Who's running GTT XC link on their hundies?

[2001400exrida]

I am, i also run a JET rear shock that was setup for the link setup. So, my question is, did all of you guys have airbox clearance issues as well as needing subframe mods.

Obviously if you try to run the GTT link with the stock rear shock things will be way to soft, but with a setup shock on the rear, did you all have to use the airbox risers as well as subframe modifications or did anybody "luck" out like i did without having to do anything. I don't know for sure if JET took it into consideration when they built the rear shock, but I have yet to smash my airbox on the swingarm and I don't think it's that big of a deal, but somebody argued with me for 4 pages about it so I thought i would reach out for a general consensus.

chronic, i'll ask that you stay out of this thread since I do not value trolling.

[Longdong]

Fact one: stock 400 with gt link and stock shock will bust stuff up with someone around 140#. I maintaine a race quad for a friend and he has this setup due to money issue. First race, hole punched though the airbox, exhaust dented and subframe ground down 1/8 of a inch. Yes box needs lifted, frame spread a little not much and exhausted spaced.

Fact two: My race quad has stock swing arm, 20" rears, gt xc link, and jet duel revavle rear done by nick. When I got it I had no issues with airbox or subframe. I did ding the exhaust, not that bad but not good. BUT I was not getting full travel so I took the bike over to Nicks place. He put a lighter spring on and revavled it to get "FULL" travel. On a race quad this made a big differance on the ride smoother and plush. I bottom out maybe once a race not all the time but I am using the whole shock travel. Once I got full travel the issues with the airbox, frame and exhaust came back into play.

[jcs003]

call Laz at GT thunder and you will know exactly what needs done since he designed and patented the links. then all the disagreement can stop. but, what longdong stated is what need to be done or your quad will be trashed after a day of riding.

john

[Longdong]

The thing about suspensions is they are custom. What one guy likes, might not work for the next guy. Things like ride height and travel can be measured and speced out. But It comes down to feel and if it matches the rider. All the shock builders try to acheive the same thing but there are different ways to get there. My bike is a full jet suspension and my boy quad is full gtthunder. So I would say I am neutral person to ask plus a don't get into personal stuff.

[400man]

I weigh about 145lbs and I ran the stock shock with the GTT link for awhile, I had the preload pretty tight and compression as hard as possible to try and stiffen it up. it rode good, but would sometimes bottom out easy. I had to bend my subframe out a lot because I ran a sprocket guard at the time, and I wanted plenty of clearance. spaced my exhaust out to clear good, and modified my air box and raised it to where the top of the box is even with the top of the subframe. I busted it eventually even when it was raised ( I think? might not of been raised, its been awhile)

Anyhow, I got around to sendin my shock off to get rebuild and everything, decided to go with JET and do their dual rate conversion, around $400ish for the whole deal. kinda high, but I figured you get what you pay for so I went with it. :bandit: I think its been 2 years now since ive had it and it still works great. I cant really compare to anything else cause this is the only built shock ive had. I took these pics today for this little discussion. I found all the heavy crap I could around my shop to get it to squat down to show clearances. I think I had around 225 to 250lbs. it had like barely a half inch on the shock shaft showing before bottoming. and about an inch between the airbox and swingarm

http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp255/ky2stroker/Photo12051223_zpsf58f462c.jpg (http://s417.photobucket.com/user/ky2stroker/media/Photo12051223_zpsf58f462c.jpg.html)

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[400man]

some more pics..

http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp255/ky2stroker/Photo12051159_zps11062b46.jpg (http://s417.photobucket.com/user/ky2stroker/media/Photo12051159_zps11062b46.jpg.html)

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[400man]

my airbox

http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp255/ky2stroker/Photo12051157_1_zps893fee10.jpg (http://s417.photobucket.com/user/ky2stroker/media/Photo12051157_1_zps893fee10.jpg.html)

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[2001400exrida]

call Laz at GT thunder and you will know exactly what needs done since he designed and patented the links. then all the disagreement can stop. but, what longdong stated is what need to be done or your quad will be trashed after a day of riding.

john

there are so many shock builders out there that know laz's link very well and can suit your shock to run with it as well. Generally speaking laz keeps things a little soft. I'm in agreement that it's normal for people to hit the airbox with laz's setup and especially with a stock shock running the XC link. It's apparent that since mine does not bottom i'm not getting full travel out of the shock that JET built. I personally like the ride of it, but i'm also not a serious racer. Maybe when it comes time to service the shock i will see if he can get some more travel in it. At that point it sounds like I will be needing to raise the airbox for clearance.

