

i see it a new race engine based off the crf....lets hope it has external oil capacity. if not the XC guys are screwed till a remedy is found.

id like one...but i may just sit back and wait:ermm:

[knighttime]

Originally posted by Pappy

id like one...but i may just sit back and wait:ermm:

say it aint so pappy:confused:

[trueblue450]

Hate to break it to you boys.. but thats more than likely arctic cats sketch of their new DVX 400..
look at it and look at this pic..
http://www.arcticcat.com/atvs/lineups/2004/images/enlargements/A2004DVI2AUSR.jpg
http://********.com/images/trx450rdrawing03sm.jpg

POOR BOYS.. time to switch to yamahahaha. :blah:

[sickmojave]

damn thats a close match:huh

[Pappy]

Originally posted by knighttime
say it aint so pappy:confused:

if i wanted a crf i can build one and it would be race ready for slightly more then what the new one will cost. i know everyone else cant...but i can:ermm: im interested in seeing what this new engine is more then the rest of the quad. if its capable of being used for more them MX then possibly ill snag one.

i have just set my mind on the fact that im not gonna let myself get suckered into the new yamaha or honda.....or maybe kawi of they jump in on this deal. cannondale would be the quad to have over both IMO......but we kinda know what the deal is there:scary:

honda will sell these things faster then dealers can stock them im certain.

[snowpro_02]

Hey guys he is right. He was showing me a picture of the Supposedly new Honda in our CADT class and I was like look at it closer and compare it to the picture of the DVX they look the same. Sorry boys the picture is a pre-sketch of the Arctic Cat DVX.

[sickmojave]

Originally posted by Pappy
lets hope it has external oil capacity. if not the XC guys are screwed till a remedy is found.

could you explain a little more on this? I don't understand,is it a cooling problem?:confused:

[Bretmd94]

Originally posted by snowpro_02
Hey guys he is right. He was showing me a picture of the Supposedly new Honda in our CADT class and I was like look at it closer and compare it to the picture of the DVX they look the same. Sorry boys the picture is a pre-sketch of the Arctic Cat DVX.


are you serious??? Look at the frames, they are nothing alike. The only thing that makes them look the same is the fenders which look just like the yzf fenders also. The headlights are somewhat differrent, there is a black band in the plastic like the 400ex near the seat. Its not the dumb Artic Cat. :ermm:

[trueblue450]

its just a sketch...

theres many different changes from a concept drawing to a finished product..

im just saying look at the heel guards, the handlebars and handle bar plastics.. look at the plastics, the lights are very similar. The shocks on the drawing look like no rezzies.. bumpers are quite similar.. seats are similar.. color has no matter in the concept drawing.

but whatever.. i dont doubt honda isnt coming out witha quad but i bet that isnt a pic of it.!

[Pappy]

from what ive been told the crf engine in the bikes wont be a good candidate for xc. i dont know this to be fact but as the yammy boys have done with thier conversions adding the tanks is damn near a must.

maybe someone can shed some more light on this issue..although i can imagine honda releasing this quad without making it bomb proof

[cody anderson]

YFZ450 = better than TRX450R just kidding, They will both be very hard to beat!

[snowpro_02]

You guys just can't face the facts. How can you say the frames aren't the same, yea they are. So is the plastic, just because its black in the middle its not the same?? Gotta face it guys. And yes the Headlights are the same, a one piece V shape. Like we were saying before its one of Arctic Cats Pre-Sketches of the DVX.

[Bretmd94]

Originally posted by snowpro_02
You guys just can't face the facts. How can you say the frames aren't the same, yea they are. So is the plastic, just because its black in the middle its not the same?? Gotta face it guys. And yes the Headlights are the same, a one piece V shape. Like we were saying before its one of Arctic Cats Pre-Sketches of the DVX.

Odviously you are a professional on this subject so you must be right. That bump out in the front of the frame in the drawn pic totally looks like the DVX. And the built in radiator shrouds too.

It doesnt even matter if that drawn pic is it. I hope it isnt. I dont like it. I would rather it have a different look to it. Instead of looking like a smaller bomb bike.

But..... there is one coming for sure now. And if it handles like the 400ex and has the power of the crf450 I really couldnt care less what it looks like. Plastic can be changed. :macho

[cody anderson]

this is not BS it is for real I talked to ATVSPORT about it yesterday.

[Dave400ex]

Pappy I hope your wrong because if it turns out to be really good I will want one to race local XC. I can't believe they would release it and it not be able to also be used everywhere for the average consumer. The Quadshop was going to race their 450 in GNCC. Anybody have anymore info on this?

[Pappy]

like i said...honda = bulletproof:devil:

[user101]

Originally posted by Dave400ex
The Quadshop was going to race their 450 in GNCC. Anybody have anymore info on this?

Jeff rode a cannondale and changed his mind.:macho

[Dave400ex]

Yeah I know but the point is, he was going to race the 450 until then.

[jja125]

there is just one little sentence about it on some webpage for a honda dealer in austrailia too (in case it wasn't already posted here somewhere)


http://www.hondashop.com.au/newsletter/jan_newsletter.htm?Honda=ff90c8705730b73af44d065a5 298c76f

[jja125]

nevermind i guess that link was old - from like january 2003

[300exOH]

Originally posted by Pappy
like i said...honda = bulletproof:devil:

AMEN!!! Man I can't wait to see this thing. Look out Yamaha there's a new sherif in town.

[Str8Wicked]

Originally posted by 86350x
Hopefully they'll stick to the more old school 250r style plastics, or more rounded like a 400ex, I don't care for many of these newer plastic designs.

The new 450's are cool, but I'd also like to see an xr 650 motored quad. That motor uncorked is way better then a raptor motor, and having a good liquid cooled woods slead with reverse would be great.:ermm:

XR 650 motor, ok first it will be much heavier than the YFZ 450 or CR450 motors. And about being faster than a raptor. The YFZ450 is already faster except for on the top end, but un plug the pipe, re jet and take the lid off and it is definitly already faster than a raptor.....

[RIDER11X]

So, how many of you with highly modded ex's actually sell them to go buy the new 450? :ermm:

Originally posted by RIDER11X
So, how many of you with highly modded ex's actually sell them to go buy the new 450? :ermm:


I'm hoping some of the parts are interchangeable....:D It would be nice if lots of 400ex parts could be put on the new one..

That right there will make up the minds of alot of riders.. at least it will for me..:devil:

[Bretmd94]

Im most likely going to get one. I might even try to get the first one in So. Oregon.
My dad threw down for the first 350x in 85, its like tradition.... well maybe not. :ermm: thats my excuse to spend school money anyways.

[Str8Wicked]

My 400 is almost back to stock form and ready to be traded in for a YFZ450 but I may hold back if better evidence and specs are released on a new Honda.... If not I gotta switch to a Yami......

[nismo]

Originally posted by 300EX_Man
Hate to break it to you boys.. but thats more than likely arctic cats sketch of their new DVX 400..
look at it and look at this pic..
http://www.arcticcat.com/atvs/lineups/2004/images/enlargements/A2004DVI2AUSR.jpg
http://********.com/images/trx450rdrawing03sm.jpg

POOR BOYS.. time to switch to yamahahaha. :blah:
look at the frames they dont look alike different shapes and curves/bends. i dont think it is the same quad similar but not the same

[jlhughes750]

we gotta find some pics soon!!!!! more details more details more details!!!!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

[trueblue450]

Originally posted by Str8Wicked
My 400 is almost back to stock form and ready to be traded in for a YFZ450 but I may hold back if better evidence and specs are released on a new Honda.... If not I gotta switch to a Yami......

