440EX got beat!

[cryan54935]

I thought I would never see this.
1999 440EX, LRD full system, aftermarket carb, Hot cam & K & N
air filter get beat by a piped 400Z.

My bone stock Z was only one quad behind and it isn't even broken in yet.

Don't get me wrong, I like Hondas, but when a 440EX gets beat by a piped Z, something has to be done.

[Ralph]

maybe the guy just cant ride...

[RiPPiNiTuP7]

Originally posted by Lrd Mx400ex
maybe the guy just cant ride...

Exactly. I beat a piped Z with my piped EX so ya...:ermm:

[redrooster]

its the rider.................period:rolleyes2

[trailburner]

It's either 1 or 2
1- guy on the 440 can't drag
2- guy on the 440 was dragging a boat anchor......

[Brad]

Originally posted by cryan54935
I thought I would never see this.
1999 440EX, LRD full system, aftermarket carb, Hot cam & K & N
air filter get beat by a piped 400Z.

My bone stock Z was only one quad behind and it isn't even broken in yet.

Don't get me wrong, I like Hondas, but when a 440EX gets beat by a piped Z, something has to be done.

you didnt see it it was all a bad dream because when u went to sleep you were thinking about your z

[TORO1968]

Originally posted by cryan54935
I thought I would never see this.
1999 440EX, LRD full system, aftermarket carb, Hot cam & K & N
air filter get beat by a piped 400Z.

My bone stock Z was only one quad behind and it isn't even broken in yet.

Don't get me wrong, I like Hondas, but when a 440EX gets beat by a piped Z, something has to be done.

Why do people always have to start stupid stuff on here about which machine is the best, fastest, etc??? This is BS, and if you're just gonna talk down every other brand that isn't what your quad is, no one on here is ever gonna take you seriously...:rolleyes:

Grow up. :ermm:

[lilpoppy]

This is totally rediculous. I beat piped Z's with my mods and I don't have any motor mods at all. I have also raced 440's and they beat the holly crap outa me so whateve you saw there was deffinatly something wrong.

[Chanman420q]

Originally posted by TORO1968
Why do people always have to start stupid stuff on here about which machine is the best, fastest, etc??? This is BS, and if you're just gonna talk down every other brand that isn't what your quad is, no one on here is ever gonna take you seriously...:rolleyes:

Grow up. :ermm:

i know read his sig too :ermm:

[1fast400ex]

its all in the rider i drag raced tonight and the z400 and 400ex all run about the same time. except the majority of time the ex beat the z. also 2 predators were the 1 with mods one with out they sure dont run like all the hipe theve been getting only 4.6 for the one with mods and i didnt see what the stock 1 was runnin.

[cryan54935]

I am not talking down any quads. It is just a fact that every person who rides would like to have the fastest machine.

[nakomis0]

It aint too far fetched.

I raced my buddies new piped Z and he hung in there for a decent run. Don't get me wrong I still school him, but If I had a lesser 440 it could of been a problem.

But has far as torque the Z was still wimpy.

[ChadEXer]

Originally posted by Brad
you didnt see it it was all a bad dream because when u went to sleep you were thinking about your z
I agree LOL!!

[Brad]

i love when people quote me

lmao, people always have to say stuf like that, ive beaten z's kfx'z and raptor, stock and piped, there nutin, true i have motor mods, but ive beaten a piped z with tires, air filter(al the usual mods) when i only had my usualy mods, tires, pipe filter etc, nutin special, its rider not the quad:rolleyes:

[Brad]

its not the paint its the painter.

lol my dad said that to me and it relates to this cituation

[DaveEX7]

Originally posted by cryan54935
I thought I would never see this.
1999 440EX, LRD full system, aftermarket carb, Hot cam & K & N
air filter get beat by a piped 400Z.

My bone stock Z was only one quad behind and it isn't even broken in yet.

[cheetah]

I bet if the 440 was built by sparks it wouldn't have lost.:rolleyes:

[Brad]

Originally posted by cheetah
I bet if the 440 was built by sparks it wouldn't have lost.:rolleyes:
it didnt lose the rider did

[Dune Surfer]

A piped Z won't beat my 426. I beat my three friends Z's by twenty quad lengths

[RIDER11X]

I've seen people that bought 440 "kits" that can barely pass my stocker. Then I've seen professionally built 440's whoop built 265r's. .................................................. ......All motors are not created equal.

[cryan54935]

Actually, the person riding the 440EX used to race. So he is a better rider than my buddy on the piped Z. They also switched machines and raced. The outcome was the same. The person who was on the Z beat the 440.

The 440 was not professionly done, but the guy who did it is no dummy.

Originally posted by cryan54935
Actually, the person riding the 440EX used to race. So he is a better rider than my buddy on the piped Z. They also switched machines and raced. The outcome was the same. The person who was on the Z beat the 440.