400man would you say that with that new shock jet built that your airbox no longer bottoms out or is it because you have raised the box that allows it to clear?

[400man]

there are so many shock builders out there that know laz's link very well and can suit your shock to run with it as well. Generally speaking laz keeps things a little soft. I'm in agreement that it's normal for people to hit the airbox with laz's setup and especially with a stock shock running the XC link. It's apparent that since mine does not bottom i'm not getting full travel out of the shock that JET built. I personally like the ride of it, but i'm also not a serious racer. Maybe when it comes time to service the shock i will see if he can get some more travel in it. At that point it sounds like I will be needing to raise the airbox for clearance.

400man would you say that with that new shock jet built that your airbox no longer bottoms out or is it because you have raised the box that allows it to clear?

id say if the shock bottomed out to the bump stop it would definitely hit if I had a stock unmolested airbox. subframe would prolly hit the sprocket bolts too. I have another 400ex with a stock shock, stock airbox and "non bent" subframe with a xc link and I will try the same thing and take pics when I get a chance.

[2001400exrida]

good info 400man. i can almost garuntee that the stock shock will hit with the xc link. I'll have to see if i can get enough poundage on mine to make it hit the airbox. I think that the way my shock is setup that it would take a big hit or jump to get it to bottom on the airbox, but could probably be done with a heavy enough rider and rough enough terrain.

[2001400exrida]

i'm thinking my jet shock is setup the way longdongs was before he had it redone for the 2nd time. because like his, mine doesn't hit.

[400man]

i'm thinking my jet shock is setup the way longdongs was before he had it redone for the 2nd time. because like his, mine doesn't hit.

yea, your preload is set too stiff, loosen it up

[HondaRacing83]

yea, your preload is set too stiff, loosen it up
You're quad is so dirty :(

[Stickman400]

That is one hell of a Frankenstein airbox too. I guess a new one is too much of a hassle to make it look a little cleaner? Lol, I guess I just like my stuff to be clean.

[400man]

That is one hell of a Frankenstein airbox too. I guess a new one is too much of a hassle to make it look a little cleaner? Lol, I guess I just like my stuff to be clean.

Ehhhh.......at the time I wasnt too worried about what it looked like, as long as it kept the filter clean and did its job. and i can say its "custom".

[2001400exrida]

custom and hey if it still functions then why bother right?

What kind of skids are you guys running with the xc link? I have an aluminum that had a chunk cut out of it so it could fit this link. I wondered if there was any skids that are made to have the clearance with this link or not?

[400man]

gt thunder skidplate

[Stickman400]

x2 steel is the best way to go imo. I'd get a steel link if I could.

[400man]

I have a steel linkage :uhoh:

[Stickman400]

I have a steel linkage :uhoh:

Aren't you the one who had your brother or brother-in-law or something like that make you one? I can't remember who said that a LONG time ago but that's the only reason I said that. I'm still in a boat with Marc if he's ever willing to make a couple more....:D

[MtnEX]

I didn't read all this thread.

But here is my advice on the subject, coming from a racer that puts suspension first.

The simple solution is to just get your rear shock compressed length. If you did not collect it for your shock builder, you will need them to provide you with that eye to eye compressed length they built the shock to.

Then you can simply make yourself a compressed length jig to bolt in place of the rear shock to check your actual max compressed clearance. Then you know for sure what will clear and what won't if you full-bottom the shock.

[MtnEX]

I haven't gotten far enough along to ask for a compressed length on this rear shock for the GT Thunder XC link...

But what I was wondering today when I was looking and planning is... can you still run a stock air box lid once you raise the air box?

I see the one guy in this thread seems to have clearance. I just can't tell if the lid was left alone or not?

I know I will ride the travel out of mine and bottom it, so I plan to unbolt my air box and install the link and a short eye to eye piece the compressed length my shock will be and see what hits and how high it has to go at some point. But it would be cool to know up front.

I also looked at the left side of my subframe. It doesn't look like it will hit anything? Maybe it won't clear the end of the sprocket bolts? Or are people bending them out for those sprocket guard things?

[ben300]

I haven't gotten far enough along to ask for a compressed length on this rear shock for the GT Thunder XC link...

But what I was wondering today when I was looking and planning is... can you still run a stock air box lid once you raise the air box?

