Saturday Night's Drag Results With Videos/Slips

[cheater13]

Drag raced the 400ex again and did the best I've done! Running 13/39 gearing on a 300ft drag but the finishing laser ends at the 275 mark. I started in 2nd and mostly stayed in 2nd-3rd the whole way down the strip. Here's some videos and I'll post all my time slips. My 2 practice runs wasn't recorded but i beat another 400ex and a 350 raptor.

Tell me what you think and how i could do better, but keep in mind this is my trail bike too so i'm not doing nothing too insane. I'm thinking of getting a velocity intake, blue labels for my 4 snows, and maybe dropping to a 12t front sprocket though so maybe that will drop my time by .1 - .2 :macho


*I don't know how to post the videos directly on here so you have to click them and it'll take you to my photobucket to watch them.*

Me vs Banshee (I got stuck in 3rd gear at the end and it wouldn't shift up for some reason)
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/th_M4H01387.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/?action=view&current=M4H01387.mp4)

Me vs kfx400
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/th_M4H01389.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/?action=view&current=M4H01389.mp4)

Me vs 450r
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/th_M4H01391.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/?action=view&current=M4H01391.mp4)

Me vs ltr450
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/th_M4H01395.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/?action=view&current=M4H01395.mp4)

Me vs Warrior :p
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/th_M4H01397.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/?action=view&current=M4H01397.mp4)

Me vs drag Blaster
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/th_M4H01401.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/?action=view&current=M4H01401.mp4)

Me vs built 400ex (He wouldn't say what was done to it)
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/th_M4H01403.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/?action=view&current=M4H01403.mp4)



Time slips (not in order)

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/EE104C69-D72B-4336-B7CD-4835A9D444B7-4765-000001C9BCDFF7FA.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/39168E4E-1DF7-45DE-B8A2-A392200A1187-4765-000001C9B596B615.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/E231018D-F093-42FF-AEDE-9E0FDE2316DE-4765-000001C9AE66DF11.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/21101066-CB25-4B27-9640-38386AF95DE9-4765-000001C9A6FB9DC8.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/77354E41-D615-4FA4-A662-E95AC7204AB0-4765-000001C99F7E4BA3.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/366C65FB-40E7-4BF5-9D1C-B1550F5CEF4A-4765-000001C9988189F7.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/3E800D53-AA66-455A-9F0E-126D2BC37731-4765-000001C9911B5ABD.jpg


Good way to end race night
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp47/cheater13_photos/390F20A8-D11C-49FC-9251-D19F29B7C130-4765-000001C9D2206A6D.jpg


But can someone explain to me how i lost when i got a better time though? I been asking the people and they say something about the time, reaction time, and the mph but i still don't understand.

[Chukkinsod]

Made some great passes there and got out of the hole well. You can see how much your 60ft time effects your final. you were at 5.2 consistant when you were belo 2 in 60 ft. Get better at your 60 ft and lighten lighten lighten. Believe it or not, front,rear shocks (run alum struts) and take off the front brakes will save you a ton of weight> Get rid of anything bolt on that is not needed (front bumper ect) You can always put items back on after if you want. If you cant make it faster make it lighter! I added pic of mine just so you no I'm not BS'n. Only things different now is no front bumper, shrouds and cut rear plastics.

[cheater13]

Thanks man! And I would make struts but them banshees riders on this track about fly off their seats cause its so bumpy when their runnin struts. And this is my trail fourwheeler too so I don't think I'll take them brakes off.

But yeah, I'll probably take my bumper off and the nerf bars and just run stock foot pegs. I'll get some blue labels for rear too. The air scoops barely weigh anything so I might just let them on there to help keep my engine a tad cooler.

Since I only weigh 135, if I lightened it alot would I still get traction or would it spin?

[400exshop]

When you leave off the light set up on the seat as the bike leaves out of the hole side back as far as you can.

That will help you leave with out the front coming up and as you side back on the seat it will hook up.

It will take some time to get it right but dont give up you will get it... also ask some of the guys that ride the fast bike for some tips...most of them will help you out cuz your not runing in there class so they dont have to worrier about you beating them...

If you need any thing hit me up ill help you all i can... ill pm you my number so you can call or text me.

[cheater13]

Thanks man! I normally just sit in the regular position like i normally ride a fourwheeler and then as i take off i move back due to the force pulling me back. I always thought if i sat up front i wouldn't get traction so that's why i just sat normally and then slid back. Then everytime i shift, i try to pull up so my tires grab alittle more.

Them 4 snows hook great so i don't think i can grab any more traction than what i have, but i guess you never know.

