Grade 12 math overview for electricians licence in Ontario

[rbgnwa45]

I'm 24 and I've (more like my parents but who am I to disagree) decided to go to college to become an electrician but I need grade 12 math. I have my HS diploma. I'd like to know if there is anyone here who has taken a college (college, not university - they're massively different in Canada) electricians course, and if the Grade 12 Ontario math cirriculum covers what you needed to know. I don't want to go empty handed. I'm going to try to learn it all on my own instead of wasting time driving an hour each way to wherever. This means I'm going to have to be able to teach myself do things like explain why X+A^2 = 2C-1. I knew it in Grade 10, damnit!

Found the curriculum for Grade 12 math in Ontario.

http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/curriculum/secondary/math1112currb.pdf

I'm pretty scared about the whole thing, not knowing the maturity level of others, not knowing how I'll deal with my anxiety in large groups of people, not knowing how I'll stay motivated to learn all this stoopid stuff on my own. I don't even know where to start - I guess I'll start with the long-ways multiplication lol. God I feel dumb. I had a hard enough time liking this crap in high school, to the point where I wouldn't do home work or class work. I got like a 62% in grade 10 math, and didn't take grade 12.

The cirriculum says "college" and "university" level math is used in grades 10-11-12.

[crownandmonster]

I can't speak for anything up north, but I am an electrician in Illinois. If you are at all literate in math you shouldn't have a problem. Most are simple equations and geometry. There are some bigger equations when you get into sizing wire and voltage drops, but they are easy to pick up on.

[rbgnwa45]

Thanks. I am literate in math, and understand complex problems. I never liked solving for X though. I've been interested in car audio for a long time so I know the in's & out's of voltage/amps/current. I bet this grade 12 math will be harder.

[Tommy Warren]

do you have your grade 12 diploma? of so you can just join your local union and start an apprenticeship. thats how I became a carpenter before I got into truck driving...

http://www.ibewcco.org/apprenticeship.html

[rbgnwa45]

Originally posted by Tommy Warren
do you have your grade 12 diploma? of so you can just join your local union and start an apprenticeship. thats how I became a carpenter before I got into truck driving...

http://www.ibewcco.org/apprenticeship.html

I graduated high school but didn't take grade 12 math, which is what's required to register for the college electricians program. The level of grade 12 math nowadays compared to 10 years ago is way more advanced. If I had taken grade 12 math in grade 12 than I would have failed miserably :o. I could barely do grade 10 math, but then again it was that x+y=a-2 crap (which isn't difficult once you're through the paces, it's just not real-world math). I think if we could stop arguments or win people over with equations than we'd all be math professors.

Bro that site is exactly what I was looking for! Contacting my local place tomorrow, which is within 10km! I still need to apply for the actual program through the college though.

I do have one other venture; music producer. I've been making music digitally for 15 months, and have been drumming for an hour a day since I was 6. The program I use is Dub Turbo. The DubTurbo.com owner also has a site called DubTurboReview.org and as of 2 weeks ago I'm now the only artist being show-cased on DubTurboReview.org in their "promote your beats" section. It was weird that on the same day I got exposure my sister called me and said "Heritage Canada magazine wants me to write an article for them" :eek2:, she's an archaeologist. My mom told me today that I'm very good at making music, and she's giving me the option of going to school for it, although acquiring an electricians licence is more down to earth.

I'll bet an electrician makes twice as much, and a music producer works twice the hours.

I read a 3-5 page article in the paper today about why going to college/university is so imperitive for todays youth. It's exponentially becoming more difficult for young people to get jobs straight out of high-school, jobs are disappearing faster than they're being created.

I have too many sweet hobbies to make $10/hour.

My music exposure on dubturboreview.org (http://www.dubturboreview.org/promote-your-dubturbo-beats/) try "Reference Level". It sounds to me like it should be in a car commercial, it's fun & catchy. I'm going to send it to a car commercial producer, see if I get any bites!

[crownandmonster]

Around here a non- union apprentice will make $10-$15/hr. depending on skill level. A journeyman will make anywhere from $22-$27/hr. If you have PLC, VFD, and soft start knowledge you can make over $30 and hour. If you join the union you will have pretty regular hours, but I'm non-union and there's many times I've worked till mid-night and beyond.

[Ruby Soho]

electrician work is cake. i wouldnt sweat it

[Quad18star]

As a mature student (ie over 19 yrs old) you don't need the Grade 12 Math. You'll have to take a math test and if you flunk it they'll make you take a math course like every other student.

[Quad18star]

By the way .... if you become an industrial electrician , you can make $80/hr working monday to friday.

[Aarons 01 400EX]

Originally posted by Quad18star
By the way .... if you become an industrial electrician , you can make $80/hr working monday to friday.

I'm in the wrong field...

[wilkin250r]

Originally posted by Aarons 01 400EX
I'm in the wrong field...

What they don't tell you is the hell you have to go through to get there. You don't get to just walk into an job making $170,000 a year, you gotta pay your dues.