I see the one guy in this thread seems to have clearance. I just can't tell if the lid was left alone or not?

I know I will ride the travel out of mine and bottom it, so I plan to unbolt my air box and install the link and a short eye to eye piece the compressed length my shock will be and see what hits and how high it has to go at some point. But it would be cool to know up front.

I also looked at the left side of my subframe. It doesn't look like it will hit anything? Maybe it won't clear the end of the sprocket bolts? Or are people bending them out for those sprocket guard things?

if your shock is set up correctly (correct travel, correct compression, correct race sag) you will hit the air box an the subframe with out a doubt. when i had my rear shock redone for the GTT xc link i said to myself "ehh, im not gonna rasie the air box, it probably doesnt hit like they say".....well the first time out that i really rode hard to a close race pace, i broke the air box rigth off the rear mouting tab. so i had to raise it. i did and i drilled some holes in it and used zip ties. Teixeira tech makes a bracket that lifst your air box lid.


you will not be able to use the stock lid. it does not clear the underside of the seat/plastic. IMHO, you do not nee the lid. as long as your filter is clean, properly oiled, and you are using outerwares on it, no need for a lid. i run no lid, race xc, and have never had a problem what so ever. if you feel like you need extra protection, go to a craft/hobby store and get a piece of foam, cut to the dimensions of the air box and place that over. i have done that in the past before.


also, the nuts on the rear sprocket will hit your subframe. if you run a sprocket guard, your DEFINITELY gonna hit your subfame. trust me. i didnt space mine at first and i have some nast gashes in the powder coat on my subframe.

[400man]

When I raised my air box, I just cut the entire rear mount off the back, and made me a little metal bracket and bolted it to the air box. its raised to where the top of the box is level with the top of the frame rails. and I only recently wanted to go back to running a lid....and it wouldn't fit. so I cut out the raised portion of it and lowered it down to make it flatter and welded it back up with my plastic welder.

on muddy races and trail rides I used to duct tape the gap between the frame and fenders, but I got tired of doin that all the time so I decided to just put a lid on it. I lost a lil bit of power but oh well..

[chronicsmoke]

if your shock is set up correctly (correct travel, correct compression, correct race sag) you will hit the air box an the subframe with out a doubt.

Exactly, I agree 100%. There is no other way around it, it either hits or it's not a correctly setup GT Thunder link/shock. Nobody builds minumum $750 worth of shocks to accomodate the 20 dollar airbox :rolleyes:



also, the nuts on the rear sprocket will hit your subframe. if you run a sprocket guard, your DEFINITELY gonna hit your subfame. trust me. i didnt space mine at first and i have some nast gashes in the powder coat on my subframe

I want to run one like I have on my 450r but don't know if it's worth the sprocket guard. Are you running one Ben? I'd be interested in seeing how much you bent your sub. out!

[ben300]

I want to run one like I have on my 450r but don't know if it's worth the sprocket guard. Are you running one Ben? I'd be interested in seeing how much you bent your sub. out!

i decided to say **** it with the sprocket guard and i went with the GTT 400ex swing arm skid plate. awesome product. its tough as can be, hugs the swing arm to give maximum ground clearance and incorporates its own sprocket and rotor guards. i would recommend it to anyone. and to anyone that says that skid plates cause you to get hung up, then i say you'v never tried this one. it worked great last year and i honestly got hung up more on my nerfs than anything else. thats why im switching to pegs and heel guard combo

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/600/link9.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/golink9j)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/191/link10s.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/5blink10sj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/195/link1kk.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/5flink1kkj)

[Stickman400]

I just used 2 big zip-ties that I connected and wrapped them underneath the airbox to raise mine, after cutting all the mounting tabs off. I run an EHS lid and still have an inch or so of clearance between it and the seat pan. I'd be interested in seeing this Teixeira Tech bracket Ben is talking about. You got a price on that Ben? I may buy one and give a review and pics for some of you guys since I have some disposable income laying around.:D

[Stickman400]

Well nevermind Ben. I figured it wouldn't be on their website and I'd have to call and order it but I was wrong. I looked on their site and there it was, just ordered it. The link for the description is broken but here is a screen cap of it, kinda wondering what It bolts to if it uses your lid but I'll figure out here soon.

