Free Present from Rico Inside...

If you've never done it then it's time to do it... No i'm not talkin about makin the beast with 2 backs either...:eek:

If you've not taken your pivot bolt out of your swingarm then you need to do it NOW.

GNCC#829 brought it up so I' figured I'd start a post and make it a sticky for a short period of time so that people do understand the significance of doing this.. Don't wait till it has to be cut out or beat out causing even more damage. If your quad is older than 6 months..I suggest you pull the pivot bolt out and grease it up real good with whatever ya want..just don't leave it in there any longer or you WILL BE SORRY as some of us have been.. I spent 4 hours on mine and ended up using a plasma cutter to get it out.:eek:

Don't push this off or just say..ahhh piss on it...I'll do it later. That's the attitude I had..and that attitude is for chit. Plan out 2 hours in the near future for you and your quad and do this now while the gettins good..

Now wasn't that a nice present.....:D Your welcome...:D

If you ride in water and mud then this is a must,,but odds are its too late if you haven't done it yet.

[Doibugu2]

All right, I'll do it before I start riding.

Do I have to take off the rear shock?

Originally posted by Doibugu2


Do I have to take off the rear shock?

Probably not..get the rearend up off the ground were the tires are barely off the ground at least.. But it wouldn't hurt to at least loosen up the top shock bolt and take it out..

[ChadEXer]

Man I guess I must have got real lucky! I have heard about a lot of guys having problems with their pivot boltts,,, My EX was over 2 years old when I took it apart and I didnt have any trouble at all, it slid right out!!!

[Mxbubs]

The fact that most of them get bent from hard landings also make the hard to get out.:eek:

[Pappy]

Originally posted by ChadEXer
My EX was over 2 years old when I took it apart and I didnt have any trouble at all, it slid right out!!!

yeah but wasnt yers in the garage waitin for yer motor for 18 months:p im j/p...i didnt have trouble with mine either....but NO MUD riding:D

[Live2Ride300]

Im not sure if this is as big a problem with 300s as it is with 400s, but just to be on the safe side I did mine last month.

[Castor-426ex]

thats ok I been riding without the nut on my swingarm bolt for about 5 months:eek:

[Quadfather]

2 hours!!!!!! What do you do, turn bolt one revolution, drink a beer. Turn bolt another revolution, drink a beer..............


I did it to my buddies quad, and if it takes you more than fifteen minutes to extract the bolt, grease it, and put it back, you've got a problem. His quad was one year old, and we had no problem. Same with mine.

Originally posted by Quadfather
2 hours!!!!!! What do you do, turn bolt one revolution, drink a beer. Turn bolt another revolution, drink a beer..............



You mean you guys don't do it this way????:confused:

[Rip_Tear]

Good idea Rico! :D I am definately doing mine when it stays warm out.. Maybe this weekend if its warm enough tomorrow I will start! I am going to put anti Seize on it, do you know what this stuff is? Its sliver, I think it should keep it from seizing up. I might do that zerk thing too...

[toby400ex]

I took mine out monday, it screwed up the threads and i got a new one on the way, i hope it gets here tomorrow.

[zfire_28]

I had to soak mine with Kroil Oil for 3 days on my '99 before I could even get it to budge. I really clobered the bolt, and have to replace the needle bearings too. I learned my lessn.

[muff]

i just did mine about 3 days ago, i have this can of stuff called Liquid Wrench, worked pretty good, after that the bolt slowly turned out, I'm definetly gonna do it often

[Sportrax10]

Will this thread in the FAQ section explain how this is done? http://exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15884
If not guide me somwhere that has a step by step explaination because I would like to do it but dont want to screw anything up.:D

[Sparks425Ex]

My 400 was 2 years old and I took it out this winter... It came out jsut fine. But from now on I am gonna start taking it out every so often just to greese it....

what would be better grease or anti seize? yea i grease mine every month just to be safe and its real easy too. And if u want ill grease mine today and take pics along the way and maybe we can put in in the faq section or ex tech or wherever. let me know:cool:

[BrianWrightR6]

Well I am sure it is too late for mine so I am gonna ride her till she breaks and If HONDA would hurry up and come out with something then the ol' 400 will be gone.

