Who else is ready to leave the country? [Archive]

motochamp250

11-07-2012, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by Ruby Soho
seriously?

im not a huge obama fan, but he serves me better than romney/republican.

and how could you ever expect any one to pull us out of the hole that bush dug us, in 4 years? get real.

the main problem is the rest of congress, who are all politician born and raised *******s, who's goals are nothing but to keep their pockets filled. the president is NOT the main problem.

ahh the blame bush garbage... HE (obama) promised to cut the deficit in half.. HE (obama) doubled it in FOUR years....HE (obama) promised unemployment would not go above 8%... even now it is really way higher than 7.9% because of all the people who's benefits have run out aren't counted!

How about this president take responsibility for HIS actions AND STOP BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE.. GET REAL! WE DID BUILD OUR BUSINESS OURSELF WITH NO HELP FROM HIM. WAKE UP! i agree how does he better serve you????

his first 2 years he had both the senate and the house... got HIS STIMULUS HIS HEALTHCARE HIS EVERYTHING... ITS HIS ECONOMY!

CJM

11-07-2012, 09:44 AM

We were doomed with either of them, more so with Obama but Romney wasnt much better.

Face the facts people: Our country is moving towards a socialist state and thats what our government wants..looks like they are gonna get it by chipping away bit by bit at our rights.

Eventually it all has to crash and burn. Every great civilization does sooner than later.

chucked

11-07-2012, 09:45 AM

This question is for everyone, blue or red, when's the last time a president did everything he promised? Hasnt anyone seen that south park episode "about last night"

Hornbreaker

11-07-2012, 09:59 AM

I think not to long ago that Texas said if this A-hole gets reelected they would cut away from the union. Leaving 49 states. If that is then I'm moving to Texas. Also if we the people give him 6 month and he doesn't deliver on his promises can we sue him or impeach him for breach of contract?

CJM

11-07-2012, 10:06 AM

Impeach or sue..thats not good enough. I want to burn politicians at the stake who dont deliver what they say.

quadrcr161

11-07-2012, 10:44 AM

im in for moving to TX,

One good thing is with Obama the system will crash quicker and hopefully it can start to rebuild. just sucks theres more takers then earners out there now.

quadrcr161

11-07-2012, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by CJM
Impeach or sue..thats not good enough. I want to burn politicians at the stake who dont deliver what they say.

not what they say, none is perfect, but with the way heathcare was rammed through, syria, lybia, theres plenty of reasons

chronicsmoke

11-07-2012, 10:52 AM

they're both just **** puppets hanging from a **** string..

The final result would be the same whether Giant Douch or Turd Sandwich got elected (South Park reference :p )\

Balaz_73*00

11-07-2012, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by Ruby Soho

and how could you ever expect any one to pull us out of the hole that bush dug us, in 4 years? get real.

The root of the hole we are in comes from the Clinton era and all the sub prime mortgages that were given.

Ruby Soho

11-07-2012, 11:10 AM

I was not blaming it all on bush

our economy was in the worst shape its ever been in history. our country does not produce people suitable for presidency as great as our past great presidents. so if you think mitt romney is that ****ing good, your pretty ****ing naive. he does not give one **** about the middle class.

you honestly think that romney was going to do everything he said? my ***. every politician sells you on **** they're party wants to hear and bashes the opposing so they get elected.

mitt romney is not an all american man who cares about the working class. im not saying obama is all that great either but for my career he sure is better than romney.

250x_kyle

11-07-2012, 11:16 AM

I dont want a guy who let Americans die when knowing about the attack in advance leading our country. my job in the coal industry will be gone shortly im already laid off. wastefull spending is a major issue with this administration. They had four years and failed why give them another chance.

quadrcr161

11-07-2012, 11:20 AM

noone said Romney was the best but compared to the idiot in the whitehouse now he was, there were only 2 real choices, Romney was the best of the 2. Romney is a business man, who got wealthy creating companies and jobs for the middle class. A better middle class for him meant a better payday, a better middleclass for O means more he can take and give to others.

Originally posted by Ruby Soho
I was not blaming it all on bush

our economy was in the worst shape its ever been in history. our country does not produce people suitable for presidency as great as our past great presidents. so if you think mitt romney is that ****ing good, your pretty ****ing naive. he does not give one **** about the middle class.

you honestly think that romney was going to do everything he said? my ***. every politician sells you on **** they're party wants to hear and bashes the opposing so they get elected.

mitt romney is not an all american man who cares about the working class. im not saying obama is all that great either but for my career he sure is better than romney.

Ruby Soho

11-07-2012, 11:40 AM

you cant run a country like a business. would be wonderful if you could, but you cant.

quadrcr161

11-07-2012, 11:45 AM

you also cant run it like Europe or a socialist country. How thats working out for Greece and the EU?

blaster99

11-07-2012, 12:11 PM

I just want to know how raising taxes on corporations is going to create jobs. We have the 2nd highest tax rate on corporations in the world, 35%. The only country higher is Japan. How's Japan doing you might ask? They have been in a recession for 20 years. It's simple economics, and what Obama is going to do does not make any sense. Another concerning fact... gas refineries are shut down in New Jersey and we have a major gas shortage right now. Why on earth is the price falling? It is being kept artificially low. Wait 3 or 4 weeks, we will all be paying over 4 dollars a gallon, some places even higher.

ben300

11-07-2012, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by Ruby Soho
I was not blaming it all on bush

our economy was in the worst shape its ever been in history. our country does not produce people suitable for presidency as great as our past great presidents. so if you think mitt romney is that ****ing good, your pretty ****ing naive. he does not give one **** about the middle class.

you honestly think that romney was going to do everything he said? my ***. every politician sells you on **** they're party wants to hear and bashes the opposing so they get elected.

mitt romney is not an all american man who cares about the working class. im not saying obama is all that great either but for my career he sure is better than romney.

and you think Obama's more of an "all american man" than romney?:huh ...he could give a **** less about the middle class. the only time he cares about the middle class is when he needs votes, other wise, he only cares about minorities (racial minorities and social minorities such as women, and homo/bi/trans sexuals) and hte lower class poor people.

he doesnt care about the middle class any more or any less than Mitt Romney does. we're just a means to end for him....and he knows, that if he can increase the lower class base, he can gain votes.

and romneys not much better. romney offered no real hope or solution or change to anything. he couldnt even define at any one point, what any part of his 12 point plan was. in teh second presedential debate between the two candidates, he was directly asked, first question, what he would to do help students graduating from college get jobs adn fight loan debt adn to make colleg more affordable......HE DID NOTHING BUT DANCE AROUND THE SUBJECT TILL HIS TIME WAS UP!!

i generally believe that mit cares about people, but thats just cause he's a mormon, and thats how htey are. i work with a couple mormon's, probably two of hte nicest human beings you can meet. they're constanlty volunteering and helping less fortunate.......but mitt relate to the lower class. he cant relate the middle class. he cant even relate to most millionaires, cause he's so rich. you cant fault the guy for that, since he inherited money, and earned the rest, but he just doenst relate to the average joe. and thats what obama had goine against him. obama is a little more relatible to teh average american. hes on tv, playing basketball, picing his final four bracket, hugging white moms and shaking mexicans hands, hanging out with bob dylan...he's jsut more pleasruable to the publics eye that mitt.

you have to look at it as the fact that the united states as whole is changing. its not necessarily become so socialized as extreme right wing pundits would like you to believe it is, but it is changing. White, church going families are slowly becoming the minority every year, the republican party/GOP/tea party, is having a hard time relating to this fact.

i tend to lean more libertarian than anything, but yet i voted for Mitt. i did this because i feel he best protects my job in the coal industry. I would have liked to, and should have voted for gary johnson, cause he offered real solutions, however, with our currently flawed to party system, and electoral college, it was pretty much a waste of a vote (i know i know, vote for the guy adn get his name out there). Unfortunately, the MSM will not allow this, and beyond us liberty minded ppl, and people who are extremely into politics, no one knows who he is outside of hte state he was governor of......

..my point being with that is that the republican party is gonna have to sit back, look at itself, and decide if they want to change to a more libertarian stance, or futher alienate themselves from the middle class, women, minorities, and the lower class. two elections in a row now, 08 and now, they have put up big money, corporate puppets who want to the tow the ultra conservative, ultra religous party line, and it just obviously aint cutting it in todays changing society......they are going to have to start working arcross the isle, becoimg more modrate, adn less extreme. they are gonna have to start putting up electible candidates that can work together, bi partisan politics.....or its just gonna continue ot be Barack Obamas adn Bill Clintons elected

i know most of everyone not living in a city, and living betwen teh east and the west coast doesnt want to hear this, but its the total truth...they've know this for four years now, and just choose to ignore it

chucked

11-07-2012, 12:29 PM

You guys crack me up. I love how whenever theres a political discussion on the internet people write these long epic garbage, like theyre gonna change someones mind...

Ruby Soho

11-07-2012, 01:21 PM

you directly quoted me, saying i dont believe obama is all that great either, but he benefits me. wheres your argument?

i am a union ironworker. i watched MANY romney debates and videos etc etc and one of his "main" goals he wanted to take down unions. and get rid of the davis/bacon act. well hello there, im a union ironworker! why the **** would i vote for mitt romney?!

theres faults to every one of them. there aint nothing you can say to make me believe romney would have been a better guy. im sure if obama was white it would have been a lot different too. and yes there is many many more reasons behind everyones decisions but im not going to go on and on. im happy with the outcome and going to keep working and living my life

quadrcr161

11-07-2012, 01:40 PM

if your happy then good luck, myself im not knowing O and the dems are going to go after gun control, raise taxes,raise energy prices, pump more money in the green energy crap, allow the epa to push the carbon tax (which will effect your job) once plants close because they cant meet the standards and will appoint one or two liberal judges to the supreme which will alter the way the laws and constitution is viewed.

And Ben i know they say the republicans need to move, but i think society as a whole is declining and more of wanting a hand out which needs to change back to personal responsibility.

CJM

11-07-2012, 01:55 PM

So what chucked? Im gonna write a huge epic post too.

It really doesnt matter either way: Were totally screwed and the politicians either dont care or dont even think about it.

The whole problem is our country did a few huge blunders that shoulda never happened:
1. We removed almost all industry and jobs that went with it. Yes we still have a decent industrial base, but unions, high taxes and high wages caused alot of companies to outsource. Where they pay the worker pennys an hour to make a product thats inferior in almost all cases. We used to make stuff here, now we dont make squat. I trust stuff made in china over most stuff made here, here "made in the USA" equals junk. Cars are a HUGE GLARING example. A

If we wanted to fix it, we gotta impose import tariffs on goods and make them build it here. Ala pre 1975 or so. Not only would this create jobs, it would create spending and good spending at that, it would reduce unemployment and make people less dependant on the system.

2. ABOLISH welfare. It serves no real purpose these days and people abuse the hell out of it. Imagine you had zero way to earn money other than work-you bet damn skippy those welfare leeches would go and get a job. Welfare was never designed to be a long term solution, however generations now live off of it and we reward them for living off of it too.

Argh, Im so mad Ill have to finish this later.

ben300

11-07-2012, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by quadrcr161
if your happy then good luck, myself im not knowing O and the dems are going to go after gun control, raise taxes,raise energy prices, pump more money in the green energy crap, allow the epa to push the carbon tax (which will effect your job) once plants close because they cant meet the standards and will appoint one or two liberal judges to the supreme which will alter the way the laws and constitution is viewed.