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv192/Stickman400/Quad%20Pics/ScreenShot015_zps82051429.png (http://s683.photobucket.com/user/Stickman400/media/Quad%20Pics/ScreenShot015_zps82051429.png.html)

[ben300]

Well nevermind Ben. I figured it wouldn't be on their website and I'd have to call and order it but I was wrong. I looked on their site and there it was, just ordered it. The link for the description is broken but here is a screen cap of it, kinda wondering what It bolts to if it uses your lid but I'll figure out here soon.

i was just going to get you the ling when i noticed you posted that screen shot.


not exactly sure how it bolts up, but you can always either message Ed Teixeira on FB, or you can go to the kwad (quad) zone forums and message him on there. he's a site sponsor.

[MtnEX]

Well what hits the box? Caliper?

I ain't willing to give up or mod my lid so I will have to figure out an alternative. I gotta find how much it has to lift because I already have stuff for a bracket.

As far as the skid discussion I already have a PRM skid I like. Might have to cut out the link area? But I like skids and feel the Honda swingers and all are made in a way that rotor guards and sprocket guards don't offer that much benefit.

[ben300]

Well what hits the box? Caliper?

I ain't willing to give up or mod my lid so I will have to figure out an alternative. I gotta find how much it has to lift because I already have stuff for a bracket.

As far as the skid discussion I already have a PRM skid I like. Might have to cut out the link area? But I like skids and feel the Honda swingers and all are made in a way that rotor guards and sprocket guards don't offer that much benefit.



the shock link clevis on the swinger will crush the hell out of the bottom of your air box. you need to raise the box 1". if you raise the box to where (with out the lid on) the top of hte box is flush with the top of the subframe, you'll clear no problem.

you also need to space your exhous out 1"....if you dont, and your shock is set up correctly, you will crush your exhaust can.


trust me. yo do not need to use your lid. you will be fin. if you raise your box, and put your seat/rear fender on and look underneath the seat, there isnot a whole lot of room between the seat and the top of an open box. not much can get in.

at the Iron Acres PAXC race this year, it was beyond dusty. so dusty that it was almost impossible to see at times. i ran no lid and my box wasnt really dirty at all when i was done.

at the "gusher" gncc in foxburg, pa, i ran no lid, and forgot my foam cover and it was the muddiest race i have ever ran. it rained the entier race. when iws done, the quad was just absolutely covered in mud. but the inside the air box was clean.

[MtnEX]

Gusher was pretty bad.

Mud and water is what I worry about.

I had some mods figured out for that lid and tube that would not let anything in and would do as well as no lid I am sure if it even caused much of a decrease on. Guess it likely matters more the more aggressive the motor build gets vs stock.

[chronicsmoke]

A guy in the 250r section posted a picture of some foam being fitted around the airbox so when the seat goes on, it squishes the foam and seals the gap but air can still get through.

I used that kind of setup on my 450r with no lid and it worked really well. All I could find at the time was a memory style foam, but I found some coarse foam at home depot used to keep your gutters clean that I'm going to use this time.

I was surprised how well it worked.. I'll see if I can get some pics. I'm going to zip tie it to the subframe this year so it's always there.
A link to where I got the idea..
http://www.atvriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?502045-Waterproof-Airbox/page2


the shock link clevis on the swinger will crush the hell out of the bottom of your air box. you need to raise the box 1". if you raise the box to where (with out the lid on) the top of hte box is flush with the top of the subframe, you'll clear no problem.

you also need to space your exhous out 1"....if you dont, and your shock is set up correctly, you will crush your exhaust can

+1, the first post in this thread should be edited reflect Ben's statement.

and I guess the answer to the original point in this thread has been addressed; there is no luck around it. A GTT XC linkage setup will crush the airbox. If you run a GTT XC linkage you will have to raise your airbox and spacwe the exhaust.

[2001400exrida]

+1, the first post in this thread should be edited reflect Ben's statement.

and I guess the answer to the original point in this thread has been addressed; there is no luck around it. A GTT XC linkage setup will crush the airbox. If you run a GTT XC linkage you will have to raise your airbox and spacwe the exhaust.

oh poor chronic, you must've missed the part in my post asking you to refrain from posting in this thread, lol...oh well. There is actually luck around it. The exhaust i run came with a spacer that's like 2 inches long, that right there had never caused me a problem. It depends on the pipe as to whether or not it will hit the caliper, but as a safety measure people who are running this XC link should definitely make sure they have clearance before they dent a pipe.

I run the XC link, and do not have issues with my airbox getting crushed., i've also not done the subframe mod, so let's not change the title of the thread or the original post, let's just let everybody give their input and then we can all form our own basis. If you put a stock shock on a XC link you're gonna be way too soft btw. Most have had issues, some haven't.

