New 1/8 mile times today... [Archive]

JustRace

05-25-2003, 12:39 PM

Can you post a time slip of your run? Because i don't know how you can only run upper 8's with having such a good 60'ft time and such a high trap speed. The reason I ask is because that there was mildly built drag banshee at the strip last friday night and he was running 8.024 at 85.69mph and ran a 8.023 at 84.49mph. Then the second fastest banshee was only running 9.294 at 68.87mph.

I'm just curious on how you do it because it seems like with your 60'ft time being low and your trap speed being high that you should be running low 8's. Can you post your 330ft time too? I'm just extremely curious on how you do it. What is your gearing and everything?

mikeboone

05-25-2003, 02:54 PM

Check out www.atvnc.com for references--they all know my quad and the speed it goes. (I use the same s.n there) I am currently running 16/36 gearing and 18" Hoosier slicks. 710 Dragstrip is located near Lumberton, NC on Hwy 710 www.710dragstrip.com

I cant help you with my slip as we dont have a scanner and this track doesent provide 330 ft times.

My previous setup with the 416 bore and stock carb with 6 ply tires ran a 9.53 at 77 mph at that track with 16/38 gearing. I have the same problem keeping the front down as the last setup. I have to let off the gas to get the front back down which is keeping my et lower than it could be.

JustRace

05-25-2003, 03:42 PM

I didn't see that the track was NHRA certified. I am just having a hard time seeing you pulling such a high trap speed. A 9.5et should be from around 64 to 68mph. I don't see how you run 10mph over that. I'm not trying to cause problems but its just amazing that your quad can pull that. 86atc250r ran a 9.59 at 66.86mph. I don't see how your quad can rev fast enough to pull that high of a trap. The fastest i have been able to hit is 65.3mph and that was at 10.061 (have a little traction problem lol)

I would just like to see a picture of the timeslip, do you have a digital camera? Well no matter what you have a killer quad. I should have my 18" hoosiers in two weeks.

mikeboone

05-25-2003, 03:53 PM

Here are a couple pics of it:http://www.atvnc.com/yabbse/index.php?board=13;action=display;threadid=715

We dont have a digital camera either--I had to get these pics developed and scanned by a friend to post at that time. I will see if someone close by has a scanner so I can post the slips this week. I have ridden alot of different quads but have never been on one that hits like mine:D

markeg192

05-25-2003, 04:45 PM

If you have a hard time keeping the front end down how is you 60 ft 1.8 ? The speed has to be off by about 10 mph.

mikeboone

05-25-2003, 05:12 PM

Markeg--The speed is correct; not some "I drove beside my brothers ranger and he clocked me" I dont need any 2nd guessers. I only posted this for others to see how everyones times compare. If you cant get 80 mph with 16/36 gearing on your quad maybe you need a new mechanic??? Stock gearing is 15/38. You or I CANNOT get much over 65 with this setup.. I am not some 17 yr old with a bag of pipe dreams...I guess when the State trooper pulls you for speeding you tell him his radar is wrong too??:rolleyes:

JustRace

05-26-2003, 06:15 AM

That is definately a very VERY nice EX. I love those front tires. How much has your quad been lightened, and how much do you weigh? I keep thinking the same thing, that you are running about 10mph to fast. I would have no problem at all believing a 73mph run from you with that time. I know your quad can run the speed you posted because its geared for such high speed, i just don't see how your quad has enough power with that gearing to hit that high of a speed in the 1/8th mile.

Do you think that the tracks timing could be off? I noticed it didn't say anything about the track being NHRA, so could the places that are recording the speed be different? Everything seems right but your speed.

Well no matter what good runs, try to help us out all you can with the info because i want to run that fast too. lol I have a 16t sprocket i could put on but i'll wait till i make some runs once i get my 18" hoosiers.

mikeboone

05-26-2003, 07:53 AM

I run Pirelli fronts--they weigh about 8 lbs less EACH than stock and the rear Hoosiers do the same. (I weigh 140 pounds roughly) I have removed:rear brake setup incl master cyl-tool box-seat bracket-lights,etc.