[toby400ex]

ya got to love it when that big greased up bolt just slides in:eek2: :eek2:

[honda400exrider]

ummmm mines been over 2 years now and i ride in mud occasionally:eek2 :eek2 but i will do it as soon as its warm i guess... does it restore any performance at least?:huh

BrianWrightR6 it may not be to late so i would definately give it a try and honda400exrider dont wait till it gets warm cuz by then it might be stuck. DO NOT PUT IT OFF. and no i dont think it restores any performance

[cheetah]

Well here is my ordeal. Mine is about 8 months old and I'm not greatly mechanically inclined right now. My dad on the other hand, is. I have mentioned this numerous times to my father to help me with this. But he says I have not had it long enough and besides he says they are all sealed. I figured if it gets bad, I'll take it to the dealership and charge it to my dad. I wish he would wake up and help me though.

[tants]

good advice!

[Rip_Tear]

I wouldn't wait to long if possible, because you would rather have it fixed now then when you could be riding! I will try and get mine out this week for sure! This weekend I put the a-arms and bumper back on. Its way to cold out to do to much here, and I had other work to do :D

Just do it! I know I would rather know now then find out later! You don't want to have to pay to get it out!

[Live2Ride300]

Originally posted by cheetah
Well here is my ordeal. Mine is about 8 months old and I'm not greatly mechanically inclined right now. My dad on the other hand, is. I have mentioned this numerous times to my father to help me with this. But he says I have not had it long enough and besides he says they are all sealed. I figured if it gets bad, I'll take it to the dealership and charge it to my dad. I wish he would wake up and help me though.

Pick up a service manual, it will show you how to do everything.

i greased mine yesterday and i figured id take some pics and do a little write up so ill send it to ben and have him post it:D

[ChadEXer]

Originally posted by Pappy
yeah but wasnt yers in the garage waitin for yer motor for 18 months:p im j/p...i didnt have trouble with mine either....but NO MUD riding:D
Actually i bought the bike used and the guy that had it before me didnt have any problem taking it in the mud!! It was in bad shape when I got it! I took the bolt out the same time I took the motor out to send off and at the time it was over 2 years old!

[Doibugu2]

Yea, but you do live where it has extreme cold and extreme heat. Lots of guys ride in the snow and in the mud, so I bet thats why you may have been lucky.

[Razorback]

I just recently had to have my pivot bolt cut out. I had tried everything I could to get it banged/forced/twisted out, but nothing worked. Never even budged, actually. I had a shop cut it out and that thing was actually bent and broken inside. It had trashed the bearings AND the swingarm was toast.

When I first got the 400, I just did woods riding, and a whole lot of mud riding. I never even knew that I needed to maintain that bolt and the swingarm in general. Well, I paid for it, but now I check it every few weeks.

Listen to Rico-san - he know what he say :chinese:

[Doibugu2]

Well I did mine today. Not to bad, in and out in 20 minutes. Did have to beat it out, but nothing to bad. Greased it up real good with marine grease.

The only bad thing, is when I pulled out the bolt, I scraped my hands acrros my new pro pegs. Several nice cuts. Those things are pretty sharpe.:o

[zoom400ex]

yeah i would also like a step by step instructions on how to do this because i no mechanical experience.................or i will get my cuz sparks425ex to help me.............right cuz:D

[toby400ex]

lets see, take nut off bolt. hit threaded end of bolt with sledge. If the bolt doesnt come out, spray it all down with wd-40, then hit it some more. once mine got far enough inside my frame i used an old tie rod and hit it with a sledge until the bolt fell out.:D

[EHSRACING]

the best lube is to take your bolt out and soak it in cid er if you know what i mean :D

[monkeyboy]

is dis a birfday present???:ermm:

[Doibugu2]

It was for me, about 6 cuts on my hands when I pulled out the bolt and raked my hands across my pegs.

