450r shocks on 400

[williams255]

Do the 450r shocks lower the front end at all?

[CJM]

No they make it about 1.5 inches higher.

[williams255]

What about the yfz450 shocks?

[CJM]

The 450r shocks are better made shocks, but the yfx450 shocks will lower it a bit.

You m ust cut the top shock eye on the yfx shocks like 1/8" on each side so they fit the mount

[TheAwesomehonda]

Originally posted by CJM
The 450r shocks are better made shocks, but the yfx450 shocks will lower it a bit.

You m ust cut the top shock eye on the yfx shocks like 1/8" on each side so they fit the mount I don't mean to be the spelling cop. lol but i think you mean yfz

[2001400exrida]

Originally posted by CJM
The 450r shocks are better made shocks, but the yfx450 shocks will lower it a bit.

You m ust cut the top shock eye on the yfx shocks like 1/8" on each side so they fit the mount

there's no question that the 450r shocks in stock form do not even compare to the yfz shocks in stock form. 450r shocks are nothing fancy, they're stiff as hell from the factory and extremely cheap. sure they are an upgrade for 400ex's, but they don't hold a candle to the yfz shocks in stock form.

you have to either grind the eye, or grind the frame mount flange to get the 450r shocks on a 400ex.

[williams255]

Im leaning towards the yfz because they bring the front end down.

[CJM]

Originally posted by 2001400exrida
there's no question that the 450r shocks in stock form do not even compare to the yfz shocks in stock form. 450r shocks are nothing fancy, they're stiff as hell from the factory and extremely cheap. sure they are an upgrade for 400ex's, but they don't hold a candle to the yfz shocks in stock form.

you have to either grind the eye, or grind the frame mount flange to get the 450r shocks on a 400ex.

Whatever you say, your right as usual... :huh

[TheAwesomehonda]

Originally posted by 2001400exrida
there's no question that the 450r shocks in stock form do not even compare to the yfz shocks in stock form. 450r shocks are nothing fancy, they're stiff as hell from the factory and extremely cheap. sure they are an upgrade for 400ex's, but they don't hold a candle to the yfz shocks in stock form.

you have to either grind the eye, or grind the frame mount flange to get the 450r shocks on a 400ex. lol there is no question that your mistaken. They aren't fancy but they are very good quality. What do you mean "cheap"??? Yes they are pretty stiff when stock but most suspension companies will revalve and respring them. That means that they are good quality but just need fine tuning to be there best.

[quadmanw]

back the preload all the way off and they are a great shock.. lol

[kt1148]

you have to either grind the eye, or grind the frame mount flange to get the 450r shocks on a 400ex. [/B][/QUOTE] I didn't have to grind anything on my quad to get them to fit! :huh Just had to take a screwdriver and knock the tack-welded nut off and get a couple panhead bolts and locknuts so the top of the shock would fit in the mount. Pretty simple!

[dxcody]

HOLD UP!

Wait a minute, let me put some pimpin in it... I mean, seriously hold up,

450R shocks CHEAP??!!! HA, haah uh... NOPE!

Maybe they arent the best as far as direct bolt on, but after you get 450R fronts.. You can have Nick or Laz revalve/spring them and make them just as good as aftermarkets.

There were 3 Top XC1 riders riding on 450R front shocks last year in GNCC..

How many were on YFZ shocks?

As far as stock vs Stock.. yea the 450R's are a little stiff.. But for $200 you can buy a DIY spring kit from GTT and set them up for your body weight and riding style.

Cheap,,, NO

Best direct bolt on,, Maybe not, depends on your body weight.

You have way more options with 450R fronts rather than YFZ fronts.

[CJM]

:D

[duneslider]

My 450r shocks didn't raise my front end at all. Anyone know if they have used different spring rates or something? My shocks were off a limited edition 450r and the springs are silver. I honestly didnt feel they were as stiff as everyone made it sound either. I am probably right about 200 with all my gear and camelback on. Putting too much air in my tires made a bigger difference in stiffness than changing the shocks. I have been very pleased with the shocks, especially at high speeds. They seem to take everything I throw at them (I don't do big jumps). Really wondering what the GTT DIY spring kit will do for me?

[2001400exrida]

Originally posted by dxcody
HOLD UP!

Wait a minute, let me put some pimpin in it... I mean, seriously hold up,

450R shocks CHEAP??!!! HA, haah uh... NOPE!

Maybe they arent the best as far as direct bolt on, but after you get 450R fronts.. You can have Nick or Laz revalve/spring them and make them just as good as aftermarkets.

There were 3 Top XC1 riders riding on 450R front shocks last year in GNCC..

