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Pahrump

08-24-2003, 05:54 PM

Did ya'll read this?

They should probably either have it by now or be getting it real soon!!!!!

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Subject: Re: crf450???
Name: Fullbore Innovations,Inc.
Date Posted: Aug 15, 03 - 3:59 PM
Email: fullboreplastics@msn.com
Message: Hello,
We will be getting that model in the next week or so,YEAH!!! We hope for it to be finished by late Fall.
We will keep you all informed.
Thanks
Fullbore

Here is the link:
http://pub15.bravenet.com/forum/fetch.php?usernum=1260733444&msgid=134000&mode=&cp=

I am sure sombody will call BS on this but I thought I would share the info.

Ryan

08-25-2003, 09:28 AM

Pahrump, the only problem I see with this is, they called it a crf450. Its supposed to be "TRX450R."

They could be talking about a Custom crf450 quad.....

Ryan

08-25-2003, 09:28 AM

Pahrump, the only problem I see with this is, they called it a crf450. Its supposed to be "TRX450R."

They could be talking about a Custom crf450 quad.....

TGW_400ex

08-25-2003, 10:11 AM

A CRF450 is a dirtbike not a quad

JHF219

08-25-2003, 12:35 PM

since when did fullbore start making bike plastics? this is a new one on me ?!

TGW_400ex

08-25-2003, 02:18 PM

hmm i donno but a CRF450 is a motocross bike so they must have started or the person that put that up is confused:confused2

Pahrump

08-25-2003, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Ryan
Pahrump, the only problem I see with this is, they called it a crf450. Its supposed to be "TRX450R."

They could be talking about a Custom crf450 quad.....

Yeah I noticed that also but the way they said that they wold be getting it next week or so I kinda thought it might be for the new quad, and since Fullbore does not make plastic for bikes.

But maybe just wishfull thinking..............

Later

Pahrump

08-25-2003, 02:33 PM

Go to the Fulbore link above and click on the forum link then read the first two replies about the plastic I think it says prety clear (clear as mud) that they are talking about the new quad.

RiPPiNiTuP7

08-25-2003, 03:07 PM

I HAVE A QUESTION!!!:::::::::::

when we get the specs and crap on the 10th, how soon would i be able to buy one?

Pahrump

08-25-2003, 03:32 PM

I was told by a few folks that it will be an 04 model and will able to be purchased soon after the 10th of september

goin2shock

08-25-2003, 05:05 PM

15 days left!

Bretmd94

08-25-2003, 05:36 PM

hmm, my 21st b-day is on the 4th.... It comes out the 10th.... *does math* I think i might be sober enough to drive to the Honda dealer to order me one by the 10th...... maybe.... :eek:

TGW_400ex

08-26-2003, 08:47 AM

Wow the 400ex's are soo cheap around here now and all my friends are buyin them so I think I'm going to sell mine for the 450:)

250EXstud

08-26-2003, 10:52 AM

i have been doin some talkin to my dad, even though i just bought my 400 i may be gettin one of these. I was lookin at this blaaze but my dad said why don't you just get a new 450. He knows i couldn't afford one so maybe he wants to help me !!:D

robby26wi

08-27-2003, 08:06 AM

Why isnt there any info at all on the Honda site about the quad being released? Seems kinda weird..

86atc250r

08-27-2003, 08:18 AM

Because they said they'd make their "official announcement" at the dealer meeting Sep 10.

Expect details at that time.

Read the memo - then you'll know as much as we do.

08-27-2003, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by 86atc250r
Because they said they'd make their "official announcement" at the dealer meeting Sep 10.

Expect details at that time.

Read the memo - then you'll know as much as we do. your a smart mofo

robby26wi

08-27-2003, 08:45 AM

Official or not i still dont like how they are goin about it...They talked smack when the yz400 came out that they would have a 4 stroke 400 or 450 and it took them 4 years...If its true on the 10th and you can get them soon after great but i aint counting chickens yet...I havent seen the eggs...

86atc250r

08-27-2003, 08:57 AM

I don't remember any "smack talking" from Honda (maybe Honda riders, but not Honda themselves).

I do remember that when they announced the CRF, they were up front with the expected due date - if memory serves me correctly, it showed up at dealers slightly before the projected date.

Time will tell - you'll get your announcement Sep 10 & then you'll have availability, specifications, and pricing info. If you're then unhappy with any of the above, go out and buy you a YFZ.

Honda often uses their annual dealer meeting as an opportunity to introduce new models in "grand fashion" (Just like Yamaha did with the YFZ) - I doubt they'll change their ways because Robby26wi doesn't like it.

mall0y

08-27-2003, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by TGW_400ex
Wow the 400ex's are soo cheap around here now and all my friends are buyin them so I think I'm going to sell mine for the 450:)

How much are they where you live because my local dealer says they are predicting it to go as low as 3 grand

holeshot19

08-27-2003, 02:05 PM

will there be one at the next national gncc.?:mad:

Pahrump

08-27-2003, 02:36 PM

When is the next National?

luvmyex

08-27-2003, 04:14 PM

THe dirt wheels dont have it as one of their 04 models??? They do have a artical about it buts its not listed in their new lineup they always come out with.Wonder if this is cause it isnt released yet?

Pahrump

08-27-2003, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by luvmyex
THe dirt wheels dont have it as one of their 04 models??? They do have a artical about it buts its not listed in their new lineup they always come out with.Wonder if this is cause it isnt released yet?

I am sure the reason it is not listed is because it has not been released yet. But just cause it did not make DW does not mean that it will not be a late 2004 model.

Hopefully!!!!!!:blah:

TGW_400ex

08-28-2003, 03:57 AM

RockMountain has the 450R in the choices for parts!!!

TGW_400ex

08-28-2003, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by Mall0y
How much are they where you live because my local dealer says they are predicting it to go as low as 3 grand

We my friend bought one down in state collage and he told me that he got his for $3999 and I think that is w/o tax but still:eek2:

08-28-2003, 09:55 AM

I can't wait for 9.10.03 to arrive, jeez only 30,000+ views and 536 posts and this thread is running out of steam? JK ot least then round two the the great TRX debate of 2003 can begin. I'll just wait till I get my hands on one.:macho

08-28-2003, 10:00 AM

13 days.....kjslkfjdsfkldf im getting impatient

Punk'd

08-28-2003, 10:04 AM

im going to go up to my locol honda dealer and look threw there files and chit c wat i can find plus i think one of my friends work there:D

Pappy

08-28-2003, 10:07 AM

it's ugly lookin:ermm:

08-28-2003, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Pappy
it's ugly lookin:ermm: is that why you ahve one on order?

mall0y

08-28-2003, 10:36 AM

so, i got a question....how low do you think the 400ex prices are going to go....i was looking into getting one for a long time now and i think that the 450r would go to waste since i trail ride alot... so do you think i should go for the 400ex and just use the extra money slap a pipe on it or somethin??

08-28-2003, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by mall0y
so, i got a question....how low do you think the 400ex prices are going to go....i was looking into getting one for a long time now and i think that the 450r would go to waste since i trail ride alot... so do you think i should go for the 400ex and just use the extra money slap a pipe on it or somethin?? yea..get one rband new...my dealer has prices at 3199$ now...

TGW_400ex

08-28-2003, 10:49 AM

Ya I just bought mine this year for 5000 then the prices droped:mad: Its really good for goin out and tearin up the trails:D

mall0y

08-28-2003, 10:53 AM

alright....thanks guys!!! im gonna pick it up sometime after the dealer meeting (my neighbor works at my local dealer and he said it will go way down after that)...later!

Pahrump

08-28-2003, 11:15 AM

Do you all know about Quad Central here in Las Vegas?

Well the owner there said that he has seen it and that it is pretty cool but he was not at liberty to talk about it until 9-10, but he did say that right after the meeting expect them to be for sale, as a 2004 model for sure. And no this guy is not a dealer, just a performance shop, so he is not trying to sell one.

remlapr

08-28-2003, 11:18 AM

Did he say if the frame is Aluminum? I can't believe we still don't know this one piece of info for sure yet :mad:

dirtriderex

08-28-2003, 12:30 PM

I doubt that they will release that info, the frame is pretty important. But damn I can't wait till the 11th :devil:

Pappy

08-28-2003, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by nacsracer27
is that why you ahve one on order?

after seeing it i may cancel it:eek2:

08-28-2003, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by Pappy
after seeing it i may cancel it:eek2: exactly how i feel...if it doesnt seem to be as good as the yamaha..im gonna go with the yamaha..im hoping the drawing looks nothing like the real finished project....

Pahrump

08-28-2003, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by remlapr
Did he say if the frame is Aluminum? I can't believe we still don't know this one piece of info for sure yet :mad:

:( No he would not say either way all he would say is that alot of folks will be surprised at what Honda brings out this time.

But I will say he said this as much as I hate to (I have always been and still am a Honda fan, but.....) "If you want my professional viewpoint and not my color preference I would buy the Yamaha, but that is all I am saying"

I hated to type that and either way that is his opinion and I will at least wait till the 10th to see what is up before I make my decision, but after that I guess if I have to buy the Yammy I will just buy the white and red one so that it kinda resembles an Honda!!!:blah:

joedirt

08-28-2003, 01:19 PM

Ya know what i tilk. these new 4st aren't made for trail ridn. They lack good bottom end for fartn around. Half the guys that buy them are going to hate them. I will be laughn stupid fools

08-28-2003, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by joedirt
Ya know what i tilk. these new 4st aren't made for trail ridn. They lack good bottom end for fartn around. Half the guys that buy them are going to hate them. I will be laughn stupid fools lack good bottom end? my 416ex has more than enough bottom...and the 450's have twice the power...so ill be laughin at you....

dirtriderex

08-28-2003, 01:57 PM

Bump:macho

08-28-2003, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by dirtriderex
Bump:macho isnt it a sticky?

