CanAm 2013 ?

[copedaddy]

Word on the street is that CanAm is pulling support for mx in 2013 and Natallie is riding RED again. Does anyone have any ammo to go either way on this ?

[Lquad71]

Ive heard the same though i cant confirm it.

[turdboy]

Casey Greek is selling a bunch of can-am stuff, but he has already said that can-am is not pulling out. I wonder whats up.

[Lquad71]

also heard that if fredrick wants a quad ride then its out of his pocket and if he wants to do utv racing then they will fund that for him. I heard they are moving more towards the sxs stuff.

[alex-ds]

And what about Hetrick?

[Kawie450r]

I seen rich hetrick posted on facebook that alot of new and exciting changes are coming for 2013. So i wonder what joel is going to be riding.

[FHKracingZ]

The team that Natalie and Hetrick rode for is owned by Motoworks. Can-am is a sponsor of the team just like many other companies. What Leach desides to do and who he has as riders is up to them. Can-am is not backing out just changing somethings. From what I have heard, hetrick and natalie will both be on hondas.

[alex-ds]

yeah, i know John Leach is the owner of DWT-Motoworks, and Can-Am is only the quad they choose to rode.

But much people associated brp-can-am-ds450 with DWT-Motoworks.

But there will be official can-am riders next year on the AMA ATV? Or can-am says goodbye like Suzuki did, or Honda and Kawasaki?

Creamer with BCS, Warnia come back to USA, Fredericks, Zimmerman?

[FHKracingZ]

You will find out soon when the press releases are done. Can-am has riders signed for next year for sure because I am riding for them, so I know their support is still going. As far as big factory contracts I cant be as sure, but time will tell!

They are adding districts and series to contingency for 2013 so that shows no sign of slowing down.

I see a dramatic drop in AMA Pro ATV just like when the wpsa was around due to the robby gordan series that is being finalized now. Its bringing in huge names, sponsors and TV time. This may be the step forward our sport needs! Only time will tell!

[skyeryder]

Looks like SxS and UTE's are where the money is at anymore.... What's this Robby Gordon thing east coast or west coast???

[FHKracingZ]

Some of the biggest venues in the country with day-after coverage. Information can be found out on their website.

http://stadiumsupertrucks.com/sst/schedules/

[johnnyquad17]

No quads..what a shame

[FHKracingZ]

From what I hear everything is being finalized for the quads and will be released soon.

[johnnyquad17]

Great to hear! That may finally take us to the next level. I used to love the old Mickey Thompson series. I know I'm old. Will have to go to Vegas during the race.

[SRH]

i cant believe what a downward spiral the sport has been in the last few years

[Hetrick Racing]

Thinking like that is what makes it worse,yes our sport MX bikes,flat track, racecars ,boats heck even horse racing is down .
We have a hobby we love atv racing and or riding,same as all these others love their sport.
Its not the fault of the sport its the fault of the goverment,if people are not working or get told how stupid those in charge are,they will only spend money that they have to.We dont need to race, well I need to race but some would rather eat and pay their bills, cant say I blame them so yea theres my 2 cents

[FHKracingZ]

Originally posted by Hetrick Racing
Thinking like that is what makes it worse,yes our sport MX bikes,flat track, racecars ,boats heck even horse racing is down .
We have a hobby we love atv racing and or riding,same as all these others love their sport.
Its not the fault of the sport its the fault of the goverment,if people are not working or get told how stupid those in charge are,they will only spend money that they have to.We dont need to race, well I need to race but some would rather eat and pay their bills, cant say I blame them so yea theres my 2 cents

Totally true Rich,

To add to that, all powersports are essentially hobbies, except the few that make a living off of it. We do this because we all love it. When the economy is down, less jobs, less manufacturing, and the country as a whole suffers from it. People are going to make sure they have clothes to wear and food to eat before they worry about putting that new exhaust on their quad. With the economy slowly getting better I believe you will see the racing come back with it.

[quad2xtreme]

I ride at Hatfield McCoy and Black Mountain quite a bit and take the time to talk to other riders. When I bring up MX racing, their eyes glaze over. I'd say 95% of the people I've run into and talked to have no idea who John Natalie, Wimmer, or even old timers like Doug Gust are. I've only run into a few who have been to an ATV National. These same people have probably watched that dumbass sport where they push a puck on the ice (not hockey...the really slow moving one that uses a broom too).

