Just curious

[4WheelinDemon]

i want to know what my 2003 400ex would go for. All information needed about the quad is in my sig.
other info as follows...

needs rear caliper
needs air box
needs battery
new tensioner in about a couple months
front tires in about 6 months

other info....
new spark plug
new oil change
new timing chain guides
new timing chain sproket/gear
new drive chain
new rear linkage
2005 400ex clutch assembly(practically new)
new taillight
new battery cables
new solonoid
confederate flag seat
black painted front grab bar stock
just powerwashed and cleaned up
comes with old clutch assembly
comes with stock carb
stock piston
comes with heel gaurds


just wanna know what it would go for. Good condition. never raced....not yet atleast >:] lol

[rooster300ex]

I would say about $800-1000. Because my dad just paid for a really nice 02 400ex that needed nothing, but the brakes bleed for $1700

[chronicsmoke]

not more than $2000 up here in Canada, and that's if you find a gullible kid to buy it for that price..

[nelzar13]

just for comparasin i bought my 01 4 hundie for 1,100. needed rear brake pads, and had a stitched front fender. relativley low hours and adult owned.

[2001400exrida]

why would you have a new timing chain guides and new chain but you still need a tensioner?

There is no way to say, uhhh, i'll need a tensioner in a bout a month haha.

when that thing goes bad it's all hell, so i have no clue what your frame of reference is with that tensioner but any educated buyer is gonna ask about that.

[chronicsmoke]

Originally posted by 2001400exrida
why would you have a new timing chain guides and new chain but you still need a tensioner?



http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=466801&perpage=10&pagenumber=2

[vinson581]

bout a totally unmolested 03 for 1000$ super super clean, plastics arent even scratched however i do see constantly on craigslist, people are asking between 1800-2500

[sheweezy]

1400-1600, simply because times are hard....around 2k you can get 450r's

[4WheelinDemon]

800-1000??? where are you getting that info from??? i would honestly say its worth a little bit more than 2000. ill be doing more work to it in time for sure. its already nice and clean.

[chronicsmoke]

Originally posted by 4WheelinDemon
800-1000??? where are you getting that info from??? i would honestly say its worth a little bit more than 2000. ill be doing more work to it in time for sure. its already nice and clean.

as soon as you put "needs" in your ad, it automatically significantly drops the price.. I personally would never pay full price for a machine that needs work, hence my "gullible kid" comment..

Fix up the issues and you'd be able to list it at ~$2000

if I were to list my 426 i would expect to get more than $2000 up here in Canada..


Off topic, but I saw you have a 'Stage 3 hot cam' in your sig.. are you using that on a stock bore motor??

[flyboy1294]

Originally posted by chronicsmoke


Off topic, but I saw you have a 'Stage 3 hot cam' in your sig.. are you using that on a stock bore motor??

+1.

With a 10.5:1 piston, your static compression with that cam is going to be crap. I'm surprised it runs.

And as it sets, I'd say $1100-1200, max.

Edit: just read a post that says you run stock jetting with a full exhaust and filter... Are you sure this thing runs at all?:confused:

[4WheelinDemon]

Hotcams originally put down for the stage 3 hotcam that its only recommended for big bore and stroker kits. I called them, explained my quad and everything thats done. They said it will work great. They said they put stage 3 recommended for stroker and big bore just because it works good with it. As long as i have the raised compression it'll be alright.
And btw, its running with a 450r carb. Not the stock. Im only uaing stock for now to break everything in. When its all broken in, im putting good old 450r back on and tuning it in.

[2001400exrida]

That is quite an aggressive cam with that stock bore.

So, you're gonna run stock jetting on the 400ex carb to break it in?

you should just get the 450r carb close and use it from the get go.

[4WheelinDemon]

You really think i should just try and get the 450r carb tuned in to do that? It would be a wild guess though on the settings

[flyboy1294]

Originally posted by 4WheelinDemon
You really think i should just try and get the 450r carb tuned in to do that? It would be a wild guess though on the settings

If you run your quad with the stock jetting that you said you had in your Ex carb, you are very likely to do serious engine damage because it will be very lean.

Your cam, high comp piston, exhaust, and air filter all increase airflow either in or out of the engine. When you add all those things in unision you need to jump up close to 25 jet sizes to compensate for more air. These engines are essentially complex air pumps, so you have to maintain a certain window for air/fuel ratio for them to run properly.

In short, you can either break it in with the Ex carb or 450 carb, but you HAVE to rejet first.

Also, that's very interesting that Hotcams said to use the stroker cam. But hey, each to his own. Later down the road you may find yourself wanting a stage 2 for more bottom end though.

[4WheelinDemon]

Can i keep the stock kehin jets in the 450r carb and use them? And another question, can i use my stock 400ex needle inside of my 450r carb? Because my 450r carb has the htc kit in it.

[honda400ex2003]

main jets work, pilots work, needle will not.

steve

[flyboy1294]

Steve is right.

To answer the question about jetting, you still want to change out the jets on the 450r carb before you run it. Odds are they will be closer to right than the 400ex carb jets, but they still won't be dialed in for your rig.

I'm sure a few of the more knowledgeable members can give you an idea on what jets to buy for your setup.