[2fastandfurious]

Anit-siezed bottle is all gone. Hehe! Thanks rico!

this is what i used

heres a little write up for u guys:D sorry i took so long

first remove the spring off the rear brake pedal to get to this bolt and hold it with a 17mm socket

go on the other side(clutch side) to get to this bolt and unscrew it while holding the other side

take something and lightly hit the bolt to tap it out. I like to put something like a long extension or long screw driver in the hole so the swingarm stays lined up so when u put the bolt back in it goes in easier and u dont have to line it up again.

tap out the bolt untill its pretty far out then pull it out with ur hands. If its stuck just turn it with a ratchet and it'll come out. (WATCH UR KNUCKLES. YOU WILL SCRAP THEM ON YOUR PEGS AND IT HURTS)

take the bolt out and clean off all the old grease or in some peoples cases rust:eek:

after that lube it with the antiseize (pictured above) or any good grease.

slide the bolt back in. turn it a couple of times to spread the grease around then tighten the bolt on the other side. I tighten it to about 80ft/lbs of torque.

also i dont wanna hear anyone tellin me to clean my quad:grr :blah

[muff]

Originally posted by QuadMX18
also i dont wanna hear anyone tellin me to clean my quad:grr :blah

lol thats nothin you should see mine

thanks for the writeup, how much better is the antisieze than grease

Originally posted by muff
lol thats nothin you should see mine

thanks for the writeup, how much better is the antisieze than grease

Im not exactly sure how much better anti seize is but i think its better for this bolt cuz usually when it gets stuck its cuz of it rusting together and i think antiseize stops that

[Sportrax10]

Thanks for the instructions QuadMX18.

[Rip_Tear]

Anti seize works real well! I haven't done mine yet... (I will, I havent had the time, and it only just started gettting warm out) But we (my dad and I) use anti seize on lots of stuff and haven't had any problems with them!

Is this the right antiseize?

[Rip_Tear]

Yes QuadMX18, Well I took my whole rear end off today :D Not a single problem (other then I didnt have a big enough socked in my shed (had to get one from the basement :D) It still had grease on it, and it slid out real nice :D Still glad I checked it though... Now I have to grease the carrier and the other stuff. Then all that is left is the steering column :D

[300exjuggalo]

ive had mine since december , should i do mine ?:confused:

yes

[ridered86]

thanks Rico i knew i could count on you being there for my quad:D j/k

[nojoke4stroke]

ugggghhhhh the irony of it all.i was just this second going to post a thread on this very topic but i was curious as to what my suprise was.about 3 weeks ago i tried to get this bolt out cuz i thought i had to replace my swingarm,i went after that bolt with a 25 lb sledge on one side and a 1/2 inch drive breaker bar on the other and it wouldnt budge,not one bit.i ride everyday of the year in either -30 with wind chill up to 100 plus in snow rain gritty mud and thick dust.when i jump its 80 to 100 footers with flat landings,blew out my stock front shock in 1 week after i bought it from these type of jumps.needless to say i couldnt get it out but found out i didnt need to replace my swingarm so i thought "shew" saved myself the headache of wrestling with that bolt.WRONG!!! from reading this thread i now know im screwed if it comes out as easy as you guys have said.any recommendations u guys?think ill have to cut it out?wd40 and tal-5 a 25lb sledge and a huge breaker bar didnt free it up.any1 else that hasnt done it do it immediately before its too late,they come from the factory with very little lubrication on a somewhat fragile bearing resting in a high stress point.i think i read somewhere that this should have regular maintenance every 6 months for average use,if youre going big and are in extreme conditions id say 3 months minimal.any1 thats had to replace the bolt and bearings please let me know how much it was for all of it.props to you rico for posting this thread,unfortunately its too little too late for me but im sure it will save many people a huge headache and some money if they pay attention.