/Jon

[sangheraent]

its called curling. its very popular in these areas.


The sport is slowing down no doubt. From what I have heard all offroad markets are very slow right now except the SxS market apparently there is huge growth in this area so companies are chasing the cash.

In my area theres a reasonable amount of quads and most are afraid of motocross, others aren't but are too used to riding for free.

Our local arenacross series charges $100 a race roughly. only series around that allows quads with 12 races. Thats a crap ton of money for 10-15 20 second laps.

Needless to say the champion is the guy who races for free cuz he works there.

[blacknblue#2]

Originally posted by quad2xtreme
I ride at Hatfield McCoy and Black Mountain quite a bit and take the time to talk to other riders. When I bring up MX racing, their eyes glaze over. I'd say 95% of the people I've run into and talked to have no idea who John Natalie, Wimmer, or even old timers like Doug Gust are. I've only run into a few who have been to an ATV National. These same people have probably watched that dumbass sport where they push a puck on the ice (not hockey...the really slow moving that uses a broom too).

/Jon

haha i can relate to that. I too am a Hatfield Mccoy regular. I cant count how any ppl ive ran into on other 450R's that look at mine in amazement like its a spaceship from another planet. Alot of times their like what is that thing?? I say its a 450R just like yours. "Why is it so wide and low was it like a special edition or something" hahah Not a clue what an MX quad looks like

[reconmaster]

stock motors hmmm?

[KingpinsEx]

Although there appears to be alot more can am mxer these days, they are probably realizing it was not worth the investment. If Honda, Suz, Yam, put the support they did in for that long they would own the market in my opinion. I do think the 2013 ds 450s with fox shocks are really sweet. I was wondering when someone was going to step up and do that. Be cool to take that ride from the dealer straight to the track.

[K-Dub]

They have that stupid production rule in for quads. When our the promoters going to get it in their heads that the production rule is dumb now that the factories left the 2nd time? If the production rule would have been in effect in the 90s everybody would have been on Banshee's and Blaster's. Does anyone think ATV MX would have survived the 90s with a production rule? I do not, cause with it company's Like Roll Design, Walsh race craft, Arens, Leager, LSR, and many others would not have been able to keep the sport alive. Now when the factories came back in 04 I understand why the production rule was put in place, but it crapped on all these company's that keep the sport alive . But now the factories all but Can Am have left us high and dry again. So now we need to dump the production rule and hope these aftermarket company's forgive us and pick up the slack again. Is the LTR even eligible to race as it has not been produced since 09? Or the KTM? What does that leave Honda, Can AM, Kawisaki, and Yamaha? And we wonder why we do not have a full gate of pro's at the nationals.

[FHKracingZ]

Originally posted by K-Dub
They have that stupid production rule in for quads. When our the promoters going to get it in their heads that the production rule is dumb now that the factories left the 2nd time? If the production rule would have been in effect in the 90s everybody would have been on Banshee's and Blaster's. Does anyone think ATV MX would have survived the 90s with a production rule? I do not, cause with it company's Like Roll Design, Walsh race craft, Arens, Leager, LSR, and many others would not have been able to keep the sport alive. Now when the factories came back in 04 I understand why the production rule was put in place, but it crapped on all these company's that keep the sport alive . But now the factories all but Can Am have left us high and dry again. So now we need to dump the production rule and hope these aftermarket company's forgive us and pick up the slack again. Is the LTR even eligible to race as it has not been produced since 09? Or the KTM? What does that leave Honda, Can AM, Kawisaki, and Yamaha? And we wonder why we do not have a full gate of pro's at the nationals.
4 out of the top 5 had factory support last year. Not to mention the numerous amateurs getting can-am contingency money all over the country. The support will come back with in the next couple years. Once the other factories stabilize their budgets and the setbacks from the 2008 recession and see other factories helping they will be right back in. Just my .02

[Mickey C Dunlap]

I don't think you are going to see the factories come back any time soon in any kind of ATV racing.The aftermarket companies are just now starting to see profits again,but nothing like it was in 05' when I was running a GNCC team.And in reality the money I got paid to run the team was for the press I got doing Four Stroke Tech projects in the magazines. In 06' I pulled out of GNCC racing,but my sponsors still paid me the same just to do projects because that's what sells products. It makes there phones ring,and they know where it's coming from. Racing is less then 5% of the ATV market,it's not the best place to spend a bunch of money if you want a good return. I like the saying the Nascar guys say about race teams,"if you want to make a small fortune running a race team,start out with a big fortune!".:D Too true.