How many were on YFZ shocks?

As far as stock vs Stock.. yea the 450R's are a little stiff.. But for $200 you can buy a DIY spring kit from GTT and set them up for your body weight and riding style.

Cheap,,, NO

Best direct bolt on,, Maybe not, depends on your body weight.

You have way more options with 450R fronts rather than YFZ fronts.

Dude the guys that run 450r shocks in GNCC are not even close to stock 450r shocks they are long travel conversion kits that have new springs, valves, and the works. The 450r shock is a super cheap shock, the work that is required to make it a quality shock is $500-$1000 worth of work. So, like i said, the shock in stock form is crapola, there's no arguing it bud. AGain, yes it's better than the stock 400ex shocks but it is by far the worst stock 450 shock on the market, IN STOCK FORM.

The JET stealth long travel conversion on the 450r shocks is probably one of the best conversion setups for any stock 450 shocks, so yes the 450 stock shock is a good "skeleton" for having major work done, but in stock for it's crap.

the GT thunder spring conversion kit is a gimmick. THe only way to have these 450r shocks setup is to do a complete revalve and respring, and it costs big bucks, almost enough to purchase a set of elkas, lol.

I have experience with 450 shocks, i've got the triple rate conversion without revalves and they are nothing compared to my JET shocks on my XC quad. You've got to not only respring but revalve these shocks in order to make them perform.

Why do you think you have more options with 450r shocks than yfz shocks? THere are plenty of GNCC guys running rebuilt yfz shocks, they can make those shocks just as effective, you don't think the yamaha guys are putting honda rebuilds on their yfz's do ya? NO, they are rebuilding their yfz shocks to perform just as well or better than the honda rebuilds.

my friend has some yfz shocks that were rebuilt by MXP and they are a nice ride no doubt!

Any of the stock shocks can be made to perform excellent, my only point is that the honda shocks in stock form do not compare to the others in stock form.

i've got 3 pairs of 450 shocks at the moment.

here's the stock 450r shocks on my 426
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/rschaef83/2011-04-17_15-56-25_730.jpg

here they are on my 450r with triple rate revalves
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/rschaef83/2011-08-26_07-10-52_661.jpg

and here's the 07 400 with stock 450 shocks.

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/rschaef83/2011-05-30_12-34-38_942.jpg

[ish416]

HOLD UP! Wait a minute, let me put some pimpin in it... I mean, seriously hold up, 450R shocks CHEAP??!!! HA, haah uh... NOPE! Maybe they arent the best as far as direct bolt on, but after you get 450R fronts.. You can have Nick or Laz revalve/spring them and make them just as good as aftermarkets. There were 3 Top XC1 riders riding on 450R front shocks last year in GNCC.. How many were on YFZ shocks? As far as stock vs Stock.. yea the 450R's are a little stiff.. But for $200 you can buy a DIY spring kit from GTT and set them up for your body weight and riding style. Cheap,,, NO Best direct bolt on,, Maybe not, depends on your body weight. You have way more options with 450R fronts rather than YFZ fronts.

I had GT Thunder 450R rebuilds (revalved and resprung for my weight and riding conditions) and was not impressed. They were hardly any better than the stock 450R fronts. In-fact, they were no where near as good as what my stock KFX450 fronts are on my EX. They would constantly bind up in ruts and whoops and no amount of adjustment or tweaking would resolve this. I could never get the smoothness out of them that was I looking for. After sending them back in several times over the course of several months, I came to the conclusion that they just suck. Given they were still better than stock EX shocks, they were nothing close to what I expected. I have never had such a time with an adjustable suspension component. I ended up giving the shocks to a friend who put them on his 250R.

[HondaRacing83]

Originally posted by 2001400exrida
Dude the guys that run 450r shocks in GNCC are not even close to stock 450r shocks they are long travel conversion kits that have new springs, valves, and the works. The 450r shock is a super cheap shock, the work that is required to make it a quality shock is $500-$1000 worth of work. So, like i said, the shock in stock form is crapola, there's no arguing it bud. AGain, yes it's better than the stock 400ex shocks but it is by far the worst stock 450 shock on the market, IN STOCK FORM.

The JET stealth long travel conversion on the 450r shocks is probably one of the best conversion setups for any stock 450 shocks, so yes the 450 stock shock is a good "skeleton" for having major work done, but in stock for it's crap.

the GT thunder spring conversion kit is a gimmick. THe only way to have these 450r shocks setup is to do a complete revalve and respring, and it costs big bucks, almost enough to purchase a set of elkas, lol.

I have experience with 450 shocks, i've got the triple rate conversion without revalves and they are nothing compared to my JET shocks on my XC quad. You've got to not only respring but revalve these shocks in order to make them perform.