And Ben i know they say the republicans need to move, but i think society as a whole is declining and more of wanting a hand out which needs to change back to personal responsibility.

its not just people wanting a hand out. the republicans we have in office now, the GOP/Tea Part type, do not relate to most americans anymore....sure they may relate to the bible belt types, but they dont relate enough to the independents and moderates, and the minorities enough to get their votes.

the current republican platform has done themselves a disservice by not try to connect with women, not trying to connect with latinos, blacks, immigrants, gays....they wont budge on issues like abortion, pot, immigration, birth control, tax reform, blah blah, they are just goign to continue to loose more and more of the vote

they just had a thing on fox news, FOX NEWS last ngiht about if the republican party doesnt start trying to connect with the minorities, especially the latino voters, they may never win another presidential election again. this is stated by the fact that florida, a once always red state, no votes blue because of hte heavey, non cuban, hispanic population. and this is soon gonna start to happen the same in georgia, texas, arizona, and other states tlike that, which traditionally would of easily gone to the repubs.......look at texas, romney only got 57% of the vote to PresBO's 41%...ten years ago, romeny would have easlily goten 65%+ of the vote...whats it gonna be like another 8 years from now?

they have to change soem how? better candidates...better ideas...or just acutally ideas with factual proof of waht works...

TacicalRedneck

11-07-2012, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by madskrillz2
I know I am.

same :D

I'm more afraid of the hard-core supporters of obama then him in a way. When his 4 years are up i expect them to riot or something.......

Expect the gov't to control your life more than ever now- :ermm:

Ruby Soho

11-07-2012, 03:32 PM

gov control your life now? what about the woman? republicans say you cant have an abortion? so your cool with the government telling your girlfriend what she can and cant do with her own body? im not to keen on that, im not saying yay everyone have an abortion but thats YOUR choice, not theirs.

there aint no point in arguing. because both parties blow. like i said in my first post we have an ENTIRE government who is corrupt, you can blame the president all you want, but truth is that isnt the problem.

madskrillz2

11-07-2012, 04:09 PM

Sorry to start a thread that was nothing but $hit throwing but I was kinda upset about how it all turned out last night. Nothing we can really do about it now. I'm gonna try to be optimistic this first year and hope he changes my opinions on him. If not, then I'm probably headed to Ireland lol

quadrcr161

11-07-2012, 04:23 PM

In response to Ben's post, I agree with what your saying kinda lol. It had changed, being in Alabama I don't agree with the tea party's religion ideas but its the overall message of responsibility and I think some people just look at one or two ideas. Buts its funny south park was mentioned, I've read where Trey and matt would submitted something so off the wall they knew wouldnt pass that when they submitted the 2nd idea it looked tame and I think that's what has happened to politics, the liberals and progressives have went so far left that when it bounced back society didn't realize they were being moved from the center

madskrillz2

11-07-2012, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by quadrcr161
In response to Ben's post, I agree with what your saying kinda lol. It had changed, being in Alabama I don't agree with the tea party's religion ideas but its the overall message of responsibility and I think some people just look at one or two ideas. Buts its funny south park was mentioned, I've read where Trey and matt would submitted something so off the wall they knew wouldnt pass that when they submitted the 2nd idea it looked tame and I think that's what has happened to politics, the liberals and progressives have went so far left that when it bounced back society didn't realize they were being moved from the center

This is off topic but, as long as I've been here, I've never noticed you're from Alabama lol. Do you know of any tracks that let us practice regularly anymore? I've been out of the loop for awhile now because of school but long story short I'm done with school and have time to ride again. From what I can tell it seems like everyone has kicked us to the curb. I'm actually in the process of getting my track back in shape because of this. I plan on getting a bobcat for a week and redoing everything on it.

quadrcr161

11-07-2012, 05:15 PM

Nope I haven't ridden my 450 but once this year and that was at zachs. Went to watch the 1st sequads race at monster but it rained it out. It sucks so bad I don't evenfeel like riding, plus with a 2 yr old I never have any free time, been trying to put a 416ex together for 2 years for xc, and the midsouth at Perry mtn kicked quads out this year so no rush to finish it now. Billy said Zach had a dozer out redoing his track the other day.

Your kin to Keith arnt you? Or up there by him? You would know me if ya saw me

powerbomb400

11-07-2012, 05:35 PM

The Founding Fathers were smart enough to write a Constitution that does not give complete power to one person or group of people. The power lies within Congress which is groups of people. The President is a reflection of the people. If you want real change you have to start where the real power lies. Start from the bottom and work your way up. If the President wants and does something and Congress don't like then 2/3rds vote overrides. The Senate has just alittle more power than the House. Instead of blaming one man you have to start with blaming the first group of men and work your way up.

MX MaNiAc 06

11-07-2012, 05:37 PM

Off topic from most of you.. Just something I have to get off my chest.

Why is gay marriage even brought up when electing president? Not saying I give a flying hoot whether they can or can't get married. But.. Whether they can or can't ISN'T GONNA DO ANYTHING FOR THIS COUNTRY! Bringing it up at all is just pointless.

But women do care. They will make all kinds of noise about it and if Romney weren't against gay marriage.. Heck he probly would have won.

Not saying I'm for/against gay marriage. I don't want to offend anyone here. But my girlfriend was against Romney just because of his take on gay marriage. I kept saying that it's stupid to base your vote on gay marriage because this is about our country.. Not gays.

madskrillz2

11-07-2012, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by quadrcr161
Nope I haven't ridden my 450 but once this year and that was at zachs. Went to watch the 1st sequads race at monster but it rained it out. It sucks so bad I don't evenfeel like riding, plus with a 2 yr old I never have any free time, been trying to put a 416ex together for 2 years for xc, and the midsouth at Perry mtn kicked quads out this year so no rush to finish it now. Billy said Zach had a dozer out redoing his track the other day.

Your kin to Keith arnt you? Or up there by him? You would know me if ya saw me

Nah we just used to ride his track all the time. That and I'm good friends with his first cousin. Yeah that's what it looks like it's come down to is everyone is having to build their own tracks. Well when mine is finished like I want it, it should be worth a drive to ride. So if you have any folks that would wanna come out you're more than welcome to. I'll let you know when I get it finished.

BlaineKaiser450

11-07-2012, 05:52 PM

Be prepared to start kissing your rights and freedoms away slowly within the next few years....

K-Dub

11-07-2012, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by BlaineKaiser450
Be prepared to start kissing your rights and freedoms away slowly within the next few years....

Not calling you out Blaine, just continuing on your post.

Next few years? How about already. We get Obama care in 2014. Did you or I get a say in Obama care? Did anyone get asked if they wanted Obama care? No choice, this is the land of the free so I should have a choice to decide if I want health care or not.
How about that new terrorist bill. From what I have been able to read about it, it allows the government to detain any person they deem to have terrorist involvement. No due process! No innocent until proven guilty! Are both of these guaranteed to us by the constitution? Basically if they want you to disappear they now have a way to do it with out question.

2nd What happens if Obama signs the UN arms treaty he has been wanting to for awhile? You know the one that deals with how many small arms each country can have, civilians and military combined. We as civilians have more small arms then what the treaty allows not counting our military, from the figures I have found from googleing. Also please do not tell me we have the 2nd amendment and this can not happen. There are loop holes in the constitution that deals with world treaty's we enter into over riding the constitution.

Someone asked what can we do, this country was started by some radical men that went against the tyrants in England. MMMMM maybe it is time for some radical men to kick out the tyrants in Washington. Then put this country back to what those radical men meant for this country to be. Those radical men other wise known as our Fore Fathers!

We the People control the government NOT the government control We the People.

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will because we destroyed ourselves!
Abraham Lincoln.

quadrcr161

11-07-2012, 07:05 PM

Your right kdub, its bad and going to get worse. The liberals have been stacking the cards to get in this position for years, they know the only way to get US to fall is from the inside.

sangheraent

11-07-2012, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by madskrillz2
I know I am.

Don't come to canada we dont want you.

madskrillz2

11-07-2012, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by sangheraent
Don't come to canada we dont want you.

Don't worry. There's no reason I would want to live in that pile of **** country.

blaster12s

11-07-2012, 10:20 PM

ya'll are crazy.

chronicsmoke

11-08-2012, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by madskrillz2
Don't worry. There's no reason I would want to live in that pile of **** country.

lol, pile of ****, please elaborate?

Ruby Soho

11-08-2012, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by K-Dub
Not calling you out Blaine, just continuing on your post.

Next few years? How about already. We get Obama care in 2014. Did you or I get a say in Obama care? Did anyone get asked if they wanted Obama care? No choice, this is the land of the free so I should have a choice to decide if I want health care or not.
How about that new terrorist bill. From what I have been able to read about it, it allows the government to detain any person they deem to have terrorist involvement. No due process! No innocent until proven guilty! Are both of these guaranteed to us by the constitution? Basically if they want you to disappear they now have a way to do it with out question.

2nd What happens if Obama signs the UN arms treaty he has been wanting to for awhile? You know the one that deals with how many small arms each country can have, civilians and military combined. We as civilians have more small arms then what the treaty allows not counting our military, from the figures I have found from googleing. Also please do not tell me we have the 2nd amendment and this can not happen. There are loop holes in the constitution that deals with world treaty's we enter into over riding the constitution.

Someone asked what can we do, this country was started by some radical men that went against the tyrants in England. MMMMM maybe it is time for some radical men to kick out the tyrants in Washington. Then put this country back to what those radical men meant for this country to be. Those radical men other wise known as our Fore Fathers!

We the People control the government NOT the government control We the People.

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will because we destroyed ourselves!
Abraham Lincoln.

your right on that last big paragraph...

look what the people did back in the 60s, they got off of their asses and stood their ground for what they wanted. and it worked....if today this generation did the same, sure it would happen. to bad my generation is a bunch of ignorant *******s and that will never happen.

fastredrider44

11-08-2012, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by quadrcr161
been trying to put a 416ex together for 2 years for xc, and the midsouth at Perry mtn kicked quads out this year so no rush to finish it now.

You can still race Gardensdale, AL. That's still a pretty southern race.

Originally posted by MX MaNiAc 06
Off topic from most of you.. Just something I have to get off my chest.

Why is gay marriage even brought up when electing president? Not saying I give a flying hoot whether they can or can't get married. But.. Whether they can or can't ISN'T GONNA DO ANYTHING FOR THIS COUNTRY! Bringing it up at all is just pointless.

But women do care. They will make all kinds of noise about it and if Romney weren't against gay marriage.. Heck he probly would have won.

Not saying I'm for/against gay marriage. I don't want to offend anyone here. But my girlfriend was against Romney just because of his take on gay marriage. I kept saying that it's stupid to base your vote on gay marriage because this is about our country.. Not gays.

Well said MX. My g/f feels the same way. She did vote for Mitt but wasn't happy about the whole gay marriage thing. So many people voted for the wrong reasons. I don't understand why some people can't look at the whole big picture.

alex-ds

11-08-2012, 09:42 AM

Great idea talking about politics in a "Open Forum" but big forum quads related.....

6 pages nice.... :ermm:

what's next? talk about abortion? religion? economy? third world war?

Don't blame to me, cause i'm from Europe, and here the situation is even worse.

BlasterEaten250

11-08-2012, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by alex-ds
what's next? talk about abortion? religion? economy? third world war?
You choose :macho

quadrcr161

11-08-2012, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by alex-ds
Great idea talking about politics in a "Open Forum" but big forum quads related.....

6 pages nice.... :ermm:

what's next? talk about abortion? religion? economy? third world war?

