Official 2013 ATVA classes

[jay-r]

The classes are posted.

http://www.atvmotocross.com/pages/rules/2013-national-classes

Looks like the 70 Limited class can run a shifter or single speed Cobra.

Two Four stroke 125 classes looks interesting too.

New single speed 50 class and 50 open is something that I like.

Several other changes too.

[jay-r]

Okay, just noticed that the 125 four stroke classes are not on the class schedule, but are listed on class details.

http://www.atvmotocross.com/pages/rules/2013-atvmx-class-details

[skyeryder]

So what does this mean for the 70ss class it's the limited class now so does that mean any 70cc mini quad is eligible to run that class. We are in the process of trading our DRR for a Cobra SS70.

Edit: ok I went to that detail page posted above looks like still Cobra only but you can run cobra shifter or SS am I looking at this right, thanks.

[Cobra50Dad]

I really like the two 50 classes as well. I don't think they could have done a better job making the changes they did for the 50s.

Now it looks like double the work and money running the two classes but will be worth it!

Jamie are you all coming to the next Greenville indoor? I hope we can make this one.

[jay-r]

Looks like the only CVT that can run 70 limited is an Apex pro shark. So, it will basically be a Cobra 70 class. The question is, can a single speed compete with the shifters.

We are in the same boat. I still think my rider is faster on a single speed than a shifter. It will depend on the track too.

[jay-r]

Ryan, not sure about Greenville yet. But, it is a good possibility that we will make it.

[quadrider79]

70 limited class, 4-5 riders like DJ Bassani on shifters, How many 70ss's will have a chance. Not picking on DJ, just know that his 70 shifter would be legal for this class.

[skyeryder]

Okay so next question I know for mod class you can run Cobra or Kawi 65 motors, would the limited class be Cobra only 70cc motors right basically matching manufacture

[quadrider79]

The way I see it there is gonna be (2) 70 shifter classes. There isn't a 70 single speed anywhere that will beat a good running 70 shifter on a start.

[d1g888]

i no what a kid can do on a cobra SS against a shifter.

[quadrider79]

Stan, I might be missing something. But can u tell me when a 70ss ever won a national in the 70mod class??? I don't know what Alex S. was running but he might be the only one back in 2009. (2)

[jandjracing]

Originally posted by quadrider79
Stan, I might be missing something. But can u tell me when a 70ss ever won a national in the 70mod class??? I don't know what Alex S. was running but he might be the only one back in 2009. (2)

He was using a KX powered Cobra in most of 2009 in 70 Mod.

[quadrider79]

In that case, it's safe to say there has never been a 70ss win a national in the 70 mod class. Here is a better question. WHY!!

[pmarra]

Alex s run 2 ouads 1 70 ss 1 70 mod he won the mod class on the ss the mod bike was broke 2009

[quadrider79]

Ok. Then he is the only one to ever win 3 national races in the 70 mod class on a 70 single speed back in 2009. Wow!!

[jay-r]

I know that there are several people that are unhappy about the 70ss class disappearing. I am hearing that there may be some hope of keeping it if you email dean@atvmotocross.com to express your concerns very soon. This is not our main class, but we were hoping to run it some in 2013 and definitely after Jordyn ages out of 50s.

So, if you would like to see the 70 single speeds have a future, better email quickly.

[quadrider79]

I don't understand why they went and changed this class after they changed the 50sr to just single speeds. ????????? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

[jay-r]

I don't understand why they made this change without having it in the proposed class changes. No one had a chance to express their opinion.

[quadrider79]

At the banquet it was stated that it would be left alone. Then again on Dec. 5 it was not in the purposed changes for 2013. Then Dec. 26 it's changed. Anyone that has an interest in the 70ss class needs to email Dean.
Once again- dean@atvmotorcross.com

[thequadfather+2]

I dont own a 70SS anymore. Sold it last year, however looking at the numbers there were 5 races with 5 or less quads on the gate. At High Point there was only 3 that even showed up on Saturday and two on the gate on Sunday, one of those broke and the other one was the only quad on the track. The max number on the gate all year was 13 (only twice) at Aonia and Loretta's. 7 races had less than 10 quads hitting the gate.

You guys are going to have to get the numbers up a little bit to keep the class. Thats what happened to the 90cvt stock class...

[ff1125a]

I don't like the class change. We just went all out and spent alot of money on building 3 full race engines for the 70 ss class. We where trying to get geared up to run the whole series Also have two friends that have done the same thing. It would be all of our first year to commit to the whole series. So that would be 3 quads for sure and 1 more that is pretty for sure they are going to make at least 7 or 8.