Why do you think you have more options with 450r shocks than yfz shocks? THere are plenty of GNCC guys running rebuilt yfz shocks, they can make those shocks just as effective, you don't think the yamaha guys are putting honda rebuilds on their yfz's do ya? NO, they are rebuilding their yfz shocks to perform just as well or better than the honda rebuilds.

my friend has some yfz shocks that were rebuilt by MXP and they are a nice ride no doubt!

Any of the stock shocks can be made to perform excellent, my only point is that the honda shocks in stock form do not compare to the others in stock form.

i've got 3 pairs of 450 shocks at the moment.

here's the stock 450r shocks on my 426
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/rschaef83/2011-04-17_15-56-25_730.jpg

here they are on my 450r with triple rate revalves
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/rschaef83/2011-08-26_07-10-52_661.jpg

and here's the 07 400 with stock 450 shocks.

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/rschaef83/2011-05-30_12-34-38_942.jpg I don't know if I'd trust a guy that talks about his "XC" quad when ithas revalves and a dg kromelite brumper, borderline stock goodluck
competing ;)

[b0rn c0nfused]

Don't be so mean hr83...he has handguards to!

[HondaRacing83]

Hahahahaha oh yeah!

[chronicsmoke]

Originally posted by HondaRacing83
I don't know if I'd trust a guy that talks about his "XC" quad when ithas revalves and a dg kromelite brumper, borderline stock goodluck
competing ;)

pot calling the kettle black? :blah:

[HondaRacing83]

I dont understand. lol

[chronicsmoke]

Originally posted by HondaRacing83
I dont understand. lol

You bashed him by saying his quad was almost stock.. (revalves bumper and handguards) what makes yours a superior XC quad?

Not picking fights, just pickin' :p

[HondaRacing83]

mine has more parts than his does, i just sold my bow and am cutting a deal on a +1 roll design long travel axis front end :p

[TheLane]

Originally posted by HondaRacing83
mine has more parts than his does, i just sold my bow and am cutting a deal on a +1 roll design long travel axis front end :p


You know your a pro when you quote your brake blockoff and breather hose in your sig...

[HondaRacing83]

says the guy with a polaris..
:p

[2001400exrida]

Originally posted by HondaRacing83
I don't know if I'd trust a guy that talks about his "XC" quad when ithas revalves and a dg kromelite brumper, borderline stock goodluck
competing ;)

the pic of the 450 rebuilt shocks is an old pic, i took it right after i got the shocks built.....the quad was mostly stock at that point. but....you don't have to trust me, i could care less if you do, lol.

i'm not claiming to be a GNCC pro or antyhing, I ride trails 90% of the time though and i do around 10 XC races a year. I don't always run the 450, in fact the 426 is what i like to run cuz i can realy beat on it. here is what the 450 looks like now minus the new poly skid and new heel guards and hand guards

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/rschaef83/2012-03-18_13-09-39_37-1.jpg

[HondaRacing83]

understandable.

[2001400exrida]

poop, let's see your bike then big hoss.

[jgar]

To the OP.
If you are looking for a cost effictive upgrade both are a good way to go. Generally the trx shocks will raise the front end and the Yam. shocks will lower it. Both can be built or reworked. I run the trx shocks and they are a little stiff but way better than the stock ex shocks. I went with the trx shocks because the yam. shocks need to be cut down quite a bit to fit in the upper shock mount bracket.
For a weekend trail rider either shock will preform great compared to stock ex shocks.

[dxcody]

Im not disagreeing that the YFZ shocks are a better bolt on,

im just saying that the TRX shocks are the best shocks there are from the fastory to make the best XC shocks.. HANDS DOWN.

[2001400exrida]

Originally posted by dxcody
Im not disagreeing that the YFZ shocks are a better bolt on,

im just saying that the TRX shocks are the best shocks there are from the fastory to make the best XC shocks.. HANDS DOWN.

that can be argued. this right here is just as good as the honda rebuilds

http://www.jetsuspension.com/yamaha-yfz450/

sure the honda's are more popular in the XC world, but i've got several friends with rebuilt yfz shocks, one has MXP rebuilds the other has the jet rebuilds and they are both a very nice setup easily comparable to the honda rebuilds.

now, that being said...i agree with you and it may be personal bias, but the honda ride with the jet stealth conversion is my personal favorite

i dont like how the yammers ride no matter what suspension they throw on it.

[dxcody]

Originally posted by 2001400exrida

i dont like how the yammers ride no matter what suspension they throw on it.

Deff agree with that. I hate the Yami's stance!