Don't blame to me, cause i'm from Europe, and here the situation is even worse.

its an open forum, and will effect everyone and their hobby, why not talk about it? its the elephant in the room

blame you? we should, they want us to be a model of your standards, we should be pissed at you, J/k. (See joking) if you are in Europe, please tell us how it is there and if you think we are on the same path. would like your insight on the situation.

alex-ds

11-08-2012, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by quadrcr161
its an open forum, and will effect everyone and their hobby, why not talk about it?

Well, you're right. Will affect directly to our hobby, but i don't wanna see people talking bull**** from another...

You know what happen when people talk about some topics... always appears a troll and ruins the post

I saw on this topic too many **** (meaning bad words)

ok, talk about it, but some quote from rules:

RULES 1. If you don't like someone, make believe you do or don't respond. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. 2. Leave the flamers to the moderators, don't respond.

Originally posted by quadrcr161

blame you? we should, they want us to be a model of your standards, we should be pissed at you, J/k. (See joking) if you are in Europe, please tell us how it is there and if you think we are on the same path. would like your insight on the situation.

I don't know anything about economy, I'm not economist, i don't know who is better (Obama or Romney), i don't care about republicans or democrats, but leaving the country can't be the solution if anyone don't like you president...and amreicans are so much patriot, aren't you? Leave your home? WTF!

I only can tell you in Europe we have a serious problem with economy. We are losing our hobbie due to money, there's not enough quads to run a national, so next year maybe will desappear!!!

If USA situation about quads is complicated, imagine Europe is like 6 times worse. No sponsors, no support, no popularity, no great tracks, only few races, few championships and lot of people selling their quads or stopping racing due to money

P.D: sorry for my bad english, not my natural language and i need to use google translate sometimes for a few words and it's hard to understand some kind of coloquial expresions

TacicalRedneck

11-08-2012, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Ruby Soho
gov control your life now? what about the woman? republicans say you cant have an abortion? so your cool with the government telling your girlfriend what she can and cant do with her own body? im not to keen on that, im not saying yay everyone have an abortion but thats YOUR choice, not theirs.

there aint no point in arguing. because both parties blow. like i said in my first post we have an ENTIRE government who is corrupt, you can blame the president all you want, but truth is that isnt the problem.

By the gov't controlling my life- i mean that michelle obama felt the need to take away salt and pepper from the lunch lines- and a lot of other stuff ;) :D healthcare- rising taxxes- infringement on the 2nd....

abortion- really don't want to get in any debate- but i will state that there is more than the woman at hand-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GzjO14Yetc&feature=related

we have laws that say we can't murder each other- is that infringing on your freedom? We have to draw the line somewhere.
:ermm:

tbrackman84

11-08-2012, 04:49 PM

I didnt get to read all of the posts on here, but I see talk of abortion and voting for the wrong reasons, etc. I am a conservative republican, student of Ayn Rand. To me personally, the fact that the republican party is all about limited government, but they believe that abortion should be outlawed just amazes me. I'm personally pro-choice, which is how I feel all right-wing people should be! If you believe in a limited government, you shouldnt be saying that you think the GOVERNMENT should be able to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. And that idea alone is what deters some people from voting R.

As well as many others of you, i was also very upset with the election. At about 10:00pm i stopped watching it and went and watched south park to cheer myself up. I follow politics closely and have very very pronounced views on things. I believe O is not a good leader and that he is inherently trying to "change" our amazing nation for the worst. For those of you who still feel upset about it, we all just have to grin and bare it, and see what happens

quadrcr161

11-08-2012, 07:22 PM

Same way I feel tbrack, limited gov means limited all the way,

ben300

11-08-2012, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by tbrackman84
I didnt get to read all of the posts on here, but I see talk of abortion and voting for the wrong reasons, etc. I am a conservative republican, student of Ayn Rand. To me personally, the fact that the republican party is all about limited government, but they believe that abortion should be outlawed just amazes me. I'm personally pro-choice, which is how I feel all right-wing people should be! If you believe in a limited government, you shouldnt be saying that you think the GOVERNMENT should be able to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. And that idea alone is what deters some people from voting R.

thats because the prebulican party/GOP/Tea Party...what ever you want to call it.....have swung so far right, to impress there ultra christian religious, super bible thumper base, that they can do anything but play that card.

im socially liberal and financially conservative and i fully believe that it should be a woman, or woman and man's right to choose. i myself would never want my g/f to get an abortion, and would man up and take care of the kid if it happened to me.....but i am in no way shape or form, entitled to tell a person, specifically a woman what she should or shouldnt do with her body, and ultimately affecting her life down the road.

the whoel ultra religious view on this is truly just a fringe view when it comes down to it

ben300

11-08-2012, 07:29 PM

and thats the other thing that gets me about teh republican party....and this was brought up by a caller on mojo nixon's radio show tonight, "lyin c#ocksuckers"........

it blows my mind, that the republican party, from the top down, touts this "liberty" "small gov't" "freedom" stuff.......yet, they wont legalize drugs, prostitution, wont let gays marry, wont let woman choose to do wtih there body what they want, want to eliminate birth control......its just so contradictory and hypocritical

tbrackman84

11-08-2012, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by ben300
thats because the prebulican party/GOP/Tea Party...what ever you want to call it.....have swung so far right, to impress there ultra christian religious, super bible thumper base, that they can do anything but play that card.

im socially liberal and financially conservative and i fully believe that it should be a woman, or woman and man's right to choose. i myself would never want my g/f to get an abortion, and would man up and take care of the kid if it happened to me.....but i am in no way shape or form, entitled to tell a person, specifically a woman what she should or shouldnt do with her body, and ultimately affecting her life down the road.

the whoel ultra religious view on this is truly just a fringe view when it comes down to it

I hear you 100%, and you other guys. My question is whatever happened to seperation of church and state?! If it wasn't for the BS with abortion, gay marriage, etc. I think a lot more people who work and just think in general would be more interested in the right side of politics...

russellsroost31

11-08-2012, 07:58 PM

im bout ready to go hide out in canada or the Colorado mtns

quadrcr161

11-08-2012, 10:04 PM

I'm far from religious, but the right is where its always been, the dems, progressives, liberals have moved so far to the left its ruining the country. Again I am not religious but this was Christian nation and was built on a higher moral standard, hard work and personal responsibility then what it is now. Now the dems feel and have even said (clash of the titans debate) that they feel gov has the right to be involved in every aspect of your life, remember obamas add of the single girl where gov is involved in growing up, education, care of her and her kid and retirement? Also remember the stimulus plan where the gov picked who they wanted to prop up and succeed? Now they have taken over healthcare, and trying to make us Europe, the place we fought to get way from. Look at the people in Katrina and sandy, some were responsible and prepared yet others did not and expect the gov to do everything. It has gotten too big and needs shut down.

Originally posted by ben300
thats because the prebulican party/GOP/Tea Party...what ever you want to call it.....have swung so far right, to impress there ultra christian religious, super bible thumper base, that they can do anything but play that card.

im socially liberal and financially conservative and i fully believe that it should be a woman, or woman and man's right to choose. i myself would never want my g/f to get an abortion, and would man up and take care of the kid if it happened to me.....but i am in no way shape or form, entitled to tell a person, specifically a woman what she should or shouldnt do with her body, and ultimately affecting her life down the road.

the whoel ultra religious view on this is truly just a fringe view when it comes down to it

quadrcr161

11-08-2012, 10:11 PM

If I'm not mistaken the seperation of church and state meant that you could not have one official state religion, people take it for more then what it says. Basically give people the freedom to chose their religon. And IMO gov should not be involved in marriage its just another form of a tax, and again IMO if someone is stupid enough to do Meth/crack they are not going to contribute to society anyway so go ahead and od. Pot isnta harmful drug.

Originally posted by tbrackman84
I hear you 100%, and you other guys. My question is whatever happened to seperation of church and state?! If it wasn't for the BS with abortion, gay marriage, etc. I think a lot more people who work and just think in general would be more interested in the right side of politics...

destey

11-09-2012, 10:00 AM

Will Obama ban ATVs? Liberal VT where I'm from is very anti ATV.

I've heard out west in places like colorado, one can ride ATV and 4x4's on BLM land. How long will that last?

ben300

11-09-2012, 05:06 PM

anyone see tht general petraeus had to resign from teh head of the cia today because he was in an affair?

...whats interesting about that, is that he was supposed to testify thursday about the white house's **** up in benghazi, but now he cant testify, because he's a civilian.........might ****ing fishy!

its like we're living in some ****ty michael bay movie:huh :huh :rolleyes:

CJM

11-09-2012, 05:56 PM

The things we dont know the truth about could fill the entire state of texas.

Hoosierd

11-09-2012, 06:31 PM

Overheard some interesting conversations this week (thanks to cubicals) Do not bash me, I am just posting these so you guys can think, pick, *****, moan, etc.. over them! LOL! Again, leave me out!
;)

One I heard was if the RNC didn't supossedly relate to women and Latinos, then why do they have more Latinos and women in their administration than the DNC. Also, they had the best and brightest of those at the RNC party. Where as the DNC had the biggest embarrasement to women Bill Clinton as their keynote speaker. And now with Obamacare the Goverment controls their health decisions and not their own wishes.

Another on the abortion debate (which will never ever be settled for sure). But this kinda struck a nerve with me. Many of the same arguments for ending slavery dovetail exactly with the same arguments in abortion.......take a minute and think hard about it. It is pretty creepy! Being a child that was adopted and certainly could have been aborted, I really get choked up about this and it hurt to say the least. Thank God I do not face anyone in the office......

Some lady explained it as simply as: you have a guy say we need to roll up our sleeves and get to work, its going to be difficult, we must be fiscally responsible, and maybe we can start to right the ship...or...you can vote for the irresponsible goofball that allows you to do whatever you want and reward you for it, and get free crap, guess who gets elected.

I hate to think Americans would be that nieve but that but it may be somewhat true....somewhat only hopefully.

Take care everyone and ride as much as you can as no matter who you support our riding rights are dwindling everyday. Love every minute of it!

Ruby Soho

11-11-2012, 08:54 AM

^ in a perfect world maybe (about the abortion)

what about woman who are raped? what about all the low life drugaddicts having babies? do you want to adopt a crack baby who even if you take it in and care for it, its life will probably end up ****ed up anyways?

food for thought.

it is what it is, if your going to pack your bags and run away thats your problem, embrace what there is and be optimistic about it.

i wish romney got in, so in 4 years i could tell all the people who hate him and vote for the next ******* to get in, that hey wasnt romney supposed to be all that and then some? just like obama, just like bush, ETC. THEY ALL SUCK!

JForestZ34

11-11-2012, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by ben300
anyone see tht general petraeus had to resign from teh head of the cia today because he was in an affair?

...whats interesting about that, is that he was supposed to testify thursday about the white house's **** up in benghazi, but now he cant testify, because he's a civilian.........might ****ing fishy!

its like we're living in some ****ty michael bay movie:huh :huh :rolleyes:

Not sure how it works but he might still need to testify being it happened when he was in office. It will probably be a closed door hearing or whatever you want to call it. I'm still pretty sure it will happen.

As for who won the election, Both parties will do a crappy job. It's been that way for the last 20 years. We are in this mess because of both parties not just one more than the other.

I have an answer.. Get an independent in office.

James

KKiowaTJ

11-11-2012, 11:02 AM

Uncle bluegum obama and the BLM has been closing jeep and atv trails for the last 4 years. They are working on closing the rubicon trail along with the marines wanting to take over johnson valley california, AKA hammers/hammertown. No reason, Just so they can say they own it and that others cant enjoy it. So **** them too.