[chronicsmoke]

oh poor chronic, you must've missed the part in my post asking you to refrain from posting in this thread, lol...oh well. There is actually luck around it. The exhaust i run came with a spacer that's like 2 inches long, that right there had never caused me a problem. It depends on the pipe as to whether or not it will hit the caliper, but as a safety measure people who are running this XC link should definitely make sure they have clearance before they dent a pipe.

I run the XC link, and do not have issues with my airbox getting crushed., i've also not done the subframe mod, so let's not change the title of the thread or the original post, let's just let everybody give their input and then we can all form our own basis. If you put a stock shock on a XC link you're gonna be way too soft btw. Most have had issues, some haven't.

Lol yet you can't supply a picture.. Please stop misleading people. They will have to modify their airbox and exhaust in order to run a properly setup GTT link and shock, as everyone else in this thread has.

Post a picture or stop defending an idea that doesn't exist.

[2001400exrida]

Lol yet you can't supply a picture.. Please stop misleading people. They will have to modify their airbox and exhaust in order to run a properly setup GTT link and shock, as everyone else in this thread has.

Post a picture or stop defending an idea that doesn't exist.

stay out of my thread, in fact it does exist, read page 1 where a couple guys mentioned not having CRUSHED airboxes......i'm not misleading i'm posting what happens to me, we have come to the conclusion that my shock was not built correctly since it doesn't allow the box to crush. if ya don't like it don't post in my thread, it's real easy dave, but i'm tired of you calling me a liar on countless ocassions. It is what it is, if ya don't like it i'm sorrry and i'm not misleading anybody as i mentioned people can read through the thread and learn.

suspension is all preference. The gtt link was designed for their revalved shocks to go with it. At this point in the sport there are lots of companies using this link with their own revalves......depending on how a shock is setup, it is not always going to make things bottom so easily. It's all about how the shock was setup, sure i might be sacraficing travel, but as i've mentioned a handful of times to you dave, i don't have the issues that many have. You can keep poking jabs, but we know this is how you got banned before so why not just live with what i'm saying and move on. Again, most have had issues I can tell, but me personally, nope.

[chronicsmoke]

I don't have to call you a liar haha you've done a pretty good job making it obvious around here.. Of course you could post a pic of your setup and prove me wrong, afterall you post pictures of other things all the time... lol.

Suspension theory is obviously way over your head but continue to enlighten us. Why would anyone prefer to use only 80% of their capable travel?

You're funny Ryry. I'll leave you to stew in your own raw emotion.

[400man]

you two titty babies.....take it to private messaging. this thread was fine until you two joined back in, probably gonna be closed down soon. I didn't spend all that time taking and posting pics of that junk squishing my bike down for nothing.

[2001400exrida]

You're funny Ryry.

you know it turns me on when you call me ryry.

davie, if i'm making it obvoius that i'm a liar, why do you feel the need to keep pushing it? I don't know why i prefer to use 95% of my travel instead of the rest, that is a question for nick at jet suspension. you're right i know nothing about suspension, that's why i have the pros do it for me.

[ben300]

stay out of my thread, in fact it does exist, read page 1 where a couple guys mentioned not having CRUSHED airboxes......i'm not misleading i'm posting what happens to me, we have come to the conclusion that my shock was not built correctly since it doesn't allow the box to crush. if ya don't like it don't post in my thread, it's real easy dave, but i'm tired of you calling me a liar on countless ocassions. It is what it is, if ya don't like it i'm sorrry and i'm not misleading anybody as i mentioned people can read through the thread and learn.

suspension is all preference. The gtt link was designed for their revalved shocks to go with it. At this point in the sport there are lots of companies using this link with their own revalves......depending on how a shock is setup, it is not always going to make things bottom so easily. It's all about how the shock was setup, sure i might be sacraficing travel, but as i've mentioned a handful of times to you dave, i don't have the issues that many have. You can keep poking jabs, but we know this is how you got banned before so why not just live with what i'm saying and move on. Again, most have had issues I can tell, but me personally, nope.



OK, before this thread goes to hell, and gets locked like the last thread, lets stop bickering. I never posted in the original thread abou the GTT link because it go way out of hand, way to fast, and would never get back on topic. so lets be civil.

im going to post my 2 cents in. Ryan, i think thats your name, im going to flat out tell you, that your shock is set up wrong. or, you as dave said are just not truthful. im going to elaborate why your shock is wrong. and before you say that im saying Jet set your shocks up wrong and im taking a stab at them, im not. i have jet rebuilt fronts, they work great. im very happy with them.