[zfire_28]

Originally posted by nojoke4stroke
when i jump its 80 to 100 footers with flat landings

:eek2: :huh :eek2:

[nojoke4stroke]

yea in my front yard with sideways landings. which Nausty says is impossible cuz you'll get spit over the bars.if he doesnt believe im doin it wait till he hears im doin it with the stock front blown shocks and crunched pivot bolt.:eek2: its ok ill have pics soon when the approach dries out,then we'll see.

[QuadTrix6]

Originally posted by nojoke4stroke
yea in my front yard with sideways landings.

:huh

[Rip_Tear]

Most likely thing is that you actually bent the pivot bolt (the bearing may be gone too) but you would still be able to force it to spin.

[Nausty]

Originally posted by nojoke4stroke
yea in my front yard with sideways landings. which Nausty says is impossible cuz you'll get spit over the bars.if he doesnt believe im doin it wait till he hears im doin it with the stock front blown shocks and crunched pivot bolt.:eek2: its ok ill have pics soon when the approach dries out,then we'll see.


Hey hold up. You say you didn't need to land square on quads on big jumps and I said if you land just a little to the side rear tire first it will buck you off easy on big jumps. I never said you couldn't jump 100ft but truthfully I don't beleive it. Especially if you say you don't have to land square on big jumps:huh.

[zfire_28]

Originally posted by nojoke4stroke
yea in my front yard with sideways landings.

I did that one time on ATV Offroad Fury..........:rolleyes:

[nojoke4stroke]

Originally posted by Nausty
Hey hold up. You say you didn't need to land square on quads on big jumps and I said if you land just a little to the side rear tire first it will buck you off easy on big jumps. I never said you couldn't jump 100ft but truthfully I don't beleive it. Especially if you say you don't have to land square on big jumps:huh.
hey man i know exactly what you said,i never said you said you couldnt jump that big,i said you said you couldnt jump that big and land sideways rear tire first which is what you just confirmed. now that thats cleared up,i hate to tell you but the only way i can take off pitches you sideways because the lip isnt perpendicular to the approach,right side leaves the ground slightly ahead of the left which sends the entire rear-end slowly sailing to the right,the further you travel the farther it sails.here comes landing rear tire first,i approach in 5th 3/4 to full throttle,around 40 yards from take-off i drop to half then blip it as i go up the face.with 2 blown fronts the pressure from that speed springboards the front end up,upon landing keep some weight to the left and hold fort.told you,nothing i can do for sideways and rear tire first.im only going 80 now for fear of cracking the shock mounts,snapping the axle,or bending/cracking the frame but i will have an entire new chassis real soon and then im going for 100,will be no problem if im touching 80 with this setup. then who knows,ive got up to around 130 in this spot.i'll post the sideways 80 footer soon if it ever stops frikkin raining here,then i'll update after i get the new setup.RICO,sorry what started out as an excellent post turned into this but people have to throw in their:huh and:rolleyes: when they hear something they cant understand or when they have nothing helpful to add.i'll delete this or you can if you wanna FAQ it.BTW zfire you really did that on fury 2,thats cool,what kind of quad do you have,a ravage talon?do you have any mods for it?i would recommend getting a new set of power bands for it, i hear they really make a 2 stroke rip.........:rolleyes:.........thanks for answering me riptear,youre right its probly bent but id bet rust is the real problem since it wont even turn.

[Nausty]

man, when the rear end starts kicking out you just gotta tilt the quad sideways and pull it back again and it straitens back up most of the way and other that that it might take a little bit of correcting to get it perfect. I'm tired of arguing. What do you say we just forget about it and we'll stop arguing? Truce?

[zfire_28]

Originally posted by nojoke4stroke
BTW zfire you really did that on fury 2,thats cool,what kind of quad do you have,a ravage talon?do you have any mods for it?i would recommend getting a new set of power bands for it, i hear they really make a 2 stroke rip.........:rolleyes:.........

New set of power bands........good idea.........lol

truce...............lets all erase these dumb posts.......:D

[QuadTrix6]

great how to QUADmx18 THIS WOULD BE GREAT IN THE FAQ :)