They have closed alot of trails in moab which is ran by private and BLM. They have made it in iowa that the only way you can off road in a jeep is illegal, Only a few state places for atv's.

Hes a POS that i hope i get to see shot in the face. But since we have to deal with him another 4 years if nobody has the balls, Im going to exploit him 110%. My jeep and 400ex are going to be 100% built by obama.

I have already got a free obama fone that is through verizon with 4 hours and 20 minutes. Im going to sign up for every free hand out thats possible. That along with free food stamps and im gonna go for "promise jobs" for free money. I highly doubt NASA or the like is hiring but thats where im going to apply along with police chief etc.

I give two ****s less about this country now. That and the fact the country was too stupid and voted him back in, Ill make them pay my way the next four years. They cant make me work, They cant make me pay bills that i will rack up so its going to be fun.

Thank you osama obama, Im glad your all about "hand outs" and i will exploit and take FULL advantage.

QuadJunkies

11-11-2012, 02:17 PM

This was something a friend on mine on Facebook posted... very interesting reading here :

A petition popping up sent me on a bit of a search...... It is coming to peoples attention that there is a large possibility of MASSIVE voter fraud on Tuesday. Democrats will try to call this crazy, or kook, or that we are sore losers... but, look at these links for yourself. In these swing states(many of which DO NO
T require Voter ID to cast your ballot) there was 90 to 160 percent turnout on Tuesday. Voter turnout rarely goes over 50%(41% is the national average), Philadelphia had a 90% turnout... 99% of which went to Obama, and over 100% voter turnout isn't theoretically possible. It boils down to registered voters that never existed, or are no longer in existence, multiple voters, and computer poll rigging.

First link is a PDF file for St. Lucie County, FL...which Obama won, of course. There is only one precinct on the list which had LESS then 100% turnout... this is before provisional ballots, as well.
http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf%20Docs/2012%20General/GEMS%20SOVC%20REPORT.pdf

Second link is an article speaking of the fact that Obama lost in every state that actually requires Photo ID for voting, along with a "glitch" that was laying electronic votes over to Obama, if you didn't catch that glitch.
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/11/voter-id-laws-obama-lost-in-every-state-that-had-them-2521600.html

He didn't win in Georgia, BUT the next is an article pertaining to Fulton County, GA... which has 4 counties over 100%, including one at THREE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED PERCENT voter turnout.
http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/voter-turnout-over-100-some-fulton-co-precincts/nQDFH/

He is only one person, but how common is this? This link is too someone admitting to voting 4 separate times, in 4 separate precincts, on Facebook. Shows the ignorance of the side, I suppose.
http://nation.foxnews.com/voter-fraud/2012/11/05/democrat-admits-hes-voted-four-times-already

Next is a link to an article on a two OHIO election judges being kicked out of polling places, after being caught allowing "same day registers," and giving them a regular ballot, instead of a provisional ballot.. and it being machine counted on the spot.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/06/Report-Two-Election-Judges-Removed-By-Hamilton-County-Ohio-for-Allowing-Unregistered-Voters-to-Cast-Ballots

Next is in Pennsylvania... nearly 70 GOP inspectors were blocked by the Black Panther Party from many polling places. An emergency court session followed, and they were reinstated...but, what happened during that time?
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-conservative/2012/nov/6/voter-fraud-pennsylvania-black-panthers-return-gop/

Numbers on turnout and percentages along with previous story.
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/fraud-in-pa-obama-got-over-99-of-vote.html

Link to potential voter fraud in the battleground state of Ohio.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ohio-voter-registration-fraud/2012/11/03/id/462674

Another in Ohio... people being told they had already voted via absentee, when they arrived at the polling locations on Tuesday.
http://godfatherpolitics.com/7942/ohio-residents-told-they-already-voted-when-they-showed-up-at-the-polls-tuesday/#.UJuBsqfTvHc.facebook

Yet another Ohio..... Romney getting 0 to 94 votes total in some districts. No, not thousand. Literally, 1,337 to 0, 1,740 to 3, 12,857 to 94, 14,686 to 23. 23 districts at 1 for Romney, 21 districts at ZERO.
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html

Colorado numbers
http://www.redstate.com/2012/09/04/colorado-counties-have-more-voters-than-people/

Does anybody find this just a liiiiiiitle strange?

quadrcr161

11-11-2012, 04:34 PM

Voter fraud from the most transparent admin in history? Nooooooo can't be.
I'm glad you posted the links, I knew from the beginning that there was fraud and can't believe Mitt didn't protest it.

I don't want to see him shot, then we would have bide to deal with and all the anti gun people. Would rather see him tried for treason, and jailed, or the same punishment for treason that happens on the white house lawn in the begining.

I really hope some one investigates this, and really digs into it.

KKiowaTJ

11-11-2012, 04:52 PM

Thats what they used to do on the front lawn along with court houses if not at the capital. Thats what i ment and would love to see it on live TV.

When i voted, I read and was told to pay attention to the machine and the count number. Sure enough i had a problem, The lady in front of me was the 363 voter that day, It was 362 before she slid he ballot in. I was behind her and slid mine in and the number stayed the same, 363.

I called the attention of the old as **** people running the place, This old guy came over with keys in his had, Stopped and said "you must have saw the number wrong" it has been working fine all day. I told him that how am i going to see it wrong when im not wearing tri focals and 150 ****ing years old?

The old blue hairs talked for a minute and i just told them dont worry about it because your most likely not going to do **** about it anyways. Got on my smart phone and went straight to iowa voter fraud. I got an email back asap and i guess they are investigating many iowa precints already and they added #12 in my town to the list.

The election was a joke, It was fixed just like ANY chicago scam. One city had a 90% turn out of 900,115IIRC and 99% of them voted osama obama? Yeah ****ing right!!!

So if they want the country this way and the "people" do, Ill sit on my *** just the same and collect hand outs. Thats the american way now........

CJM

11-11-2012, 05:50 PM

Just like the birth certificate, nothing will happen. Remember back to bush, gore clearly won but somehow or another florida and those voter papers with the chads...yea likely story imho..

Whomever really controls it all wants him in and thats that. You cant fight the globalists in charge as we are mere peons to them.

One day people may wake up and do something. right now I doubt this very much. Should something happen, dont expect us as a nation to band together in anything but rural communities really. If you take away food, water or the internet people go ape shiat crazy and bad things happen.

I look to the watts riots or perhaps the rodney king aftermath or maybe post katrina aftermath to think what it would be like here. Warzone is the word Im looking for. Be prepared folks, I dont forsee it getting any better-only worse.

quadrcr161

11-11-2012, 06:51 PM

Very true, they won't do anything, like everything else he has done. Also wasn't there lost early ballets in a plane crash or something? It was clearly rigged and the dirtiest campaign ever. I know it will get bad, and part of me wants the repubs to just give him everything he wants and let him wreck the country, that way its on his head and his ideas. It will be bad for everyone but the conservative will be able to handle the storm, the people who depend on the gov will go down the quickest, just like in the storm, they knew it was coming and didn't prep, now they are pissed the gov hasn't done as much as they wanted,

CJM I see your in Jersey, I hope you are OK up there -

Edit:I just hope they don't give on immigration, there is already a legal way to become a citizen and its tough for a reason.

CJM

11-11-2012, 08:03 PM

Doing fine here quadrcr, power has been back on for awhile now and besides some downed trees Im ok.

But yea, no one will do anything about really. Some might try, but I doubt it will really get somewhere or it would be quelled pretty quick.

Like I said earlier-the birth certificate. Lawyers, activists, etc try to bring it up in court and it gets shot down over and over and. If there wasnt anything to hide they would just let it continue and see where it goes. But of course theres something dirty in that scenario someone doesnt want to come out.

Perhaps like JFK we wont ever really know the whole truth.

KKiowaTJ

11-11-2012, 09:25 PM

Well, The fact hes from chicago area as a politician should be the first sign hes corrupt. All the politicians in illionis/chicago/cook county are low lifes the have always cheated.
They fixed chicago so JFK won illionis

Look at the whole entire past or just the recent. Where are the two former governers blagioavich sp? and george ryan? Prision. In that state you are a crook and get president or prision. Hes black so the race card gave him the upper hand.

Oh well, Take what you can while you can. Like the old saying, If you want peace, Prepare for war. IMO thats what it will come down to again.

ALAMX37

11-12-2012, 06:41 AM

LOL at you guys thinking a vote changes anything at all. Do a little research their gentlemen. Do any of you know about the 13 families of power? I won't go into detail but lets just say they call the shots. GW Bush did not win the electoral vote in 04 but he had already been chosen. Do some research is my only suggestion, 13 families of power, free masons, bohemian grove. They are all real and they are wear the big boys come and play, but just like what the mass american audience is we blame political differences on one another. Neither party has your best interest in mind, Republicans stand for bigger government on a grander scale than any Democrat ever will. They dont call it Obamacare, but they have their own healthcare system that was almost finished before the Democrats took over. All I am saying is this, that guy that voted for Obama, he is a lot more like you than anyone that will ever run this country as they are all puppets chosen to do the powerfuls bidding.

quadrcr161

11-12-2012, 07:48 AM

The republicans have always had those views they havent moved, its the democrats and society that has moved left. Also gov dependency is at a all time high, who that is on it is going to vote to have it reduced? how can capitalism rise if business are held down by regulation? its not a fair playing field if the regulations hurt you but not your competitor, you say closed business will reopen then why do we have such a high unemployment?

as far as drugs legalize everything, if your too stupid to shoot up with meth, go ahead you wont be around long enough anyway and maybe clean out the gene pool some, as far as abortion and gays. the gov shouldnt be involved.

to those who favor big gov or gov involvement what has Greece or the European Union done wrong to get in the mess they are in? and has this government ever showed you that they can do the job better and not be in that mess? Have they ever done anything that worked? We are already 16 trill in the hole without all the issues Greece has.

YFZ-FoFiddy-TC

11-12-2012, 11:09 AM

If you think pot is a drug you're an idiot and have been brain washed by the media to believe false "facts" about it. Pot is far from a drug. If alcohol is legal, why is pot illegal? Please tell me the last time you heard of anyone dying from an overdose of marijuana.... Oh you don't know? That's because it's never happened. You'd have to smoke 3 times your body weight in weed in under a minute to O.D. On it.

quadrcr161

11-12-2012, 11:52 AM

so republicans are racist? how considering the dems voted down the 1st round of the civic rights acts, the dems were in the KKK, several people elected were members of the KKK like robert byrd. do you think welfare is helping the blacks and minorities up or is it keeping them down and under gov control?

thats good that the gov hires out some to private companies but i bet theres money being grabbed even before the job is bid out. BTW shut down the EPA, and its bunch of law writing, non elected board.

the reason jobs were outsourced was because they were taxed, you cant blame the people, anyone would have done it to make money. how about lowering taxes, the epa mandates and regulations and make it business friendly over here. then you also have to get people who actually want to work a full 8 hour day. also there isnt a revenue problem, its a spending problem.

no people dont like obamacare because it inserts the gov into business where they dont belong, which they said will help force them to the single payer. it will raise private insurance cost, pay out less to doctors, and add a tax on business. remember they said it was a tax, also dont forget about the 2500+ pages of rules, and 18,000+ pages of regulations being enforced by the IRS, yea thats a great idea. once the gov is in then they can start regulating, like up in NY, they can say you cant have this or that because its unhealthy, then you can do this or that, like ride a bike or quad because its too dangerous. remember they are regulating that all cars have back up cameras now because less then 100 kids in 10 yrs were backed over.

this is the more left wing liberal groups pushing for these new changes so which side is ignoring the extremes the best? they feel the European model is the best way.

