looked at a quad today

[TacicalRedneck]

So i went to look at a 450r today- and ...

It was an ER because the battery holder was still there- but it had a kickstart conversion on it- the guy lived in a subdivision- and the thing was IMPOSSIBAL to kick start. The only way we got it started was for him to pull it behind his wifes truck and let out the clutch. It finally started that way-

He said it has like a 13:1 compression piston in it- he was running 93 in it- are you supposed to run VP in that?
Had a pc'd frame- he didn't mention that- had lots of aftermarket parts but he didn't seem to know a lot about them.
he does have papers for jetting and compression test recently. (only had the quad 3 months though)

What do you guys think about this? It's a nice quad but the only problem i have is with how hard it is to start.


Just remebered it has kicker plastic on it but the kick start doesn't fit in the groove?

[01boneless]

valves need adjusted and yes you need 100+ octane with a 13:1 to keep from burning it up

[426kidz]

I would post this in the 450r section, I hate when people mess with things and do it all half A** they will be able too tell you whats up and whats wrong

[TacicalRedneck]

He said the valves were adjusted a week ago and was jetted for a 93/110 mix.
Also said the compression was 220 now adjusted its 150

??

[TacicalRedneck]

And when i say hard to start- i mean i had to put all my weight on thatthing and jump!!

[01boneless]

jetting or valves for sure

[rollie]

i agree valves, the valve seals could be junk, making them wayyy to tight, that happened to me once. no matter the compression it should be no big deal to kick over.

13:1 you could probably get away with a 50/50 mix of 93 and 110

i would wait and buy a bone stock one, even if you buy a modded one your going to change everything on it to what you want anyway:p

[CJM]

Decomp needs to be adjusted, even with hi comp it should be easy to kick over.

I wouldnt touch it I were you.

[blacknblue#2]

I think It's in the Decomp too. Whoever adjusted the valves probably got it Out of adjustment and their impossible to kick over when their out. As for the kicker not lining up its probably out of time. Yes that assembly has to be timed

[hotrodhonda400]

I'd run from that one....sounds like a half *** setup.

[trick450r]

Originally posted by CJM
Decomp needs to be adjusted, even with hi comp it should be easy to kick over.

I wouldnt touch it I were you.

X2...mine has snapped the decomp lever off once or twice and you can't kick it at all when it happens, but it will stay running fine.

[quad2xtreme]

How much is he asking?

[Lquad71]

the punch marks arent lined up on the kickstart which tells me it was apart. Possibility he or someone else didnt know how to put it together properly and if the little thing that goes behind the bracket isnt behind it then that could cause it to not work properly. maybe ask if you could take off the cover and make sure if its installed corectly. if not then easy fix.

[TacicalRedneck]

Originally posted by quad2xtreme
How much is he asking?

3500 said he'd take 3

[TacicalRedneck]

you could kick it but when you got to that compression stroke that's when it was Hard to kick.

[KKiowaTJ]

Had to pop start it for you? first bad sign

He himself has owned it for a couple months! Check

Even though minor, Kick starter not lining up, He just had the valves done and could not go out of his way to fix that?

Its been apart from the pc, So you know things could or could not be tight, But id go back over it because of the above already wrong.

Theres a reason he is selling it already and you really dont want to be the new owner. Id take 3k too if i had to pop start it for ya to hear it run/ride.
Its nice, But you can find better for the same or cheaper. Id walk away and keep looking. Good luck either way

[quad2xtreme]

I'd keep looking. Everyone knows more than me but honestly once you have to adjust the valves on a stock head, you are just buying yourself about 10 more hrs on the head.

You are looking at a complete head rebuild which is going to run you about $700 for a good one that makes your head a little more durable than stock.

Others could be correct about the decompression lever. Perhaps if that was in proper adjustment then the valves are still fine. The 2008 and up have an "automatic" decompression built into the cam. The 2007 and earlier you have to manually adjust.

[rollie]

i now would like to agree with everyone else that it is 100% the decomp spring broke, a couple years ago at a race my broke, im 265lbs and i could stand on my kicker and it wouldnt go down haha

[JOHNDOE83]

I garauntee its not jetted at all.

If it had a clean carb and a larger pilot jett even being a kickstart it should start in 1-3 kicks even if it sat for a month.

[DEAL]

If its an er with a kickstart conversion the decomp probably isn't installed properly, I don't think it has anything to do with the valves being out of adjustment.

[TacicalRedneck]

he said he had a comp test before they adjusted the decomp he said it was at 220 psi then after 150

:confused:

[Honda.rider5871]

I would keep looking if i were you, IMO its better to buy stock and build it up as you like. But if your set on a quad that already has some work done. Not sure if your open to a yfz but this is a good deal
http://louisville.craigslist.org/mcy/3610826568.html

[TacicalRedneck]

Originally posted by Honda.rider5871
I would keep looking if i were you, IMO its better to buy stock and build it up as you like. But if your set on a quad that already has some work done. Not sure if your open to a yfz but this is a good deal
http://louisville.craigslist.org/mcy/3610826568.html

seen that on there a few times. i couldnt afford to put any parts on it if i bought it.


All these built bikes are selling a few hundred more than stock ones.... im going to go that route, or just keep mine..

[Honda.rider5871]

Another that caught my eye http://louisville.craigslist.org/mcy/3583922314.html There asking more than the one you posted but its race ready

[TacicalRedneck]

Originally posted by Honda.rider5871
Another that caught my eye http://louisville.craigslist.org/mcy/3583922314.html There asking more than the one you posted but its race ready

Texted bout that one a few weeks agoD

[Thumpin440ex]

I would step away. If he doesn't know what is in it, then how should you. Could be a basket case. Me and my buddy went to check out a soposid 470 stroker (450R) with a cam, big compression. Dude wanted to trade my buddy for his piped 250r. Needles to say the bike was a fuggn turd, couldn't even stay with the 250r in a strait line.


John

[chucked]

Its hard to start because it has a high compression piston. You have to kick it over slow till you get to the compression stroke, then very slowly get it to the other side of the compression stroke. Then let the kicker come up and slam it down as hard as you can.


If valves needed adjustment it would kick over easy.