I know.. this is a pivitol moment.. im pretty sure i got my 300 sold. i was without a doubt gonna buy the yami. but now i might wanna wait for honda. the only thing is it wont come out till next year summer at the earliest.. thats a lot of time to mod and ride the yami, but i think it will be pretty hard to top yamis quad, but if anyone would or could do it.. it would be honda.. ..

descisions descisions..:confused:

[kwatts400]

Maybe I'll sell my 400ex and then trade in the cbr (I haven't ridden it all summer anyway) for the new r. Then I'll have a new r and an old r.

[knighttime]

Originally posted by 300EX_Man
I know.. this is a pivitol moment.. im pretty sure i got my 300 sold. i was without a doubt gonna buy the yami. but now i might wanna wait for honda. the only thing is it wont come out till next year summer at the earliest.. thats a lot of time to mod and ride the yami, but i think it will be pretty hard to top yamis quad, but if anyone would or could do it.. it would be honda.. ..

descisions descisions..:confused:

aren't u the same guy who wanted to bet me HONDA wasnt comin out with a new quad?:confused: :confused:

Originally posted by 300EX_Man
I know.. this is a pivitol moment.. im pretty sure i got my 300 sold. i was without a doubt gonna buy the yami. but now i might wanna wait for honda. the only thing is it wont come out till next year summer at the earliest.. thats a lot of time to mod and ride the yami, but i think it will be pretty hard to top yamis quad, but if anyone would or could do it.. it would be honda.. ..

descisions descisions..:confused:

I bet you'll be able to buy it before the years over....:blah:

[Bretmd94]

I would bet that we will be able to buy it by the end of sept. We had yfz450's here 2 weeks after we found out about them. I would doubt theres going to be much wait.

[tyson300ex]

is it just me or does anybody else see orange rezzies on the honda:ermm:

[forum]

i was talking about this machine months ago but no one believed me. Im hopeing its got an aluminium frame. if so. Im gonna start doing everything i can to afford one for next years race season. I already have a deal lined up with a local dealer for a dual sponsership (me and Fleshwound)

[Pahrump]

Maybe its just me but I would love to see reverse like on the z400 or kfx400 or raptor.

I don't really see reverse holding it back from being a race quad but it would probably help sell it to a few folks that want revese

LIKE ME!!!!

[TC17]

the reason they don't have reverse on the KFZ, Z, EX, new TRX, and the raptor is for 2 reasons. #1, they have to redesign some of the tranny to fit in more gears and that would take more jobs, people, money, and time. #2, it may on be a few pounds but they want to make the new TRX "race ready" so even if they can save a few pounds, they'll do it. i've heard of people getting super light weight bolts to save a pound. on the 250R, it was a kickstart so it probably saved 3 pounds plus the starter by making it a kickstart, plus the gears inside. so anything 400 and over in the future most likely won't have reverse unless its just a sport sorta like the 400ex.

i'm also hoping the new TRX doesn't have a light. then they would save a few pounds since it wouldn't need a battery. then it would need to be a kickstart. that might be hard. they'd have to put one hell of a decompression lever on it though. it would look better without lights too.

[Pahrump]

Originally posted by TC17
the reason they don't have reverse on the KFZ, Z, EX, new TRX, and the raptor is for 2 reasons. #1, they have to redesign some of the tranny to fit in more gears and that would take more jobs, people, money, and time. #2, it may on be a few pounds but they want to make the new TRX "race ready" so even if they can save a few pounds, they'll do it. i've heard of people getting super light weight bolts to save a pound. on the 250R, it was a kickstart so it probably saved 3 pounds plus the starter by making it a kickstart, plus the gears inside. so anything 400 and over in the future most likely won't have reverse unless its just a sport sorta like the 400ex.

i'm also hoping the new TRX doesn't have a light. then they would save a few pounds since it wouldn't need a battery. then it would need to be a kickstart. that might be hard. they'd have to put one hell of a decompression lever on it though. it would look better without lights too.

Well the raptor does have reverse atleast mine does anyway and if I am right the z400 and kfx400 also have reverse the only "new" sport that does not is the yammy.

[Pappy]

1800 posts and he dont know the competition:eek2: oh boy....i think we should ground him:p

[sparky450AR]

Originally posted by 300EX_Man
I know.. this is a pivitol moment.. im pretty sure i got my 300 sold. i was without a doubt gonna buy the yami. but now i might wanna wait for honda. the only thing is it wont come out till next year summer at the earliest.. thats a lot of time to mod and ride the yami, but i think it will be pretty hard to top yamis quad, but if anyone would or could do it.. it would be honda.. ..

descisions descisions..:confused:

i heard its honda tradition that they release quads in the september dealer show and they are immediatley available after the show:)

thats how the 400ex was anyways

[kwatts400]

Back when the r, quadracer, tecate were around, I never heard anyone complain about them not having reverse. What would you need it on this quad for? It should probably only be about 350lbs. I haven't missed reverse since I got back into riding with my 400ex, and I don't think about it when I'm on my r either.

I don't ride much at night, but I sure do like the fact that my bikes have headlights on them. It's a pretty good thing to have just in case. They are powered by the stator anyway.

[NTPRacing#19]

real men dont need reverse, they just pick up the quad and turn it around if they get in a jam.

now a days we have a bunch of spoiled brats wanting things the easy way

Originally posted by NTPRacing#19
real men dont need reverse, they just pick up the quad and turn it around if they get in a jam.

now a days we have a bunch of spoiled brats wanting things the easy way i race MX and have no need for reverse...but what if i was racing cross country..and i hit a tree..i gotta pull my kill switch..get off my quad..push or pull it back(and that can sometimes be very hard to do when there is ruts involved) and then a z400 hits a tree on the other side of the trail AFTER i hit my tree..he puts it in reverse.backs up and takes off...and im still putting my kill switch back in....so reverse does come in handy...i dont miss it one bit but when i do ride trails and we gotta turn around...it sure would come in handy

[trueblue450]

you really think it will be available by the end of the year..

???

[TC17]

Originally posted by Pappy
1800 posts and he dont know the competition:eek2: oh boy....i think we should ground him:p

o dam, i'm really bad. jeez, i kept thinking the KFX and Z were racing quads cause that's all they can do :blah:. they put reverse on for convience i guess for trail riding or something. but new race quads shouldn't have it. o well. my bad:ermm:

[TheOneYouHate]

The new honda is goin to be part of my collection :)

[cheetah]

Originally posted by TheOneYouHate
The new honda is goin to be part of my collection :)

Wow nice collection.:eek2:

[AndrewRRR]

Notice that Honda comes out with this right after Yamaha releases the YFZ? Makes you wonder how long they've had it...

I am seriously thinking about getting a YFZ but I'll wait until September 10 and the first tests. If it's not better I'll switch to Yamaha. Honda really ticked me off with how long they made us wait. I hope it's as light and powerful as the Yammy. Honda ususally doesn't need any help in the handling department.

[cheetah]

Originally posted by 300EX_Man
you really think it will be available by the end of the year..

???

Without a doubt.

[crap-banshee32]

i cant wait

[RIDER11X]

Originally posted by AndrewRRR
Notice that Honda comes out with this right after Yamaha releases the YFZ? Makes you wonder how long they've had it...
.

It has been said that was there for a while, but they were waiting to sell off some of the 400ex supply first to make room. And wasn't Tim Farr the pro that got hurt testing a prototype a while back?:ermm:

i just got a call from senior Honda and he said it's all a big lie....:blah:

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Rico
i just got a call from senior Honda and he said it's all a big lie....:blah:

but the man at honda took my money:mad:

[CowsBitePeople]

Originally posted by Rico
i just got a call from senior Honda and he said it's all a big lie....:blah:

ur not serious :p

[400exrules]

someone shoudl sticky this but..........








the time has come, its here

[CowsBitePeople]

Originally posted by 400exrules
someone shoudl sticky this but..........








the time has come, its here

I dont think it needs to be sticky lol everyone keeps bumpin it up by replying

[jamiesel]

I have a yammie and I have a inner feeling like I'm in trouble. It is that feeling I get when I about to spend money I shouldn't....