RiPPiNiTuP7

08-28-2003, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by nacsracer27
isnt it a sticky?

so.

sparky450AR

08-28-2003, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by nacsracer27
lack good bottom end? my 416ex has more than enough bottom...and the 450's have twice the power...so ill be laughin at you....

you both have good points...but i rode a yamaha 250F basically a downsized 450f and it was how joe explained it....you had to rev to get it goin...not a lot of torque.....its like a 3-stroke:huh :grr: :mad:

but im still hoping they modified the motor to give it bottom end...they prolly did

Pahrump

08-28-2003, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by sparky450AR
you both have good points...but i rode a yamaha 250F basically a downsized 450f and it was how joe explained it....you had to rev to get it goin...not a lot of torque.....its like a 3-stroke:huh :grr: :mad:

but im still hoping they modified the motor to give it bottom end...they prolly did

A 250f and a 450f are really different!!!

Have you ever rode a 125 and then rode a 250 i am talking 2 strokes here, they are two completly different machines.

Kinda like the 250F and the 450f are completly different.

Have you rode the Yammy yet? Is pretty good bottom end, especiall when you go down to a 13T front sprocket.

Chef

08-28-2003, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by Pahrump
A 250f and a 450f are really different!!!

Have you ever rode a 125 and then rode a 250 i am talking 2 strokes here, they are two completly different machines.

Kinda like the 250F and the 450f are completly different.

Have you rode the Yammy yet? Is pretty good bottom end, especiall when you go down to a 13T front sprocket.

The stock 450 I rode had nothin for bottom. Like it would just stall itself out if lugged. I also rode one with an HMF pipe, and it had a little more bottom, and ripped up top. Still didnt have the power of my EX or Banshee, and definitely not my R, but it does have a TON more than the raptor.

sparky450AR

08-28-2003, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by Pahrump
A 250f and a 450f are really different!!!

Have you ever rode a 125 and then rode a 250 i am talking 2 strokes here, they are two completly different machines.

Kinda like the 250F and the 450f are completly different.

Have you rode the Yammy yet? Is pretty good bottom end, especiall when you go down to a 13T front sprocket.

oh i iddnt know...i figured they would be pretty close...guess i was wrong...ha....i was watchin a wheelie video of a yfz it looked pretty torqey....i feel better about that now....:macho

Pahrump

08-28-2003, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by Chef
The stock 450 I rode had nothin for bottom. Like it would just stall itself out if lugged. I also rode one with an HMF pipe, and it had a little more bottom, and ripped up top. Still didnt have the power of my EX or Banshee, and definitely not my R, but it does have a TON more than the raptor.

Well the couple that I have ridden felt pretty good to me, not as much torque as my Raptor but a heck of alot more top end until wayyy up top the Raptor with a pipe barley edged out my buddies STOCK YFZ. Put a 13T front sprocket (stock is 14) and yo u will really feel the power down low, and it will not lug nearly as bad in the trails or in tight turns. I used to race in the 125cc Class and rode a Pro-Circuit (Head,Pipe, and Shock) CR 125 so all the 4 stroke quads feel pretty torquey to me LOL

Now don't get me wrong I want the 450R to be 10X's the quad as the YFZ but for now I have to give credit where credit is due; YFZ450.:grr:

ex kid

08-28-2003, 04:07 PM

ahhhh the honda is gonna be faster and better handling then the yammi. thats my opinion.price wise im guessing its gonna be about the same. even if its higher it wouldnt really matter. you wanna play you gotta pay. its just like cannondale,your gonna shell it out if you want a good bike. dont doubt honda they surprised the hell out of everyone with the 400ex.

yo joedirtball, you racing any time soon or ya punkin out.:huh

twisted threads

08-28-2003, 08:39 PM

joeroadking

08-29-2003, 02:06 AM

anyone have any real info about the actual 450? there must be a sighting some where!

08-29-2003, 02:33 AM

Here is some real info. I put a grand down at my dealer to secure mine! I don't know the price or the expected date. But I do know that I'll have one. HRC parts will be had also. :macho

joedirt

08-29-2003, 04:19 AM

HEY knickersracer27 I said trail riding you jackazz. maybe you starin at the computer to much or wackin yo pud. I SAID FOR TRAIL RIDING NOT RACING JACK... DUH

XANDADA

08-29-2003, 04:40 AM

trx450r

08-29-2003, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by HRC450R
Here is some real info. I put a grand down at my dealer to secure mine! I don't know the price or the expected date. But I do know that I'll have one. HRC parts will be had also. :macho

Thats what I love about NY, they don't screw around! You want to give 'em your money, they TAKE it!
I got on a waiting list at my dealer for $0 They are going to take deposits after they know what they are selling.

trx440

08-29-2003, 05:06 AM

My Honda Rep hasn't seen it. It has been in Phoenix without 450R plastic for a little R&D at you know who's Racing.

08-29-2003, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by joedirt
HEY knickersracer27 I said trail riding you jackazz. maybe you starin at the computer to much or wackin yo pud. I SAID FOR TRAIL RIDING NOT RACING JACK... DUH :huh i beleive you are the one that needs to either quit wakcen your pud or take a few steps away from the computer....i know you were talking about trail riding....and i never said one thing about racing now did i...you also stated they didnt ahave no bottom for trail riding....all i did was state that my ex was more than enough power everywhere..including bottom end....for trail riding...and im sure no one will be disapointed with either 450..and if they dont like all the top end...or want more..a simple 15 dollar front sprocket makes a world of difference...:rolleyes: i suggest you read posts thuroly (sp?) before you go calling someone an idiot....
http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/nacsracer27/1.jpg

z400ACDC

08-29-2003, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by remlapr
Did he say if the frame is Aluminum? I can't believe we still don't know this one piece of info for sure yet :mad:
The new Honda's that Tim Farr and Shane Hitt tested did not have aluminum frames. They said they were alot like the Yamaha(adjustable shocks, sits low...) The kick starter kicks forward like the old R.

joedirt

08-29-2003, 09:44 AM

KNICKERACER27 THUROLY is that like cromoly but only better. HOOKED ON PHONICS get it. You took offense to what i said fartn around trail rider....I have a C_dale rode YFZ and they don't have the trail puttin around torque like a 400ex THEY make up for that on mid and top...BLABLABLA P.S. school starts on tuesday you can't wait can you TOOL oh and for racin the TRX will be fine I'm sure.

08-29-2003, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by joedirt
KNICKERACER27 THUROLY is that like cromoly but only better. HOOKED ON PHONICS get it. You took offense to what i said fartn around trail rider....I have a C_dale rode YFZ and they don't have the trail puttin around torque like a 400ex THEY make up for that on mid and top...BLABLABLA P.S. school starts on tuesday you can't wait can you TOOL oh and for racin the TRX will be fine I'm sure. um wow...you realy are a total complete ****ing idiot....i said thoroly with (SP?) next to it...meaning I DONT KNOW HOW TO SPELL IT....and i took no offense to what you said about messing around on one of these newer quads....and i was not comparing the bottom end of any 400ex to a newer 450....i was comparing MY 416ex...witch has a 416 national engine....maybe your right..maybe the new 450's dont have as much bottom as they should...but like i already stated....a simple gear change that costs 15$ solves that problem...and im sure i will be impressed no matter what....so get your *** out of the corner..and go sit in your padded room....have a nice day

P.S school started monday of this week...:rolleyes:

Pahrump

08-29-2003, 10:06 AM

Easy ladies I would hate to get a sticky shutdown!!!!!:D

Pahrump

08-29-2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Regulator 250X
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, no matter who wins you are still retarded!!!

:blah:

08-29-2003, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by nacsracer27
maybe the new 450's dont have as much bottom as they should...but like i already stated....a simple gear change that costs 15$ solves that problem...

I don't know you and this is not a flame. Your statement is wrong.

A simple gear change has nothing to do with bottom end power. The first part of the rpm range is the bottom end. This can be increased with different things such as exhaust, intake spacers, porting, bore, carbs, cams, and other things and many different combinations of them all or even some of them. The only effect that gearing plays on the powercurve is that it can lengthen or shorten it considerably.

Hope I helped. :macho

dirtriderex

08-29-2003, 10:44 AM

LOL:p

08-29-2003, 10:48 AM

Pahrump

08-29-2003, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by HRC450R
I don't know you and this is not a flame. Your statement is wrong.

A simple gear change has nothing to do with bottom end power. The first part of the rpm range is the bottom end. This can be increased with different things such as exhaust, intake spacers, porting, bore, carbs, cams, and other things and many different combinations of them all or even some of them. The only effect that gearing plays on the powercurve is that it can lengthen or shorten it considerably.

Hope I helped. :macho

Your pretty smart and no you did not quote me from above but I will defend what I think he meant.

No a sprocket change will not actually give the motor more bottom power but it will feel like it does and will make it more rider friendly especially while going slow..