The 440 was not professionly done, but the guy who did it is no dummy.

lmao:rolleyes:

[UglyMotha™]

well i see crack is still a widely used drug:huh

[ex kid]

ur 440 must be tuned liek shi* or you can't drag race, and beside without a video we cant tell who was a better rider and that plays a big factor.

[300EXrider02]

exactly what i as thinking, some 440's, or 425's or what not do not all come out the same, with different strong points, i would say if your buddies was tuned like the Duncan Race quad or something, you would be eating sh*t plain and simple

[nakomis0]

I think you guys are disillusioned about the 400ex ... its a slow turd. Making it a 440 is just getting it in the game with the other quads.

Its a Honda 440 racing a Suzuki 440, sounds like it could be a good race to me.

And that Honda was not really 'built' .. a 440 bore, with a carb, and exhaust.:ermm:

The motor could be more worn out than the Zuki, or the air cooling might not of been doing its job as well as the liquad cooling and a power loss.

traction, tire condition, etc.

[Live2Ride300]

That 440 must just be a 440 without a cam or anything else done to it, and the rider must have not known the clutch from the front brake...

[ridered86]

did anybody check to see if you left the choke on:rolleyes:

there is NO way:confused2

[lilpoppy]

I don't think I'm disillusional at all about 400's. I have seen a 465 with a cam and exhaust and maby a carb annihalate piped banshees and I can't imagine a 440 being all that much slower. I have beaten z's consistantly with just a carb and exhaust there is no way in hell they would be beating me if I had motor mods. Anywase this is turning into a my dad is stronger than your dad arguement. For all we know this race may have never even taken place and the guy is just talking smack.

[wilkin250r]

I think it depends on the quad. Just this weekend I beat a 440 and cam with my 250r, and I know my 250r isn't the fastest on the mountain. My girfriend's stock 400EX with crappy q-series pipe beat a 416. More displacement doesn't always equate to more power.

Not all engines are equal. I bet there are alot of people with 416's that would WHOOP all over somebody else's 440.

[2 QuicK]

If two different quads are modified and have two different riders they can't be compared. There's to many varibles involved. 99% of quad comparisions are not accurate.

[ex kid]

yea this is true, you could have an R with a 265 powervavle set up for woods get beat by a 330 set up for MX(on a track) it jsut depends on what the motor was built for and if it was built right

[cryan54935]

You guys need to reevaluate your machines. The race happened.

Like I said before, I don't care what you ride as long as you ride!

[lilpoppy]

Originally posted by cryan54935
You guys need to reevaluate your machines. The race happened.

Like I said before, I don't care what you ride as long as you ride!

Here is the deal. I know for a fact that in our class we do have the slowest quads. That is without a doubt true. However I think you need to reevaluate your machiene because a lot of you Z riders think you are riding banshees or something. They are not that much faster. I have raced a ton of them and if they do beat me it isn't by much. The fact is that with a few motor mods I have seen Hondas beat the crap out of Banshees and your Z's aren't anywhere near a banshee.

[Chef]

If you want a 440 to test that piped Z, Ive got a black one in my garage to do the trick. My 440 is faster than my Banshee, and friday I beat a Z with a Yoshi up comp hill by 10 quad lengths on my Banshee...you do the math, thats a 40 foot lead...:scary:

[BigThumper33]

amen chef, amen!

[Narly R]

Originally posted by cryan54935
I thought I would never see this.
1999 440EX, LRD full system, aftermarket carb, Hot cam & K & N
air filter get beat by a piped 400Z.

My bone stock Z was only one quad behind and it isn't even broken in yet.

Don't get me wrong, I like Hondas, but when a 440EX gets beat by a piped Z, something has to be done.

LMAO!!!!!!!!! Now thats some FUNNY stuff!!!!! Sorry to hear that man!!!!!:( Maybe your e-brake was one???:confused: :rolleyes:

[Sparks425Ex]

Heres a Thought:


No One cares who or what got beat.

A quad can not get beat. Only a Rider.

As for the 440. Crappy Rider, Weak as can be or it is blown up.

When my ex was stock I took 3 diff Zs and one KFX.


O Yeah.....Was the guy on the Z about 120 pounds and the guy on the 440 over 200 lbs.

Cause when my quad was stock I beat alot of people due to the fact I weighed about 115.

Light Weight+Good Rider=Wins Drag Races

[ChadEXer]

Whats a Z?:D

[lilpoppy]

Z = Suzukie Z400

[Brad]

Originally posted by Narly R
LMAO!!!!!!!!! Now thats some FUNNY stuff!!!!! Sorry to hear that man!!!!!:( Maybe your e-brake was one???:confused: :rolleyes:
LOL

[ChadEXer]

Originally posted by lilpoppy
Z = Suzukie Z400
I was being sarcastic!;)

[trxex]

Originally posted by cryan54935
I thought I would never see this.
1999 440EX, LRD full system, aftermarket carb, Hot cam & K & N
air filter get beat by a piped 400Z.