[roostin_dale]

Dang..i would LOVE to buy the new honda..but i have so much money in the cannon and only being 14..i cant afford it:ermm:

I just saw the yfz for the first time about 2 weeks ago..

Originally posted by rowlrag
Seems to me Honda is always last to come out with something, like the CRF, awesome bike but the motor won't hold up like the YZF, hope the quad F motor is alot more durable, than the bike motor.


yzs have tranny issues, and wr have flywheel problems lets hope the yfz didnt inherit any of these problems, id take a crf over yz any day:ermm:

[Evan400ex]

I wish I would have waited. I bought and 03' 400ex earlier this year but hopefully I can talk my dad into helping me out to get the new 450!!!!!!!!!:D

[86atc250r]

Honda really ticked me off with how long they made us wait.

And Yamaha didn't? The release dates between the YFZ450 and TRX450R are only a couple months apart.

As for waiting - the YFZ is the first "real" competitive quad ever offered by Yamaha-- so who actually made us wait longer?

[phatswinn]

time to sell the 300ex for a down payment..:devil: :devil:

it looks allitle ugly but im sure i can make it as pretty as it will be fast

[Woody_YFZ]

Of course Honda is going to make a great quad. I highly doubt that it is going to be some new revolutionary thing. In the bike market the YZ450F and the CRF 450 are both comparable bikes and I'm sure we're going to see the same thing with the YFZ 450 and the new TRX450R. The picture that you see actually came across the fax with the info of the announcement to the Honda dealers, so I highly doubt that it is the Arctic Cat DVX, especially since they look nothing alike. The DVX is actually a Suzuki Z400 with Arctic Cat's plastic, even the front bumper and the tires and rims are the same. It would be nice to see an aluminum frame and fuel injection, but for some reason I doubt that's what's going to happen. I'm sure those like me who race occassionally and ride all over are going to be happy with the new 450R, but don't plan on it wasting everybody out of the box. I don't think that's realistic. I'm certainly glad to see competition. This is awesome. Don't think I'll be trading my YFZ in though, it's everything I need it to be and more.

[Woody_CRF]

Originally posted by trout
I bet it is comming, and I bet its good, but I would take a yz450 motor over a CRF450 motor anyday. So unless the frame is soooooooo much better than the yammi's, then whoopty doo, the YFZ is allready better by far.

JMO.
trout
Do you even have a clue what you are talking about?

[Woody_CRF]

Originally posted by freeride132
yzs have tranny issues, and wr have flywheel problems lets hope the yfz didnt inherit any of these problems, id take a crf over yz any day:ermm:
You guys are funny. Do you even have a clue what you are talking about? Or do you just enjoy the friendly banter?

Have any of you even riden either of those bikes?

[CowsBitePeople]

Originally posted by Woody_CRF
You guys are funny. Do you even have a clue what you are talking about? Or do you just enjoy the friendly banter?

Have any of you even riden either of those bikes?

LMAO :p

[twisted threads]

I don't see Honda making there new quad super fast out of the box. Really, I dont care if it is faster than the YFZ450. Its still a Honda and that makes it better right there!!!:blah: ;)

[spincr4hire]

Originally posted by Evan400ex
I wish I would have waited. I bought and 03' 400ex earlier this year but hopefully I can talk my dad into helping me out to get the new 450!!!!!!!!!:D

Evan, give your dad the EX, tell him to sell the Warrior. :cool:

[AndrewRRR]

Originally posted by 86atc250r
And Yamaha didn't? The release dates between the YFZ450 and TRX450R are only a couple months apart.

As for waiting - the YFZ is the first "real" competitive quad ever offered by Yamaha-- so who actually made us wait longer?

If you are talking about 265/440 class legal then yes, Yamaha hasn't brought out a bike that is competitive till the YFZ. But how many threads and ATV mag issues and rumors and lies about a new Honda have we heard over the last 3 years or so while Honda just sits back and says nothing. It took Honda 1 year to bring out the 250r fourtrax (after Suzuki brought out the LT).
I hope it comes out and is fantastic, but I'm not holding my breath. I'll believe it when I see it. My brand loyalty dropped after everyone else brought out better quads. I hope Honda was doing their homework.

[RIDER11X]

I believe it was in Dirt Rider magazine that I read about a project where a CRF450r was made into a dual sport bike. Their only complaint in the project was the CRF had a low top end oil capacity because of the design of separating the top end and transmissin oils. On long rides it had a tendency to consume some oil from the top end, and any sizable amount cause it to run dangerously low on oil. Does anyone that has built a hybrid CRF have any insight on this? As mentioned earlier this could be a factor on XC race machines and in trail applications.:eek:

[86atc250r]

It took Honda 1 year to bring out the 250r fourtrax (after Suzuki brought out the LT).

Still don't see your argument. Honda announced building the TRX450R one month after the introduction of the YFZ450. Are you saying they should have one up'd a Yamaha quad that didn't exist 3 years ago?

So what about the rumors - are idiots spreading rumors around the net Honda's fault? What incentive has Honda had to cut into their own 400EX sales up until this point? The 400EX is easily the most prevelent quad in racing and on the trail still to this day.


I hope it comes out and is fantastic, but I'm not holding my breath. I'll believe it when I see it.

Do you not believe that Honda faxing an announcement to their dealers is maybe a good indication that this is for real? At this point, if you don't believe, you have your head in the sand (or somewhere else).


My brand loyalty dropped after everyone else brought out better quads.

Everyone else brought out better quads?

LTZ - a touch more HP, serious and real reliability problems. Does OK in racing (if it finishes), however, didn't even come close to making the 400EX obsolete as the mags would have us believe. When an LTZ and a 400EX line up next to each other at the races, it's either rider's game.

Raptor - there's no need in discussing the Raptor's shortfalls - a noncontender.

KFX - See LTZ

V-Force - a large, heavyweight SUV quad that many of us wouldn't even consider when looking for a replacement for a 400EX or 250R

Cannondale - a very good try, some problems, but a good effort all the same. Do well in MX and Flattrack, will work for XC but after owning one I'm not convinced a person is better off than on a 400EX.

YFZ - sure looks good, Honda answers a month later, what more do you want? The YFZ sure feels rushed to me. Seems like they knew the Honda was coming & rushed the YFZ to market to steal some share. Time will tell.


I hope Honda was doing their homework.

I'm sure Honda, the largest engine manufacturer in the world, with a long history of quality, engineering capabilities, and reliability will do just fine.

[400exNH]

The bigger question is.....

Who is going to be first to create the new forum or the 450R??????

Originally posted by 400exNH
The bigger question is.....

Who is going to be first to create the new forum or the 450R??????



:devil:

[Rip_Tear]

This is the Honda board! even if it implies just the EX! arg!

Who needs reverse? When I need to turn around my inner front tire doesn't even move! The quad just spins around!

[twisted threads]

Originally posted by AndrewRRR
My brand loyalty dropped after everyone else brought out better quads. I hope Honda was doing their homework.
Every one else brought out better quads?? You ride the best quad ever made the R! ;)

[crazybuffalo]

that will be sweet

Honda-great fourwheelers....OK cars..great generators....lawnmowers etc.....

Yamahahahaha-good effort on quads but always come up short... pianos....drum sets....

what would you rather buy...a quad from a company that has loads of experience with all types of engines...or a quad from a manufactuer that also make pianos:ermm:

[2k2-300exnj]

:devil: the 300 will be gone as of the first week in september... im gettin one and the warranty will cover any bugs that need to be worked out... i cant wait

[TheRedRebel17]

Originally posted by nacsracer27
Yamahahahaha-good effort on quads but always come up short... pianos....drum sets.... ops
You forgot:

good: motorcycles, kart motors, jet skis, snowmonlies, boats, golf carts, generators, and thsoe new mule type things:ermm:

[JHF219]

Originally posted by nacsracer27
Honda-great fourwheelers....OK cars..great generators....lawnmowers etc.....