Have you ever raced a car or truck before, then changed gears, like a stock 5.0 lets just say an '89 5 speed that came stock with 2.73 rearend gears then put a set of 4.10's in it,

Well lets just say you can really spin the tires now, and now the engine does not make anymore power but it is getting to the ground quicker. (Being multiplied faster) Therefore it FEELS like it has alot more torque. Called SOTP (Seat Of The Pants) Dyno.

08-29-2003, 11:02 AM

Oh. The seat of the pants dyno! :D Ok. Resulting in a practically useless first gear and slower top speed in every gear. Yes it does make things more rider friendly for slower speeds and tight stuff.

Pahrump

08-29-2003, 11:08 AM

Ok well since you like to argue over the internet and I will not so be it.

But if you rode one or even just read a little about them at yfzcentral.com or bluetraxx.com you would know that it does not make first gear useless and even afte the sprocket change they are still getting a little over 70MPH out of them STOCK.

So I do not see much loss there........But then again I don't see to well!!!!!!!!

08-29-2003, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Pahrump
Ok well since you like to argue over the internet and I will not so be it.

But if you rode one or even just read a little about them at yfzcentral.com or bluetraxx.com you would know that it does not make first gear useless and even afte the sprocket change they are still getting a little over 70MPH out of them STOCK.

So I do not see much loss there........But then again I don't see to well!!!!!!!!

No. Don't take me wrong. I wasn't dissagreeing with you, nor was I arguing. I only go from experience and not what I read. Sorry for stating my opinion. :ermm: Thats great if it works well on the YFZ. It'll work fine on some others too. They are cheap enough to play with. Also...when somebody says bottom end. I think power-range. Sorry for that too.

Pahrump

08-29-2003, 11:13 AM

Well if it was experience and experience on that bike you would understand that the sprocket change does not really affect its top end but it does help pull it out of the hole a little better.:D

Maybe you have experienced different things than me.:blah:

I just hope the Honda is as good as the Yammy so I can just choose my color and I like RED.

08-29-2003, 11:18 AM

Gearing itself ALWAYS effects speed in all gears. That is my experience. :macho I am not going to argue with you anymore on a 100% proven fact.

08-29-2003, 11:18 AM

maybe i shoulda stayed out of this page:ermm:

ex kid

08-29-2003, 03:47 PM

you go n mess wit joedirt n u goin down ******:scary:

Moto440

08-29-2003, 04:07 PM

I talked to a Honda dealer, and he said dealers would only get info on the 10th. No quads. Just what I heard.

08-29-2003, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Moto440
I talked to a Honda dealer, and he said dealers would only get info on the 10th. No quads. Just what I heard.

Yeah...that's the way it works. If the release is official, then dealers will be placing orders there or soon after. If not, then there should be at least some new official info.

Cross our fingers! :macho

400grl

08-30-2003, 06:01 AM

Hey guys....I haven't seen where anyone has posted this yet, so here you go.....I just read this on another atv forum this morning......this was copied from ATV Action about the new 450r!!!...

"2004 HONDA TRX450R!
For high-performance quad riders, no machine has been as eagerly awaited as Honda's replacement for the legendary 250R. What kind of advances would Honda's mastery of ATV engineering and more than ten years of development time produce?
Now we know. Honda's 450R is no longer something we're hoping for, it's really coming. For now, this Honda-supplied drawing of the new model will have to satisfy your curiosity about what it looks like.

ENGINE
The engine is based on Honda's CRF450R motocross dirt bike, but it's an all-new engine/transmission unit made specifically for ATV use. Because Honda is so reliability-conscious, the TRX450R will probably have a beefed up clutch and transmission and probably more cooling capacity than the dirt bike.
In order to produce instant, two-stroke-like response, and to keep the engine light, the Honda 450 uses an unusual, single overhead cam, four-valve head. Two valves are operated directly by the cam and two are operated by short rocker arms. The Honda's lubrication system is also unlike typical for strokes. Separate oil supplies lubricate the engine and the transmission.

STARTING
The CRF450R dirt bike has no electric starter, but there appears to be a very electric-starter-looking case behind the cylinder on Honda's drawing of the TRX450R. However, don't be shocked to see a kickstart-only 450R.

REVERSE
Honda wouldn't release details on whether the new 450 has reverse or not. If it does, and Honda can keep the machine's weight similar to the Yamaha YFZ450, it would give the Honda a big edge in competition and play riding.

SUSPENSION
Honda is very serious about presenting the TRX450R as a race-ready machine, and it looks like the 450 has some impressive suspension hardware. The drawing clearly shows piggyback reservoir-equipped front shocks, and we expect they are fully adjustable and rebuildable. Previously, only the Yamaha YFZ450 offered suspension with these features on a mass-produced quad.

FRAME
Rumors about the new Honda included talk of an aluminum frame, which would match Honda's use of aluminum frames on its motocross dirt bikes. Honda's drawing of the 450 shows what looks to be a tubular steel frame.

PERFORMANCE PARTS
Honda will no doubt release the 450 in a quiet, off-road-legal form. We've already learned that Honda-engineered HRC performance parts will be available for the machine to bring out its full performance potential, just as the YFZ450 can be modified by Yamaha's GYT-R goodies.

MORE NEWS
More details are the 450 will become available in time for our next issue, so look for next month's ATV Action!"

How cool...... :D

08-30-2003, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by 400grl
Hey guys....I haven't seen where anyone has posted this yet, so here you go.....I just read this on another atv forum this morning......this was copied from ATV Action about the new 450r!!!...

"2004 HONDA TRX450R!
For high-performance quad riders, no machine has been as eagerly awaited as Honda's replacement for the legendary 250R. What kind of advances would Honda's mastery of ATV engineering and more than ten years of development time produce?
Now we know. Honda's 450R is no longer something we're hoping for, it's really coming. For now, this Honda-supplied drawing of the new model will have to satisfy your curiosity about what it looks like.

ENGINE
The engine is based on Honda's CRF450R motocross dirt bike, but it's an all-new engine/transmission unit made specifically for ATV use. Because Honda is so reliability-conscious, the TRX450R will probably have a beefed up clutch and transmission and probably more cooling capacity than the dirt bike.
In order to produce instant, two-stroke-like response, and to keep the engine light, the Honda 450 uses an unusual, single overhead cam, four-valve head. Two valves are operated directly by the cam and two are operated by short rocker arms. The Honda's lubrication system is also unlike typical for strokes. Separate oil supplies lubricate the engine and the transmission.

STARTING
The CRF450R dirt bike has no electric starter, but there appears to be a very electric-starter-looking case behind the cylinder on Honda's drawing of the TRX450R. However, don't be shocked to see a kickstart-only 450R.

REVERSE
Honda wouldn't release details on whether the new 450 has reverse or not. If it does, and Honda can keep the machine's weight similar to the Yamaha YFZ450, it would give the Honda a big edge in competition and play riding.

SUSPENSION
Honda is very serious about presenting the TRX450R as a race-ready machine, and it looks like the 450 has some impressive suspension hardware. The drawing clearly shows piggyback reservoir-equipped front shocks, and we expect they are fully adjustable and rebuildable. Previously, only the Yamaha YFZ450 offered suspension with these features on a mass-produced quad.

FRAME
Rumors about the new Honda included talk of an aluminum frame, which would match Honda's use of aluminum frames on its motocross dirt bikes. Honda's drawing of the 450 shows what looks to be a tubular steel frame.

PERFORMANCE PARTS
Honda will no doubt release the 450 in a quiet, off-road-legal form. We've already learned that Honda-engineered HRC performance parts will be available for the machine to bring out its full performance potential, just as the YFZ450 can be modified by Yamaha's GYT-R goodies.

MORE NEWS
More details are the 450 will become available in time for our next issue, so look for next month's ATV Action!"

How cool...... :D we already know all this...thats not facts..those are just guesses..written nice to make everyone think they have secret info

400ex45

08-30-2003, 06:49 AM

EXACTLY those are just guesses just as good as ours

TGW_400ex

08-30-2003, 06:52 AM

People stop fighting we all ride hondas so we should be happy:D

Pahrump

08-30-2003, 07:24 AM

Funny, I just got through reading all that crap over at ATV Connection and thought to myslf "Man this guy really spent some time in fantasy land trying to make this sound like he is a SECRET AGENT"

LOL:D

trx440

08-30-2003, 08:38 AM

I disagree.

When the Hi-Torque pubs talk about rumors, however vague they are, they almost always come to fruition. There is no doubt in my mind that the folks at Honda leak a little info just to keep us up on what is coming.

So whether it is 100% accurate, who knows? But you can bet the Editors of the mags know before we do. They know before the dealers do too.
If you think back to the release of the YFZ450, it was just a couple of weeks after we found out about it on the net that it was in the mags. I am in the advertising / publishing business, those ads and press releases were sitting on the editor's desk for upwards of 6 weeks.

About the drawing they released. That has received alot of flak from the readers of this and other sites which I have a hard time understanding. It is common practice for automotive companies to release artist's renderings of future products, why should it be any different here? We just tend to see spy photos of cars because unlike off-road bikes and atv's they need to be tested on the streets. ATV's are very easy to hide at off road test facilities in the southwest.

Last thing on the rumor mill. Kawasaki is working on their own Hi-Per quad which might use the 250F engine or a 2 stroke. We know they have experience with the 2 stroke from GNCC. I bet we will look back in 2 years and one of those bikes will be a reality.

oldsandman

08-30-2003, 04:57 PM

trx440, well put...well thought out!:)

08-31-2003, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by oldsandman
trx440, well put...well thought out!:)

I was thinkin' the same thing. I mean come on...how do they know: "Honda 450 uses an unusual, single overhead cam, four-valve head. Two valves are operated directly by the cam and two are operated by short rocker arms. The Honda's lubrication system is also unlike typical for strokes. Separate oil supplies lubricate the engine and the transmission."