Ryan, your shock is wrong, purely on the science, thats right, science of geometry. no ands, ifs, buts, or or's.

when you install a GTT xc or mx link, you AUTOMATICALLY move the shocks mounting position. THis does two things:
1. brings the rear end of the quad DOWN. yes that means the sub frame, air box, etc.
2. it moves the resting postion of the swing arm, relative to the subframe, UP.

thus, from the get go, the swing arm is now already closer to the air box. no way you can get aroudn that. once again, its geometry.

now, unless your shock builder lengthened your shock (which they can do now, by the way), your shock will still have the same exact stroke, regardless of springs or valving.

with stock link, the geometry is so that the wheels do no have enough up stroke with the shock fully compressed to reach the air box. but with the new link, the geometry is changed so that the stock shock, fully compressed, provides enough up strock of the swingarm and wheels to have the swing arm hit the box in the stock position.

it is designed this way for a reason. the stock link does not provide the correct leverage ratio for the stock shock,a nd the stock link mounting position for the shock, does not allow the shock to fully compress. it also progresses the shock WAAAAAAY to fast into its force curve. this is why the stock link never bottoms out (unless your hitting a jump like "sky shot" at unadilla), and the *** end of the stock quad bucks like a bukcing bull.


if you talk to laz, or anyoen else that builds a stock swing arm/stock shock link for the 400 and 450 honda's, they wil ltell you that they design these this way, and that a correctly set up shock will bottom out. XC setups will bottom out way more than MX setups will because they are set up progressively stiffer in order to take much much much harder impacts from jumping. call laz, call derisi, call dirworks, hell call Brannon White at Vanilla Gorilla Racing and talk to him about his new banana link. he'll tell you the same exact thing. id say that you quite didnt understand shock set up, and had nick adams or whoever you spoke with there, set your rear end up stiff. either that, or you have your comression set to high, and your preload set to high.


there is a ton, and i mean a ton of info on GT thunders website and on Derisi racings website about geometry, shock set up, and proper set up for different riding applications.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/837/1uir.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/n91uirj)

[2001400exrida]

preaching to the choir ben, i've already explained several times that my shock is not setup correctly, that's why i started this thread to begin with.

[ben300]

preaching to the choir ben, i've already explained several times that my shock is not setup correctly, that's why i started this thread to begin with.

here is some literature written by Laz that'll help you get the correct measurements. so that way you have them to send your rear shock back to Tim wolfe at Jet.

http://www.gtthunder.com/Suspension.html


and some more

http://www.gtthunder.com/SuspensionHome.htm


and here is laz's article about rear shock links and the difference between link and no link

http://www.gtthunder.com/Suspensions.htm




heres the thing though. these links adn these set ups have been around for soooo long, that the shock builders should have all the measurements and info needed. you should just be able to send them the shock, tell them what your quad is set up right, your physical body measurements and your riding style/ability and they should send it back good to go (minus fine tuning of compresssion,rebound, and preload).

[2001400exrida]

here is some literature written by Laz that'll help you get the correct measurements. so that way you have them to send your rear shock back to Tim wolfe at Jet.

http://www.gtthunder.com/Suspension.html


and some more

http://www.gtthunder.com/SuspensionHome.htm


and here is laz's article about rear shock links and the difference between link and no link

http://www.gtthunder.com/Suspensions.htm




heres the thing though. these links adn these set ups have been around for soooo long, that the shock builders should have all the measurements and info needed. you should just be able to send them the shock, tell them what your quad is set up right, your physical body measurements and your riding style/ability and they should send it back good to go (minus fine tuning of compresssion,rebound, and preload).

which is exactly what i did. i send it to them told them i was running the link and they built it. Now i don't pound big jumps or even really hit the trail like a pro rider would so it might be the case that i just haven't ever gotten to the point of crushing the airbox, but one thing is for sure they did set the shock up to this link for my 400ex. Tim is the new owner and i'm having him do my 450r rear shock once i find a quality TT swinger. Might be next season for that.

