trx 450R compared to a trx 350R 2 stroke

[JACK STRAW]

has anybody owned a 450 and a 250r or a 350r big bore and can give me their opinions on maintenance and longevity costs, or reliability comparing 1 to another
thanks

[DnB_racing]

has anybody owned a 450 and a 250r or a 350r big bore and can give me their opinions on maintenance and longevity costs, or reliability comparing 1 to another
thanksanswerers for both of your questions ......I have owned both..and yes I can give my opinion.

I hope this helps...

[JACK STRAW]

I couldn't see your answer. Can you repost it or pm it to me. Thanks

[DnB_racing]

I couldn't see your answer. Can you repost it or pm it to me. Thankslol I apologize I was being a smart *** ,,, had a couple beers...sorry about that...lol

but to really answer your question is kinda depending on personal traits and riding and maintenance practices

I have actually owned a few of each including a 363 that's almost ready to go,and I wouldn't pick one favorite over the other, it would be like comparing my old 71 dodge challenger to a brand new one, there are good and bad about both

I rebuild my engines every year, so I cant really say if one is more reliable then the other as neither has ever really failed me, as long as you keep up with maintenance they are both great machines.

but both complete different quads to run ...I need both to do what I want, sometimes I want to have a fast easy ride,and sometimes I want the rush of the powerband...
I cant imagine not having both, and I couldn't pick a favorite, its like which child do you like better.I love them both for completely different reasons

[hondadude101]

In my mind this is not a question, the 450r is better, clean constant power, no time and cost adding gas mix bull**** no changing fouled plugs, you can leave it at a constant rpm for more than 10 sec. And most of all you dont have the annoying whine of a weedeater. The 450s sound great, perform great, and way more reliable that a 2 stroke. My brother decided to buy him a 250r, you should ask him how that worked out, they are the biggest pain ever. the 450 also blows the 250 away on fuel economy, might not be relivant to some but for a guy who backroads a lot its nice to have some range on a tank of gas. 450>250

[DnB_racing]

In my mind this is not a question, the 450r is better, clean constant power, no time and cost adding gas mix bull**** no changing fouled plugs, you can leave it at a constant rpm for more than 10 sec. And most of all you dont have the annoying whine of a weedeater. The 450s sound great, perform great, and way more reliable that a 2 stroke. My brother decided to buy him a 250r, you should ask him how that worked out, they are the biggest pain ever. the 450 also blows the 250 away on fuel economy, might not be relivant to some but for a guy who backroads a lot its nice to have some range on a tank of gas. 450>250 the question was about reliability... and when it come down to it my 250r is MUCH cheaper to keep maintained then my 450R, and the 450R just plain and simple has more parts to wear down and break, and the parts are more expensive to fix

But IMHO only people that foul plugs are ones that don't have a clue how to Jet.. the 450"s have give birth to people that have been raised on the EASY button, everyone gets to bat and everyone gets a trophy generation....less skill and talent is needed to run a 450 and look good

the 250R is and allways will be the best factory quad ever built, and the most copied design.... the GTO of ATV

[jcs003]

In my mind this is not a question, the 450r is better, clean constant power, no time and cost adding gas mix bull**** no changing fouled plugs, you can leave it at a constant rpm for more than 10 sec. And most of all you dont have the annoying whine of a weedeater. The 450s sound great, perform great, and way more reliable that a 2 stroke. My brother decided to buy him a 250r, you should ask him how that worked out, they are the biggest pain ever. the 450 also blows the 250 away on fuel economy, might not be relivant to some but for a guy who backroads a lot its nice to have some range on a tank of gas. 450>250

with your response, it is clear you have no idea what you are talking about.

john

[LxMxL97]

This question is just about the same as what makes a faster lap a quad or a bike but about the question asked I think that they are about equal In terms of maintance they just each have different areas that require more maintance i think the reason people tend to think that the 450r is far supior in being more reliable is because you can't go buy a brand new 250r and 90% of them are old worn out junk I also think that the older guys prefer 2 strokes because that's what they grew up around as to where the younger generation Leans more toward 4 strokes I personally am a 4 stroke person but I have no problem with 2 strokes

[jcs003]

This question is just about the same as what makes a faster lap a quad or a bike but about the question asked I think that they are about equal In terms of maintance they just each have different areas that require more maintance i think the reason people tend to think that the 450r is far supior in being more reliable is because you can't go buy a brand new 250r and 90% of them are old worn out junk I also think that the older guys prefer 2 strokes because that's what they grew up around as to where the younger generation Leans more toward 4 strokes I personally am a 4 stroke person but I have no problem with 2 strokes

well said.

give me a CP industries 363 and it will outperform a 450r in every area. more torque/HP...power to weight ratio and 87 cc to spare. however, the honda 450r is an awesome machine. clearly my second choice.

john

[deathman53]

people that say "mixing gas/oil is a pain", "2 stroke wine", "you have to rev the 2 stroke to make power" and "2 strokes are a ton of maintenance" are idiots. They are biased one way. I have 2 250r's atc and quad, 4 stroke 250r hybrid and same can be said for 2 vs 4 stroke dirtbikes. Everything has a strength and weakness. In general, the 4 strokes are easier to ride longer and harder, but have weight that hinders them. Both are just as fast, just as powerful and just as reliable. Huge difference you can get the 4 stroke parts much easier, on the flip side.......when they blow.........they dont break a gear, they grenade and its alot more money to fix. When I had the head re-done on my 450, all said and done, it was close $1000. There is alot more and cost much more to go wrong in the "modern" 4 stroke motor, there is a reason why honda/kaw/suzuki/yamaha 450s can be found w/o a motor in it w/o much problem. In the "hayday" of 250rs it was easy to get any motor part you needed, if you grenade a gear and break the cases, you could go to the dealer and order a new case, new gears and anything else you needed. That not the story anymore. That is where the biggest weakness to the 2 vs 4 stroke is. Comparing a ktm 250/300 2 stroke to 350-500 4 stroke is more involved because of, both have very easy parts availability and its more involved in riding style, type and riding ability. Someone a 4 stroke is more capable of riding easier and consistent. My friend when he rides his yfz450, he can ride it in 3rd gear all day, most of the time, going between 3rd and 4th, if he comes out of a turn too high, no big deal it just bog alittle and gets back to life. With a 2 stroke, depending on motor characteristic, it can fall on its face or not make much power and you need to drop a gear or fan clutch. It can also keep pulling and have a torquey bottom end. Too many variables to clearly say what is better 2 or 4.