Yamahahahaha-good effort on quads but always come up short... pianos....drum sets....

what would you rather buy...a quad from a company that has loads of experience with all types of engines...or a quad from a manufactuer that also make pianos:ermm:

Yamaha who makes car motors, jet ski motors, snow mobile motors, scooters,dirt bike motors,street bike motors,pianos,drum sets, and so forth(im sure there is more stuff here that im forgetting)

Or

Honda who makes car motors, about all the equals of yamaha, but you have to remember honda is all about making economy based motors(the honda hybrid) which has NO POWER tells me honda is way to conservative with thier POWER!!

you tell me what you want?
Yamaha= high horsepower revving to the moon hang on to your arse motors

Honda=fuel saving weak power motors?

you pick !!

Originally posted by JHForman250R
Yamaha who makes car motors, jet ski motors, snow mobile motors, scooters,dirt bike motors,street bike motors,pianos,drum sets, and so forth(im sure there is more stuff here that im forgetting)

Or

Honda who makes car motors, about all the equals of yamaha, but you have to remember honda is all about making economy based motors(the honda hybrid) which has NO POWER tells me honda is way to conservative with thier POWER!!

you tell me what you want?
Yamaha= high horsepower revving to the moon hang on to your arse motors

Honda=fuel saving weak power motors?

you pick !! my friends raptor has been through 2 OEM trannies and 7 pistons....3 one way clutches....my 416 has been though a head gasket and oil:ermm: i also would not even hesitate to line my 416 up against his raptor...and its a 690 national....

[Guy400]

I just got off the phone with Soichiro Honda's grandson and he gave me the scoop on the new TRX. It's going to use an aluminum frame for starters. It's also going to be fuel-injected. They did extensive research on off-road longevity and have the FI dialed in. It's a direct port injection system. It's also going to be using Honda's variable valve timing system. This will destroy the YFZ:eek2: :devil:

Originally posted by Guy400
I just got off the phone with Soichiro Honda's grandson and he gave me the scoop on the new TRX. It's going to use an aluminum frame for starters. It's also going to be fuel-injected. They did extensive research on off-road longevity and have the FI dialed in. It's a direct port injection system. It's also going to be using Honda's variable valve timing system. This will destroy the YFZ:eek2: :devil: are you serious?:eek2:

[buckNbanshee]

Originally posted by crazybuffalo
that will be sweet

yea crazybuffalo just bout summed it up for ya

[Woodsrider]

Originally posted by Guy400
I just got off the phone with Soichiro Honda's grandson and he gave me the scoop on the new TRX. It's going to use an aluminum frame for starters. It's also going to be fuel-injected. They did extensive research on off-road longevity and have the FI dialed in. It's a direct port injection system. It's also going to be using Honda's variable valve timing system. This will destroy the YFZ:eek2: :devil:

I have a hard time believing that you were on the phone with Hondas grandson but, if they do use the v-tec, this mofo is gonna pull your friggin arms out of there sockets. It is also gonna be priced way up there.

Don't get me wrong I'm not callin you a liar, just have a hard time with that. Will it be OBD2 compliant as well?;)

[AndrewRRR]

Originally posted by 86atc250r
Still don't see your argument....

ATC, I seem to have hit a nerve, so let me clarify. I'm not trying to get into a pissing match with you here. I'm just saying that I have been loyal to Honda, and waiting (along with everyone else here) for something with decent HP and Honda's great trademark handling ever since they dropped the 250r from the lineup 13 years ago. Honda has had great frame geometry since the R, and a great motor since the CRF (which was probably planned for a quad from the beginning since it's conterbalanced). It's frustrating that all these faster (engine-wise) sport quads come out while Honda has the technology. Yes, I know 400ex's are the most popular quad in racing now besides the R, but it sure ain't because of the motor!
I'm looking forward to the 450 and holding off on buying a Yamaha till I see the results, I'm just saying that for how long we've waited, it better be simply amazing.

[Guy400]

Believe it, the grandson of Honda's founder calls me all the time.

[JHF219]

Originally posted by Guy400
Believe it, the grandson of Honda's founder calls me all the time.

anyone else smell that ?!

[MOFO]

Originally posted by Guy400
I just got off the phone with Soichiro Honda's grandson and he gave me the scoop on the new TRX. It's going to use an aluminum frame for starters. It's also going to be fuel-injected. They did extensive research on off-road longevity and have the FI dialed in. It's a direct port injection system. It's also going to be using Honda's variable valve timing system. This will destroy the YFZ:eek2: :devil:



LMFAO... fuelin the fire... :devil:

[Guy400]

Originally posted by MOFO
LMFAO... fuelin the fire... :devil: LMFAO......I'm sure the direct port injection rumor has already been to Bluetraxx and ATV Confusion :devil:

[Woodsrider]

Originally posted by Guy400
Believe it, the grandson of Honda's founder calls me all the time.

Uh-huh:rolleyes: I have to go now, Air force 1 is here to get me. I am having dinner with George!:eek2:

[Scottie Mac]

there is more bull**** on this ng than in rodeo towns.....

Once again, NO ONE has had a chance to ride, see, smell, hug, kiss the new Honda 450. I am smart enough to save judgement until either I or someone I trust (not a phatom internet 13 year old) gives me a tru riding impression. Some people are truely followers, willing to take the word of someone else rather than making up their own minds.

As far as motors go, the two 450 motors are very close in terms of power. The reason the Yamaha is far superior on mx tracks (bikes) is that it is more of a mid and upper rpm motor. Two places most mx bikes are used. The Honda motor has more initial bottom end grunt, one reasone why it works so well in a quad frame. The only drawback of the Honda is that is NOWHERE near as reliable as the Yamaha motor. Funny, everyone talks about Hondas being so reliable, I have seen three crf450s blow this year. I haven't seen one single YZ motor have a reliablity problem.

Handling wise, well the YFZ450 is the BEST handling quad EVER built. So unless this new Honda is absolutely spectacular, I doubt they will improve on the handling of the yamaha. Their are numerous reports from many riders who claim the new YZ is better handling than aftermarket framed race quads. I for one don't know about that, but that is a strong statement.

Things are goign to get interesting, but the thing we should all be happy about is the fact that this is competition, and the more cometition we have, the better the quads are going to get.

Scott

[trout]

tell ya what....
Honda's may be reliable, but the simple truth is this.

A stock yz450 is faster, pulls harder, and is plain better than a stock CR450F. Yeah yeah, ricky wins on the CR, but he would win on a freaking mountain bike.

So look at it this way, all the mags say the new YFZ is the "best jumper ever" and the best handling, blah blah blah ever! So you take a 400EX chassis add reverse, and a CRF450 and you get a bike that weighs more than the YFZ, and has less power and doesnt handle as well. Who hoo!

Now if im wrong and I hope i am, it will have less power, and maybe be as light as the YFZ, but it still wont handle any better.

Who woo!
Dudes buy a Yamaha or a Cannondale, I got a Cannondale and all this new stuff still aint as technologically advanced. Ill admit I think the yFZ motor is better than the C-dales, but I have heard of just as many CRF blowing as I have connondales, and I havent heard of any YZ motors blowing.

So bottom line, Great..............Honda has released a new Quad, I bet you all dollars to donuts that the YFZ is better in every way and its allready out.

trout

[Giz400ex]

Originally posted by RIDER11X
So, how many of you with highly modded ex's actually sell them to go buy the new 450? :ermm: I would!!!:D

[Chanman420q]

im not gunna make a dession on weather or not to sell my EX for the 450 til i see how much better it really is and how much it costs....... money is the biggest factor, that honda could be like the rolex's of watches, but it is gunna cost 7-10g's forget it, ill ride my walmart 24.99 watch and be happy:eek2:

[Bad Habit]

Originally posted by trout
So bottom line, Great..............Honda has released a new Quad, I bet you all dollars to donuts that the YFZ is better in every way and its allready out.

trout

I got a dozen Krispy Kremes right here that I'm willing to bet you'll never get your hands on. :D

Honda, maybe not the most power, maybe not the best this or that. But you'll never convince me that Honda does not make the best overall package.