My bone stock Z was only one quad behind and it isn't even broken in yet.

Don't get me wrong, I like Hondas, but when a 440EX gets beat by a piped Z, something has to be done. BULL $HIT

[UglyMotha™]

:eek:

[Castor-426ex]

i agree with the Bull.......

there aint a z around that can touch my 426....and the invitation is open:)

[cryan54935]

Where are you located Castor?

[DaveEX7]

If you had captured it on video, we can see why the 440 got beat.

[Brad]

Originally posted by SpeedDemin85
If you had captured it on video, we can see why the 440 got beat.
the only true way to find out

[phatswinn]

i can tell you that the rider makes all the difference, for years ive only ridden with dirtbikes that race mx, and keeping up with them is really tough, and i hang with them all ride, then when i ride with people on qauds (even rapturds and z's) its boring cuz there soo slow! , and i have a 300ex

[Chef]

Originally posted by cryan54935
Where are you located Castor?

I think Castor is in KY, but I'm in WA if you wanna try out a 440. :)

[RIDER11X]

Originally posted by phatswinn
i can tell you that the rider makes all the difference, for years ive only ridden with dirtbikes that race mx, and keeping up with them is really tough, and i hang with them all ride, then when i ride with people on qauds (even rapturds and z's) its boring cuz there soo slow! , and i have a 300ex
Go quad racing and get together with some of the faster riders to do some riding. That will all change. I had that problem too till I got with the crowd I run with now. Now I need to work on keeping rubber side down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Castor-426ex]

Originally posted by Chef
I think Castor is in KY, but I'm in WA if you wanna try out a 440. :)

i already know a piped z with a good rider wont take me in a drag
im taking it that suzuki must have just put out a few "magical" models that we hear of on the forums

cmon..there aint much diff in stock z and stock ex
so me beleiving that a stock z beat a 440ex makes me think that

1... you are more full of **** than a stuffed Raptor Rider

2. The ex rider sucked and missed a few gears


i dunno

But yeah I live in western Ky...would you like my complete address

108
Youll Get smoked Rd
I thought you could ride, KY


:rolleyes:

[TORO1968]

Originally posted by Castor-426ex
...I thought you could ride, KY

I think I've been there before!! :eek2: :D

[CaliQuadRcr]

I own a 440ex that is ported and has a cam but i do know like the rest of you should know that the Z400 is a better quad because it has much more potential to get horsepower out of it. How many GNC pro production riders are riding a 400ex. NONE

[Glamiscc400]

he's got a point.

[cryan54935]

I live in central Wisconsin and if anyone is in the area we could probably peform a test.

Funny funny stuff guys.:huh

Its threads like this that remind me why I keep the "stupid" quote in my thread about stupid people.:D :eek:

read thru the site all your answers are there allready.


BTW for those of you who havent noticed that Zuki had basicaly copied the EX and threw in a few badly needed motor mods and labled it the z400 and that they are allmost the same damn machine you need to open your eyes.

The biggest diff between the two machines is the dohc and liquid cooling and the cooling isnt going to show much if any gain in a drag race, but will deff be a big plus on a modded motor in a longer MX or XC type race etc cause of the controlled temps.

The dohc will help with rev's etc but the diff wouldnt be as much on a stock engine as it could in a highly modded one.

So knowing this the only way you could get the results you speak of is from either rider error or skill or most likely from a poorly set up engine on the larger bore honda.

The only other possible thing that seems to be working is the BS factor and there is no way to measure that

:blah

[Steve-o 400EX]

Sorry Dude, but it just aint happenin. My friend beat a piped Z with his piped 400ex, E-series runnin strait pipe, the first race by about 2 quadlengths. They switched bikes and my friend beat his own 400ex with the z by about 2 quadlengths.

90% rider skill and 10% machine.

Also a major factor in this is was the 440 built correctly. If it wasnt then the quad is not going to perform anywhere near its potential.

thats all I got to say about that.

[DaveEX7]

Also a major factor in this is was the 440 built correctly. If it wasnt then the quad is not going to perform anywhere near its potential.



Very true..... some hobo from the Bronx coulda said that he was a pro. mechanic and just threw everything in there, and then the quad dont seem any different and then they wander why they loose races to Z's.

[250EXking]

hopefully it was just the riders.

[300exryder]

Does it matter? Chill with the macho-man egos. I agree that a Z is a better machine than a 400ex and as time goes on while Honda does not come out with a new model you will see 400exs being taken over by many other top of the line machines. Personally, I own a Raptor and have no regrets. I do not dragrace, race MX, flattrack, or any other type of racing; I simply putt around and do trailriding/hillclimbing. This thread would make much more sense if it was about people that won/loss while participating in official drags, not "i beat a Raptor with my skyhawk 80 in my backyard when no one was looking" Let's see some videos before people start talking.

Let's see some videos before people start talking.

I like that idea :D :cool: