what size haulers?

[lilpoppy]

I need sugestions on what size of haulers to get. How many paddles and what size for my mods pluss a 416 kit and a hotcams stage 2. I got a sugestion for 20x10x10 with 7 paddles. What do you guys think. I need to order them soon so I have them for memorial weekend so please hurry. Thanks guys.

[Porkchop]

i'd go with 8 paddles.. with my mods im gonna order some 7 paddle haulers.. you might even wanna try 8 paddle extreme haulers

[Bretmd94]

Go 8 paddles. 20x11 would be nicer. Personally i like 8 inch rims in the dunes. They offer a ton more traction. I run STU Padla Brats 21X12X8 and they are on 9 inch rims. Best paddles i have ever had. And i have had many many sets of haulers. Haulers are my second pick though.

[lilpoppy]

So you guys think the 8 paddles would slow me donw now but be perfect when the 416 and cam go in?

[Big - D Racing]

No way run 7. 8 will put too much drag on your engine. Haulers are designed for fast 2 strokes. When you run them on a 4 stroke it has to be built heavily. I run 8 on my Duncan Racing National 440 engine and i'm thinking about going down to 7. If you ever get to test the two paddles on your quad I'd put my money on that you would like the way 7 paddles work compared to the 8 Because your engine will be able to turn them faster with less effort. Your engine will thank you and you'll have more fun at the drags and up the hills. I wouldn't even run 7 paddles on a stock 400ex, only 6. So 7 on a 416 should be perfect. Trust me I have lots experience with haulers. I ran everything from 6 all the way to the Extreme 10 on all sorts of diffent ATV's.

[airheadedduner]

8 paddles drag down a Duncan 440????? If that is evidence of Duncan's work I will never get a motor built by them. I am already disapointed with my friends Duncan/PTR motored R. I run 8's on my R, with 14/38 gearing. My moms warrior and our spare warrior also runs 8's. My moms bike being stock and the spare with just a WB slip on and K&N. We also have a friend who runs 8 paddle skates on his stock EX, and he is no small fry either. If too much traction is a problem run more air!!!

Personally I don't like 8 inch wheels for the sand. As soft as sand tires are they have a tendency to blow the bead or roll the bead a little allowing sand to get in.

I say go 20X10X10's with 8 paddles. If you don't like it you can always drop a tooth off the countershaft sproket, or add more air to your tires.

[gojk]

I run a 20x10x10 10 paddle with a 14 tooth sprocket up front and it hooks up hard and pulls through every gear.

[Big - D Racing]

8 paddles don't drag it down. You have no experience with different paddles if your running 8 paddle haulers on a warrior. Switch to something less and it will ride so much better. Just about any atv can turn 8 paddle haulers, but most can't turn them as fast as they could 7 paddles, sure 8 paddle haulers are great tires, but on a mild 4 stroke 7 paddles just flat out perform better. My Duncan 440 has out ran every 440 I have draged against. By going to 7 paddles I should be able to go a little bit faster, because I'll be able to turn them harder there is no need for 8 paddles even though my engine can handle them. Call any banshee specialist or duner shop like alba. Ask them what type of paddle should go on a 400ex, it won't be 8 paddle haulers. If you want to run 8 go with a tire that the paddle isn't as tall that would work well then. They put those on their new banshees with jet kit and Toomey T5, that put out like 45hp. A warrior puts out like 22hp. Your killing the engine by running those paddles. There is a such thing as to much paddle. I have been riding at Glamis since I was 4 years old, I 've had many atv's over the years nd have ran a lot of different paddles I know what works the best for the given power. Too many buy what they think willl work, and then they are convinced they work great, but have nothing to compare them to. If you think paddle on a warrior is a good ride you should try 6 you'll love it.

[out4sand]

I have a reasonable built 425 and love the way the 8 paddles work! 20x10x10 - 8 paddles

[Bretmd94]

The grit of the sand your riding in has a lot to do with it too. The softer sand in cali is a lot different than the 80 grit we ride on in oregon. I used to run 8 paddles on my 200x. I could hual in that thing. Plenty of traction for climbing. The only time i ran 6 paddles was on my 125three wheeler when i was a kid. I could not imagine running 6's on my 400ex. Just jack up the tire pressure, and lower the gearing.

the 8 inch rims do have trouble with the beads. But they perform great untill you blow one off. Beadlocks work well, or keeping the pressure up. 8lbs in a 8inch rim will out grab 5lbs in a 10inch rim. Ive tried. I was killing banshees on my raptor. And i know it was purly because they didnt know what they were doing with their tires. The right air pressure means everything.

The Padla Brats I use are 8 paddle, but they are soft paddles. Not hard like haulers. They flex.

Pretty much, get a high rev CDI, throw on the 8 paddles and keep the revs up. In my opinion 2 strokes would do better with 10 paddles if they have the power.

And the 440 not handling 8 paddles? that doesnt make sense. Change you tire pressure and try again. What pressure were you running? If its too much paddle go up a couple lbs.

Anyway you go your not going to be dissapointed. the 7 or 8 paddles haulers are going to outpreform all the cheap paddles. Cheap paddles are worthless. One of those Geckos weighs as much as both my tires on rims. The weight of your tires plays a huge role in the sand. You need high revs fast. Thats why 2 strokes tend to be better. For thumpers try to get a ton of traction. It will feel less like sand and more like dirt. My lightly modded raptor should not be able to walk past modded shee's. But it does.

[lilpoppy]

The only problem I'm having with this whole thing is that I had some Paddle Masters with 8 paddles and they totally killed my top end. If I hit 5th gear with all of my current mods I had to keep the throttle pinned or else I would have to down shift immediatley because my power would drop instantly. I don't know how hard the paddles are on haulers but on the paddle masters they were hella solid and I'm assuming that the Haulers are softer but I don't know. Basically I love drag racing and I want whatever is gonna help me win the most races. Keep the oppinions coming because I'm getting two different answers here and I need to decide quick so I have them in time.

[Big - D Racing]

I never said my 440 can't handle the 8 paddles, I just think it will perform even better with 7 because I can turn them stronger. It does great wit 8, just contemplating on trying a set of 7 paddles. I will try a set before I buy them and my friend has them on his 250r, so I think next trip I will trade paddles with him to see if I like it more.

[Big - D Racing]

That's what I mean, what happened with lilpoppy is to much paddle for his bike that was killing his engine. Go to 7 paddle haulers and you will be happier they are lighter and will put less strain on your engine, which results in a longer engine life. THat's my whole point.

[lilpoppy]

Ok all you guys that say to go with the 8 paddle haulers answer me one question. What happens to your quads when you hit 5th gear? Do you have to keep the gas on full throttle? Do you feel drag? If so is the drag severe? I want to beat as many quads as possible with the mods I have and the tires are gonna be a huge factor with me winning or not. When I say drag racing I mean on the flats and up comp hill. Also I saw in one of your guy's sig that you run a 16 tooth front sprocket for drag racing. Does it help a lot? Basically it gives you more top end right? How much more does it give you?

[airheadedduner]

Originally posted by Big - D Racing
8 paddles don't drag it down. You have no experience with different paddles if your running 8 paddle haulers on a warrior. Switch to something less and it will ride so much better. Just about any atv can turn 8 paddle haulers, but most can't turn them as fast as they could 7 paddles, sure 8 paddle haulers are great tires, but on a mild 4 stroke 7 paddles just flat out perform better. I 've had many atv's over the years nd have ran a lot of different paddles I know what works the best for the given power. Too many buy what they think willl work, and then they are convinced they work great, but have nothing to compare them to. If you think paddle on a warrior is a good ride you should try 6 you'll love it.
Its not like I havn't tried out a lot of different paddles. For the EX/R bolt patter we have several sets between my friends and I :haulers(8 and 10 paddle), skates(8 paddle), edges( 8 and 9s), and pro-wedges. The EX had no probs pulling all but the 10 paddle haulers and the 9 paddle edges, stock. They are all 20in, the edges where both on 8in wheels. Though inexperienced riders faired better with the pro-wedges. For the warrior we have haulers and skates, both in 8's. Again, the warrior had no probs pulling them and can climb almost every hill we can find. We had a friend with 6 paddle rears(don't remeber what brand) on his piped blaster, it coudn't climb anything. Stock blasters did a little better but still did better with more paddles. But as someone stated earlier, the sand up hear is much different. So Big-D, you are right with the 7's, especially if paddle masters pull his bike down. I am actully thinking about 9 paddle for my R now. I run 8-10psi to keep the beads seated for big air. The 8's are not giving me enough traction. Maybe if I went back to stock swinger it will be okay.


And my statement about Duncan's motor work still stands:macho :p :blah

[out4sand]

I'm going to have to agree with airheadedduner, I have never had an issue running 8 paddles but as Big - D Racing said it might have a lot to do with the sand here up here. I have tried a few different styles of tires and paddle counts but found that I liked the 8 paddle haulers the best. Since I first started bolting parts on to the 400, I have never had a problem with it bogging in 5th. I will agree when it was basically stock it didn't really pull hard in 5th but by no means did it bog.

As for lilpoppy and drag racing, how often do you really think you'll be in 5th pegged going up comp? I don't mean that as a put down in any way, it's just that when I race the 400 at Coos or Florence I rarely hit 5th on the Box Car or Comp hill and I have held my own against any 400 that I roll up against.

[quad_62]

I have learned a lot from this thread, and re-learned a lot too. I forgot there were so many different choiced for paddles, cause everyone i usually ride with runs the cheap 8 paddle sand sharks. i have planned on upgrading to haulers once i get the $$$, so this is gonna really help my decision. good example of too much paddle: a friend of mine let another friend borrow his 12 paddle haulers for his drag banshee to put on a stock bansee. it was horrible.

[racershaun]

There is only one paddle, and that is the 22 inch taller hauler, 7 or 9 paddle. I run 9 paddle taller haulers, geared for first gear hillclimbing, and they work awesome. I would recomend 20 inch haulers for dry, smooth sand riding or someone who likes to jump and doesnt do much hillclimbing. But here in oregon we mainly climb hills and run alot of wet rutted up sand. And I can run stand up wheelies in fifth gear wide open no problem.