20 minute job into a 2 hour job.

[TheLane]

.........who the hell puts copper washers around spark plugs?!

(keep in mind the KTM motor doesnt have an easily acessable crank to set TDC)

Had the spark plug off to see the piston to set TDC to adjust the valves and as I was pulling it out, a little copper washer fell inside the hole for the spark plug...

now i gotta pull the damn head to get to it.

[Scro]

You live, and you learn.

[01boneless]

thats how it goes lol

[HondaPohl]

Aw man that sucks balls. Been there.

[Tommy Warren]

I could go on and on about polaris but your probably already upset so I'll leave you alone :devil:

[Ntensweapon]

How is this possible?

[JAKELTR450]

The copper washer would be bigger than the hole it fell into? if it was a washer for the spark plug. how is that possible?

[suck my pipe]

When I installed my Hot Cam, i dropped a bolt and as unlucky as I am it managed to fall right down in the spark plug hole. Same story pull the head wait for the new head gasket to come in. what a pain.

[YFZ-FoFiddy-TC]

Originally posted by Ntensweapon
How is this possible?

this

[Ntensweapon]

Originally posted by YFZ-FoFiddy-TC
this


What?

[Thumpin440ex]

That does suck. A piece fell in rite? They use the rings as a crush seal..haven't seen them alot but they do use them.. Was this a oem plug?


John

[slightlybent47]

Same here…..How dose this happen?
I always blow or wash out the plug area before I take the plug out so dirt doesn’t fall in. But how can the washer go in unless it was damaged.

[YFZ-FoFiddy-TC]

Originally posted by Ntensweapon
What?

I'm also curious how this could happen. If it was a washer on the spark plug, the washer would be bigger then the hole, therefor couldn't fall in... Are you sure it was a sparkplug washer?

[Kickstarts-suck]

Originally posted by YFZ-FoFiddy-TC
this

That

[Tommy Warren]

Originally posted by Kickstarts-suck
That

The other

[HondaRacing83]

these^^^

[Tommy Warren]

those?

[01boneless]

^^^ bob

[Tommy Warren]

NORM!

[reconmaster]

i hear your pain my buddy was putting my head back onto the cylinder last year and lining up the timing chain (yamaha has the bright fudgin idea to put a timing chain on the same side as a fly wheel) anyways it dropped and got stuck to the flywheel lucky for us we put a fresh side cover gasket on and didn't run the motor sbut man we were both cussin up a storm...

[JForestZ34]

I don't see how this could have happened either.. It's like the manhole covers, they don't fall in the hole while the try to take them out..

Unless it was really damaged and maybe split in 2 maybe have fell in, but the whole thing falling in is impossible



James

[Tommy Warren]

Originally posted by JForestZ34
I don't see how this could have happened either.. It's like the manhole covers, they don't fall in the hole while the try to take them out..

Unless it was really damaged and maybe split in 2 maybe have fell in, but the whole thing falling in is impossible



James
its a polaris thing... you wouldn't understand:macho

[TheLane]

Originally posted by Tommy Warren
its a polaris thing... you wouldn't understand:macho


yep, still was the OEM plug, Were gonna pull it tonight, ill take pictures.

[Fred55]

Originally posted by reconmaster
i hear your pain my buddy was putting my head back onto the cylinder last year and lining up the timing chain (yamaha has the bright fudgin idea to put a timing chain on the same side as a fly wheel) anyways it dropped and got stuck to the flywheel lucky for us we put a fresh side cover gasket on and didn't run the motor sbut man we were both cussin up a storm...

Aren't all timing chains on the same side as the flywheel? Otherwise you would have to try to fit the timing chain gear and the clutch on the same side....

[witech]

Instead of ripping the engine apart you could have flipped the quad on its back and blew air into the hole .

[reconmaster]

Originally posted by Fred55
Aren't all timing chains on the same side as the flywheel? Otherwise you would have to try to fit the timing chain gear and the clutch on the same side....
i was told different but hey i have only seen a few motors apart

[wykyd450R]

Before I went through all that, Id try to take a shop vac, and one of those long funnels that tapers down to a small point. Put the end of the shop vac tube into the large end of the funnel so it still has suction and see if that small end of the funnel will grab it enough to fish it out. If the small end of the funnel still aint small enough to go into the plug hole, try to put a small piece of hose ( fuel vent hose, or something) on the end of the funnel, and keep reducing until you get something that will drop in the plug hole.