KKiowaTJ

11-12-2012, 12:11 PM

Good ol bill clinton caused the cluster **** of nafta and outsourcing our jobs. The dumbocrats are responsible for that. My father was a UAW and went in one day with 1500 employees, Slick willy signed that bull **** and a week later they were at 450 employees give or take a few. Romneys fault my ***, He was just cashing in before he lost it all in this POS country now ran by half breeds and minoritys.

Yeah the white male is now the minority. But do you think we will ever get minority hand outs like the mexi's and blackies get? Hell no, They will pass us over and give more to the trash cultures.

I will always vote to keep my guns and to get rid of or slow the worthless EPA. They ruin small business, Regulate **** just so they can have their hand in the honey pot.

Just like al gore, The person who wanted re-counts until he won. The same guy who scammed millions to the billions on the "ozone" bullchit. Nothing more than a scam and hes sitting pretty with all the money that was stole and idiots still like him after all the lies.

The country started off great with white males. Now, They can look down and see what happens when you go out back and **** your slaves, They become president somday when they breed like rabbits. Then you throw salt on the open wound by getting a non american muslim. Way to go usa

Oh well, Not like its going to get better and nothing anyone can do. The HNIC makes sure you know that and will sell you out to china at lunch for a few dollars and a round of golf.

KKiowaTJ

11-12-2012, 05:03 PM

The old timers are kicking the bucket. They are the ones who are die hard gop and are firm.

No one will take my guns, ever. They honestly have no right to know when i buy one and what i buy. But thats why mine are bought by family members. No im not a felon or even a trouble some person except on the quad lol.

Im gop, But i also believe that storms and weather dont create queers. If adam and steve want to be as misrable as the rest of most straight people, Have at it. I live in iowa, The mecca for um and can care less what they do.

I also think women should be able to make her own choice "if" the father is 100% out of the picture and it IS her choice. Just like in the work place, If they can carry their weight 100% they are just as good as any other working time clock number.

I love my medical marijuana, It is nothing but a good thing and i wish more thought the same. I no longer take pain pills by the handful. I was a avid drinker until five years ago, Now a non drinker.

Thats what most dem's would put down? No? If worded differnt. I like small business, I dont want to work so i create my own job, Dem's make sure thats not possible unless you have millions already. They dont care what you have to say unless you donate to the dem party.
They want you to be a number. They want gun control which is churched up from im comming for them. EPA is tighter than ****, Have to pay off so many people you cant have your business.

They want more LEO's? Why not train the ones you have? Put the fat *******s on diets then train like you would a marine. That way one cop is as strong as 10 drug runners etc. You dont need 10 more cops, The 25 you have trained correctly is a good start. More less all cops are swat or better. Less crime and they will catch you.

The gop problem, Is that we pick the odd man to run, over and over. The worst out of the bunch, One sided open to no opinion *** clowns.
Im not saying we need a loony toon like ron paul who thinks "its ok" that all countrys have nukes. He is and always will be a nutjob.

Its going to take a strong gop person with strong independent views but with-in the BS guidelines the gop require. But should they put much effort in the 2016 bid? Look at the trillions we will owe, Do you want that reciept?

I voted to stop the spending and all the hand outs under this idiot. Looks like america wants that so ill exploit it to the fullest extent. Fine with me if thats what the country thinks is best.

On a side note though, Is it just me or is being president about being in the lime light and media? The use the media to pound in your head over and over whatever they want and it seems being a pop star isnt enough anymore. Now you have to run a country and run its economy into the ground? Its not about country anymore they are just out there shaking babys and kissing hands and stop for a photo shoot.

madskrillz2

11-12-2012, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by YFZ-FoFiddy-TC
If you think pot is a drug you're an idiot and have been brain washed by the media to believe false "facts" about it. Pot is far from a drug. If alcohol is legal, why is pot illegal? Please tell me the last time you heard of anyone dying from an overdose of marijuana.... Oh you don't know? That's because it's never happened. You'd have to smoke 3 times your body weight in weed in under a minute to O.D. On it.

drug (drug)
1. a chemical substance that affects the processes of the mind or body.
2. any chemical compound used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of disease or other abnormal condition.
3. a substance used recreationally for its effects on the central nervous system, such as a narcotic.
4. to administer a drug to.

I don't care what anyone says, it's still a drug. Not saying I'm against it, I'm actually all for it, but it's still a drug. Just like alcohol and nicotine are drugs right along side heroin, cocaine, meth, etc. Like I said though, I'd vote for it to be legalized. Can't believe there's still a debate over it.

madskrillz2

11-12-2012, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by KKiowaTJ
The old timers are kicking the bucket. They are the ones who are die hard gop and are firm.

No one will take my guns, ever. They honestly have no right to know when i buy one and what i buy. But thats why mine are bought by family members. No im not a felon or even a trouble some person except on the quad lol.

Im gop, But i also believe that storms and weather dont create queers. If adam and steve want to be as misrable as the rest of most straight people, Have at it. I live in iowa, The mecca for um and can care less what they do.

I also think women should be able to make her own choice "if" the father is 100% out of the picture and it IS her choice. Just like in the work place, If they can carry their weight 100% they are just as good as any other working time clock number.

I love my medical marijuana, It is nothing but a good thing and i wish more thought the same. I no longer take pain pills by the handful. I was a avid drinker until five years ago, Now a non drinker.

Thats what most dem's would put down? No? If worded differnt. I like small business, I dont want to work so i create my own job, Dem's make sure thats not possible unless you have millions already. They dont care what you have to say unless you donate to the dem party.
They want you to be a number. They want gun control which is churched up from im comming for them. EPA is tighter than ****, Have to pay off so many people you cant have your business.

They want more LEO's? Why not train the ones you have? Put the fat *******s on diets then train like you would a marine. That way one cop is as strong as 10 drug runners etc. You dont need 10 more cops, The 25 you have trained correctly is a good start. More less all cops are swat or better. Less crime and they will catch you.

The gop problem, Is that we pick the odd man to run, over and over. The worst out of the bunch, One sided open to no opinion *** clowns.
Im not saying we need a loony toon like ron paul who thinks "its ok" that all countrys have nukes. He is and always will be a nutjob.

Its going to take a strong gop person with strong independent views but with-in the BS guidelines the gop require. But should they put much effort in the 2016 bid? Look at the trillions we will owe, Do you want that reciept?

I voted to stop the spending and all the hand outs under this idiot. Looks like america wants that so ill exploit it to the fullest extent. Fine with me if thats what the country thinks is best.

On a side note though, Is it just me or is being president about being in the lime light and media? The use the media to pound in your head over and over whatever they want and it seems being a pop star isnt enough anymore. Now you have to run a country and run its economy into the ground? Its not about country anymore they are just out there shaking babys and kissing hands and stop for a photo shoot.

Haha you sound like you live in my part of the country.

madskrillz2

11-12-2012, 06:39 PM

Oh and who has seen all the states petitioning to secede? Texas has already passed the threshold of 25,000 people in three days. I doubt anything will come out of this but it's pretty crazy that it has come to that.

quadrcr161

11-12-2012, 08:00 PM

Actually Obama did change welfare, he addd a gov wavier and changed what defines as work that was originally in clintons policy making it easier to enroll. They also increased unemployment to 99 weeks, which made people not in as big of a rush to find a job. Theres18 million more people on welfare and foodstamp has increased 122%. Also during one month when unemployment started running out more people went on disaility then joined the workforce.

Originally posted by quad2xtreme
All your other comments are fine. This was isn't correct though. Handouts haven't changed under Obama. Welfare hasn't been reformed during his administration. It is the same now as it was under Bush. They did extend some benefits because quite frankly it had to be extended. When the private sector collasped under Bush (and please let's not argue this one), the gov't had to pick up the slack. There were no jobs to be had so extending benefits was the way to go. This was no different than what happened after 911 and the private sector went bust for awhile.

quadrcr161

11-12-2012, 08:34 PM

I don't disagree with some of your post, from reading it looked like the house voted to block his welfare reform, but then Obama changed the law which made it in effect till the senata voted on it. Also if repubs are for war then what are the rich democrats behind? Education, and green energy?I also agree with disability, people are on it who don't belong yet nothing is done about it.I have 3 herniated disk in my neck and one in the center of my chest, yet I work daily, my wife had open heart surgery at 9 months and works every day with 2 college degrees and never had a problem getting insurance.

As for welfare being temporary how are there generations of families still on it?

I also know loosers who have kids, they got free housing for single moms until he was found living there, they get and sell their food stamps, get welfare and try not to work a certain number of hours so they won't loose their benifits.

Originally posted by quad2xtreme
If you want to setup a conference call, let me know. I can put you into contact with an expert in the field who works with both parties. She will show you that neither party has done anything more than the other to curtail the welfare program.

If you really want to know the real problem with entitlement, it is in the disability program. This is way worse than the temporary folks that collect unemployment and welfare...neither of these programs are perminent in nature.

You should be prepared to discuss special cases too and how single mothers are pushed into welfare due to the need for medical coverage which they can't get from employers like Walmart who won't allow them to work 30 hrs. This isn't something that just cropped up in the last 4 years. Same for parents dealing with kids with autism that need special care.

Tons of people on disability though that don't belong there. They manage to have "cash" jobs and do all kinds of physical labor. Some do have legitimate mental disabilities though...mostly that they don't want to work for anyone and don't have what it takes to be self-employed.

quad2xtreme

11-13-2012, 06:36 AM

both parties are backed by people who are heavily invested in one area of the economy or the other. Both sides want gov't budget spent in the area they are invested to reap the rewards.

Neither party is worth being a cheerleader for.

quadrcr161

11-13-2012, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by quad2xtreme
both parties are backed by people who are heavily invested in one area of the economy or the other. Both sides want gov't budget spent in the area they are invested to reap the rewards.

Neither party is worth being a cheerleader for.

that ill fully agree with, but what are we going to do? just keep taking the shaft?

quad2xtreme

11-13-2012, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by quadrcr161
that ill fully agree with, but what are we going to do? just keep taking the shaft?

Probably not feasible but we need a rich person to step up and truly create a party to save the country that has by-laws that go along with what the people want and then hopefully the people would vote this way. My only concern would be two other parties quickly changing the system so it wouldn't work (this is why other countries get into civil wars...the rules change ahead of progress being made).

Some by-laws I'd like to see...

party-forced term limits so you get in and serve your 3 terms and then you go back to your private life. The positions would have to be better paid though to attract top leadership from private companies. (first term is a learning term only so maybe your vote doesn't count).

There is no special retirement or medical care beyond what any executive would expect in private life.

bills written which provide line item veto capability or break it into multiple bills.