That has got to come from somebody who knows.

08-31-2003, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by HRC450R
I was thinkin' the same thing. I mean come on...how do they know: "Honda 450 uses an unusual, single overhead cam, four-valve head. Two valves are operated directly by the cam and two are operated by short rocker arms. The Honda's lubrication system is also unlike typical for strokes. Separate oil supplies lubricate the engine and the transmission."

That has got to come from somebody who knows. i think thats how the dirtbike motor is

RoadkillerRyan

08-31-2003, 06:17 AM

so on sept 10 should i place my order on the 450r or should i wait or can i do it before sept 10th?

trx440

08-31-2003, 06:30 AM

Here's what I did: Gave two local dealers $100 each for the first 450R's that each one gets. It is a non-refundable deposit. I agree to buy the quad at MSRP, since they don't know how much the quad will cost as of now. If I don't like the quad or the price is too high, I'll just put the $100 towards a barrel of VP fuel and let someone else buy the quad.

So yes, your dealer will most likely take a deposit, just agree on a price so they don't try to add a dealer premium onto the MSRP. I would think that every dealer in the country will ask [at very least] MSRP. Dealers in AZ, SoCal and other big sport quad areas will probably try to get a little extra because of the season. That would be Dune Season.

Giz400ex

08-31-2003, 08:59 AM

I'm pretty sure its gonna be the 450r but I will laugh my *** off if its something different:D

balla250ex

08-31-2003, 11:05 AM

I never trust any information from ANY magazines... All they are is a cheap way for the companies to advertise...the more money they get from a manufacturer the better that manufacturers quads will appear in the mags.

I get all my information on forums such as this and actually seeing quads perform...Not from those BS magazines.

Admin

08-31-2003, 11:06 AM

Well if it was experience and experience on that bike you would understand that the sprocket change does not really affect its top end but it does help pull it out of the hole a little better.

A sprocket change can have a positve or negative effect on top speed of a atv. Whenever you raise or lower the number of teeth on a sprocket you are changing its ratio. The higher the ratio the more lowend power and less top end speed. The lower the ratio the faster the top end speed, but the lowend torque won't be there.

This topic is over and should be discussed in a new thread.

Thank You

balla250ex

08-31-2003, 11:08 AM

BOO YAH!!

Pahrump

08-31-2003, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by balla250ex
BOO YAH!!

Easy there with your big two-fiddy!!!

trx440

08-31-2003, 12:17 PM

Let's start a new thread. Low end, top end, if it's not between the air box and the tip of the exhaust it has nothing to do with the amount of power your engine produces.

balla250ex

08-31-2003, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Pahrump
Easy there with your big two-fiddy!!!

I know your jealous :devil:

I jus thought it was cool how the big ol' admin. told him off.

suzukiz400rider

08-31-2003, 01:38 PM

Ride a banshee:devil:

08-31-2003, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by suzukiz400rider
Ride a banshee:devil: :ermm:

balla250ex

08-31-2003, 02:53 PM

wtf is that supposed to mean? I have ridden a shee before.

sickmojave

08-31-2003, 02:59 PM

has any one heard if suzuki is going to make a 450? they need too so that kawisaki and artic cat can stay in the game:rolleyes:

balla250ex

08-31-2003, 03:04 PM

I don't think they should.... zuki, kawie, and ac all have basically the same quad out now, and copied the 400EX to start that trio... If any of those three release a 450 quad (prally suzuki first), we are gonna see 3 of the same 450cc four wheelers.

Maybe they will come out with they're own ideas tho.

Pahrump

08-31-2003, 03:13 PM

It has already been noted that Suzuki is going to have a 450 dirtbike and I expect them to build a quad also, and it is also noted on a few websites and in dirtwheels, i think, that suzuki and kawi are going different ways with the 450's but who knows

08-31-2003, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by sickmojave
has any one heard if suzuki is going to make a 450? they need too so that kawisaki and artic cat can stay in the game:rolleyes: have ever sat on an arctic cat? it feels nothing like sitting on a stock ex or z....i took a very close look at one already and the frames are nothing....they designed everything on their own...even though when i sat on it i hated it...i give them credit for designing their own stuff

balla250ex

08-31-2003, 03:15 PM

Then that would be awesome...but no more same quad stuff.

In that case...Honda needs to wait a little longer...or zuki and kawie are gonna perfect their imperfections just like they copied the 400EX.

Pahrump

08-31-2003, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by nacsracer27
have ever sat on an arctic cat? it feels nothing like sitting on a stock ex or z....i took a very close look at one already and the frames are nothing....they designed everything on their own...even though when i sat on it i hated it...i give them credit for designing their own stuff

Actually the Artic Kitten DVX plastics and seat will fit right on the Z400 and KFX so the frames must be pretty close to the same?:blah:

08-31-2003, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by balla250ex
Then that would be awesome...but no more same quad stuff.

In that case...Honda needs to wait a little longer...or zuki and kawie are gonna perfect their imperfections just like they copied the 400EX. do you think the new yamaha frames wasnt bsaed on the 400ex or 250r's desgin? all companies use whats best...then do their best to make improvements....ive ridden a z..and it did feel like it handled better than my ex...im sure the arctic cat was based on the honda design..but they made it completely different in an attempt to make it great....lets put you in the shoes of suzuki...there first 2 attempts for a quad sucked....so they use a reliable engine superios to the 400ex, update the frame a little bit (but obviously made it weaker) and just like that..there back in the game and made tons of money off their product..doesnt that seem like a good idea if you were in charge of a quad company and only in it for the money?

08-31-2003, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Pahrump
Actually the Artic Kitten DVX plastics and seat will fit right on the Z400 and KFX so the frames must be pretty close to the same?:blah: have you looked at the new arctic cat..up close..examined the front end..their completley different...maybe the tops are the same..but i doubt the top has a lot to do with how it handles

balla250ex

08-31-2003, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by nacsracer27
do you think the new yamaha frames wasnt bsaed on the 400ex or 250r's desgin? all companies use whats best...then do their best to make improvements....ive ridden a z..and it did feel like it handled better than my ex...im sure the arctic cat was based on the honda design..but they made it completely different in an attempt to make it great....lets put you in the shoes of suzuki...there first 2 attempts for a quad sucked....so they use a reliable engine superios to the 400ex, update the frame a little bit (but obviously made it weaker) and just like that..there back in the game and made tons of money off their product..doesnt that seem like a good idea if you were in charge of a quad company and only in it for the money?

That is what I meant...Honda needs to wait so they can be on top again...and fix the things that yfz450 and the other models to come have problems with. :macho

Pahrump

08-31-2003, 03:29 PM

I did not EXAMINE the frame but my wife has a Z and my buddy has a DVX and we already put the plastic on the Z to see what it would look like because you can take the fenders off of the DVX plastic to make it like a race cut.

You see or the dunes she wants Black racecut plastic and I figured that since the DVX base color is black that I could just get that plastic, that is why we tried, plus the seat on the DVX is a little more racey.

86350x

08-31-2003, 04:27 PM

trx440

08-31-2003, 07:57 PM

I think the difference in the AC DVX and the Kawazuki twins is the rear fender mounting/support braces. It allows the AC to go fenderless in the rear whereas the Kawazuki is unable to do the same.

That's my translation of what I've read.

mall0y

09-01-2003, 03:02 AM

i just hope it comes out soon soo i can get my 400ex :D

trx450r

09-01-2003, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by balla250ex
That is what I meant...Honda needs to wait so they can be on top again...and fix the things that yfz450 and the other models to come have problems with. :macho

Not...

Like the whole Honda R+D team sits around for 10 yrs waiting for someone to make a faster quad then copy it with a few "fixes" so they can make a better product. ROFLMAO! Sounds like some other companies, but NOT HONDA

Did Honda copy ANY of the later releases like the Raptor? They even let the Banshees have the run of the 2 stroke market for years (market that is...not game)

They have had the TRX plans on the table for years, and have been testing finished products long enough to get it right.
The time is right! Bring it on!

Punk'd

09-01-2003, 08:16 AM

im going crazy!!!!:eek2:

TeamC&GRacer

09-01-2003, 10:18 AM

Are there any acutal specs or any real pictures of the new honda yet? Sorry i just dont wanna skim through the 42 pages in this thread.. lmao...

09-01-2003, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by TeamC&GRacer
Are there any acutal specs or any real pictures of the new honda yet? Sorry i just dont wanna skim through the 42 pages in this thread.. lmao... nope..nopthing is released until the 10th..people claim they know sources that have inside info from another source...but its all BS..no one knows a damn thing except for honda:o

balla250ex

09-01-2003, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by trx450r
Not...