And to the original poster, you don't have to be a mathmatical genius to do electrical work, but the curriculum IS pretty math-intensive. You're going to be solving a lot of equations for loop currents and node voltages, lots of sets of simultaneous equations. I don't think you use it a whole lot in the real world, but you DO need to go through it and learn the theory behind all of it. You need it to learn how it all works.

Once you get a solid understanding of electricity, the actual real-world work is a lot of memory, there are a lot of codes and regulations you'll need to remember.

[rbgnwa45]

Originally posted by wilkin250r
What they don't tell you is the hell you have to go through to get there. You don't get to just walk into an job making $170,000 a year, you gotta pay your dues.


And to the original poster, you don't have to be a mathmatical genius to do electrical work, but the curriculum IS pretty math-intensive. You're going to be solving a lot of equations for loop currents and node voltages, lots of sets of simultaneous equations. I don't think you use it a whole lot in the real world, but you DO need to go through it and learn the theory behind all of it. You need it to learn how it all works.

Once you get a solid understanding of electricity, the actual real-world work is a lot of memory, there are a lot of codes and regulations you'll need to remember.

This is why I want to do it; the money. I've reviewed electricians formulas, and I agree - the hardest part will be memorizing the Canadian Standard Code. I have an excellent memory, better than anyone else's I've ever known :devil:. I was told that I needed a grade 12 math equivalent, and the Mohawk college requirement states it. I've already got a tutor on reddit.com, and I'm using khanacademy.com. I'm pretty sure all the math is like, voltage/amps = current ETC... it's extremely basic :blah:. I convinced my best friend to do this with me :scary:, get our grade 12 maths, get apprenticeships, then start our own company. Then when we're rich, become famous DJ's if we're not too old.

[crownandmonster]

Check these out



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_drop

http://www.paigewire.com/calculatorinstructions.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer

[wilkin250r]

Originally posted by rbgnwa45
I'm pretty sure all the math is like, voltage/amps = current ETC... it's extremely basic :blah:.

Yes and no. Individually, the equation is really simple. Current equals Voltage divided by resistance.

Problem is, you have seven currents going through different loops, twenty-five resistances and all the voltage drops that go along with them, you have to set them all equal and solve seven different simultaneous equations because it's all inter-related. The mathematical matrix of loop currents gets pretty big pretty quick, because you're dealing with seven different variables.

And that's just the DC analysis.

I don't want to scare you out of it, I'm just trying to prepare you. The real-world applications aren't too awful, but the education aspect to get there is pretty math-intensive.

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_10/3.html

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by rbgnwa45
This is why I want to do it; the money. I've reviewed electricians formulas, and I agree - the hardest part will be memorizing the Canadian Standard Code. I have an excellent memory, better than anyone else's I've ever known :devil:. I was told that I needed a grade 12 math equivalent, and the Mohawk college requirement states it. I've already got a tutor on reddit.com, and I'm using khanacademy.com. I'm pretty sure all the math is like, voltage/amps = current ETC... it's extremely basic :blah:. I convinced my best friend to do this with me :scary:, get our grade 12 maths, get apprenticeships, then start our own company. Then when we're rich, become famous DJ's if we're not too old.

Did you contact Mohawk to see if you could get in as a Mature Student?

Most colleges have a set "standard" to give highschool kids an idea as to what courses they "need" to succeed in the program (this helps eliminate a ton of applications to the program).

I'll almost guarantee you can get into the program or take a month long math course and get accepted into the program.... a math course that the college provides as upgrading.

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by wilkin250r
What they don't tell you is the hell you have to go through to get there. You don't get to just walk into an job making $170,000 a year, you gotta pay your dues.


Right now an Industrial Electrician can walk out of trade school with their ticket and start earning $150 000 a year up in my area working in the mines. Very easy to make $170 000 if you work some overtime shifts throughout the year.

Eric ... you need to move north of the border. Come work half the year like I do... I'm on a 5-5-4 shift schedule .... and you could easily pull in 90G's in a year. :D

[wilkin250r]

Originally posted by Quad18star
Eric ... you need to move north of the border. Come work half the year like I do... I'm on a 5-5-4 shift schedule .... and you could easily pull in 90G's in a year. :D

If I was an industrial ELECTRICIAN. Problem is, I'm an ENGINEER.

There is a little rivalry between the two that I don't subscribe to, but they are definitely different worlds. It's like a pro rider like Doug Gust, and a pro engine builder like Mark Baldwin. I'm betting Mark can definitely ride, but not quite like Gust can. And I'm also pretty sure that Gust can wrench, but not quite to the level that Mark Baldwin can. The two skills are definitely related, and one can do a little bit of the other, but they're not quite the same.

I'd relocate to the Frozen North in a heartbeat for that kind of cash, but I'm just not qualified to be an electrician. It's a different set of skills. :(

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by wilkin250r
If I was an industrial ELECTRICIAN. Problem is, I'm an ENGINEER.