If you really want power and speed you have to remove items you dont need and setup the quad or the type of racing. I have a 11.2:1 Ross piston with the deck cut .030 and thin head gaskets which puts it around 11.5:1 compression actual. If you are using Wiseco; you are probably only about 10.5:1 with the 89mm piston. 710 Dragstrip does not run IHRA nor NHRA so you wont see either logo--it does use the same type equipment and tree however. (finding an NHRA track is rare as they are only about 4 in my state and are usually 1/4 mile and most dont allow quads to run) You have to practice alot to get good mph and times--try to upshift with just slight clutch. I run Sunoco 102 Leaded fuel and Motul racing oil. Dont forget to remove your skid plate/s. I have also removed the airbox lid and snorkle tube as well as the crank tube from crank to airbox. (you will need a K&N breather filter for this)

I plan to go to Mooresville Dragway next week to test and tune. This is an IHRA track Am I going to be upset if the times are down and mph is around 73? Nope...Are either of you going to believe it will run 82-83 in the 1/8? probably not...

Red00Honda400EX

05-26-2003, 10:16 AM

Man either you have the goofiest quad ever or something seems up. I'm not going to question you as I don't know you. I've seen banshees run in the 8's and only run 77-78mph with no front end problems. My guess is they were cutting about a 1.5-6 60ft time to get that run. You're cutting 1.8's if I remember right and still only running a 9.5@83 or something around that. Thats just weird. I cut a 2.015 as my best 60ft time ran a 9.6@66 (the same run) and I don't have much of a front end problem. Just like anything else you have to develope the skills to launch on pavement (it really relates to launching on ice, where as you have to ride the clutch and feather the gas to get a good launch) It just seems the numbers don't match up. For a favor to us all, I know I'd like to see, could you see about getting a digital camera, borrow one from a friend or something, and taking it to the track? If you could that would be great if not then thats cool too. Props on a nice bike also.

mikeboone

05-26-2003, 10:23 AM

416 bore-Holshot tires-stock height-- time was 9.53 at 77 mph with 2.01 60 ft time

440 bore-FCR carb-4" drop-30 pound loss-slicks-36 rear sprocket best time is 8.71 at 83.13 mph

You can see my other mods in my sig

mikeboone

05-26-2003, 10:31 AM

One thing you must keep in mind is the gearing used. I could run stock gearing and max out very quickly with a speed near 65-67 but the et would be limited also. If I am maxed out at the 500ft mark it is going to take much longer to go the last 160 ft at 67 instead of what my quad can really turn with higher gearing. I am playing around with the gearing to see what yields the best et as 100 mph wont win bracket racing--the ET is what brings the cash home :cool: If a stock 400ex will go 67; you dont think going up 1 tooth on the front and down 2 on the rear would give more than low 70's mph?? :rolleyes: You want the quad to max out mph just b4 the speed traps; not halfway down the track as what would happen if I run the gearing some of you do. If you are going 66 mph and I am going 77; who you think will have the lowest time?

JustRace

05-26-2003, 01:33 PM

Mike if you read my post i wasn't questioning if your quad could run that high of a speed. I am questioning how your quad can get going that fast in that short of amount of length. I can barely shift into 5th before i finish. I am asking how do you pull that. You are pulling harder than built banshees. It seems that you are missing what we are asking. WE ARE NOT QUESTIONING IF YOUR QUAD CAN RUN 80+MPH, WE'RE QUESTIONING HOW IT DOES IT IN A 1/8TH MILE. The reason i questioned is because things are not adding up. You run the same speed as a mild drag banshee, have a better 60ft time, but yet you run a slower ET. Thats like saying ok i accelerate faster and have the same top speed, but yet i'm slower? I just don't get it, like posted above i would be happy if you could get a pic of your timeslip some how.

Red00Honda400EX runs 18" tires with stock gearing and hits his top speed about 50ft before the finish.

I'm just stumped, you either have the fastest 440ex in the world or something isn't right. I'm not saying its you, i'm saying it could be the track.

mikeboone

05-26-2003, 02:48 PM

Justrace--I aint mad at u. I will try to get the slip scanned and in this post tomorrow. I will also post the slip from Mooresville dragway after I run there. I had the only quad both times I have been. I am sure if the radar was off 10 mph the car guys would notice??

haydug

05-26-2003, 02:59 PM

I just had buddy of mine with an FDO 463 kit. He went to the strip last week for fun, running motocross set-up, 18" turfs, 16/38 gearing, stock rev box.
Average 60ft 1.94
Average 1/8 67 mph/9.01 sec.
41 mm fcr carb
sparks x-6 exhaust
FDO 463 motor