But the only reason i was pulling up alittle in the beginning was probably because their was a giant hills where everyone's back tires rested on at the starting light. They didn't smooth it down for us, but they did for the drag banshees.

[400exshop]

You should never pull up or back that will not help you. but over time and talking to people you will find the right way to ride it.

good luck with your drag racing.... P.s 7 paddles will hook harder if the track is deep and not just light turn up..

[xtreme762]

Some good times you have there, and your bike looks pretty good.

[JOHNDOE83]

Those are still really good times for a 275ft track Id like to see actual 300ft time slips, I bet they would still be in the 5.9 or lower range.

[cheater13]

400exshop: Thanks man but i don't think them paddles would work cause it isn't deep at all. But i'll message you some questions if i have them. Ask John, i asked him a million and one questions but all his answers helped me :D

xtreme762: Thankya man!

John: Yeah i got a few compliments on my time with the thing. I would love to be running 5.0-5.1 by next year but that might be hard to do.

[JOHNDOE83]

Originally posted by 400exshop
You should never pull up or back that will not help you. but over time and talking to people you will find the right way to ride it.

good luck with your drag racing.... P.s 7 paddles will hook harder if the track is deep and not just light turn up..

Post us some detailed pics of the frame cut 426?

I like the other pics of it but I wanna see detail!

Also weigh that thing and post it to!

I moved recently and Im gonna be re starting the 400ex hybrid project soon, Im buying a fireball drag axle soon....really soon!

I havent weighed mine lately but im thinking its around 220lbs, when its done, I WILL drive to your spot for a race!

[FisherRacing94]

Hey man that red "built" 400ex was me lol. if you wanted to know what was done to it you shoulda asked. I was talkin to your buddy tellin him some stuff I had done to it, but didnt have much time before I raced again. I will tell you everything done to my bike, I just figured my sig was enough. #94

[FisherRacing94]

also that last time card you posted a pic of was when you were racing me. I have some helmet cam vids but they dont turn out the best in drag racing because you cant tell how far away each other are and everything.http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q579/FisherRacing94/42b834b3.jpg
[IMG][URL=http://s1164.photobucket.com/albums/q579/FisherRacing94/?action=view&current=050d8fcc.mp4][IMG]http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q579/FisherRacing94/th_050d8fcc.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/albums/q579/FisherRacing94/?action=view&current=050d8fcc.mp4)

[400exshop]

Originally posted by JOHNDOE83
Post us some detailed pics of the frame cut 426?

I like the other pics of it but I wanna see detail!

Also weigh that thing and post it to!

I moved recently and Im gonna be re starting the 400ex hybrid project soon, Im buying a fireball drag axle soon....really soon!

I havent weighed mine lately but im thinking its around 220lbs, when its done, I WILL drive to your spot for a race!

I will post some pic's of it later if i can..... we went to the track last friday night and ran 7.10 in the 1/8 mile. befor any one ask no not dirt 660 feet drag strip.

Going back this friday and we are going to go in to the 6's with the 426 and the 440.

As you can see in this pic we do not run a oil cooler or oil tank. all the metal has been cut out of the front end. All so look at the a-arms there singl a-arms made of chromaly with spindle mount wheels.

The sub frame has all the tabs cut off and we have a drag steam.
http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz179/ericcrip/DSC02705.jpg
http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz179/ericcrip/DSC02704.jpg

[cheater13]

FisherRacing94: Yeah i didn't know that was you man haha. But you had to be running better than 5.4s cause i was runnin 5.2s-low 5.3s. And yeah the guy that was talking to you said you just said a few things to him. I didn't think you'd show up to a McConnellsburg race though lol.

400exshop: I can't see the pictures right now because I'm at school but how are you running without an oil tank? You should post some videos up on yours. I would like to see it on the strip :devil:

[xtreme762]

Hey, what sprocket combination are you guys running on these machines?

[cheater13]

Originally posted by xtreme762
Hey, what sprocket combination are you guys running on these machines?
I'm running 13/39 like John told me too and it worked great. I might try 12/39 next time just to see how it does though.

[xtreme762]

Originally posted by cheater13
I'm running 13/39 like John told me too and it worked great. I might try 12/39 next time just to see how it does though.

I'll bet that thing feels like a rocket ship when you hit the throttle to go down the track. 3.00:1 is pretty low gearing.

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/2518/gearratios400ex.jpg

My bike is all stock, except for bearings, plastic, and Laeger +0 a-arms. With 14/38, it pulls HARD, HARD! Can't imagine 12/39, or ever 13/39 for that matter. I think I might play with the ratio after putting a Weisco 11:1, and 450r carb on it.