There is a little rivalry between the two that I don't subscribe to, but they are definitely different worlds. It's like a pro rider like Doug Gust, and a pro engine builder like Mark Baldwin. I'm betting Mark can definitely ride, but not quite like Gust can. And I'm also pretty sure that Gust can wrench, but not quite to the level that Mark Baldwin can. The two skills are definitely related, and one can do a little bit of the other, but they're not quite the same.

I'd relocate to the Frozen North in a heartbeat for that kind of cash, but I'm just not qualified to be an electrician. It's a different set of skills. :(

What kind of engineering did you specialize in? We need engineers hand over fist in our mines .... no word of a lie. took Mining Engineering and received a job before I even graduated.

[wilkin250r]

Electrical Engineering.

I'm starting to wish I went into Mining Engineering, because there are a hundred electrical engineers looking for work in my area.

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by wilkin250r
Electrical Engineering.

I'm starting to wish I went into Mining Engineering, because there are a hundred electrical engineers looking for work in my area.

I have a buddy that took that in University ... he got hired on by Potash Corp in Saskatchewan 2 years ago before he graduated also. They flew him out there , gave him the grand tour of the operation and THEY asked him " What's your price? " He said $85 000 a year .... they came back to him and gave him $95 000 and paid all his legal fees to sell and buy a house, and his moving expenses ... plus they paid an apartment for 3 months while he found a house to buy. Those expenses alone were worth approx $50 000. He sold himself short, because other guys he works with at making $120 000 out of the gate.

There were 11 others that were in my graduating class .... everyone of us were hired before we graduated... all by mining companies. The need for people in Mining here in Canada is HUGE ... with an estimated 150 000 people needed within the next 5-10 years because of retirements. I'm the youngest guy in the mine that I work at .... and they employ over 300 people. :p

[wilkin250r]

If you hear a word or find a niche, hook a brotha up!! I'm so goddamm sick of the casino business, the language filter here won't let me properly express it.

[Quad18star]

I can give you a few suggestions on companies .

Quadra FNX has operating mines in Nevada and Arizona ... they're an upcomming midtier minign company who will be bought out in the next few months by KPMG.

Xstrata has operations all over the world.

Rio Tinto they need people like crazy ... I think they'd hire monkeys if they could teach them properly. lol

Lakeshore Gold ... junior gold mining company looking for people.

Barrick Gold

BHP

Potash Corp

I could probably put together a list for you a mile long of companies that I know off the top of my head that are looking for people.

Take a quick gander over at www.careermine.com which is part of infomine.com ... there are thousands of job posting ... and also a great site to read up on various aspects of mining.

[rbgnwa45]

Mohawk accepts applicants under 25 first, so 25 & over is considered a mature student. I'm 24 until Nov. 24.

Now I know why electricians can make so much - I took a look at the links, my only reaction was DA FUUUUUUQQQ :huh?! Challenge accepted *war face*!

I went to the trade union yesterday. I need grade 12 math, trade school (Mohawk for 2 years), and the apprenticeship with the union is 5 years. ECAhamilton.com is the site they told me to go to for info on apprenticeships in my area, and a contact number to apply. They took in 40 apprentices last month, and they're still waiting for the green light. They're taking another 40 in March, and every couple months from then on.

Read in the paper yesterday that Tim Hudak (Niagaras MPP) is trying to change union policies because currently they only take 1 apprentice per 3-5 journeymen, and it's holding back our youth. It makes no sense at first glance to not have one-on-one apprenticeships.

Khanacademy.org has 3026 videos - mostly math - I have a hell of a lot of video watching to do :eek2:.

Algebra gives me the heebyjeebies.

I can just see myself in like 5 years from now, working for a mining company, driving a sick car with a $20,000 stereo, living in a dream home.

I'll be doing a step-by-step guide for high-school students to become electricians, including very specific steps to follow because right now I'm kind of lost with the vast information I don't know. Might as well start at practicing dividing the long way :grr:.

[crownandmonster]

This is off topic and slightly odd, but I'm an electrician and my birthday is also NOV. 24. Your name wouldn't happen to be Bryan would it? lol

[rbgnwa45]

Originally posted by crownandmonster
This is off topic and slightly odd, but I'm an electrician and my birthday is also NOV. 24. Your name wouldn't happen to be Bryan would it? lol

This is exactly what I wanted to hear. I'm a numerologist/psychic/medium, but I can't read for myself, no psychic can. My name is Layke, so we both have Y's 3 letters in. Slightly weird huh. Makes me feel like this is what I'm supposed to be doing. I got a psychic reading 2 years ago, many confirmations were give so I had no doubt she was worth her salt, and the lady said "your grandpa is here (in spirit), is your guardian, and says you'll be taking a skilled trade course soon. You won't meet your wife (also Sagittarius) until 26, 2 kids by 28, and for now a booty call is on the table." a month before, I registered to take the electricians course
but didn't go through with it. A month before, I registered on like 8 dating sites. My grandpa was an electrical engineer repair guy of some sort.

[rbgnwa45]

So I've got adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing fractions down.