Long Travel Front End!!!

[crap-banshee32]

guy post your pics of your long travel front ends!!!

also, what is the best set up for the front end(a-arms and shocks)????

thanks

[crap-banshee32]

anyone?

[TheRedRebel17]

there are so many companies out there for a-arms.burgard, hermann, walsh, roll design, houser, and many other ones. For shocks: elkas, pep,custom axis, works, and others..choose the ones you like

[trx400ex]

Get roll aarms then axis or PEP shocks

[crap-banshee32]

any pics?

[TheRedRebel17]

Originally posted by trx400ex
Get roll aarms then axis or PEP shocks

The last i heard about roll that they were macho behind and the wait was like 8 months:eek2:

[James70214]

WALSH/AXIS it rocks

[racerx573]

JRD/Axis....same as a LOBO II...I LOVE IT!

[crap-banshee32]

dude racerx, i love your quad!!!

i was looking at the roll design front ends, that are sweet!!!

how much did youe cost?

[MOUSE]

i just got mmy new +3 jrd long travel arms today got them bolted up and they look great, now all i have to do is save up the money for my lt elkas and i will be set. i will post some pics when i get it all finishedi reccomend jrd there really nice arms and joe is a good fellow to deal with. :macho

[trx400ex]

heres my roll PEP....1700/900$$ youll need + brakelines, offset wheels too

[trx400ex]

:mad: :mad: That pic was huge, heres one of axis/roll, it is more $$ but im going to try the axis out later this year or next

[lil400exman]

if someone will post my pic for me i got a merrell +4 front end with custom axis triple rate shocks post ur email and i will send it to ya to post for me.............(my imac wont let me post pictures and my wan is down so i can get the windows to connect post ur email and i will send it to you................:)

[crap-banshee32]

are those the long travel pep's? they dont look like them!!!!

[trx400ex]

if you are talking about mine then yes they are long travel, they measure out to 19.75 inches....they have a zps spring, that is why they look shorter, they sag alot

[crap-banshee32]

oh ok, i was wondering b/c those didnt look that long!!

[racerx573]

Thanks. My a-arms were $750 (unpowdercoated, I had Pappy do them), and the front shocks were $1150, So about $2000 for the whole front end which is about a grand less than a true Roll Lobo set up.

[crap-banshee32]

did u buy everything new?

im looking for a longtravel front end so if u know of any for sale let me know!!!

[Dave400ex]

If I was you I would wait a little longer and get the Arens LT arms with TCS LT Shocks. The setup will run ya $1,400 new...

[crap-banshee32]

id rather go with AXIS and pay a little more!!!!

[Dave400ex]

Sure if you have the money go with Axis, why not. I was just saying for the money you can't beat getting the TCS for $800. I don't see a $400 difference between Axis and TCS, but I would have to ride both to let you know...

[YLW400]

Gibson, PEP L/T

[crap-banshee32]

yeah that gibson front end look nice but i still think i like the JRD adn roll design better!!

[trx400ex]

To me, as far as style goes, i think the ROLL (Jrd) look better than anything out there, ill get new better pics for you tonight. Really if i had a JRD i would probably put roll stickers on it, not many people could tell a difference. I think the only way you can see a dif. is where the shock mount is, the way its put together, im sure theres minor difference like the bending of the upper aarm tube, but i dont see that affecting anything. You probably couldnt feel a difference between the two. Maybe ill get to ride a JRD some day...

[crap-banshee32]

is the jrd cheaper than rolldesign? by how much?

[Davemx250r]

Heres my JRD/Elka front end. The arms are awsome, however the shocks... i was some what disappointed in the elka shocks. They're not plush at all. I got them revalved and everything, i mean their still better than 16 inch front end but still not as nice as my friends roll axis front end.

[crap-banshee32]

yeah im gunna save up for the roll/ axis front end!!!
that seems to be the way to go!!

[trx400ex]

jrd is 750 uncoated, roll is 1400 powdered and 170 chromes..used ones will be around 1100

[crap-banshee32]

WOW, i think im just gunna go with jrd b/c of the price difference!!!!!