[MITrail400EX]

Has anyone seen Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back? This post reminds me of Movie-poopshoot.com from that movie. Everyone is throwing out their own opinion and speculations about the new quad and its all based on what? A sketch probably made by the same people who drew the uni-bomber sketch, and a broad, non-specific paragraph about how Honda will be making an announcement on Sept 10th. I will definitly be watching for the posting that it really is coming out, but I won't be selling my first-born to buy this new better than ever race quad. I am a trail dog, dune coon, sand junky, mud buster, but I am a racer by no means. Seeing my 285lb butt plopped on top of a small chassis race quad is like watching the shriner bear riding the bicycle. Call me fat, and you'll need more than a CRF motor to out run me though. I can run faster pissed than you can run scared. Anyways, I hope Honda does revolutionize the ATV industry AGAIN by releasing the hottest thing on Earth, next to Shannon Elizabeth and the Olsen twins. Oh, hi officer. Good night everyone, see you on Sept 10th.

Originally posted by Chanman420q
im not gunna make a dession on weather or not to sell my EX for the 450 til i see how much better it really is and how much it costs....... money is the biggest factor, that honda could be like the rolex's of watches, but it is gunna cost 7-10g's forget it, ill ride my walmart 24.99 watch and be happy:eek2:
EX RiDa9: i race MX and have no need for reverse...but what if i was racing cross country..and i hit a tree..i gotta pull my kill switch..get off my quad..push or pull it back(and that can sometimes be very hard to do when there is ruts involved) and then a z400 hits a tree on the other side of the trail AFTER i hit my tree..he puts it in reverse.backs up and takes off...and im still putting my kill switch back in....so reverse does come in handy...i dont miss it one bit but when i do ride trails and we gotta turn around...it sure would come in handy

Auto response from NAcsRaCer199: watching tv downstairs..call the cell

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EX RiDa9: u try and make ur self sound soooo cool blah blah blah
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EX RiDa9: yet when no ones looking, oh my engine builder built my engine, obviously not you
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umm james...im not understanding the purpose of you sending me this....my engine builder did build my engine..i paid 300$ for it them to do it...thast was jsut in labor......after it blew up..i started doing it all myself....so i am realy confused on why you even bron that up.....and about me trying to look cool...its caled giving a professional opinion...i would rather have people take me seriously...then to abreviviate words and not even explain things..and ahve everyone think im a complete moron....and about me riding mx or trials or whatever...I RIDE MAINLY MX DUMBASS....so i have no need for reverse...but i was also trying to get to the point..that IF i rode XC it would be nice to have....and ALSO THAT WHEN I DO RIDE TRAILS OCCASIONALY when i get bored and go behind my house...trees fall down during storms.....or i feel like goin off the trail...wich i do occasionaly because my trail gets kinda boring after i ride up and down it 20 times cuz im bored...AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO AHVE REVERSE DURING THAT TIME....STATING THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD OPTION....i never once said i wish i ahd it..or i ride trails all the time...maybe you should take some time to carefully read posts

[trout]

i love krispy Cremes, but I am not trying to convince you, ill let the quad do that for itself. If you could just tell me how you would improve the YFZ as it sits now??????? and after you state your improvment......do you really think what you state will be included on the Honda,and dont say reliability, cause we all know the YZ motor is more reliable than the CRF, its proven.

its all good, at least we got more good quads comming out and it makes for a good debate, but I think Yamaha has Honda licked from the get go, there is now argument you an put forth.

trout

[MOFO]

Originally posted by Scottie Mac
there is more bull**** on this ng than in rodeo towns.....

Once again, NO ONE has had a chance to ride, see, smell, hug, kiss the new Honda 450

As far as motors go, the two 450 motors are very close in terms of power. The reason the Yamaha is far superior on mx tracks (bikes) is that it is more of a mid and upper rpm motor. Two places most mx bikes are used. The Honda motor has more initial bottom end grunt, one reasone why it works so well in a quad frame. The only drawback of the Honda is that is NOWHERE near as reliable as the Yamaha motor. Funny, everyone talks about Hondas being so reliable, I have seen three crf450s blow this year. I haven't seen one single YZ motor have a reliablity problem.



Scott



sigh... another hypocrite of their own words. What you said was true about the current crf 450 motor. It needs alot of maintenance. I'd like to know where honda claimed they are using the exact engine. Anyone that takes a guess as to what this quad will use for a frame, engine or whatever is just as guilty as the person claiming it to be the best quad in the world.

As for your claims about the Yammy being the best handling quad ever, that is ALWAYS up to the individual rider. If one frame was SO superior to others, why are there SO many different quads in the racing circuit...


Personally, I think its great another ATV company is coming out with ANOTHER sport quad. This shows a sign of growth for this sport... something I like to see. I felt the same way when the new Yammy came out... props to them for making a great sport quad! As for this one being a Honda, I'm a bit more excited... just as I would when chevy comes out with a new sport's car, ie Z06 vette or when Audi releases a new S series vehicle. (my two favorite car brands BTW)

[Guy400]

Originally posted by MITrail400EX
Has anyone seen Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back? This post reminds me of Movie-poopshoot.com from that movie. Everyone is throwing out their own opinion and speculations about the new quad and its all based on what? A sketch probably made by the same people who drew the uni-bomber sketch, and a broad, non-specific paragraph about how Honda will be making an announcement on Sept 10th. I will definitly be watching for the posting that it really is coming out, but I won't be selling my first-born to buy this new better than ever race quad. I am a trail dog, dune coon, sand junky, mud buster, but I am a racer by no means. Seeing my 285lb butt plopped on top of a small chassis race quad is like watching the shriner bear riding the bicycle. Call me fat, and you'll need more than a CRF motor to out run me though. I can run faster pissed than you can run scared. Anyways, I hope Honda does revolutionize the ATV industry AGAIN by releasing the hottest thing on Earth, next to Shannon Elizabeth and the Olsen twins. Oh, hi officer. Good night everyone, see you on Sept 10th. LMFAO:D

You've got the Honda-loyalists saying this is going to be the best thing since sliced bread and they've got no information on it. Then you've got the other people that cry foul on the Honda lovers saying they're hyping it up and have never even seen it but then go on to say that it won't be any better than the YFZ. How can you criticize someone because they're making claims about a bike they've never seen or ridden but then go on to make a negative claim about it yourself when you've never seen it or touched it either :huh Here's a summary of this thread:

Honda-loyal:This is going to be the best quad ever. It will kill the Yamaha (but I've got no real information about it).

Skeptic:Hey, Honda-loyal. How can you say it's going to be the best ever when you've never even seen or touched it? There's no way the new Honda is going to handle better than the Yamaha nor will it be as fast (but I've got no real information either).

[Rastus]

So bottom line, Great..............Honda has released a new Quad, I bet you all dollars to donuts that the YFZ is better in every way and its allready out.


Now if im wrong and I hope i am, it will have less power, and maybe be as light as the YFZ, but it still wont handle any better


You obviously haven't been around very long with your 8 posts. I'm telling you from exp. that Hondas are VERY reliable. Look at the old 250X's, and old 300EX's. Those things were, and still are bulletproof. 400EX's are reliable also. Most of us have figured out that Honda is more concerned about the quad being on the trail than being in the shop.

If there is a way to make that engine reliable, Honda will do it.

We've all seen The Classic Magazine rave. When it's new, it's the best thing since sliced bread.

Not trying to flame you, but that's how I see it.