Like the whole Honda R+D team sits around for 10 yrs waiting for someone to make a faster quad then copy it with a few "fixes" so they can make a better product. ROFLMAO! Sounds like some other companies, but NOT HONDA

Exactly, do you think kawasaki and suzuki are going to sit around also?? Did'nt think so. And the reason why they did'nt respond to the Raptor and such is the same reason the 450R has taken so long...the 400EX has been doing so well they still had great sales. :blah:

Rrider4life8

09-01-2003, 11:33 AM

THE NEW HONDA WILL RUN LIKE A RAPED APE AND HONDA WILL GET SOMEONE ON THAT BIA THAT WILL BUT THE YFZ IN ITS PLACE

HONDA FOR LIFE

RIDE RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

honda350r

09-01-2003, 12:04 PM

mall0y

09-01-2003, 12:32 PM

ahhah yeah please

Pahrump

09-01-2003, 12:42 PM

I want the Honda and I KNOW it will be great but if it is gonna be a month or so after the 10th till it comes out, I am gonna have to buy the Yammy.

Sorry Honda.......:(

skidplate

09-01-2003, 12:45 PM

I think what He is trying to say, is that the new Honda will be one bad ramma jamma. We will all find out soon. Knowing Honda, they shouldn't come out with something weak and popping out of gear. Go red !
JB

trx440

09-01-2003, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Rrider4life8
THE NEW HONDA WILL RUN LIKE A RAPED APE AND HONDA WILL GET SOMEONE ON THAT BIA THAT WILL BUT THE YFZ IN ITS PLACE

HONDA FOR LIFE

RIDE RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

STAND BACK PEOPLE!! I SPEAK JIVE!!

The new Honda will run like a raped ape and Honda will get someone on that [should have been "******"; or female dog to all you old Crackers] that will [should of been "put"] the YFZ in [should have been "it's"] place.

That's the Snizzo my Nizzos. Peace.

Ralph

09-01-2003, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by trx440

"it's"] place.

That's the Snizzo my Nizzos. Peace.

actualy it would be "its". "It's" would mean "it is".

Moto440

09-01-2003, 01:45 PM

I heard that on Doggy Fizzle TV..........:D

honda350r

09-01-2003, 02:21 PM

I was thinking about buying the YFZ450 until I went duning on one this weekend.

I like the power it makes but it handles like ***** !! Typical Yamaha JUNK ! I could only ride it for a very short time cause it hurt my back and wrist! I rode on of my 88 250rs and it is no comparison between the two as far as handling goes !

Honda will out handle the Yamaha! I don't know if they will make the power?

trx440

09-01-2003, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by Ralph
actualy it would be "its". "It's" would mean "it is".

Actually Ralph, It's is possesive in this case so it needs an apostrophe.

Guy400

09-01-2003, 02:39 PM

I had to brush away the cob webs in my head for this English lesson. "Its" and "It's" is one of those exceptions in our language and is often a gray area. It's, with an apostrophe, is a conjunction of 'it is' or 'it has'. While normally the apostrophe does signal possession it does not for this word. Its, without the apostrophe, is correct in this instance because "its" is an adjective and is the object in the sentence.

MOFO

09-01-2003, 02:41 PM

Guy400

09-01-2003, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by MOFO
:huh thanks, now I have a headache...

;) Try beer, it numbs my head:)

But let's get this thread back on track. I'm not going to bash the YFZ, it's a very nice bike. I'm glad to see Yamaha go with a formula that works. The bittersweet irony that Honda faces is the TRX450R frame probably won't be revolutionary in any sense of the word. Yamaha is given great credit for the YFZ frame but the advancement is relative. The YFZ frame is leaps and bounds ahead of the Banshee, Raptor, Warrior or Blaster but it's roughly the same geometry that Honda's used since 1986. I can tell you right now what we're going to hear about the TRX450R--"it's just a warmed over 400EX frame" while in reality so is the YFZ. The frames could be nearly identical and Yamaha will get credit for their R&D and Honda will get ridiculed for using an existing frame and making some subtle changes. It's like Ford jumping from a Mustang to a GT90 and Ferrari going from a F50 to a revised F50. At the end of the day the 2 cars perform nearly the same but Ford gets more credit because of where they started from. The simple fact of the matter is that if Honda produces a quad that handles any better than the 250R or 400EX they've accomplished their goal. If that means making changes in millimeters to the 400EX frame than so be it. You'd still be riding the best handling frame on the market, warmed over EX or not.

trx440

09-01-2003, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Guy400
I had to brush away the cob webs in my head for this English lesson. "Its" and "It's" is one of those exceptions in our language and is often a gray area. It's, with an apostrophe, is a conjunction of 'it is' or 'it has'. While normally the apostrophe does signal possession it does not for this word. Its, without the apostrophe, is correct in this instance because "its" is an adjective and is the object in the sentence.

Without refering to my Writer's Handbook, I don't know for sure if "it's" was used correctly. Had it been the subject of the sentence, it would have called for an apostrophe for sure. The question is, does it require the apostrophe being that it is not only the adjective but a possesive pronoun in this sentence.

BTW, "it's" when refering to "it is" and "it has" is a contraction not a conjuction. I'm sure you knew that, it's one of those word groups that can be easily misused.

I think it's good to see these little spars and debates from time to time here in the forums. Lord knows some of these kids write more on these threads than they do at school. Maybe they will see that proper grammar or at least the attempt to be proper is something to strive for.

Now, back to the topic.

I hope that Honda narrows the frame rails of the EX design, mimicking the aftermarket frames. Add some long travel a-arms that won't need to be replaced and some 19" shocks [the shocks need to be either fully adjustable, Axis quality or throw aways like the EX's to save $$]. I know the YFZ has the best a-arm/shock combo of any Japanese quad in history but if I bought one, I would still replace the front end because they are not up to par with the aftermarket long travels. Once you have ridden a quad equipped with a 50", fully adjustable, long travel front end you will never ride anything else. [unless you are a woods rider/racer of course]

honda350r

09-01-2003, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by trx440

I would still replace the front end because they are not up to par with the aftermarket long travels. Once you have ridden a quad equipped with a 50", fully adjustable, long travel front end you will never ride anything else. [unless you are a woods rider/racer of course]

50" of full travel ?? I don't think Robby Gordons baja truck has that much travel!

Why would you need that much travel?

Pahrump

09-01-2003, 04:54 PM

He did not mean 50" up and down he meant 50" WIDE!!!:blah:

trx440

09-01-2003, 05:02 PM

Yes I meant width. 50" is still the AMA limit isn't it?

guedo

09-01-2003, 07:48 PM

I agree with guy400on the frame deal. The 400ex in my opinion was second only to the 250R in handling and I think that is more of weight issue. If you cannot improve on the proven best, why change it?

A few things I would like to see improved on is (1) The suspension travel, at least 10 inches combined with a 46 - 47" stance. (2) improve the rear suspension so it dont kick so much (3) a tank that holds a minimum of 3 gallons of fuel (4) dont water down the motor causing us to spend money for motor mods when we could be using that cashola getting to the races and kicking the competetions arses.(5) hide the battery and (6) send it to weight watchers to cut the fat.

I am not worried at all. We all expect the new Honda to be great and when we finally see that it is we will have to give credit where credit is due; cdale, predator,z400 and the yammi have all upped the ante and forced Honda to play their hand. I bet Honda is holding a Royal Flush.

Guy400

09-01-2003, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by trx440
Without refering to my Writer's Handbook, I don't know for sure if "it's" was used correctly. Had it been the subject of the sentence, it would have called for an apostrophe for sure. The question is, does it require the apostrophe being that it is not only the adjective but a possesive pronoun in this sentence.
Merriam-Webster describes "its" as: "of or relating to it or itself especially as possessor, agent, or object of an action <going to its kennel> <a child proud of its first drawings> <its final enactment into law> Function: adjective." Again, I gotta lot of cob webs up there:D

09-02-2003, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by guedo
I agree with guy400on the frame deal. The 400ex in my opinion was second only to the 250R in handling and I think that is more of weight issue. If you cannot improve on the proven best, why change it?

I also agree on the frame deal. I also think that the 400EX is second to the R in handling because of weight and however...the geometry itself. The R's sit lower...that's a fact.

Maybe, Honda had to accomidate for the massive head of the 400 4-Stroke. The only way to go was up (and a little forward) really.

Pahrump

09-02-2003, 02:40 AM

Well as far as the frame goes I had hoped for a lightweight alluminum frame, and I know that no one knows for sure but I am pretty sure that from what a few folks say that it is going to be steel.

Oh well I am sure it will have good geometry....

Scottie Mac

09-02-2003, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by trx440
STAND BACK PEOPLE!! I SPEAK JIVE!!

The new Honda will run like a raped ape and Honda will get someone on that [should have been "******"; or female dog to all you old Crackers] that will [should of been "put"] the YFZ in [should have been "it's"] place.

That's the Snizzo my Nizzos. Peace.

HAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH AHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHA

That is jive. I thought it was preteenease. Man that was funny.

Scott

09-02-2003, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by Pahrump
Well as far as the frame goes I had hoped for a lightweight alluminum frame, and I know that no one knows for sure but I am pretty sure that from what a few folks say that it is going to be steel.

Oh well I am sure it will have good geometry....

Me too buddy....me too...:macho

Ralph

09-02-2003, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by Guy400
Merriam-Webster describes "its" as: "of or relating to it or itself especially as possessor, agent, or object of an action <going to its kennel> <a child proud of its first drawings> <its final enactment into law> Function: adjective." Again, I gotta lot of cob webs up there:D

"and put the yamaha in its place"

trx440

09-02-2003, 03:54 AM

Ralph,
Come on now, you thought I was misusing a contraction.

Guy,
Actually, Webster uses <a dog wagging its tail> which is the same as this case so it is without an apostrophe.