I try to do what my company does...just adjust to the situation. My company maintains a presence in the key areas of gov't spending. Our biggest job is doing analysis to see which segment is going to get the funds. There is a big cost to waiting so you really want to scale and adapt before it happens. This election was tough because it looked to be closer than it really was. And or course, it would be tough of the economy as a whole if all segments of gov't spending pull back. That creates loss of jobs in both the public and private sectors. We do need to cut spending across the board because we just don't have the middle class we once had paying in. It will hurt like hell though. It is difficult for any company to shrink let alone a whole country...that in essense fuels so many private companies.

quadrcr161

11-13-2012, 11:19 AM

i dont see the powers allowing that to happen, i like the idea of the line item veto, but i would rather see each one an up or down vote, no sneaking something inside another bill.

what do you think about the reports comming out about the number of votes being higher then the people registered? do you think there were any fraud in this election? and what to do about those who want to rely on the gov?

quad2xtreme

11-13-2012, 02:01 PM

I think there is some fraud in every election. Not sure it would have changed the overall outcome. There are folks representing each party at every polling station to watch over things. We have a computer system here in NC and they mark you when you are given a voting ballot so I was quite surprised to hear a guy voted 5 times. He reported this on FB and I am not sure it is confirmed. If it were, he should be locked up. Just because you can get away with something doesn't make it ok. You sign that you aren't doing any voter fraud.

There is another Bush coming along soon. I think he has some Latino background in him so perhaps there is new hope for the Republican party.

There truly needs to be gov't assistance for real hardship cases like being born with two heads. I think everyone else who wants gov't money who is capable of working should have to do community service. My sister would say these people need the "daytime" to get training and find a job but I say plenty of people work two jobs and go to school, raise kids, etc. I'd say collecting a gov't check is a choice. If you want it, show up for community work. If you want the freedom to do things your way then make it happen. Just don't put your hand out.

Hardship would be single mom whose husband died due to tradegy and she has a kid with autism that needs specialized care that is very expensive. Instead of her staying home to raise the kid, let's go ahead and give her a break from the kid by letting her work. I'd rather pay for the kid to go to daycare and give them medical than to just let her stay home and collect it all from the gov't. Eventually, she will need to be a productive person in society. Too many stay home for too long then don't want to get into the workforce.

That said, our problems are bigger than welfare. you can take all those folks and give them the kind of jobs that are generally available to them. They still won't get medical (this is a big issue with not wanting to go to work especially when children are involved...they is why employers need to provide it), they still won't earn enough to pay taxes either so it doesn't really help the tax base. There will be a small net difference in the budget but it doesn't add up to enough to turn things around. it's a problem but not a major one.

Disability is a big problem. This is serious money go out the door and these folks can only work for cash...which they can't claim or pay taxes on.

BTW, I am a product of public assistance. My dad worked in a company town owned by Bethlehem Steel. He would have never had the opportunity to go to college and produce 5 kids of which 3 pay dearly in taxes. It was different then though. Somehow he had to sign the house over and payback what he borrowed to make this happen. If not for this type of opportunity, I'd likely be a coal miner myself. My side of the family is a success story. My dad ended up with two Master's degrees. He has 5 kids that have all gone onto higher education. Two are college educated, one is an RN, and two are both certified in heating and air conditioning. My sister that is an RN earned more than the governor in Wisconsin a few years ago...because she works so much OT and works in psych ward at state hospital.

quadrcr161

11-13-2012, 02:19 PM

i completely understand on helping the elderly, those who truly need it. i think it needs to be harder and more over-site to weed out those who just want to ride the gov train. as far as people who wont get insurance, thats their personal choice and they need to be the ones who set their priorities, if a $100 smart phone bill each month is more important then their health, then so be it. thats one huge problem is people dont want to make sacrifices, they want it all. If people want better jobs and they dont have an education they should look into the trades, its getting hard to find certain skills and companies will pay money for the skills. The trades needs to be pushed to show its better then what they make it out to be.

CJM

11-13-2012, 02:47 PM

In the end however, you cant fix the system. Its grown to big and to broad and powerful to just step in and begin to even try. Many have tried before to change things, they get shut out b/c what they want to do wont make money.

Politicians (about 90% of them) dont care about you or the issues. What they care about is MONEY. What other job can you work 3 actual months out of the year and make off like a bandit in pay? They would support making everyone in the US eat hotdogs for every meal of the day if it made them money or kept them in office.

Problem is the situation is so bad that the only thing that will happen is it gets even larger and finally implodes on itself. Eventually the spending will become to great and the debt to high to maintain even slightly. IE: When your costs out weigh your money intake you got a HUGE problem. Thats where we are at currently.

But they continue to spend, to provide for the needs of the many (who really dont need it) vs those who actually deserve it. IE: People are LAZY and collect welfare and supplemental income b/c they dont want to work. They will do ANYTHING not to work. Or worse, they hand these people jobs. Call up your county or state govt. The people are totally incompetent in almost all cases-yet with minimal work they make more cash than many who work much harder.

People are lazy,t hey rather collect than work. Others work 2-4 jobs to support there family. Somehow they seem to be able to do it..yet the lazy have nots dont even want to. My aunts a shining example: Married to a lazy guy who wont work, she herself is lazy and proceeds to only get jobs that benefit her. She wont work or she will quit jobs where they actually make her do soemthing. So she constantly begs my grandmother and my mom and her sister for money. FUNNY b/c we worked hard for it, she even come out and said shes to lazy and doesnt want to work. So Uncle Sam is paying her (or was) until it ran out (unemployment) b/c she was fired from her last job at kohls ffs. Imagine a 45yo old woman expects to make enough moneyw orking part time at kohls to support an apartment? A car? Shes in so much debt that I think she will die before she pays it off-cause she has to have stuff.

Reminds me: Those on welfare, they aint spending it on what they need. They somehow figure out how to milk the system and buy very fancy expensive stuff instead of paying for food and shelter. I dont have no cadillac-but the jerk on welfare does and has a lcd tv, etc.

Ugh..makes me so mad. Honestly we need another war. One here..one where it rids us of this oppressive govt and the leeches that feed off of us and the govt. I hate to say it, but eventually I believe we will see a civil war. But this time it wont be industrial vs agrarian society-its gonna be a race war.

quad2xtreme

11-13-2012, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by quadrcr161
[Bas far as people who wont get insurance, thats their personal choice and they need to be the ones who set their priorities, if a $100 smart phone bill each month is more important then their health, then so be it. thats one huge problem is people dont want to make sacrifices, they want it all. [/B]

That is basically the issue today. There aren't 30 million people without health insurance. They just go to ER, don't pay the bill, and eventually the hospital is reimbursed by federal gov't.

In essense, Obamacare says that if you don't make enough money we won't make you get the insurance or pay a fine but if you are over a threshold, we are going to make you pay for insurance instead of getting that smart phone. This is a case where the gov't is saying people aren't responsible enough and the gov't has to stop paying the medical bills. It is a hard, cold world though to turn someone away when they walk in with a baby with no coverage. Do we just say "use your cell phone and see if you can figure it out through the Internet"?

Part of the reason there are so many low income earners who do support Republican party is 1) they know the republican party can guarantee them low paying jobs they are qualified to do and 2) they won't be forced to spend their money on healthcare...they will continue to rely on getting a gov't handout for this.

Everyone thinks gov't assistance is just getting a welfare check. It goes deeper than this. I did the math based on last year's spending and estimated census numbers. Our federal gov't still outlays $10,800 for every US Citizen in the country even after deducting corporate tax contributions. If you are a family of four, you need to be paying in about $44k in federal taxes (which includes Social Security) to cover the services your family receives. If you aren't then you are benefitting from socialism (meaning somebody else is paying your way). I know many people without health insurance that just risk it and know that the ER is there worst case. So yes, this is a form of welfare too. Honestly, many folks don't have the choice of paying for healthcare. If they did, they wouldn't be able to eat. The real issue is America is used to having services like a Tier 1 nation but we've outsourced so much that we can no longer provide services at this level. We could do it when we had a large protected middle class (protected by favorable trade agreements and unions). Once we did away with both of these to increase corporate profits and allow competition in a world market, we lowered our standard of living to that of the other nations we are competing with. Honestly, it is why Obama doesn't think we should be focusing on manufacturing. To compete, we have to pay people next to nothing to work in nasty conditions and no health benefits. His idea is that we become the educated country in the world and focus on the markets that require educated workforce. Not saying I agree or disagree...just his thoughts on how you have a new middle class. I understand where he is coming from in terms of my company. All 6,250 people are well into middle class income because we are a IT consulting type company. Everybody is well educated...even our receptionists are college grads just looking to move into the next job in the company. The problem with this is we still need customers for these services outside the US. My company used to sell IT services abroad but it isn't woth it due to tax complications and our laws are different that prevent you from competing in countries where bribes are just a business expense.

FHKracingZ

11-13-2012, 05:20 PM

quad2extreme you a very intelligent person and this thread is great and insightful because of your post.

I totally agree. We as a country cannot living in this false economic security Obama has created. If our economy were working correctly from a MACRO perspective, we would not be adding trillions of dollars in debt. Productive members of society cannot continue to pay the way of others that are leaches.

Abortion, gay marriage, and other leading social issues are not going to mean ANYTHING when our government's economy is near death.

As a college student that is taking business classes and some political classes we learned that if you poll 100 people of a controversial topic or politician you will receive ATMOST 60/40 results usually within the 55/45 range. Somebody please explain to me why 93% of black voters voted for Obama. I get called a racist for voting for Romney yet 93% of black people voted for Obama because hes black, not because they agree with his policies. Blacks receive about 33% of all aid DESPITE only making up 13% of the countries population. To me that seems like some group is not pulling their weight to help out their fellow Americans. That is not racism that is the cold hard truth.

There is NO accountability in America anymore and it makes me sick. 100 years ago Obama would of been impeached by the 3rd year. What do we do now? We vote him back into the white house. Poor choice.

Its going to get ugly in American in the next 10 years, mark my words. :(

BShipmanFilms

11-13-2012, 08:44 PM

I don't believe in our leader but I believe in this country. This country has given millions of lives the ability to pursue their dreams with the freedoms we still have. I'm not fleeing the country at the first sign of trouble. There are people dying for us to sit here and *****.

Don't bail on the U.S.
Blake Shipman
BShipman Films

KKiowaTJ

11-13-2012, 08:45 PM

Like mentioned and i cant wait, For another civil war. Thats the only way the country will get back on track. Plus we can get rid of illegals and cut down a good population of other than white.

Plus it will weed out for population control, Just like storms do. But the bleeding hearts wants everyone to live 100years.

The election was a joke, It was pointless to vote, **EDITED BY MOD - If you want to debate, that's fine. But we won't put up with racial slurs**
I voted for romney and if you want to call me racist so be it, I am toward all the low lifes that wanted all the handouts.

Like the old saying goes, If ya cant beat them, Join them. Thats exactly what i plan to do. Why do people even care anymore?

Your not going to change anything or any minds that seem to want the country this way. Look, We tried and got beat by cheating.

If you want peace, Prepare for war and thats what we should do. The tree huggers will hug trees, I will buy magazines and ammo to fill them.

My father worked his *** off for 35 years at the backhoe capital of the world. He is in no better shape than the rest of the country. They bled him dry of taxes, He makes too much for any kind of assistince, so hes ****ed. Thats why i will be lazy and make the same amount if not more than most working 2+ jobs.

Oh well, It will get bad enough i will start buying and getting things the old way, with a 6 gun.
If you think im nuts, so be it. But just sit and bide your time and you will find yourself gearing up the same way. If you dont, You will be one of the first to go.

quadrcr161

11-13-2012, 08:49 PM

Quad I agree with some of your thoughts but, you need manufacturing and you need all levels of skills, the most educated usually are the less able ones. Education is good to have but there are so many useless degrees that mean nothing and the ones coming out are in a flooded market. We spend more per student then anywhere in the world yet are middle pack if that. People are more worried about going pro then the free education they could be getting.