If I'd had my druthers, I would still ride a Honda.
Maybe a C-Dale:D

Originally posted by Guy400
LMFAO:D

You've got the Honda-loyalists saying this is going to be the best thing since sliced bread and they've got no information on it. Then you've got the other people that cry foul on the Honda lovers saying they're hyping it up and have never even seen it but then go on to say that it won't be any better than the YFZ. How can you criticize someone because they're making claims about a bike they've never seen or ridden but then go on to make a negative claim about it yourself when you've never seen it or touched it either :huh Here's a summary of this thread:

Honda-loyal:This is going to be the best quad ever. It will kill the Yamaha (but I've got no real information about it).

Skeptic:Hey, Honda-loyal. How can you say it's going to be the best ever when you've never even seen or touched it? There's no way the new Honda is going to handle better than the Yamaha nor will it be as fast (but I've got no real information either). lmfao..your so right

[Guy400]

Originally posted by trout
i love krispy Cremes, but I am not trying to convince you, ill let the quad do that for itself. If you could just tell me how you would improve the YFZ as it sits now??????? and after you state your improvment......do you really think what you state will be included on the Honda,and dont say reliability, cause we all know the YZ motor is more reliable than the CRF, its proven.

its all good, at least we got more good quads comming out and it makes for a good debate, but I think Yamaha has Honda licked from the get go, there is now argument you an put forth.

trout Do you really believe that the YFZ is the epitome of sport quads? There's no way any engineer could make any improvements? That's like saying in 1964 that the 1964 Mustang will be the best ever.

I've owned 1 Kawasaki, 5 Suzuki's, 1 Cannondale and 1 Honda--I'm hardly on Honda's nuts. But, I can tell you that I've got more faith in Honda's engineers than any of the others combined. They've had the best frame geometry in the business and they created it on their first attempt. Don't you find it funny that all aftermarket frame manufacturers model their frames after the Honda geometry? When's the last time anyone bought an Arens, Walsh or Roll Banshee geometry frame? When did anyone buy an LT geometry frame from any of them? Where do you think the roots of the Z/KFX and YFZ frame came from? Even as good as the Honda geometry is, I'm sure that Honda engineers could find a way to make it better.

I'm not going to say anything about this quad one way or the other until we get some specs. All I know is that Honda has never let the ATV folks down with any of their models--I doubt they're going to start with this one.

[long is.blaster]

wat about displacment i hope they dont friggen detune it to a 439 cc just because 440 is a race cateragory. tose 11cc come in handy especially if it is a high perfofmance engine such as the crfs and yzfs.......later

[Bad Habit]

OK, I've finally gotten off the floor from laughing at MITrail400EX's post. And I'll try and pretend that I don't know what you're talking about with regards to the Olsen twins;)

I love all this back and forth about the new, untested quad and the newer, unseen quad. It's all one big mass debate:D

I will stand up and applaud Yami. It seems that at the very least they have listened to consumers wants and compalints (hi-tech 4 stroke, a real airbox, etc.) So for this I give them an A.

As for Honda, I will go ahead a spectulate that this quad will be a great overall package just based on their batting average.

MITrail400EX, remember, it's not fat, it's momentum.:macho

[Derek]

Originally posted by long is.blaster
wat about displacment i hope they dont friggen detune it to a 439 cc just because 440 is a race cateragory. tose 11cc come in handy especially if it is a high perfofmance engine such as the crfs and yzfs.......later

Well I personlly think honda would be just stupied if they didnt make them 439 cc's. yea 11cc's would help it but it wouldnt be race legal then. I can almost guarentee they dont make it a true 450.

[Woody_CRF]

What are you guys talking about??? This forum is soooo funny. I have never read more posts from people that don't have a clue in my life.

1. the YZF and CRF are very close in power
2. If the YZF is sooo much better, then why might I ask does Windham and Ward take almost every hole shot in SX and MX?

Do you guys even watch the races?

I personally don't know anyone that has had problems with the CRF. I know the CRF has had some Valve problems (mostly limited to the '02 (I have not heard of ONE '03 with the problem)), and the YFZ's have had some clutch and ingnition timing problems. As for engines blowing up... Sounds to me like the guy though the CRF was an XR and after 200 hours it blew up.

If you think the YFZ's don't have engine problems of their own, you need to start reading some boards that actually talk about the bike and the problems they are having. I wouldn't call them reliability problems though. We are not talking about an XR motor that is built to last. We are talking a high compression, race engine, that requires attention. These are full MX race engines.

I dare to wager that every guy on this board that has a 401-440cc EX engine has to take more care of his engine than the guys that have stock 400's. Why you ask... Because the engine is now a high performace engine. Not an EX or XR engine, which quite frankly will run longer than you will live with NO attention what so ever. Anyone that doesn't take care of the engine will have it explode... does that mean the engine sucks???

Let me say on last thing and I'll get off my soap box. WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE TRX450R. Everything here is pure speculation.

I for one, hope it is as good or better than the YFZ, not because the YFZ sucks, but because the competition is good for ... US!! I'm all about competition. Look what it has done for both the YZF and CRF. You can't argue that these are only getting better.

Remember 95% rider 5% bike.

Keep it real

[300EXrider02]

IMO...so no bashing :mad:


if someone has said this ingnore it becasue i am not about to look through 19 pages of posts

the new honda might be the ugliest quad I have ever laid eyes on...at least from the little sketch i saw...it doesnt get that much worst to have a quad that has predator fenders with a articat dvx nose piece and the butt-ugliest light no earth with ds-650 rear fenders and a upside down triangle bumber in the front....

congrats honda for you know take the trophy, just topping the DVX, **appluase**

If it reall does look like it did in the sketch that is:p

i will give my long hardworking hours to make 400ex or 250r fenders fit:D

[Woody_CRF]

Originally posted by MOFO
sigh... another hypocrite of their own words. What you said was true about the current crf 450 motor. It needs alot of maintenance. I'd like to know where honda claimed they are using the exact engine. Anyone that takes a guess as to what this quad will use for a frame, engine or whatever is just as guilty as the person claiming it to be the best quad in the world.

As for your claims about the Yammy being the best handling quad ever, that is ALWAYS up to the individual rider. If one frame was SO superior to others, why are there SO many different quads in the racing circuit...


Personally, I think its great another ATV company is coming out with ANOTHER sport quad. This shows a sign of growth for this sport... something I like to see. I felt the same way when the new Yammy came out... props to them for making a great sport quad! As for this one being a Honda, I'm a bit more excited... just as I would when chevy comes out with a new sport's car, ie Z06 vette or when Audi releases a new S series vehicle. (my two favorite car brands BTW)
Well said. I couldn't agree with you more.

That guy has NO clue.

[Derek]

Originally posted by Woody_CRF

That guy has NO clue.

your like a broken record player.

[Woody_CRF]

I know... :D

[Derek]

Originally posted by Woody_CRF
I know... :D

HAHHAHAHAA:p

[trout]

Guy400,

You have some good points in your rebuttal, I give you that. However, just because I have 8 posts or how ever many I have, has little to do with my knowledge level of the sport or in general.

I started out 20 years ago, yes 20 on a yamaha YFM80, then moved to a warrior, then a Cannondale. and I have plenty of education in between and riding partners on all the different brands out there, from 310r's to custom build KTM520's and stock warriors. So questioning my knowledge of the sport and its evolution is fine, but I dare say im older and wiser than most on this board.

peace,
trout

[Pappy]

Originally posted by trout
Guy400,

You have some good points in your rebuttal, I give you that. However, just because I have 8 posts or how ever many I have, has little to do with my knowledge level of the sport or in general.



never let a low post count fool ya...especially these days;) ya never know who the "new guy" just might be:p

[user101]

Originally posted by Guy400
LMFAO:D

You've got the Honda-loyalists saying this is going to be the best thing since sliced bread and they've got no information on it. Then you've got the other people that cry foul on the Honda lovers saying they're hyping it up and have never even seen it but then go on to say that it won't be any better than the YFZ. How can you criticize someone because they're making claims about a bike they've never seen or ridden but then go on to make a negative claim about it yourself when you've never seen it or touched it either :huh Here's a summary of this thread:

Honda-loyal:This is going to be the best quad ever. It will kill the Yamaha (but I've got no real information about it).