Giz400ex

09-02-2003, 04:12 AM

O........M...........G!:huh You guys are killing me:D :D

09-02-2003, 08:18 AM

take it easy guys...i have trouble passing english:ermm:

sparky450AR

09-02-2003, 09:25 AM

it would be awesome if it was aluminum....cannondale will still have them beat in the frame department.....that will kinda stink

Dave400ex

09-02-2003, 09:56 AM

8 more days. I can't wait to see a full spec sheet.

balla250ex

09-02-2003, 10:00 AM

Nor can I...I just hope it is going to be an aluminum frame no matter what people say.

And c'mon guys -- is the english lesson necessary?

dirtriderex

09-02-2003, 10:39 AM

Damn I not going to work that day, I dedicating it to honda:blah:

remlapr

09-02-2003, 11:09 AM

I still can't believe the lack of details - somebody has to know more then they are saying :cuss:

Guy400

09-02-2003, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by remlapr
I still can't believe the lack of details - somebody has to know more then they are saying :cuss: Is it possible that I've got the press release photos of the new Honda already the same way I had them of the YFZ over a month before its release? Hmm....

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid77/p6d7410f5ae7a4278665a4d3b19ab2d13/fb33ab26.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid77/pb1a69d2dc2d77526bd0696855c438ca1/fb33ab23.jpg

killer03_300ex

09-02-2003, 11:48 AM

dude comeon u cant do that its like gettin blue balled :(

09-02-2003, 11:50 AM

Dude, your personal messages are going to go a little nutz! What a tease!:D I spoken to someone who has seen those photos as well, won't divulge details, but said the "artist rendering" was a very close representation of what's to come. If I have to, I'll wait for 9-10, cause I won't be able to get one for a few months anyway.

09-02-2003, 11:52 AM

From that picture I can see Ohtsu tires, a brake resivoir, and handlebars. That has to be the most awesome thing ever created!

I just had to be a smart *****.:D

jamiesel

09-02-2003, 11:54 AM

if lots of people have the photos, they can get leaked... come on someone leak em.... do it anonomously but leak em already....

Emailem to; jamie_newman@hotmail.com

They will get leaked

Pahrump

09-02-2003, 11:55 AM

I do also believe that those are the real pice cause just today I went to buy some oil and I was talking to the salesman about trying to get into the show on the 10th and the owner just happened to be standing nearby and knows me and that I want the first 450R in the Las Vegas area. He told me that he had pics of in in his desk drawer but could not show anyone.

And he also said that it kinda looks like the drawing but not exactly but he would not tell me anything else.

RiPPiNiTuP7

09-02-2003, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by Guy400
Is it possible that I've got the press release photos of the new Honda already the same way I had them of the YFZ over a month before its release? Hmm....

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid77/p6d7410f5ae7a4278665a4d3b19ab2d13/fb33ab26.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid77/pb1a69d2dc2d77526bd0696855c438ca1/fb33ab23.jpg

even a retart could tell thats a 400ex :ermm: honda has the same pic right on their site.

TGW_400ex

09-02-2003, 12:10 PM

so r u tryin to say honda is realeasing another 400ex?:rolleyes:

JHF219

09-02-2003, 12:56 PM

WOW 45 pages and not a single solitary TRUE detail or PHOTO !!

RiPPiNiTuP7

09-02-2003, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by JHForman250R
WOW 45 pages and not a single solitary TRUE detail or PHOTO !!

imagine this thread after the 10th...im gonna guess it will have over 100 pages to it.

Dan_Guetter

09-02-2003, 01:05 PM

my guess......is that i know where i can see one.......but thats for me to know, and you guys to find out sept 10th

ghost_ryder

09-02-2003, 01:09 PM

yea those pics are from hondas website...thats a 400ex

exracer

09-02-2003, 01:11 PM

If those photos r real i would almost pay to see em.
please send them to dagenhart@bellsouth.net or Pm them to me:)

09-02-2003, 01:14 PM

why would you pay money to se something that comes out in 8 days? i think you guys are too impatient..sure i wouldnt mind to see it before everyone else...but its not worth paying extra for...8 days is not that long

JHF219

09-02-2003, 01:21 PM

the suspense is killing me !! no not really i dont care cause i cant afford one yet anyways ill stick with my trusty ol R

Guy400

09-02-2003, 01:22 PM

I can assure you that those pics are NOT from Honda's website. There's a handful of people on this forum that knew for a fact that I had Yamaha's press release photos before they were posted anywhere. The very photos I had wound up on Yamaha's site the night they announced it. Nearly all of Honda's press photos that go on the website have a bare white background and so do these;) Don't worry, next week we can all post pics without a fear of legal repercussions from Honda. You can believe these are actual photos or you can tell yourself they're not. We'll see on the 10th.

MOFO

09-02-2003, 01:25 PM

LMGDAO, this whole thread is killin me... Honda has got to be laughin there butt's off.... :devil:

Guy400

09-02-2003, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by MOFO
LMGDAO, this whole thread is killin me... Honda has got to be laughin there butt's off.... :devil: I'm laughing too because I'm not even buying one when it is released:D This is exactly the type of hype Honda is trying to drum up. Any conversation keeping prospective buyers away from the YFZ is exactly what Honda wants.

JHF219

09-02-2003, 01:49 PM

im sorry all i read was blah blah blah im going to tease you all :o

Moto440

09-02-2003, 02:44 PM

I love how people try and act like they know things that others don't so they can look cool. When in all actuality they know nothing at all. This whole thread has gotten out of control. It is cool for people to discuss and speculate on things, but when people who know nothing act like they know something that others don't it is ridiculous.:rolleyes:

RiPPiNiTuP7

09-02-2003, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Guy400
Any conversation keeping prospective buyers away from the YFZ is exactly what Honda wants.

their only holding me back until the 10th....after that...im gonna look both over, and go out and buy the one i feel is better:)

09-02-2003, 02:49 PM

everyone go to usercp..click the option for the most posts per page..this is only page 18 for me:o

RiPPiNiTuP7

09-02-2003, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by nacsracer27
everyone go to usercp..click the option for the most posts per page..this is only page 18 for me:o

ya well its 35 for me, and many others so ha.

jamiesel

09-02-2003, 08:29 PM

leak em...

Guy400

09-02-2003, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by Moto440
I love how people try and act like they know things that others don't so they can look cool. When in all actuality they know nothing at all. This whole thread has gotten out of control. It is cool for people to discuss and speculate on things, but when people who know nothing act like they know something that others don't it is ridiculous.:rolleyes: The part that really makes me laugh is that someone thinks I'd post Photoshopped pics of a quad so as to look "cool" on this site. No, those are not pics of the new Honda quad that I posted. That was a joke with another member on this board to see how crazy people went over the prospect of me having pictures of it. But, here are the facts: I did have the official press release photos of the YFZ450 over a month before its release but I gave my word to the source of those pictures that I wouldn't share them and I gave them to no one. In fact, there were only a couple of people who had these pics and we all talked to each other about them. So if I'd happen to have the pics of the Honda right now (saved on a removeable floppy ;) ) I certainly wouldn't post them on this site or even any images from those pics no matter how Photoshopped they were. When someone gives me something like this and says, "Please don't show these to anyone" I honor that request. I was talking to another member about how people are just salivating over any information they can get about this quad then we started laughing about how it's almost like how Hitler duped the German people. You tell them something long enough, no matter if it's right or wrong, and they'll eventually start to believe you.

forum

09-03-2003, 03:32 AM

guy400. Why even say you have the pictures?? your basically askin for it. Personaly i think you made a mistake braging that you had them. If you got em . fine. good. dandy. dont tell people you got them when you have no intention of showing them. I am aware you are a mod and have the power to boot me. I just wanted to share my opinion. mod or no mod.

I am one that wants to see these pictures too. but i can wait a few more days. Personaly i think we're gonna be exctied for about 2 seconds after we see the pictures. From what i can guess it aint gonna be that hot!. I hope im wrong cause i love Honda. but i doubt it'll be better then the yamaha. equal maybe. but as soon as somone thats willing to leak the pictures gets ahold of them. post em.

wilkin250r

09-03-2003, 05:45 AM

Personally, I think it was brilliant for Honda to issue the press release about their new quad. When Yamaha came out with their new quad, it was awesome. It really did raise the bar. Honda had to do something to keep prospective buyers in the market.

nakomis0

09-03-2003, 08:27 AM

Ok I got the inside scoop... mark my words...

The 450r is coming out, not sure any specs on it besides the 450 motor and it will of course be slightly slower than the yammi with not much outstanding, basically pretty equal with the yammi.

But the kicker is, there is also a 650ex coming out, electric start, with reverse.

So there you have it tell all your friends you heard it hear first. My source is very reliable, :confused2 , ok well not very reliable but...

Ralph

09-03-2003, 08:38 AM

heres what i was told but "THE ALMIGHTY RESPECTABLE SOURCE"

aluminum frame
not downtuned much
10 inches of travel all around
fully adjustable shocks
something else about the shocks is special and im not aloud to mention it.
IT will be a racequad, and the engine wont be much more reliable than the dirtbike motor. So it will need rebuilds more often like a 2-stroke...

and also i member from the bomb squad told me that there will be 2 diff pricetags... so either 2 versions of the 450 or a 650 and a 450.

09-03-2003, 08:56 AM

I heard the same thigs as you ralph. I think all of this is just so much fun. Everyone speculating, wanting info, but the only info they get are from unnsmed sources, so the messenger gats blasted for attempting to give the people what they want while still being able to keep the door open for future inside info.