[blacknblue#2]

I would like to be a fly on the wall when chronic and 400exrida come face to face. I dont know if it would be like 2 old women nagging about their husbands or like a roided out highschool swell head that catches the class nerd balls deep in his old lady. Either way it would give me a headache hahaha

[blacknblue#2]

I would like to be a fly on the wall when chronic and 400exrida come face to face. I dont know if it would be like 2 old women nagging about their husbands or like a roided out highschool swell head that catches the class nerd balls deep in his old lady. Either way it would give me a headache hahaha

[blacknblue#2]

I would like to be a fly on the wall when chronic and 400exrida come face to face. I dont know if it would be like 2 old women nagging about their husbands or like a roided out highschool swell head that catches the class nerd balls deep in his old lady. Either way it would be comical, yet annoying hahaha

[blacknblue#2]

I would like to be a fly on the wall when chronic and 400exrida come face to face. I dont know if it would be like 2 old women nagging about their husbands or like a roided out highschool swell head that catches the class nerd balls deep in his old lady. Either way it would be comical, yet annoying hahaha

[chronicsmoke]

I would do 7 years and be out on good behaviour in a heartbeat.

[2001400exrida]

I would do 7 years and be out on good behaviour in a heartbeat.

we all know you just want 7 years time so you can getcha some of that prison love, admit it.

i don't wanna fight davey, he's canadian, they fight dirty.

[MtnEX]

You guys crack me up... lol.

Who managed to piss off a canadian? From my experience most of them are so happy all the time they piss me off... lol. I figured reefer must be legal up there or they are living much happier lives than us being all chipper and happy all the time.

Anyways, I figure both people are right. I thought it was a difference of some sort on the 2012 bike I rode with GT Thunder link valved and sprung far too soft for me. I rode it and looked at everything and looks like there is a scratch on the HMF and that's it?

I think this is because Derisi reworked the rear shock and the compressed length is not what others set them up to?
He could probably send it to GT Thunder and gain some up-travel and bust his airbox up.

[chronicsmoke]

Hahaha I'm not mad! I think it's ****ing hilarious. :D

All I said he should change the first post to reflect that his shock is "not set-up correctly" as we established in "his" thread and he snapped. He get's especially defensive when you catch him in a fib, lmao Read the first line of this thread.. who is he trying to convince, the forum or himself.



I think this is because Derisi reworked the rear shock and the compressed length is not what others set them up to?
He could probably send it to GT Thunder and gain some up-travel and bust his airbox up.

Derisi would valve the shocks to GTT's link, (as Ben said, GTT links are common, he'll have those numbers on file as well) but would rather valve the shock to his own link which is very similar but slightly different. A guy on 450r.org just had that same scenario with a 450 setup.

Ben's writeup a few posts ago was bang on and should be the conclusion and end of this thread.

[KKiowaTJ]

you two titty babies.....take it to private messaging. this thread was fine until you two joined back in, probably gonna be closed down soon. I didn't spend all that time taking and posting pics of that junk squishing my bike down for nothing.


I still want to want that spare UNI!!



Lol yet you can't supply a picture.. Please stop misleading people. They will have to modify their airbox and exhaust in order to run a properly setup GTT link and shock, as everyone else in this thread has.

Post a picture or stop defending an idea that doesn't exist.


How is it so hard to take a cell phone pic and post it? Real hard when you are full of crap!

Post it up, I want to win the raffle!




You cry and whine about chronic in 'you're' thread, I remember you getting mine shut down for the lack of you sacking up and taking a picture. But if you did so, You know its just more lies and BS and most likely a friend, Buddies, Friend of a friend, Third cousin twice removed pic of their quad.

You dance around a simple pic request with more excuses that Osama el negro. Do you have a teleprompter too, To reply? You, And you along brought this back around and my thread got closed because of it, Ill make sure this one is too.

No reason to reply unless you have a pic with it. Proves you are not a liar, Not full of ****, Backs up you're story. Even if it is 'set up' wrong, What will a pic of that hurt? Not a damn thing! But we all know what will happen, No pic and a bunch of excuses.

[MtnEX]

Well I checked into this box thing.

Looking under there, if it is only a 1 inch lift at the rear mount, the box lid ought to fit fine? Looks like it might be close at the front end, but it also don't seem to lift much at the front end. Seems the catch bottle for the crank breather kinda holds it down?

I like a wise guy said hey taking this nut out! Gonna just see and measure how high I can go before the lid hits the seat pan. Ha! Dang mount hits the latch. Have to make and place my mount for 1" rise and cut the mount off just to see! Uggg...