[Tommy Warren]

or a telescoping magnet and some long needle nosed plyers

[wykyd450R]

Almost positive a magnet wont stick to copper.

[chucked]

I think he's gonna pull the head off only to find nothing in there

[TheLane]

FML in order to get the cams out you have to break the cam chain on this motor......good ol KTM inginuity.

[Tommy Warren]

is there no chain tentioner can't you unbolt the sprocket from the cam? or pull the fly wheel? is there a master link on the cam chain? I don't understand

[250x_kyle]

Originally posted by wykyd450R
Almost positive a magnet wont stick to copper.

it wont and give him a break hes a Canadian :p. i have had a shim break when sliding the crank case cartridge into a cannondale but as everyone else stated that crush ring should not have fallen in unless it was damaged

[rageatvsupermom]

No in order to take the head off the chain has to be broken, and it requires a special tool.....the timing chain coes thru the head and then attaches to the cam sprocket...such a dumb way to do it.

Sorry to hear about your trouble.

[TheLane]

Originally posted by rageatvsupermom
No in order to take the head off the chain has to be broken, and it requires a special tool.....the timing chain coes thru the head and then attaches to the cam sprocket...such a dumb way to do it.

Sorry to hear about your trouble.

just a normal chain breaker should do right?! : (

[witech]

Cut the chain off and install a new link which has to be staked on.
If you own a ktm you should have several extra links in your inventory .

[Tommy Warren]

Originally posted by 250x_kyle
it wont and give him a break hes a Canadian :p. i have had a shim break when sliding the crank case cartridge into a cannondale but as everyone else stated that crush ring should not have fallen in unless it was damaged

fah-Q

[TheLane]

UPDATE! found out it was one of the copper washers from the valve covers, mother f***er....


got it all off and holy **** was my piston dirty :eek2:


while i got it apart might as well clean it all out. motor doesnt look too awful bad considering.

[Tommy Warren]

Originally posted by TheLane
UPDATE! motor doesnt look too awful bad considering its a polaris.

fixed that for ya

[TheLane]

Originally posted by Tommy Warren
fixed that for ya


lol the motor is KTM numbnuts :P

[fastredrider44]

Originally posted by TheLane
UPDATE!
got it all off and holy **** was my piston dirty :eek2:


while i got it apart might as well clean it all out. motor doesnt look too awful bad considering.

You definately could have got it out without tearing your motor apart. I'm guessing you haven't seen too many motors apart. Pistons get "dirty". :p

But yes, I hear you on the t-chain. That's just the way they are.

[TheLane]

Originally posted by fastredrider44
You definately could have got it out without tearing your motor apart. I'm guessing you haven't seen too many motors apart. Pistons get "dirty". :p

But yes, I hear you on the t-chain. That's just the way they are.

and how EXACTLY would you have got it out mr smarty pants?! :devil:

[Tommy Warren]

you should have just left it in there it would have cleaned up the top of the piston for you;)

[TheLane]

Originally posted by Tommy Warren
you should have just left it in there it would have cleaned up the top of the piston for you;)

that only works in raptors

[Tommy Warren]

your right anything else would just blow apart:eek:

[01boneless]

lol ktm and polairs are the same motor haha

[TheLane]

So.......is it normal for a piston oil ring to be shot after about 80 hours?

[Tommy Warren]

Originally posted by TheLane
So.......is it normal for a piston oil ring to be shot after about 80 hours?

if your racing it than yeah.... I'm sure your not easy one it

[krt400ex]

Originally posted by TheLane
.........who the hell puts copper washers around spark plugs?!

(keep in mind the KTM motor doesnt have an easily acessable crank to set TDC)

Had the spark plug off to see the piston to set TDC to adjust the valves and as I was pulling it out, a little copper washer fell inside the hole for the spark plug...

now i gotta pull the damn head to get to it.

I actually used to do that when I had the kx125. The washer was thinner than what came on the spark plugs so it set the electrode a little bit into the cylinder. If you ever pull the head off and look, the bottom of the plug is still in the plug hole. I got a better burn and noticeably better throttle response out of it.

[slightlybent47]

Originally posted by Tommy Warren
if your racing it than yeah.... I'm sure your not easy one it

Depending on the motor I say BS.