All I have to say is many a Honda fan will be very happy, and everyone else will flame. The reverse/kickstart fans will have their questions answered and give the appropriate response. In one week all the visual questions will be answered.....then the wait for the all important "first ride" "is it better that the YZF" article in Dirty Wheels.

P.S. DW shows what kind of tools they are when on the cover with the AC DVX 400 test they put "Is it better than the Z400?"
It should read, "Same as the Z/KFX 400 with different plastics and seat!" That could have been the article right there!:macho

TGW_400ex

09-03-2003, 09:23 AM

650EX? there makin a 450 and 450's can beat a raptor so y would they make a 650? r u sure about ur sources?:huh

RiPPiNiTuP7

09-03-2003, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by TGW_400ex
650EX? there makin a 450 and 450's can beat a raptor so y would they make a 650? r u sure about ur sources?:huh

everyone has different tastes.

balla250ex

09-03-2003, 10:11 AM

I say throw a 650cc into a lightweight frame and wha-la. Might be to big to fit into the race classes -- but what about the big number of sport riders that don't race?? And once others see this hot beast they will make one and there will be tons of riders that want to race there BIG bore machines. So there will be a new Class at the GNCC's and so forth.

09-03-2003, 10:33 AM

The 650, If kept light and low would make an awesome Baja style racer. Massive travel, reasonable weight and a bulletproof motor would be just the ticket. Just look at the Bomb, it won yet it was a tank thanks to a reliable setup, the Raptor, a nice quad in it's own right has had some problems in the desert race realm but has the potential to be good.

If Honda were to build a 650, make it 46-48" wide and @ 52" wheelbase, that will accomodate both the desert and woods guys, with @12" of travel, seat height as low as poss. and a weight @380 and you got a winner.

remlapr

09-03-2003, 10:50 AM

Maybe they will surprise us all and anounce BOTH on the 10th - 450r for the mx guys and 650EX for the trail riders. The raptor is the #1 selling quad despite it's problems - I think a big reason for this is that big pretty 660 on the side of it. Honda's not stupid - they know this also, so why not make a quad meant to beat the raptor at it's own game.

TGW_400ex

09-03-2003, 10:54 AM

Ya it would be interesting but there is no real info out on Honda makin a 650EX on any sites

jamiesel

09-03-2003, 11:07 AM

650 would be cool because you could mod the engine to 100 horsies with turbos and all kinds of kool things...

balla250ex

09-03-2003, 11:28 AM

If they did release a 650 for the trail riders that would prally be the one I go after...

What if there is no 450R...what if they just did that to get you all in a tussey and release a 650...I know it is VERY unlikely, but hey, anything can happen.

09-03-2003, 11:40 AM

Yeah, this speculation on a 650 is only that, (don't everyone trip, it's only a fantasy at this point) I believe it could be translated into a great open class machine(Trail, Dune, Desert). Maybe someday Honda will give us the choice, until then 9-10 is the only thing that matters to most in this thread and all there is......is speculation.

:D

Guy400

09-03-2003, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by forum
guy400. Why even say you have the pictures?? your basically askin for it. Personaly i think you made a mistake braging that you had them. If you got em . fine. good. dandy. dont tell people you got them when you have no intention of showing them. I am aware you are a mod and have the power to boot me. I just wanted to share my opinion. mod or no mod.

Originally posted by Guy400
So if I'd happen to have the pics of the Honda right now (saved on a removeable floppy )I never said I had them, I implied that I might have them or I might not.

And I certainly wouldn't ban you for expressing your opinions.

300exjumper

09-03-2003, 02:36 PM

I tried telling you guys about this a long time ago. Last may in fact. I specifically said " Honda will release their new 450 in September of 2003", but all you guys did was badmouth me so I,ve just kept my mouth shut. Knowone will believe me but I have a pamplet right here in front of me that tells you all about the new 450r. But im not allowed to say anything about it due to legal reasons but I will tell you that It retails for $6,699.

P.S.-I bet that post is still on here
:cool:

Fred55

09-03-2003, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by 300exjumper
I tried telling you guys about this a long time ago. Last may in fact. I specifically said " Honda will release their new 450 in September of 2003", but all you guys did was badmouth me so I,ve just kept my mouth shut. Knowone will believe me but I have a pamplet right here in front of me that tells you all about the new 450r. But im not allowed to say anything about it due to legal reasons but I will tell you that It retails for $6,699.

P.S.-I bet that post is still on here
:cool:

He's right, he did say that...

09-03-2003, 03:46 PM

Fred55

09-03-2003, 03:58 PM

dirtriderex

09-03-2003, 04:01 PM

who do you work for and why won't you tell us more . PM me with specific details:devil:

09-03-2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by dirtriderex
who do you work for and why won't you tell us more . PM me with specific details:devil: do you think he would tel anyone about it? he cant becasue of legal matters....

bradley300

09-03-2003, 04:26 PM

a little off topic, but i love the quote in your sig^

lmgdao

09-03-2003, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by bradley300
a little off topic, but i love the quote in your sig^

lmgdao :cool:

Bretmd94

09-03-2003, 05:36 PM

one week.....

my b-day is tomorrow and i dont really care.... i just want sept 10th to get here...

its my 21st too. My drunkeness this weekend will make friday sat and sun a blurr.... :D

09-04-2003, 12:56 AM

If they make a 650....I would hope that it would be a R...no offense.

trueblue450

09-04-2003, 03:35 AM

Read the new dirtwheels.... they say the honda motor will be at par with the yfz at the best. Handling should be pretty similar I mean if any of you have actually rode a yfz you should know they handle great. The only plus i can see over the yfz is honda reliability.

this has probably been stated but there is 48 pages of crap i aint readin through!

jcv400ex

09-04-2003, 04:07 AM

See, this is what I do not understand. The CRF motor is the better motor! The YZF450 did not make a good impresison in either the SX series or the MX series. And we all know what the CRF did with Kevin Windham abord. Ferry and Vulliman did decent on the YZF, but the power of the CRF is un-matched. Windham could pull them in the straights soooo bad. And look how many pro ATV racers made the switch to the CRF motor. Byrd, Farr, etc. Dirt Wheels didn't do a very good report there.......

jmoney45

09-04-2003, 05:05 AM

jcv400ex

09-04-2003, 05:34 AM

Originally posted by Shift_DVS
my guess......is that i know where i can see one.......but thats for me to know, and you guys to find out sept 10th

My guess is your full of ****.....:o

robby26wi

09-04-2003, 06:08 AM

I have heard from a very respected aftermarket builder that peeps will be dissapointed with the new 450....If they are comparing it to the YFZ but we will see...

Bad Habit

09-04-2003, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by jcv400ex
Dirt Wheels didn't do a very good report there.......

Wow, there's a shocker:rolleyes:

balla250ex

09-04-2003, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by jcv400ex
Dirt Wheels didn't do a very good report there.......

They made the correct report...For YAMAHA that is...Yamaha sent them a bigger check in the mail than Honda, and so they are going to give Yamaha the edge. Had HONDA sent them the bigger check, the CRF motor would be way better. You get what I am saying?

RiPPiNiTuP7

09-04-2003, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by balla250ex
They made the correct report...For YAMAHA that is...Yamaha sent them a bigger check in the mail than Honda, and so they are going to give Yamaha the edge. Had HONDA sent them the bigger check, the CRF motor would be way better. You get what I am saying?

so yer saying dirtwheels takes bribes?:eek: :eek: :eek:

:devil:

balla250ex

09-04-2003, 07:54 AM

AB-SO-LUTE-LY

robby26wi

09-04-2003, 07:56 AM

Most all Mags have a buy out when it comes to writing articles...What i have heard about the Honda tho isnt a buy out deal...Its just what the owner of an aftermarket builder told my local race shop owner..

09-04-2003, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by RiPPiNiTuP7
so yer saying dirtwheels takes bribes?:eek: :eek: :eek:

:devil:

It's simple politics.....money talks. Whatever company is paying more NOW will get the nod for NOW....tomorrow may be different.

balla250ex

09-04-2003, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by HRC450R
It's simple politics.....money talks. Whatever company is paying more NOW will get the nod for NOW....tomorrow may be different.

You hit the nail on the head.

Scottie Mac

09-04-2003, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by jcv400ex
See, this is what I do not understand. The CRF motor is the better motor! The YZF450 did not make a good impresison in either the SX series or the MX series. And we all know what the CRF did with Kevin Windham abord. Ferry and Vulliman did decent on the YZF, but the power of the CRF is un-matched. Windham could pull them in the straights soooo bad. And look how many pro ATV racers made the switch to the CRF motor. Byrd, Farr, etc. Dirt Wheels didn't do a very good report there.......

Huh? Go to any local track and see what the average guy is racing and winning on. That is like saying the Taurus is SOOOOO much better than the Monte Carlo because Matt Kennseth is whipping everyone's ***** in NASCAR. Like I have said before, you really think the KX125 is the best 125cc bike around just because Bubba is so dominant? I ride both a YZ426 based quad and a CRF450 based quad (a friends) and they very similar in terms of power, it is just made in different spots. The Honda has more initial power off idle, but the Yamaha has better mid and top end pull. This is why the YZ based quads do so well in TT events over crfs. Tha Yamaha does tend to stall easier and needs more maintenance as far as rebuild (dual cam motor, 5 vavles, etc) and you have to use an external oil tank.