[skyeryder]

Sent my email

[Ryko racing]

Can someone clarify a 90 limited? is it stock motor w suspension?

[jay-r]

I don't think limited means stock anymore. I think it means limited to the production models specified in the rules. The old 50 limited is now called 50 semi stock. But, I don't know this for sure, it is just my take on the new class names.

[bigdaddy77]

Looks to me that they changed it to allow the apex 85 and the cobra a class to run in. Don't think it has any suspension limits.
Emailed Dean about getting the Pitster added to this class. Also interested in the four stroke class but its not on the schedule. Havnt got a response yet. I think we would be most competitive in the four stroke jr class. Even with our Atv Fourplay suspension we don't stand a chance against a 85 apex or a Willey mod cobra. I know for a fact out cr 85 Pitster smokes the four stroke Pitster. Has anyone heard anything about the FourStroke class?

[edwardsp&b]

So is there a 90 production class anymore? Is that now 90 limited? Sure would be nice to get some clarification. It would also be nice to know what the new classes are in say October-November instead of January....
I didnt notice the 125 class, I would have like to have known that a few thousand dollars and a few months ago!

Can somebody tell me if the 90 limited is production?
Thanks Bryan

[#404's Dad]

It is the 90 Limited Class now, looks to have been altered only to allow the Apex which is NOW not a Production unit to still be legal?

[Ryko racing]

what a joke. Cory lets just build us a few (5) LIMITEDS.

i HAVE A STAMP FOR THE SIDE CASES? LOL


Kinda reminds me of MCDOWELLS. ( COMING TO AMERICA).. LMAO

[#404's Dad]

Yeah its a Joke, The Apex guys may want to have a Title or some kind of Proof on them at each round to prove theirs is not a Homemade Apex ProShark.

I seen that issue come up at Loretta's this year with one of them.

[Logan #34's Dad]

Is there any difference in the Apex pro shark and any other Apex mxr... if its just suspension then guess what, its allowed to be changed - so any Apex is allowed...(thinking about the 70 class).
The promoters obviously did not talk to the correct people about these classes and structures.
And the whole "limited" thing came up because Apex could not prove they homogalized(sp) these "limited" approved machines. A lot easier to specify ("limited")what machines are allowed than deal with a protest about homogalization.... kinda smart on their part...

[edwardsp&b]

So.....Just to clarify, the 90 production is now limited 90 which allows the Apex to race in this class, but the Apex is now illegal?

Ive been bashed a time or two on here lately about being negative.......But things like this is what gets me pissed. Is there ever going to be a final, definitive answer on the classes? Or will we just show up and watch the show in staging figuring out who can run what.

I will say I like what they are trying to do with adding the classes and the 50 classes. Seems like they are trying to accomodate everybody. I just wish they would make it definite a little earlier, like October or November. It is now 1/4/13 and we still dont know.
Bryan

[#404's Dad]

The Apex Quads are now not "Production" quads, The Class is no longer "Production" see the trend Bryan? :cool:

Call me if ya need to

[Ryko racing]

im thinking that i want to create a Class that i can win. How about DADS UNLIMITED/ LIMITED BUT NOT PRODUCTION BUT MAYBE MODIFIED CLASS. Must have been no more thsn 1 unit ever built. LMAO...... ( that should do it) lol.

THIS IS GETTING FUN.

[don bassani]

There are a half dozen apex 90 shifters that were already purchased under the assumption they were legal. In an effort to not lose these paying racers , the AMA made some changes to allow them. That is how it was explained to me by Hetrick. I guess when someone buys a new Apex you better do your homework on what is legal or not ! I have heard that company (apex) will sometimes fib a little bit.

[bigdaddy77]

Just took a look at the ATVA website and pretty much got a answer to the email I sent off over a weekago. There is going to be a 125cc FourStroke class and it is broke down into jr and sr. I think this is awesome and it is considered production. Trx , raptor , Pitster etc.
Then they have the limited class which it appears it is last years (2012) production class. With no response to my email yet I do not know if its going to only be open to the 4 quads listed or if they will allow others that were production legal last year.

[pow wow]

dont know what the fus is about cobras but you can build a 70 cvt to run with them i have been doing it for 2 years now

[hornet]

so has anyone heard if they're going to seperate the 70ss and shifters or not?

[jay-r]

Just got the email. Production shifters and single speed together. Apex pro shark is out of the 70 limited class.

[ontargetracing]

would be nice if the official class structure was the OFFICIAL CLASS STRUCTURE