JustRace

05-26-2003, 03:01 PM

Ok thats cool. I just sent two videos to ben of me and Red running the 1/8th mile. Hopefully he will get them up soon. Also i was wrong, i'm not getting hoosiers i'm getting american racers, they are donnies (chef's) old tires. lol

markeg192

05-26-2003, 04:06 PM

Boone if you are right good for you but the time and speed you claim doesn't add up. the fastest 1/8 Quad I've seen run low 7s and once at 99 mph. This was a 230 pound banshee built to the max. Your EX wieghs what?
If you can run 83 in an 1/8 mile you prolly have the fastest thumper in the world. BTW here we replace the front shocks with something solid so the front end stays down.

JustRace

05-27-2003, 04:40 AM

Here are pictures of my two fastest runs, yes i know i was asleep at the line. I was concentrating more on my clutch than the lights and since it wasn't bracket racing only the ET matters. I'm 235P on the slips and the other quad was a built banshee. If anyone wants to see a video of me racing that banshee give me your e-mail, the vid is about 1.5mg's.

mikeboone

05-29-2003, 01:28 PM

http://www.atvnc.com/yabbse/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=1999;sta rt=0#lastPost

I have the slip scanned on this post. My neighbor scanned it and blew it up too big to upload here. I will post slips from Rockingham Dragway soon as I run there.

mikeboone

05-29-2003, 01:31 PM

710 Dragstrip seems to never set the date or time if you are wondering. You can call Todd Tribble fo confirmation--he runs the track. (803) 707-4856 or todd@710dragstrip.com

Justrace--I believe only IHRA and NHRA tracks give the 1000ft time--it's that way down here anyway and the only nearby 1/4 mile track is Rockingham--I have confirmation from Steve Earwood to run there anytime and will do within 2 weeks.

mikeboone

05-30-2003, 01:48 PM

UPDATE*** I was WRONG:( :D I made some runs at Rockingham Dragway tonight (IHRA Track) Rt was .430 60ft=2.01 330ft=5.68 660ft=8.96 at 73.15 mph 1/4 mile et=14.82 at 77.12 mph ************I believe 710 needs to have the radar fixed....

I apologize for assuming yall didnt know WTH was up. I just got in the drag race scene at dont have anything to compare it to. So; my quad wont hit 83 in the 1/8 or 1/4 it seems:) :huh I am going to go back with 16/38 gearing--it pulls much harder with that which should lower the et's. (wheelie bar coming in 2 weeks)

Sorry Markeg**:ermm:

JustRace

05-30-2003, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by mikeboone
UPDATE*** I was WRONG:( :D I made some runs at Rockingham Dragway tonight (IHRA Track) Rt was .430 60ft=2.01 330ft=5.68 660ft=8.96 at 73.15 mph 1/4 mile et=14.82 at 77.12 mph ************I believe 710 needs to have the radar fixed....

I apologize for assuming yall didnt know WTH was up. I just got in the drag race scene at dont have anything to compare it to. So; my quad wont hit 83 in the 1/8 or 1/4 it seems:) :huh I am going to go back with 16/38 gearing--it pulls much harder with that which should lower the et's. (wheelie bar coming in 2 weeks)

Sorry Markeg**:ermm:

Its cool, don't worry about it. Like we were saying, we were not questioning you but the track. I and others figured the tracks timing was off. But atleast now you can see how much stronger a properly built 440 is vs. a half assed 440 like mine. Just to let you know that your quad ran the second fastest times i have seen for the average built quad. The fastest banshee i have seen run so far is 9.2 seconds.

markeg192

05-30-2003, 03:26 PM

Boone No harm no foul .I really was hoping you was running 83since you was on a EX. Although 73 is fast for an Ex and you should be pleased with that. Here we have a Guy on a Raptor with cam , pipe piston and intake mods and he runs 73 also.
Wenesday is test and tune here and if I have time to set mine up for dragging I'll post some pics. Take care Mike.

JustRace

06-16-2003, 05:57 AM

I went back to the track, ran a dissapointing 9.7 at 65mph. Anyways some real quads showed up at the track. One was running high 6's at just over 95mph in the 1/8th mile. Heres some pics of the bikes, the one banshee has a turbo and the guy said it dynod at 137rwhp, he couldn't get it dialed in though.