[trx400ex]

yeah mine would have been 1700 new, 1400 pus 350 for chrome......new balljoints are also about 180$.....even if the roll is a little better, the 900$ that you save makes it not matter as much,,,,i want to ride a roll axis and my roll pep to see if i should make the switch...are you getting +3 +1, or just plus 3.....i have plus 1 forward and a plus 1 swingarm,,,, no complaints....i feel like the front end is just a touch heavier which is good in my opinion to keep the front end from coming up over jumps..

[crap-banshee32]

im not sure yet, right now i have +3 laegers and i love them, i will probably just go with the +3 not +3 +1!!!
idk yet though, i havent made any final decisions!!!

[crap-banshee32]

whats JRD's website? anyone know?

[Guy400]

I got the shocks, I'm just waiting on Arens LT arms;)

[crap-banshee32]

guy, what do the arens arms look like!!
i really like the style of the roll and jrd!!

[AL81]

custom axis is makeing there own front-ends now they are long travel and thewy are making swing-arms also call to find out more info,but i have a walsh front end with pep zps and i love it

Heres my JRD/Elka front end. The arms are awsome, however the shocks... i was some what disappointed in the elka shocks. They're not plush at all. I got them revalved and everything, i mean their still better than 16 inch front end but still not as nice as my friends roll axis front end.

Something must be very wrong if there not plush at all.

I would keep after Elka and who you got them from till you get it right cause trust me they are capable of being very plush.

One thing I noticed in the pic is that theres a ton of pre load on them and thats making me think something aint right with the set up if you need that much preload to get your ride height correct etc.

BTW heres a pic of Houser/Elka LT +1 set up. It took some work and time etc but its close to being right in the set up.

[blasterkid]

lenny your a arms look black in that picture

[crap-banshee32]

i dont really like the way the houser arms look, idk why, i just dont!!!
i like jrd and roll

[Houser250r]

here's my gibson

[Houser250r]

heres a pic of mine again from the side/front

[ieatglue]

website for jrd is www.jrdmech.com

[crap-banshee32]

i still think i like the jrd and rool better than the gibson design!!

[Houser250r]

ahha ok sorry, just wanted to show you like ylw400

[crap-banshee32]

yeah thats fine, i think your quad looks sweet, i was just saying thats my opinion if i were to buy a lt front end, it was nothing personal, sry if it sounded that way!!

[crap-banshee32]

does anyone have pics of a hermann front end?

[Foxrage]

Do a search for pics of MXbubs hes the only guy i can think of with herrmann long travel....or someone else i forget his name.

[crap-banshee32]

how do i do a search for someone's pics?

[blasterkid]

there are more pics in his sig

http://exriders.com/vbb/attachment.php?postid=233684

[crap-banshee32]

those are the hermann in that pic, nice, i like those!!
thanks alot guys for all your help!!

a guy offered me a trade: his brand new hermann +3 lt arms for my +3 standard travel chrome laegers and my ohlins shocks!!

i think im gunna trade with him , what do u guys think!!!

lenny your a arms look black in that picture If you dont get the light right the pics make them look that way, or maybe the silver is fading from the silver vein :)



i dont really like the way the houser arms look, idk why, i just dont!!!

Its all good, but do get the style you like cause you will be happier.

As far as I am concerned they all look good just different, and its how they work that I was concerned about.



a guy offered me a trade: his brand new hermann +3 lt arms for my +3 standard travel chrome laegers and my ohlins shocks!! If thats what you want WTF you waiting for?

[crap-banshee32]

yeah im gunna trade him, i think its a fair trade!!!

then im gunna get lt axis to go with them!!! i already have 500 saved up for them!!!

[Dave400ex]

Sounds like you are going to have a killer setup

[crap-banshee32]

yeah i hope so!!!

[YLW400]

I doubt that you will find Roll, or JRD in just +3...I bet they are 3+1.

[crap-banshee32]

yeah im gunna go with hermann just because that guy made me that offer!!!!

[racerx573]

Herrmann's from my friend's CRF quad.