Skeptic:Hey, Honda-loyal. How can you say it's going to be the best ever when you've never even seen or touched it? There's no way the new Honda is going to handle better than the Yamaha nor will it be as fast (but I've got no real information either).


lmfao. nobody knows what its gonna be.


this thread has gained another page just in the time i have been reading it.

[trout]

thanks pappy.

I am not proclaiming to be a "know it all" by any means. However in my 20 odd years of ATV'ing ive seen alot and in lots of cases not seen alot. Honda is king ill give you that. heck they started it all in the 70's and yes I was alive. But recently they have been gun shy, and I dont blame them. 100 million in law suits and penalties will do that to you. I am just trying to offer an alternative point of view, but as many have said, its all premature till we see the specs. and Lord knows I hope its the creme de la creme.\

trout

[Scottie Mac]

I think there was a saying a long time ago that went something like this....

Arguing with an idiot, only makes you an idiot....

Not pointing at anyone, just arguing on a forum is like arguing with a brick wall.


Oh, and WoodyCRF, when I say the YZ450 motor is better I mean for the "normal, local racer" not the Pros of the world. Just because Jeff Gordon wins a lot of NASCAR races doesn't mean the Monte Carlo is the baddest car ever. The bikes the pros ride are as far from what you and I will ever ride as can be. You really think the KX125 is the best 125cc bike in the world because Bubba beats everyones arses on one?

Who cares. I mentioned this on another forum, and I stand behind it.... without competition, we would all be riding the same quads, now, and 10 years from now.

Scott

[Woody_CRF]

You re-itterated my point... 95% rider 5% bike.

Bubba could win on anything.

Your local riders on YZF's could do the same on a CRF.

Pick a color and ride.

[Regulator 250X]

WOW!!!

From one little bulletin that Honda actually DID send out annoucing the 450R, we get 13 pages of absolute SHIZZZZZZZZNIT!!!!!! Nothing on this thread is useful in anyway, we are now all dumber for reading this!

Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, no matter who wins you are still retarded!!!

RIDE RED OR RIDE HOME!!!!!!

[Pappy]

isnt speculation fun:D

[Woody_CRF]

LMAO... You have a very good point... At least we are all in the same race. :D

[Scottie Mac]

All in the same race??? Damn, I must be a lap down :(

Scott

[Pahrump]

Well whatever happens I am saving my pennies and gonna break open the piggy bank cause I want IT!!!!!

[jamiesel]

Originally posted by Pappy
if i wanted a crf i can build one and it would be race ready for slightly more then what the new one will cost. i know everyone else cant...but i can:ermm: im interested in seeing what this new engine is more then the rest of the quad. if its capable of being used for more them MX then possibly ill snag one.

i have just set my mind on the fact that im not gonna let myself get suckered into the new yamaha or honda.....or maybe kawi of they jump in on this deal. cannondale would be the quad to have over both IMO......but we kinda know what the deal is there:scary:

honda will sell these things faster then dealers can stock them im certain.

There is reason to hope Cannondale will live again.

[Woody_CRF]

I just hope it is competitive with the YFZ. If it is, then Woo Hoo, if not... :eek:

[Woody_CRF]

Originally posted by jamiesel
There is reason to hope Cannondale will live again.
I hope they do.

Hey don't forget about the GasGas Wild450. That is an excellent quad for the money. $8400.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by jamiesel
There is reason to hope Cannondale will live again.

oh i got the word:o :blah:

[Derek]

Originally posted by Woody_CRF
LMAO... You have a very good point... At least we are all in the same race. :D

Im that guy laying in the whoops section that keeps gettin run over. Yea dont think cannondale is done just yet.;)

[Woody_YFZ]

This is hilarious. I just wasted a lot of time reading it, but it's okay because I am at work, so I'm getting paid for it, but man this is funny.

Everybody knows that the Honda will be a good machine and the Honda guys are going to ride the Honda. The Yamaha guys are going to ride the Yamaha, for the undecided, some will buy Honda, some will buy Yamaha, that's just the way it goes. I'm super happy with the YFZ and I'm glad to see the ATV manufacturers putting out bikes that we can race at our local races right out of the box without killing ourselves. I've raced the KFX and the Raptor and it's suspension alone was enough to make me switch. I'm looking forward to September 10th.

[Ryan]

Great fights going on :macho .

The only thing im really expecting out of the new Honda is that it will be woods friendly. I've heard the YFZ450 isn't the greatest bike for XC. Chris Borich seems to be doing fine with it, not to mention his bike probably has well over $10,000 in to it.

If it does turn out like the YFZ, im gonna spend my money on a Cannondale. They seem to be one of the best stock machines for XC (not including the Moto). I just have to find out where the future of the motersports division is headed.

Great to hear that Honda finally stepped it up, though.

[Woody_YFZ]

It's funny on a YFZ site I frequent, they argue over whether the white YFZ or the blue YFZ is faster. It seems whatever color you own is faster. Not really related, but this just reminded me of that.

[jwisniew]

speakin of colors, what other colors is the 450r gonna be offered in?? just yellow?

[Derek]

probly wont find that out for awhile.

[Woody_CRF]

I hope not... speaking of the color that is.

[davham]

Someone needs to remove the "sticky" because this thread is not worth reading past page 2!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and what's Mr. Honda's grandson up to?

You my child are an absolute retard!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dad400ex]

Honda will make you wait for a quality product,they will not release it until everything is thought though,including maintenance issues,replacement parts,etc.That is why I beleive it will be a mild steel frame,but strong to handle the power.This new trx450r is gonna make you druel.And let the deposits begin to get one,unlike the yamaha NO line or druel there...

[Guy400]

Originally posted by trout
Guy400,

You have some good points in your rebuttal, I give you that. However, just because I have 8 posts or how ever many I have, has little to do with my knowledge level of the sport or in general.

I started out 20 years ago, yes 20 on a yamaha YFM80, then moved to a warrior, then a Cannondale. and I have plenty of education in between and riding partners on all the different brands out there, from 310r's to custom build KTM520's and stock warriors. So questioning my knowledge of the sport and its evolution is fine, but I dare say im older and wiser than most on this board.

peace,
trout I said nothing about your post count :confused:

[Guy400]

Originally posted by davham
Someone needs to remove the "sticky" because this thread is not worth reading past page 2!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and what's Mr. Honda's grandson up to?

You my child are an absolute retard!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well then you should've quit reading at page 2 :o

And it's really quite sad if you couldn't pick up on my sarcasm. I attempted to make it almost as unbelieveable as I could without putting a disclaimer of "I'm lying" in the title bar. Would anyone really believe that a Honda executive would personally call an industry outsider?

[2 QuicK]

The TRX 450R will be second to none. Honda wouldn't release it if it was...





(Hopefully I won't have to eat my words in 3 months):D

[dirtriderex]

This is rediculas, For the past two years we have been waiting for honda, and now that Honda is going to release one, everyone seems to be bashing honda. If your concerned about the plastics looks and colors then you are an idiot. The crf engine is proved to be a good high performance engine and tthe suspension and other specific details we will have to just wait. So don't speculate!!! Have a nice day:D

[JustRace]

Well for now my EX has two things that can't be beat for me. One: Its already in my garage
Two: Its paid for

[cool 300ex]

Wow i hope honda comes out with it.

[Rastus]

Well for now my EX has two things that can't be beat for me. One: Its already in my garage Two:It's Paid for.

True that. My current bike suits my needs very well.