If the new TRX is a true knock off of the CRF450, I hope they put an external oil tank on it (without one it holds too little oil, this is why you see so many crf quads fail mechanically) and I hope is rocks. Competition breeds better bikes, period. The big challenge is for the Honda to handle as good as the YFZ. (wow, 5 years ago that statement would have been umheard of) All the motor in the world won't be worth anything if it isn't at least on par with the handling of the YFZ. If it handles that good, with a good crf based motor, we will then have two great choices as to which machine to get. Blue or red, more than likely you will be doing pretty good.

Scott

robby26wi

09-04-2003, 08:35 AM

You cant even begin to bring Nascar or most any other motor sport in with the way the motorcross or supercross bikes are because most any good pro rider could go out and buy a showroom bike and just revalve the suspension and still get a top 10 and with anything like Nascar or Offroad racing is not even in the same league as far as showroom stuff goes...

Scottie Mac

09-04-2003, 08:42 AM

Robbi,

Let me translate for you. What I meant was that the riders on the bikes mean 1000% more than what type of bikes they are riding. Motocross more than any other sport is 99% rider and 1% bike. And if you think you can build a bike like the one the top pros are riding you have a lot to learn. Bubbas 125 is worth like 50 grand and a top 450 built bike is even more. The analogy about NASCAR was that those cars are about as close to a car you can buy down and ford and chevy as the top pro motocross bikes are that you and I can buy at our local bike shop.

Scott

ELANSS

09-04-2003, 08:46 AM

Maybe this was already posted but I just talked to my dealer and it sounds like this will be kickstart only and sounds like a tamer version with electric start and maybe reverse in the future. I have spoken for the first one he gets!! Can't wait!!:cool:

robby26wi

09-04-2003, 08:46 AM

50 grand lmao...I think You better knock some off of that...Like 30 grand...Sure he has alotta R&D in it but thats pro circuits deal.....50,000 in hard parts is a bit off...Bubba could ride a showroom stock kx125 and still be competitive..

Scottie Mac

09-04-2003, 08:50 AM

Without R&D you have no bike. I guess I should have said 50 grand invested in getting the bike to the line.

Scott

Moto440

09-04-2003, 11:41 AM

I have heard the dollar amounts on these bikes more than once. I heard you could not touch Ricky's CR for 50 grand, and I have heard it takes a minimum of thirty to be competitive with the other bikes. Bubba would bear most people if he was riding an XR50, but don't be mistaken. That bike he rides is far from what you can buy at a dealer. Those bikes have exotic materials and are tuned to the max. Bubbas bike would run stronger than a 250 off the showroom floor in every way.

forum

09-04-2003, 12:12 PM

YOu guys just don't understand. with the most expensive parts you couldn't spend 50,000 on a dirtbike. Unless you gold plated it or somthing. that being said. THe only way they could aproach to spend half that is if most of the trany was titanium and most of the rest of it was carbon fibre.

But they don't have any visable parts that arnt pretty run of the mill. when they say $50,000. they include all other stupid costs like, replacing parts when they break ect.

Ralph

09-04-2003, 12:37 PM

deegans bike was totaly customed by jesse james and they said it cost 25 grand....

Guy400

09-04-2003, 12:59 PM

I read an article in Supercross magazine or Dirt Rider that was giving the breakdown on the factory works bikes from Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and KTM. They said that nearly nothing internally is stock. Many of the parts are one-of-a-kind titanium and other alloys. Aftermarket manufacturers don't even make these parts, the factories produce them themselves. They are even using trick engine cases that the public can't even get ahold of. I don't remember the cost of these bikes but I want to say it was in excess of $35k.

Scottie Mac

09-04-2003, 01:17 PM

The one off Honda Recon that won the Baja had a set of shocks that were one off that I think cost a mint. Someone on here has to remember that article. They were made specifically for Honda.
With the right amount of one off parts, titanium and other crap, I really don't think it would be that hard to spend 50 g's. Hell one year Kawi had VP racing fuels make fuel that only they could use. I doubt very seriously that for VP to make a special blend of fuel they would have done it cheap.

Scott

TGW_400ex

09-04-2003, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by trueblue450
Read the new dirtwheels.... they say the honda motor will be at par with the yfz at the best. Handling should be pretty similar I mean if any of you have actually rode a yfz you should know they handle great. The only plus i can see over the yfz is honda reliability.

this has probably been stated but there is 48 pages of crap i aint readin through!

I dont see this:huh

trx440

09-04-2003, 02:53 PM

AMA bikes are not as exotic as MotoGP or Japanese national bikes where anything goes but they are basically still "priceless". If you can't get Ricky's or Bubba's hand made shocks or forks, how do you determine a price tag for them??? Those items might cost the factory over $100,000 when time, materials and R&D is figured in.

Mike LaRocco get's a couple of sets from the Factory every year and when the season is over he must send the forks and shock back.

The "factory knock-off's" the Privateers use are well over $10,000. You could buy these from the likes of Mitch Payton if he had the time or you were his neighbor or something.

Most of you guys hadn't been weened yet when there were REAL WORKS BIKES in the states. Back in the late 70's thru the mid 80's the Japs brought in the hand made - one of a kind hardware for the factory riders. Kawasaki had the SR 250, Honda the RC 250, Yamaha the OW 250 and Suzuki the RA 250. Each of these bikes were hand built pieces of art. Prices for those bikes were reported over $1,000,000 because of the time, effort and resources put into them. They were definitely built from "unobtanium".

JHF219

09-04-2003, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by TGW_400ex
I dont see this:huh

Its in the WIDE OPEN section !

300exjumper

09-04-2003, 03:26 PM

Now that I know there are people out there who have faith, I will tell you a little more. There is a 650 on the way but not very soon. It will be able to run with the big dogs!!!!

P.S.-I know much more about both of these quads and really want to say more, but I can't say anything about it on the web

dirtriderex

09-04-2003, 04:08 PM

When will you 650 guys learn bigger is not better:macho

09-04-2003, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by dirtriderex
When will you 650 guys learn bigger is not better:macho when will you learn the 650 is a baja machine....it is better

jamiesel

09-04-2003, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by dirtriderex
When will you 650 guys learn bigger is not better:macho

Don't be naive, did someone tell you size don't matter. They were just being nice to you. Size at least can equal potential.:blah: j/k

trx440

09-04-2003, 05:22 PM

Does anybody here work for Trader Publishing / Cycle Trader?

PM me if you do and tell me what you guys got today from Honda. I'll tell you if we got the same thing.

300exJumper,

Will you be able to tell us anything about the TRX650EX after the 10th? We received no info about this quad today. Do you work for a plastic company in the Springfield area??

joedirt

09-04-2003, 05:52 PM

factory dirt bikes use alot of magnesium there cases hubs they also use titanium but they do have to make weight for there classes. The things that are trick in factory bike are trannies, cranks, and ignitions things that you don't see inside of the suspension. quads will get there one day again!

wilkin250r

09-05-2003, 11:27 AM

I don't think the $50 grand is that far fetched, because they also factor in the labor time. Think about a stroker crank. It is a $200 crank with $300 worth of machining work done to it. Between trueing the crank, undercutting the gears, you can spend thousands of dollars in an engine without actually replacing anything. Now factor in the costs of replacing stuff, and it's not hard to spend $15,000 in the engine alone. And that labor isn't cheap, these engine builders are high-dollar professionals. Now do the same thing with the frame, with the suspension, it's not hard to see 50K go by pretty quick.

goin2shock

09-05-2003, 06:43 PM

just got my 4 wheel atv action and in the special delivery section they said there will be no 04 CRF ATV........
I say we all go email them and tell them THERE IS and its called 450R!
get them here
atv@hi-torque.com or
http://4wheelatv.com/contact.asp

we all need to get em!!!
I am now going to cancel this mag is a worthless peice of crap!

86atc250r

09-05-2003, 07:00 PM

They already know :)

http://www.4wheelatv.com/detail.asp?id=123

balla250ex

09-06-2003, 06:56 PM

5 days guys, 5 days! :D

Pro400EXC

09-06-2003, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by wilkin250r
I don't think the $50 grand is that far fetched, because they also factor in the labor time. Think about a stroker crank. It is a $200 crank with $300 worth of machining work done to it. Between trueing the crank, undercutting the gears, you can spend thousands of dollars in an engine without actually replacing anything. Now factor in the costs of replacing stuff, and it's not hard to spend $15,000 in the engine alone. And that labor isn't cheap, these engine builders are high-dollar professionals. Now do the same thing with the frame, with the suspension, it's not hard to see 50K go by pretty quick.

I am w/ you guys...I am a quad racer,but i am way into the MX and SX dirtbikes....

I belive Carmicheals CR250 value is at $80k...Lets see not only does his CR contain magnesium,titanium,carbon fiber,and etc. it has so much electical stuff,like traction control,electronic throttle positioning systems,and so on and so on...

The frames on all the bieks are actually stock,but Honda looks at every cr and crf frame that comes off the line,and pics THE BEST ones there are...

I belive Ramsey's CRF carb is magnesium,and it has a tag of $10K

Also the forks on the facotry bikes are like 5k and the shocks are like 1k....you can buy a set of factory knock-off pro circuit forks for $3k,but there still not "factory forks"

Basiclly the only thing thats the same on Joe Blows CR250 and Carmicheals is the bars,plastic,and frame...heck even the tires are factory only units....

So you see it is not a stretch that the factory bikes are $50K plus..