We can't keep spending more then we take in, it just doesnt work, and we can't keep injecting the government into everything. If the gov would get out of healthcare and allow companies to see across state lines then you would see the free market work. Just because obamacare says they will make people pay that are lower income I just don't see it happening, they havent forced anyone to do anything yet except pay taxes.

My wife has 2 degrees, I have some college but didn't finish, I make more due to my skill, I'm a cat II ISO vibration analysis and the 1st one that's called when theres an issue at the mill, and called by the engineers.

quad2xtreme

11-14-2012, 05:47 AM

We will always have all skill level of jobs...just saying we can't compete in manufacturing where folks in other countries are willing to work that hard just to eat and breathe. Some of these countries are where we were 100 years ago where our workforce was willing to work 16 hr days in ****ty conditions. My grandfather's first job started at age 14 with Bethlehem Steel in Marianna, PA. He didn't graduate from high school obviously. There was zero need.

In order to compete in these markets, the corporations want zero taxes, ability to forego paying health benefits, and pay low wages. In the end, all these "income earners" still won't pay federal taxes...thus they will still be receiving services they aren't paying for.

The Republicans are absolutely correct that we can generate jobs in this country...albeit be prepared to a change in living conditions versus what our parents were able to do in the 40's, 50's and 60's. My dad raised 5 kids on a single salary. Albeit, we were mid-range low class for sure. We can employ everyone as long as they don't aspire to middle class. We just don't have enough middle class paying jobs in this country to support our spending habits.

Quite frankly, we have too many people in this country and it is growing. We rely on population growth to stimulate the gross national products, create demand, etc. We'd be better off being a lean, mean country that excels past the world in areas like technology.

quadrcr161

11-14-2012, 05:58 AM

i agree there are too many people in the country, and the gov giving pathway to the millions of illegals wont help one bit. the unions have raised the wage for non-skilled labor to the point noone can compete, but we also set ourselves up when we cater to the lower countries on our trades, plus the dollar being inflated. back in the 50's were a different time, not as many toys and parents giving their kids anything they want. notice i said giving. We also can be a good middle class, if we wernt taxed so heavily to pay for the handouts. I would be willing to use tax money for a one way trip into europe for anyone who wants the cradle to grave government.

when it boils down to it its the spending thats eating this country, from people spending their money on what they want more then what they need to the gov spending money wanting to buy votes of the people who dont want to make the right personal choice.

quad2xtreme

11-14-2012, 06:20 AM

I would support a bit more of a flat tax structure...

If you are a family making $200k or more, you pay a minimum tax rate of 22%. There is no reason my wife and I pay 22% and Romney paid 14% except that he can get his earnings put into stock and not cash in for a year and only get taxed at capital gains rate. The rate needs to go back up to what it was during the Clinton years. This is just a way of hiding taxable income. We are supposed to have a graduated tax structure but it isn't at all. I wish I could forego a year or pay and get my company to pay me in stocks instead of cash. I could live off savings for a year and then lower my taxable income down to about 10%...remember I will pay 15% but still take deductions. I might even drop below 10%...I'd have to do the math.

Some would say it isn't fair that the wealthy have to keep paying in even though they personally don't reap any more from government services than the next guy. I disagree with that. I've paid property taxes which mostly goes to education. I am told that I still benefit from an educated society. With that said, there wouldn't be a Microsoft without our educational system. Microsoft wouldn't exist without educated people to buy their product, etc. So yes, Bill Gates should pay a minimum of 22% of all earnings to the federal gov't for every dollar earned because he is reaping his riches based on services being provided to the people of the country.

If Romney could have convinced 1/2 the middle class that he was reinvesting the difference between what he should be paying in taxes versus what he actually was back into America and generate additional middle class wealth, he'd be President right now. The problem is that we know he just took the earnings and stuck it in Swiss bank accounts, investing in the Bahamas and other non-US activities.

I would have voted for Ross Perot in a minute. This is a guy who understands America and knows how to generate a middle class all the while getting rich himself. He warned us about NAFTA. Nobody wanted to listen to this skinny little man with big ears.

In a nutshell, I think taxing the rich is something that has to happen for the good of the country. I don't care how it is done...higher tax rates, remove deductions. The net effect has to be more earnings going to the federal gov't. I just don't see how lowering taxes to the middle class and upper class is going to generate so much more tax paying base that it is a net positive move. I think we have to have additional taxes and big spending cuts across the board. Yep, military (I know, I am unPatriotic apparently, Health, Retirement, Education, welfare, disability). I wouldn't so much cut welfare at all. I'd just call it a gov't job and make them show up to do work like cleaning graffiti, the streets, etc. They can figure out how to get ahead in life when they get home...you know...when all the other people are working that 2nd job.

quadrcr161

11-14-2012, 07:08 AM

a flat tax would be nice, would also get rid of the loop holes that people who pay accountants to find. I cant blame Romney for looking for loop holes, i would to and so would any other person. I also dont think taxing the rich will work except to show the lower classes "yea we got them". I dont like that i get put in a different tax bracket because i work too much OT, ive had times where ive earned less because i had too much OT. The mill employs here know their hour limit on OT and wont go over it. Romney did invest back in America, he has created more jobs and gave more to charity then obama and biden combined. i remember Ross Perot and i agree he did have some wisdom but noone listened.

i also dont get that educated people are only ones buying microsoft, or higher end electronics, most welfare people i see have computers, smart phones ect. plus part of the school money goes to athletics, the football program at some schools could probably pay for itself but not cover all the other sports, and someone has to. Personally sports shouldnt be in the education system, look at the higher educated systems, they spend less per student and i bet they dont have as many electives. look at GE, obamas job csar, he hasnt paid taxes and shipped jobs over seas, but he wasnt mentioned during the election. i personally believe obama only wants to add people on the gov tit just to have more power, he has stated it several time in the past.

i still think its a spending problem and raising taxes on anyone will just give the gov more to spend, it wont fix anything. they dont know how to stop.

quad2xtreme

11-14-2012, 08:20 AM

I was only talking about increase in tax as "part of the way" to fill the gap. We could revert spending to our current tax base but then the Republicans cry about any of it coming from defense budget??? Across the board cuts really have to be everywhere. And do remember the flip side of huge cuts in government spending is private sector unemployment. When that happens, these people are generally forced into lower paying jobs. My company had 8,500 employees. We have about 6,250 right now (honestly we are lean and mean working OT to fill the voids before the tax cuts come into effect...we are positioned ahead). Of the ones I know, I know one guy who took another job and got a raise. The rest are out of work or took significant cuts. Many have lives based on $100k salaries so they can't take a 40k a year job. The net effect of this is these folks aren't paying taxes in now. This is what I mean when I say gov't and private sector has to work in harmony. It takes two different mindsets and skills to do each. The gov't can't completely operate as a business as many think it should. I do to an extent but also understand there are different mindsets. My company isn't worried about what happend to those 2,250 employees and what the effect is on the federal government. We are a private company looking out for our wealth. It is somebody else's problem what to do with these people. See, different mindset. our mindset is we owe nothing to those who worked for us during the good times. They were compensated at the time and that is all it is about. When the gov't simply cuts spending, they have to consider the other side of it as the government is somehow held accountable for "federal unemployment" Why is that? Why don't we ask private industry to be held accountable? Why can't private industry suck it up from time-to-time and forego some profits to carry people who have been lawyer. Both democrats and republicans suddenly look to the federal gov't for explanation and accountability. Why don't the Republicans ask their state why unemployment is so high and hold the private businesses accountable. Isn't it the states responsibility to bring business into that state, etc. When times are bad, everyone wants to hold the federal gov't responsible.

State are running into the same issues. There tax base has been depleted. Truth is too many services are being provided that can't be funded. People got used to the golden life and think it is a God given right. They don't know what it is like to live differently. My parents never had a credit card. People can't imagine living like that now. Back in the day, if you could get credit...you didn't actually need it. I've said this before, Americans better get used to living in more poverty like the rest of the world. The rest of the world doesn't have the answer and neither do we.

BTW, the main reason the Reagan years was so successful is the personal credit market was opened. Instead of the federal gov't going into debt to cover wants and needs and to try to fuel the gross national product, people went into debt. Same outcome. It created a false economy based on borrowing. Eventually the public started defaulting...or couldn't borrow anymore so it slowed down spending.

Anyhow, all this is taking too much time. Hopefully it just gives a little perspective. Quite frankly, I can become one of those people who do nothing but talk about it and try to enlighten others to at least seeing why people might have voted "stupidly" for that guy again...but I won't. I have to get busy keeping myself in the middle class. There are smart people on both sides of the fence. I sit so close to the middle it isn't funny...Romney just scared me with all the ultra conservative talk and my distrust that his job growth was all about "low income" job growth. I can be criticized for my thinking but quite frankly I came from the low class and now that I am out of it...I never want to be forced back into it. Greedy rich people scare me.

quadrcr161

11-14-2012, 08:40 AM

Thanks for your input, you have seemed to survive in rough times before. i am one i like other peoples view even if i dont agree with it all i would at least like to hear it and have their train of thought explained.

but you said. many are use to $100k yr jobs wont take a $40k yr job, then what are they doing now? did they get another $100k yr job or relying on the gov? why should the private sector be held accountable for unemployment when they either dont have the availability for openings or will loose profit just to hire someone, which will make the company and remaining employes less profitable?

also i can understand Romney putting you off but how did obama not with his lack of any progress in 4 yrs? at least romney did work across the party lines when he was a governor. if people are trying to start a business or move up and make profit knowing they will be held accountable for someone else then not as many people will try to better their position.

if you dont have time to respond thats fine but i would like to continue even through pm when you have time.

quad2xtreme

11-14-2012, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by quadrcr161
Thanks for your input, you have seemed to survive in rough times before. i am one i like other peoples view even if i dont agree with it all i would at least like to hear it and have their train of thought explained.

but you said. many are use to $100k yr jobs wont take a $40k yr job, then what are they doing now? did they get another $100k yr job or relying on the gov? why should the private sector be held accountable for unemployment when they either dont have the availability for openings or will loose profit just to hire someone, which will make the company and remaining employes less profitable?

also i can understand Romney putting you off but how did obama not with his lack of any progress in 4 yrs? at least romney did work across the party lines when he was a governor. if people are trying to start a business or move up and make profit knowing they will be held accountable for someone else then not as many people will try to better their position.

if you dont have time to respond thats fine but i would like to continue even through pm when you have time.

Honestly I put both at about equal when it came to the economy...wasn't sure Romney understood the gov't side of the equation as he only talked about private business success which was Bain buying companies with middle class and outsourcing. Great business man no doubt but not sure it equated. I was very uncomfortable going back to what Bush did. We were on the verge of a major collapse in the private sector 4 years ago. I wish the economy did better over these past 4 years but the collapse didn't happen, things seem to be on the rebound now, and all this happened with a Republican party that outright intended to stall any efforts even when they had a bipartisan super committee in agreement. I didn't take lightly to the party putting their interests over the people of the country. Now this is going to surprise you...I once held a Republican office and used to walk door-to-door in support of the party.

I was concerned about far right wanting to get religion back into gov't too much in the area of abortion and stem cell research. I felt more comfortable that moderates would get on supreme court with Obama than having some far conservative there from Romney.