New competition is good. We ALL benefit from Companies going head-to-head.

[ranger400ex]

Good to see Honda stepping to the plate. They started the real sport quad with the 400ex. It will give the new ".........................." Blaze 450 ;) something to compete with. Looks like Jeffy, Rick, and I will have another "follower" in the woods. September 10th will not be as infamous as ../../03 :eek:


Ben

[YamaWarr0121]

Originally posted by ranger400ex
Good to see Honda stepping to the plate. They started the real sport quad with the 400ex. It will give the new ".........................." Blaze 450 ;) something to compete with. Looks like Jeffy, Rick, and I will have another "follower" in the woods. September 10th will not be as infamous as ../../03 :eek:


Ben


:confused:

:macho

:cool:

???:D

[Pahrump]

Well like I said earlier I will be glad to get off my raptor and back onto RED I talked to my dealer here in las vegas today and he said to look for them to hit the showroom right after the show on the 10th!!!

Well I hope so cause I am ready.

[trout]

Guy400,

youre right, you didnt say anything about posts count, my bad.

trout

[RIDER11X]

Originally posted by JustRace
Well for now my EX has two things that can't be beat for me. One: Its already in my garage
Two: Its paid for

I couldn't agree more. I'm the same way, and am VERY happy with my 400ex. If I rode dirt bikes still, I would have a XR400r as opposed to a CRF450r. It's just my style.
I do welcome the CRF's and the YFZ's though, because if I was a hardcore racer, one of the two would be in my garage too.

[Kuz28]

well...it is coming. and here are some facts. The frame is steel and it will come with reverse. i know people who have seen this up close and have had the two facts above varified by Mickey Dunlop of 4 stroke techs.

in fact i would be shocked if Honda advertises this as race ready. Yamaha is shying away from labeling the YFZ as such. with the Quad industry under relentless attack by tree hugging safety freaks...their reasons are sound.

Closer inspection of the animation...does not reveal anything race ready. infact the dimensions look similiar to the Z.

what worries me is the recommended 15hr rebuild on the cr450...this does not excite me for a quad.

this is my first post to this site...so i have no credabilty with you folks... yet.

[Fast250EX]

I was hoping for aluminum. Oh well, got a dry weight for it?

[Kuz28]

Nope...the folks i know got up close...but didn't get their leg around it. keep your eyes open if you ride in Cali.

[ranger400ex]

someone needs their eyes checked....cough...cough.alum...cough...inum....co ugh.


Ben

[kargaaro]

Originally posted by davham
Someone needs to remove the "sticky" because this thread is not worth reading past page 2!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and what's Mr. Honda's grandson up to?

You my child are an absolute retard!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well done. I'll be checking back on Sept 10. Until then have fun with this.

[forum]

recomended 15 hour rebuild you say.... all bikes come with outrageous things like that. all two stroke dirtbikes recomend you brake in your engine then change your piston!!! does anyone do that. stop whining!:confused2

[Pahrump]

Well I myself will be glad to see reverse especially since I like to ride in the woods and the only woods close to here also happen to be in the mountains so therefor reverse is very helpful.

But I was hoping for an alluminum frame and I do hope that the suspension is as good as the yammy's you know resovoirs on all three shocks.

Now the 15hr rebuild thing I dunno I my 02 CFR for about 100 hrs or so then sold it and it is still doing great with no rebuild. But I dunno




Oh well only time will tell what honda will bring us.

[RIDER11X]

15hr rebuild? :p 250cc two strokes are supposed to get a top end rebuild every 30hrs. by the book, and that is a two stroke! :ermm:
Well I cange oil every 20hrs, so a top end job along with it may not be so bad. "Gimme a filter, 3qts of oil, gasket set, piston, rings, wrist pin bearing............................... Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!:D

[Rip_Tear]

Did Yamaha offer a warrenty with the YfZ 450 quad? I doubt Honda would even think about no warrenty...

Just some clarification here....

Honda doesn't care how much time they take, they don't care how much they charge, and they also don't care if "everyone" has been waiting for 2 years (or how ever long) they also don't care that they haven't released more info on the 450R. Believe me, I talked with a Honda "guy" high up there, and he told me that just the Honda plant close to me made over 250 million dollars in 4 months!!! Honda isn't worried about making money! Honda could still sell the 400ex and people would still buy it! They have been!

Their going to build this thing right and charge what they want (like most other places) the reasons the Z were close to Honda's price was because if they weren't, do you think they would have done so well, who would spend so much more for an ATV almost the exact same, but with liquid cooling!?

Just wait till September till we get some real info on this Beast!

[sieg400ex]

With all this comparison between the yz motor and the crf motor. If anyone has read the article closly it says, "Powered by an all new, purpose built engine." It could be an all new engine that Honda has been working on. Or it could be based on the crf just revamped. Who Knows.

Greg

[NTPracing22]

it has an aluminum frame, good one at that, caugh laeger's style cough;)

[RIDER11X]

Originally posted by sieg400ex
It could be an all new engine that Honda has been working on. Or it could be based on the crf just revamped. Who Knows.

Greg

Can we say DRY SUMP?;)

[NTPRacing#19]

we all just need to shut up and sit back and relax now that we are pretty sure that honda will be releasing what we all have been waiting for, we snitch and complain and argue to each other on what this thing will have and wont have, oh well screw it and see what happends, we cant do anything about it anyway. let chill and have a beer and feast our eyes on the 10th.:D

[PHIL_B54]

when i was at the dealer today, i had to ask.

here's what he said the honda rep. showed them a picture of it, but whould not let them keep it, just look. he would say nothing else about it except that while testing it they used modded R's to judge by. and that rep also said that when the 400ex was released it was not intended at all for racing. it was just a one-up on the warrior, a trail machine. thats why they changed it to sporttrax after unwittingly creating a sport atv. and that when they put effort into it, it WILL be a racer.

i dont know what is bs and what is not, im just repeating what he said

he also said no one had put a deposit on one yet, but some had asked if their was a waiting list.

[Woody_CRF]

That is interesting. I hope it is...

[AndrewRRR]

OMG 17 pages on a quad we have no concrete info on! lol. I think i'm not gonna check back on this post till sept 10th.

It will be interesting to see how many people have heard hush hush top secret info from their brother in-law's cousin's dog babysitter's uncle who sweeps floors at Honda! :rolleyes:

[cjpoole1]

Originally posted by Woody_YFZ
It's funny on a YFZ site I frequent, they argue over whether the white YFZ or the blue YFZ is faster. It seems whatever color you own is faster. Not really related, but this just reminded me of that.
The blue ones are faster:blah:
http://bxtrememotorsports.com/yzf/450-8.jpg

[sparky450AR]

Originally posted by TheRedRebel17
ops
You forgot:

good: motorcycles, kart motors, jet skis, snowmonlies, boats, golf carts, generators, and thsoe new mule type things:ermm:


oh and dont forget some of the most high tech motors ever built....indy car motors

[sparky450AR]

Originally posted by JHForman250R
Yamaha who makes car motors, jet ski motors, snow mobile motors, scooters,dirt bike motors,street bike motors,pianos,drum sets, and so forth(im sure there is more stuff here that im forgetting)

Or

Honda who makes car motors, about all the equals of yamaha, but you have to remember honda is all about making economy based motors(the honda hybrid) which has NO POWER tells me honda is way to conservative with thier POWER!!

you tell me what you want?
Yamaha= high horsepower revving to the moon hang on to your arse motors

Honda=fuel saving weak power motors?

you pick !!


youve gotta be kidding me...honda makes oh teh s-2000....forgot that one didnt you???

they also own acura and make all acura motors...i cant even tell you how many fast cars acura makes

wake up

[$$$moneyex]

i cant wait for this i dont like yamaha and i was excited over the yfz450. im going to go crazy waiting for sept 10. this is awsome i allready want one and i havent even heard much about it