I'm used to a Yamaha Big Bear 350, and we all know how slow those things are. Just recently, within 2 months, I picked this 400EX up and tore it down to the frame to make the bike somewhat new. Haven't had time to mess with mods and upgrades yet. But when I do, I think I might look in to drag racing with it. We have a local drag track, but don't know if they drag quads or not.

[FisherRacing94]

Yea haha it was on my schedule so I figured I would just go see what it was all about. No I was only running 5.4 with a couple 5.3's but I was gettin 0.6 - 0.7 on my reaction times hittin the light just right, cuz track times you and other people were beating me but I was gettin off the light faster. When I hit the last lazer I was pinned in 5th I like to gear my bike to be completely topped out at the finish.

[FisherRacing94]

On that 275 track I was running stock 15/38, but I had 18" tires, I normally run a 14/38 on my 20" tires. For the 300 track I run im goinga run 16/38 with my 18" tires. My bike is geared to get up and go off the light. If we would have been on a 300 I woulda got beat by almost everybody but I set up my gearin for the shorter track before I got there.

[FisherRacing94]

That dual exhaust, is that for a raptor 700? How much did they cost and how much modifing did you have to do to them. They look sick

[cheater13]

xtreme762: Haha yeah it takes off quick! And yeah i picked my 400ex up 2 years ago and i didn't even think of drag racing it. But here i am, trying to do stuff to get some sick times on the strip. :D

FisherRacing94: Oh yeah that's probably how you ended up beating me then. My reaction time wasn't the greatest. I was getting 0.7 - 1.0 so i need to work on that.

And you said you was running 15/38. That gearing sucked for my cause my 22 inch 4 snows. I had to start in 1st gear so i lost some time doing that. I don't know if i want to drop another tooth in the front or not. I'm making it lighter next time though by taking all them bulkey parts off it.

And I'm pretty sure that exhaust is just drag pipes like you probably saw on some of them fourwheelers at last saturdays race. But i was pinned in 3rd and didn't hit 4th too much, just sometimes.

Does that velocity intake do you any good? That's the next thing i want to do to mine too besides getting rid of my fmf pipe and getting a hmf one.

[FisherRacing94]

Yea the only reason I was runninng that gearing is because of the small tires and that is stock gearing for my 2000. The velocity really lets the air flow I think you have to go up 5main jet points which is like 3 sizes, depending if you have jetted for the mods you already have. And since you have a 450 carb I would measure the back of it to get the diameter and see how close it is to stock and see if it will fit. I run a stock carb so it didnt matter, im currently running a 195 main because I have full exhaust, velocity, and porting so it flows pretty good. I think im goinga go up to a 205 cuz it was runnin alittle lean. Your buddy with the pretty much stock 400ex told me he had just put a slip on on that day, I wasnt thinking I didnt know if he had already rejetted or not but I had a box of jets he could have had a couple to jet if he didnt already I just wasnt thinkin.

[400exshop]

Originally posted by FisherRacing94
That dual exhaust, is that for a raptor 700? How much did they cost and how much modifing did you have to do to them. They look sick
If your asking about my bike , yes it is and just did a lil to get them to fit. I paid $250 ship for them, but on my 440 i have a hmf with no packing or tip...

[cheater13]

Originally posted by FisherRacing94
Yea the only reason I was runninng that gearing is because of the small tires and that is stock gearing for my 2000. The velocity really lets the air flow I think you have to go up 5main jet points which is like 3 sizes, depending if you have jetted for the mods you already have. And since you have a 450 carb I would measure the back of it to get the diameter and see how close it is to stock and see if it will fit. I run a stock carb so it didnt matter, im currently running a 195 main because I have full exhaust, velocity, and porting so it flows pretty good. I think im goinga go up to a 205 cuz it was runnin alittle lean. Your buddy with the pretty much stock 400ex told me he had just put a slip on on that day, I wasnt thinking I didnt know if he had already rejetted or not but I had a box of jets he could have had a couple to jet if he didnt already I just wasnt thinkin.
Ah alright. Well i would think that intake would fit on the 450r carb cause i have my stock intake tube and box hooked up to it so i guess it would be the same size. I haven't really messed with jetting because i never done stuff like that before so i might take it somewhere after i get that velocity intake.

Yeah i forget what jet he's running but i think it's too big of one just for a slip on.

[400exshop]

I will give you some info on dirt drags... get it in to high gear faster. I dont know what ya'lls mods are, but 13/36 and 14/36 works good on my bike on dirt.