Here's a good map to study that really shows America and why the Republicans have their work cut out for them. I will support the Republican party again no doubt...when I think the message is more towards the middle and for the people. I just don't feel that way right now. We aren't red and blue as much as we are purple everywhere.

http://gizmodo.com/5960290/this-is-the-real-political-map-of-america-hint-we-are-not-that-divided?fb_action_ids=10151245238721248%2C10151245 231316248%2C10151243945901248&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210151245238721248%22%3A137 138206433960%2C%2210151245231316248%22%3A294260180 692691%2C%2210151243945901248%22%3A516282301722735 %7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151245238721248%22%3A%22og .likes%22%2C%2210151245231316248%22%3A%22og.likes% 22%2C%2210151243945901248%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=[]

KKiowaTJ

11-14-2012, 10:01 AM

Thats why we will fail. You think if i had millions i have to pick up the slack of low lifes? Thats BS, EEveryone should pay the same tax, I dont care if it put you under or just a glitch on a radar, Same flat tax.

Just because a person is savvy and can make better choices than the next guy he has to pay for his blunders? **** you!! If you cant afford your 52" flat screen and all the toys on your pay, Get a better job or go back to a black and white and mass transit.

Thats why im glad i work for myself out of my garage and cash only. Only a fool would report what cash earnings they made just to be spent like a retard.

I like how everyone likes to blame bush. Seems hes always the fall back blame. The country ran fine and many people had money and there was always another job if you didnt like the current.
The only person in the last 30 years that ****ed us was slick willy clinton and nafta. Before that the pay scale was higher for labor jobs. He sold us out first and obama is working on the rest.

quadrcr161

11-14-2012, 10:08 AM

i kinda see what your getting at but not sure if i agree seeing obamas ideas and what he even said before his first term. the big republican party that help hold off his views was voted in by the people to do that, i think we would be even worse off if they didnt. im not in the republican side 100%, but i think its the best option. I personally dont think the gov should be involved in gay marriage, or even straight marriage, stem cell research, drugs or even abortion, and i dont think it should be as big of a ticket as it is theres bigger things thats the issue. imo the ones who have multiple abortions are better off and have no true self worth, but the ones who have self worth it will mentally effect them after the 1st one and they will generally learn a lesson. (hope i explained it right).
as far as the supreme court, that scares me the most, he will not appoint a moderate, it will be a far left liberal which will change the constitution and even our rights.

edit, im not a huge fan of how involved this admin has been with the un.

quad2xtreme

11-14-2012, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by quadrcr161
i kinda see what your getting at but not sure if i agree seeing obamas ideas and what he even said before his first term. the big republican party that help hold off his views was voted in by the people to do that, i think we would be even worse off if they didnt. im not in the republican side 100%, but i think its the best option. I personally dont think the gov should be involved in gay marriage, or even straight marriage, stem cell research, drugs or even abortion, and i dont think it should be as big of a ticket as it is theres bigger things thats the issue. imo the ones who have multiple abortions are better off and have no true self worth, but the ones who have self worth it will mentally effect them after the 1st one and they will generally learn a lesson. (hope i explained it right).
as far as the supreme court, that scares me the most, he will not appoint a moderate, it will be a far left liberal which will change the constitution and even our rights.

edit, im not a huge fan of how involved this admin has been with the un.

I see all your points too and went back and forth. Like I said, I am very liberal conservative or very conservative liberal. I will also say it is possible I voted the wrong way. I will say for sure that the Dems have another 4 years to show me they can fix this. Right now the ship is just staying above water enough for me to breathe. I'd like it to be high enough that my clothes are dry. If we are still here in four years talking about needing more time to change things around then I would likely go the other direction.

I also contributed $200 above and beyond my membership fee to NRA even knowing they were endorsing Romney. I hoped some of that money also went to make the Democrats realize how important our gun rights are and to not mess with those. I'd like to see any form of gun control leave the political scene altogether. Luckily, I think they get the message and know they can't do anything about it. I have every intention of doing what I can do during the next 4 years to fight the democrats in any change to gun control if it means getting back out there and talking to people door to door.

I've been involved in fighting for our riding rights and for private pilots too. People think the democrats are trying to close the riding areas, etc. This isn't a political agenda...these groups don't care who is in office and there are tree huggers in both parties. Their agenda is to control both parties and remove access. This is something we all have to fight no matter which party you are in. If you are a democrat tell your democrat leadership hands off or you will vote them out. If you are republican, tell your leadership the same thing. Contribute to Blue Ribbon or one of the organizations. They are truly the ones helping fight much of this. They have the expertise...they just need to funds to employee the right people too. This is a full time job. I'd rather pay somebody else to do it as much as I can so I can work and play.

quadrcr161

11-14-2012, 11:10 AM

im not a religious republican nut but i do believe they have a better view for the most part, although smaller less important issues are brought up and made into larger ones. o really scared me more then hillery because of his extremest views, its hard to look past him when he says he want to bankrupt the coal ind, raise energy prices to force people to green energy, says he is transparent yet spends millions sealing his records and yet has no real history, also when he shuts down drilling, i mean there is a list of things he has said that the media never touches on.

part of me would love to be involved more, but i like to keep thinks simple, and yes or no, not a big fan of how politics work.

quad2xtreme

11-14-2012, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by quadrcr161
I dont like that i get put in a different tax bracket because i work too much OT, ive had times where ive earned less because i had too much OT.

i also dont get that educated people are only ones buying microsoft, or higher end electronics, most welfare people i see have computers, smart phones ect.

There is never a threshold were you pay more in taxes for crossing a threshold. We have a progressive tax system where your lower dollars are still taxed at a the lower rate. When you creep into the next level then those dollars are at the next rate bracket. If your take home pay ends up being less that is because your payrole department is too lazy to make the adjustments. You will get that money back when you file your taxes.

What I mean by Bill Gates or any company benefitting from our overall gov't is that welfare people can read too...and got educated in public school system. Microsoft employees use US roads to get to work, they use electrical generation that a large portion was funded by federal government. Society really doesn't exist without a government. If not for the US gov't, Bill Gates would not be a rich man. There is no reason we should cut him a break so he pays less than a middle class person. Tax him at a certain rate on all income no matter what. What we have now is effectively a tax cap put in place for them. Same as Romney. 14% tax rate is ridiculous when middle class pays higher than that.

Like I said, a few simple changes and Obama and I would be paying about 8%. We'd both ask for our pay to be in stock options so we could just cash out a year later and pay capital gains. I would do this year after year. I'd just wait one year to cash in on my previous year's salary. Once you did this for me, I'd finance a yacht and claim it as a 2nd home...might even turn it into a rental business that manages to lose money of course but at least I can write that off against my capital gains income. Might be able to get myself down to zero. I wouldn't be the first rich person to do it but might be the first middle class person to make it happen.

quadrcr161

11-14-2012, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by quad2xtreme

What I mean by Bill Gates or any company benefitting from our overall gov't is that welfare people can read too...and got educated in public school system. Microsoft employees use US roads to get to work, they use electrical generation that a large portion was funded by federal government. Society really doesn't exist without a government. If not for the US gov't, Bill Gates would not be a rich man. There is no reason we should cut him a break so he pays less than a middle class person. Tax him at a certain rate on all income no matter what. What we have now is effectively a tax cap put in place for them. Same as Romney. 14% tax rate is ridiculous when middle class pays higher than that.

That's true to an extent, but he and other wealthy guys don't need to make anymore and could close shop instantly if they wanted to, or felt that were taxed too much. Then what would happen? I don't believe the you didnt build it comment that o made. France voted to tax the wealthy at 75%, guess what's going to happen to that income the gov counted on when they say screw it and close up or leave , they have that ability. Raising taxes is never a good thing, was it in Cali or new Mexico where they raised tax on the water saying it was going to bring in so much and the people cut back on water use which caused them too loose money? Which they tried to make up by raising the price again. Same thing with gas/fuel, the gov makes more on profit then the oil company, price/taxes go up people cut back.
I think in a way the you should get a tax break as you move up, what other modivation would you need? Who would want to stay poor when they could work their way up.

quadrcr161

11-14-2012, 08:14 PM

Another thing, the federal gov doesnt deal with roads, its based off of local and state if i remember right, and they can't do as well as a private company can. When i lived in bham we has a tractor trailer crash and burn down an overpass. They farmed it out to a private company and gave them like a 3 month deadline and a bonus if they made it before, to rebuild the whole overpass. They beat the deadline and worked through the night doing it, you could actually see progress each day. Where I am now they have been repavng a 2 lane for 3 months and not through yet. Alabama is a right to work state but the union keeps they from working too hard and over employed, here are people sitting around watching others work. At the mill I'm at the union has it worked out to pay people who just walk around greasing motors 36$ an hour.

CJM

11-14-2012, 08:16 PM

Just watch this..it will make you sick http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DL-a-r7iJIU

Chit

11-15-2012, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by CJM
Just watch this..it will make you sick http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DL-a-r7iJIU

Yes. He is a moron.

quad2xtreme

11-15-2012, 05:42 AM

the talk is just about letting tax breaks expire where they go back to what they were during the Clinton years. There is about zero proof that putting the tax cuts into place has had a positive outcome in jobs, the economy, and deficits. Nobody is talking 75% at all. Heck Obama will settle for them coming up to 22% like the middle class pays.

When you are making money, you don't close up shop. These companies are making tons of money. John Stewart had a funny one on Papa Johns owner who was complaining how it was going to impact his business. Just watch this...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secession-petitions-now-filed-50-states-183500440.html

quad2xtreme

11-15-2012, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by CJM
Just watch this..it will make you sick http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DL-a-r7iJIU

this does make me sick. Just wish either party would solve it in the last 40 years I've witnessed it. Republicans make a big deal about it every election like it is the centerstone of difference in thinking between the two parties and yet they haven't changed it or solved it while in office. After this long, I don't buy that either party has it as a big agenda item. People on the website talked about it at length as the single biggest problem with the economy and yet neither Presidential party talked about it as being the cornerstone to how they were going to fix the economy.

I get the same sick feeling when I watch that motorcycle club in Baltimore riding wheelies on dirtbikes all over the city. Bunch of losers...except I will admit they can ride wheelies like I've never seen.

quadrcr161

11-15-2012, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by quad2xtreme
Nobody is talking 75% at all. Heck Obama will settle for them coming up to 22% like the middle class pays.

When you are making money, you don't close up shop. These companies are making tons of money. John Stewart had a funny one on Papa Johns owner who was complaining how it was going to impact his business. Just watch this...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secession-petitions-now-filed-50-states-183500440.html

noone is talking 75% yet, but it wasnt in the plan over in France either. its been proven that this type of gov dosent work, they cant afford it, and it hasnt worked anywhere else either. when your making money you dont close up, unless its more trouble then its worth.

quad2xtreme

11-15-2012, 08:37 AM

There has to be some level of taxing. The right mix of taxation and spending appears to have been during the Clinton years. We've gone off course since. We outsourced our tax base to better compete in a world economy that didn't generate more jobs (thus more taxes) as we were promised. At the same time spending went through the roof including a couple of wars...that the Republicans still don't want to relinguish...because it impacts the bottom line of the investments.

We can talk round and round about this. It really started with a discussion on what really drove people to vote democrat. I've actually read a bunch of articles now out in the media. Even the Republican supporters have figured out they have to move away from their old strategy. It didn't work in 2008 or 2012 and will not work in 2016. If things don't change, the next step will be a democratic house. Look at the voter blend I sent the link to. There aren't hardcore Republican and Democratic states anymore. Even Texas is likely to become a democratic state by the next election.

I don't favor a one party system. I am not even a democrat...or a republican. I am just an Independent trying to enlighten people to a middle of the road viewpoint since so many Republicans couldn't understand what happened.