[NacsRacing400]

I have had both the herrmann long travels and houser long travels and without going into to much detail, i wuld choose the ride of the herrmans anyday over the housers. more adjustability, handles better, i personally like the king pin setup alot better also. It also may be because i love walsh products and i put my a-arms side by side and the quality and way they are designed are very similar to eachother. There are pictures of mine if you search for my crf450f project quad.

[crap-banshee32]

alright, thanks for the info and pics guys!! u helped alot!!

[PhilMoore]

Why O Why can't a guy get standard travel arms with the strong (welded in like Roll LOBO or Gibson LT) ball joints in em?

If anybody knows of a company that makes +2 arms that use standard length shocks (I already have Elkas on Burgard arms) and have the welded in ball joints like the Gibson arms, please let me know. I am too scared to ride my quad after seeing a guy crash cuz the crappy Volkswagen ball joint snapped off. Then, he told me he broke the same one a week before, and a friend of his also broke one! I looked right at these darn things and saw that pencil thin threaded ball joint and bought them anyway! :rolleyes:

I swear if after all the hype, Arens arms come out and they have those screw in ball joints, I am just going to puke.

I swear if after all the hype, Arens arms come out and they have those screw in ball joints, I am just going to puke.

LMAO :)

I believe that the use of the rod ends is as much a cost decision as an engineering one (OK and a lot of them are just plain copied).

I have said before that the properly sized rod end has plenty of strength but I have also seen some pretty small ones used also. If you have the rod end on the lower arm I would be concerned also but only if its 5/8 or smaller and just an ordinary threaded rod cause I have seen the strength of the heavier ones used in laegers etc and they are plenty strong.

Now what I want to make sure we all give thought on why we think that the ball bushing type (like the lower in the houser and both top and bottom on others) is so much stronger when the rod end is nothing but the same thing with the threaded shaft.

If I remember I will get the mfg's published ratings on both to compare.

[Guy400]

Originally posted by PhilMoore
I swear if after all the hype, Arens arms come out and they have those screw in ball joints, I am just going to puke. John has already said it publically on this board so I'm not giving away any secrets here. He's NOT using automobile balljoints that were never meant to be used on ATV's. He's manufactured his own balljoints specifically for ATV use. They're stronger and offer a greater range of motion. They're good enough that some other a-arm manufacturer's wanted to buy them from John and use them on their own arms. John told them "Sure I'll sell you my balljoints, for $500 and my a-arms come attached."

I can't answer whether or not the balljoints will be welded on or not.

[bongwater200]

Originally posted by PhilMoore

I swear if after all the hype, Arens arms come out and they have those screw in ball joints, I am just going to puke.


Remember........ it's not "thread-in" ball joints that cause the problem. One problem is that not all A-arms are manufactured to work within the usable range of motion of the joint. I have had a set of Laeger's +2 arms AND Arens +2 arms that used these joints, and I used to buy my replacement joints at an auto parts store and had zero problems with ball joints. However, it is true that you can't just go buy any old tie rod end from a Volkswagen Transporter II... you have to do a little homework and get a high quality joint. Here's a little hint for ya. Don't just go down to your local "Murray's Discount Auto Parts" and buy the first McQuay-Norris tie rod end that pops up on their computer screen. Those are the ones with very limited range of motion, and you will most likely break them because of it.

[forum]

my Jrd elka front end isn't working the way i think it should. The shocks are not plush enough at all. I even got them to send me new softer main springs. Im sending them back once theres enough time betewn races. If they arn't rite after that. Im either sending them to Derissi or puting them on ebay to get Axis. Although the fronts I don't like the rear kicks ***. my buddy has elka standard travel shocks that are setup for +3's but hes got them on stock a arms for now and his setup feels better. So thats how screwed mine are.

my buddy has elka standard travel shocks that are setup for +3's but hes got them on stock a arms for now and his setup feels better. So thats how screwed mine are.

Damn forum you do got some problems there :)

Have you had time to measure everything up and see whats happening?

Maybe if you give more info on what the suspension is actually doing some of the more knowledgable people here may have some input or suggestions etc.

Some pics wouldnt hurt either.