[2001400exrida]

Hahaha I'm not mad! I think it's ****ing hilarious. :D

All I said he should change the first post to reflect that his shock is "not set-up correctly" as we established in "his" thread and he snapped. He get's especially defensive when you catch him in a fib, lmao Read the first line of this thread.. who is he trying to convince, the forum or himself. .

This is a concensus thread as stated in my original post. As you will see In the 2nd post a guy also had a jet shock they did not hit airbox. This thread is not about the majority rules its asking who did or did not have clearance issues. Its not to hate on people.

[400man]

the shock link clevis on the swinger will crush the hell out of the bottom of your air box. you need to raise the box 1". if you raise the box to where (with out the lid on) the top of hte box is flush with the top of the subframe, you'll clear no problem.

you also need to space your exhous out 1"....if you dont, and your shock is set up correctly, you will crush your exhaust can.


trust me. yo do not need to use your lid. you will be fin. if you raise your box, and put your seat/rear fender on and look underneath the seat, there isnot a whole lot of room between the seat and the top of an open box. not much can get in.

at the Iron Acres PAXC race this year, it was beyond dusty. so dusty that it was almost impossible to see at times. i ran no lid and my box wasnt really dirty at all when i was done.

at the "gusher" gncc in foxburg, pa, i ran no lid, and forgot my foam cover and it was the muddiest race i have ever ran. it rained the entier race. when iws done, the quad was just absolutely covered in mud. but the inside the air box was clean.

I find it hard to believe that your airbox was clean inside after a very muddy race with no lid. muddiest race ever for me was the 2013 mammoth gncc. I had no lid, but duct taped the space between the fenders and subframe/airbox, and mine still had mud and water in the airbox. and my filter got muddy too.

http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp255/ky2stroker/077_zps8daa24cb.jpg (http://s417.photobucket.com/user/ky2stroker/media/077_zps8daa24cb.jpg.html)

[ben300]

I find it hard to believe that your airbox was clean inside after a very muddy race with no lid. muddiest race ever for me was the 2013 mammoth gncc. I had no lid, but duct taped the space between the fenders and subframe/airbox, and mine still had mud and water in the airbox. and my filter got muddy too.

http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp255/ky2stroker/077_zps8daa24cb.jpg (http://s417.photobucket.com/user/ky2stroker/media/077_zps8daa24cb.jpg.html)



mine was pretty much clean. ive removed that rubber water catcher from the bottom of the air box to let any water that got up in there drain out (remeber, i do run a piece of foam over my box when its really bad)....but i havent ran a lid in two years and i have no problem. i have about 6 air filters, and i just swap them out every time ride and clean them religiously. if your air box is raised high enough, theres not much room for stuff to get up in there. i mean stuff gets in there, but its not like my air box is ever full of mud or dust. my filters are usually always pretty clean.


this was after the "gusher" this year. the quad was this dirty and the air box wasnt bad at all inside.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/5/ju5p.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/05ju5pj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/826/3tsu.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/my3tsuj)

i was leading my class the whole race till the last 3 when the quad overheated and shut off on me. i sat there for like 10 minutes (felt like an eternity) till it fired back up. i got going again and then it died coming to the finish. i had to push it across (with the help of a renegade). i went from fist to 8th and was 14 minutes behind first:mad:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/94/iu9o.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/2miu9oj)

[MtnEX]

I was just gonna say I am surprised they don't overheat when caked up like that being air cooled.

Liquid cooled is probably easier to overheat though if not taped up well.

First race I won on my comeback was an epic mudder. One I wont never forget. Mud I thrive on... its the dust that I can't seem to do well in without an awesome start.

[2001400exrida]

ben that last pic of you hiking it to the finish is awesome! die hard!

[Stickman400]

i was just going to get you the ling when i noticed you posted that screen shot.


not exactly sure how it bolts up, but you can always either message Ed Teixeira on FB, or you can go to the kwad (quad) zone forums and message him on there. he's a site sponsor.

Well I received that lift yesterday. Ed ships really fast, ordered it Monday, he shipped Tuesday and I received it Wednesday, wish everything got here that quick. Anyway it came with instructions and you have to cut off the rear airbox mount 5/8" down from the top and drill 2 holes and couter sink them to mount it. Now I have to debate if I want to buy a new/used airbox off of eBay to use it or sell it to someone on here. Like I said I chopped all my mounts completely off so it's usless to me as of right now. Maybe someone wants my chopped box and would trade me even up for there new looking stock box?? My box is brand new looking, just had every mount chopped off.