The UTV market has saved a lot of aftermarket companies and they are more willing to spend money there then ATV racing.

I have been invited to give a interveiw next week on Quad Radio,not sure how many people know about this radio show but we will see where it goes.They did say Can-Am was pulling some of their support in the GNCC's.

JMO

;)

[KingpinsEx]

Quad radio is awsome. Your right though, I think the factories have watched the market long enough to realize that the people racing are going to do it whether the factories are supporting it or not, aside from pros. The issue is its not going to grow either. I did see a major influx of riders when everyone was currently producing mx machines, sad to see suzuki and KTM back out. Also if Honda would produce something mx ready I think the sport would grow. How do they expect to see if there is not a legitimate product. I can't think of anyone wanting to get into the sport who can justify buying a new quad and then having to dump 6k into it to be competitive.

[Mickey C Dunlap]

Originally posted by KingpinsEx
Quad radio is awsome. Your right though, I think the factories have watched the market long enough to realize that the people racing are going to do it whether the factories are supporting it or not, aside from pros. The issue is its not going to grow either. I did see a major influx of riders when everyone was currently producing mx machines, sad to see suzuki and KTM back out. Also if Honda would produce something mx ready I think the sport would grow. How do they expect to see if there is not a legitimate product. I can't think of anyone wanting to get into the sport who can justify buying a new quad and then having to dump 6k into it to be competitive.

Well Honda is spending all it's money on cars right now. They have a full blow race quad,but it's like my old prototype 200cc two stroke 3 wheeler I race in 1984 for them,it will never make it to production.

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by skyeryder
Looks like SxS and UTE's are where the money is at anymore.... What's this Robby Gordon thing east coast or west coast??? I made mention of this earlier and everyone thought I was off my rocker :p

SxS IS where money is being invested at least on the West Coast .
There expecting record numbers for 2013 .

Press will release soon enough Im sure .

[QuadJunkies]

Whatever we do though , is everyones just got to do there best to keep the sport going . Times are tough and its tough on Manufactures and race teams as well. Its tough if it quits growing .

Maybe our NEW president will fix everything ! LOL :o

[TWISTED]

Originally posted by K-Dub
They have that stupid production rule in for quads. When our the promoters going to get it in their heads that the production rule is dumb now that the factories left the 2nd time? If the production rule would have been in effect in the 90s everybody would have been on Banshee's and Blaster's. Does anyone think ATV MX would have survived the 90s with a production rule? I do not, cause with it company's Like Roll Design, Walsh race craft, Arens, Leager, LSR, and many others would not have been able to keep the sport alive. Now when the factories came back in 04 I understand why the production rule was put in place, but it crapped on all these company's that keep the sport alive . But now the factories all but Can Am have left us high and dry again. So now we need to dump the production rule and hope these aftermarket company's forgive us and pick up the slack again. Is the LTR even eligible to race as it has not been produced since 09? Or the KTM? What does that leave Honda, Can AM, Kawisaki, and Yamaha? And we wonder why we do not have a full gate of pro's at the nationals.

My thoughts exactly..... Since the factories, except for Can Am, dumped the series, then the series needs to dump the production rule.... Let the pros run whatever they want, chasis wise.......

[LITE]

If the production rule is dropped do you know how much a pro quad would cost and if the factories come back the cost will even go higher.
The factory quads now are out of this world now with parts and labor investments.

[Ryko racing]

I dont see how having to build a $ 35000 dollar quad will help the sport .
I would bet that the production rule class would have more entries.

I know that there are a lot of people that can afford to fork out the cash so jr can win but this sport wont grow if thats the case.

The working class dad just wont look at racing an atv for his son. Thus buy something else ( 2 wheeler ?)

Lets hope its just the economy which until 11/6 seemed to be turning around.

Lets all hope>>>>>>>>>

[ktmmack]

its too bad to see one of the biggest teams left in this sport dwindle down to almost nothing. will be interesting to see Natalie and hetrick back on Hondas again.

[Ryko racing]

They will be faster on the Red Rockets. My only thing is if we will see them or will they race the indoor series. I think the top pros will have to run indoors to make any kind of dollars.