If you want to see some vidoes look me up on youtub ericcrip1 we are also EJRacing.

[cheater13]

Originally posted by 400exshop
I will give you some info on dirt drags... get it in to high gear faster. I dont know what ya'lls mods are, but 13/36 and 14/36 works good on my bike on dirt.

If you want to see some vidoes look me up on youtub ericcrip1 we are also EJRacing.
I'll have to look you up on there when i get home. But John told me to run 13/39 with my 4 snows and drop the front to 12 if that isn't enough. That gearing does pretty good though. I go from 2nd - 3rd and then maybe 4th by the end of the strip.

But my mods are in my signature.

[FisherRacing94]

Yea if it fits with the stock airbox it will fit. I can tell you with your mods since they are close to mine you can jet it yourself its not difficult. If you are running it with stock jetting your bike is running lean. Stock on mine is 38pilot 148main, I run a 42pilot and a 195main currently. And my needle is moved up one position. Im not sure what jetting a 450 carb u have has but if you take the jets out I can get you close to what you should be. I habe messed with my carb alot jetting and seeing what works and doesnt. For just a slip on with a stock airbox I ran a 152 main, if he takes the lid off he should go up alittle more like 162.

[FisherRacing94]

400ex shop: yea those dual barkers look sick, are the ports the same size or what did you have to modify.

[400exshop]

Call or text me and ill tell you what you need to do. 803-444-0995 Eric

[cheater13]

Originally posted by FisherRacing94
Yea if it fits with the stock airbox it will fit. I can tell you with your mods since they are close to mine you can jet it yourself its not difficult. If you are running it with stock jetting your bike is running lean. Stock on mine is 38pilot 148main, I run a 42pilot and a 195main currently. And my needle is moved up one position. Im not sure what jetting a 450 carb u have has but if you take the jets out I can get you close to what you should be. I habe messed with my carb alot jetting and seeing what works and doesnt. For just a slip on with a stock airbox I ran a 152 main, if he takes the lid off he should go up alittle more like 162.
Alright awesome. But yeah i know mine is jetted but i heard with my 12.5:1 piston i should be running 100+ octane but i only been running 93 octane besides races which i run 112. I would change my jets and all but i don't know alot about the 450r carbs and how to get to them.

400exshop: Ok man I'll shoot you a text sometime later today.

[FisherRacing94]

yea I run 93 with additives to get 99 but with my 10.5:1 I dont really need that much but my brothers raptor 250 I built I put a 12:1 in it so he needs to run that so we just both run the same fuel. VP C9 100 octane is like $80 for 5 gal in the barrel, but You can buy sunoco race gas cheaper im sure.

[cheater13]

Yeah I can't afford that to just trail and field ride. I only get 112 when I drag race.

[FisherRacing94]

I ran 87 in mine for the longest time I started running 93 with additives in it just recently.

[xtreme762]

Since we're talking about octane ratings.

I bought some of that Lucas Octane booster the other day. I also got 2 gallons of 93 to go with it.

How would I go about mixing this stuff? The bottle says it's enough for 25 gallons. Also, after mixing, what do y'all think the octane will be?

I'm guessing about 93.5 or so..

[FisherRacing94]

Find out how many ounces are in the bottle and divide it by how many gallons it will treat. That will tell you how many ounces to mix per gallon.

[400exshop]

Originally posted by FisherRacing94
yea I run 93 with additives to get 99 but with my 10.5:1 I dont really need that much but my brothers raptor 250 I built I put a 12:1 in it so he needs to run that so we just both run the same fuel. VP C9 100 octane is like $80 for 5 gal in the barrel, but You can buy sunoco race gas cheaper im sure.

If you are paying $80 bucks for c9 you need to pay $5 more and get the Q16 and if you have the money get MRX01 but for the mods you guys run there is no need to run any thing more then U4.2 or U4.4.... we run Q16 but i have done alot of work to mine...

[FisherRacing94]

Whats the octane rating on the q16. Im still considering stroking mine and going with a 12.5:1 or 13:1 compression. Depending on what bore I pick. I figure I should run better fuel then.

[FisherRacing94]

I ran some good times I thought at the recent points race yesterday. The true 300ft was alittle slick starting out but ended up drying out and being very sticky. I normally run 5.8-5.9. I was running 5.6, 5.5 and even a 5.4 once the track got sticky, my best times so far. The only difference to my bike is I was running a straight header with a tip and a bigger main jet for the straight pipe could this have done it. I think it was really just how the track was.