This reminds me of 2007 when we had 2 series'. I think the Pro ranks will be a little thin. Its pure economics.

[quad2xtreme]

economy is going to take a hiccup for sure as the gov't attempts to close in on a balanced budget. No matter whether it comes from spending cuts, tax increases, or a combination...the bottom line is it will result in fewer dollars in the private sector (either from less gov't spending for private sector products and services or people having fewer dollars to spend after taxes). The recreational industry is going to have another very tough year in 2013.

I'd be shocked to see more riders on the line this year throughout the series.

[Ryko racing]

Its amazing. I am in the retail auto business. We were off to a record year this year. Since 11/6/2012 business has gone from CRAZY BUSY TO ABSOLUTE STOP.

Lets just hope that its post election SYNDROM.
Obviously we racers are in the income bracket that WILL be targeted with higher taxes. I told Ryan that he will have to eat at the soup kitchens so that we can keep the RV and trailer. lol.

He said we could park it next to the Mercedes when we go for free food. lol

Have a great weekend everyone. 4 mos til race 1 .... lets race.

[quad2xtreme]

No doubt if you are in any of the ATV-related businesses, you have to be looking at the bottom line figuring out how much you can put into race sponsorship. Obviously Suzuki has nothing to sell right now so it was a no brainer for them to pullout. Can Am has really been pushing out the bucks the past few years in sponsoring series, etc. I wonder if they think it's been a worthwhile investment? You advertise to keep market share or to increase it. Of course, very hard to do either of those if nobody is spending. Then you have to ask yourself how much you willing to spend to get a bigger piece of a smaller pie?

[edwardsp&b]

You know what Ryko.....I own a diesel repair/Thermo King dealership, and ours has died since that time too. We were having record months until the first of Nov. We havent done anything since.......Got me a little worried.......

[Ryko racing]

I guess the agenda is for everyone to be so poor they will depend on the govt.

They used to call it Socialism NOW they call it CHANGE........

i CANT BELIEVE AMERICANS ARE SO STUPID.

[fastredrider44]

Yall are hitting home. Work has definately taken a drop since the 6th. I myself haven't competed but three races since May. Normally I run about 20-30 races a year so I'm just another guy pulling out waiting for better times to dive back in.

[quad2xtreme]

yep, and quite frankly we do have to thank the Republican House for putting us into a holding pattern for 2 years. Republican House Speaker John Boehner had a bipartisan deal he supported but the real powers at hand said no way...let's wait it out until we get a Republican President in office. Quite frankly, everyone should be mad at the House for not being able to hash out a deal. These folks are supposed to work together to do what is best for us. So now, we will just get the same deal that was put on the table before...so we are really two years from where we should be.

The good news is top CEOs are putting pressure on both parties to work something out before they collapse the whole economy again. Personally, I don't see how the private economy is going to absorb the loss of $600 billion of gov't spending (which still leaves a deficit of at least $400 billion). The good news is everyone agrees we need to downsize gov't oversight and services so hold on to your pants, it's coming!

By the way, there is no choice but to raise taxes. Lower class can't pay it. There is no longer enough middle class to absorb what was already lost from previous tax cuts, so that leaves the upper class going back to previous levels. Read the latest and even Moderate Republicans are now saying the problem is that Republican party hasn't been creating middle class jobs and Republican party didn't show a detailed plan on how to do this...all we (Republican Party) knew how to do was create low income jobs that won't solve the problem because it doesn't increase tax base.

[89trx250r]

Seems like canam is on to bigger and better things...http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/mclaren-12c-can-am-for-production-2012-11-17

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by 89trx250r
Seems like canam is on to bigger and better things...http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/mclaren-12c-can-am-for-production-2012-11-17

Whoa :eek:

[extremeblastr]

Originally posted by 89trx250r
Seems like canam is on to bigger and better things...http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/mclaren-12c-can-am-for-production-2012-11-17

can-am in this sense refering to the canadian american challenge cup, i'm sure its in the article if you read.

[blaster12s]

Originally posted by 89trx250r
Seems like canam is on to bigger and better things...http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/mclaren-12c-can-am-for-production-2012-11-17

This is not can am the brand its can am the old racing series. two different entities.

[89trx250r]

Yeah I had read that part but I thought can-am was sponsoring it due to the colors and the way the name is written on the car. My mistake