[honda400ex2003]

usually 450r jets run 2-3 sizes over what a 400ex carb would run. so if you are running a 160 in your 400 carb, go 165 in a 450 carb. you will need to start around a 50 pilot in the 450 carb also, the 42 will be way too small of it.

steve

[honda400ex2003]

also whats your final setup, ill give you a bit if a start on your jetting.

steve

[4WheelinDemon]

Do you think the htc needle will work though in the 450r carb? And ok, i will take apart the 450r carb and let everybody know what the setup currently is.

[4WheelinDemon]

Alrighty, the main is a 185, the pilot is a 62, and there is another jet on the side that says its a 72. Whats that other jets purpose? Because i thought it was only main and pilot.

[honda400ex2003]

there should only be the main jet, needle jet(the rubber faced one connected to the float bowl), and the pilot jet.

Im not sure on the hrc needle, I am running a stock one along with most poeple running regular gasoline. wheelie and a few others use it to run e85.

i was referring to your setup engine wise since you do not specify which bore you are currently running on your JE piston. Im not going to look through the whole thread to find out lol.

pilot will be super rich with a 62 pilot in there. more like a 52 would be closer for a 426 or 440. I ran the 50 in my 416 and would probably run the 50 in a stock bore also. I am running the 50 in my 440 with no problems at 3.25 turns out on the f/a screw.

if you are running anything less than a 440 the 185 will be really rich also.

rule of thumb~ 170 416cc, 175-178 426cc, 180-185 440cc. sometimes they are different but that will usually get you pretty close to where you need to be. at least within a jet or 2 each way.

steve

[tri5ron]

to the OP,...
you also need to be mindful of the fact that Dynojets and Keihn jets are sized differently.

so when you are calling out the jet sizes you currently have, it is Important to state which BRAND of jets they are.

Steve will usually be giving you numbers for the KEIHN Jets.

Just food for thought.

[honda400ex2003]

lol yes all of mine are in keihin, just convert them if needed for dj. otherwise i can get them for you too.

steve

[4WheelinDemon]

Lol you sure its going to be rich? And its all kehin jets. But here is a breakdown of the engine...
Stage 3 hotcam
10.5:1 je 85mm piston
2004 450r carb
K&n air filter
K&n oil filter
New timing chain guides and timing gear
Crf timing chain
The cdi says white brothers on it so idk if its aftermarket or not. Just found this out today lol
Cometic gaskets
Dual looney tuned full racing exhaust


Thats about it with the engine

So is the 185m good? And i should drop it down to a 50 or 55 pilot?

[honda400ex2003]

50, 165 keihin main, 3rd notch, 2.5 turns out.

thats where id start and would probably end up at a 162 or so. im not sure exactly how well your duals flow though so the 165 might be a bit closer.

steve

[4WheelinDemon]

They flow very nice and freely. And is there a kit that comes with all these jet sizes?

[honda400ex2003]

best place to check out the kits will be jets r us.com there you can add any needed that are not in the kit and add pilots.

if your local dealer has them, it is probably cheaper in the long run to get a few from them instead of buying a whole kit.

steve

[grovesbm]

some people are REAL stupid man! just depends on how big of an arse you are:rolleyes:

[honda400ex2003]

Originally posted by grovesbm
some people are REAL stupid man! just depends on how big of an arse you are:rolleyes:


seeing as though this has NOTHING to do with this thread, im going to have to say you are one of those people...


steve

[tri5ron]

Originally posted by grovesbm
some people are REAL stupid man! just depends on how big of an arse you are:rolleyes: http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n148/tri5ron/Emoticons%20and%20funny%20pics/258troll_spray.jpg

[4WheelinDemon]

How much the jets be each though? Just an estimate

[honda400ex2003]

i just paid 6 bucks or so for a genuine keihin at my local yami dealer. the generic ones are right aroun 3-4 bucks a piece at a dealer.

either will work fine.
steve

[4WheelinDemon]

???? Expensive much? Haha well what, so i should buy what jets first? The 50p and 165m? Or 55p and 165m? And at 2.5 turns right?

[honda400ex2003]

id buy

50 and 52 pilot

160, 162, 165, 168, 170

those would be the 5 mains and 2 pilots i would buy.

that should get you pretty close. I would start at a 168, 50 pilot, 2.5 turns out, 3rd notch and see how it runs.

i would suspect that you will end up with either that or a 165 depending on if you are high elev or low.

the next thing to do is check out jets r us and see what all comes in the kit. that would have most of them and have new bolts for the bowl. also check out the 450r one and see how big the main jets are in there.

I know the kits do not come with pilot jets in them (or at least the last time i checked) so you would have to get them also.

pilots are right around 10-12 bucks i believe.

none of them are cheap thats for sure. you should see the box of jets i have lol. i have a full dj set plus just about every jet between 150-182 in there for keihin jets. i have hundreds worth of jets, thank god i got a few when i bought my 250r. the kid i got it from gave me a few for that too that i did not have. he got rid of all of his since he switched to fi on his 250r. haha

steve

[4WheelinDemon]

Lol holy ****. But im actually at a relativily low elevation. So ill buy a 165m and 52p. How will i know if i have to go up a jet or down a jet though? Thats what im stuck on lol

[4WheelinDemon]

Btw steve, thanks for helpin me out on all this. This project/build-back-up bike would have been alot harder without a couple pointers from ya haha

[honda400ex2003]

low you can go fatter than up high. this means that a bigger main jet would be in order.

i still have a gut feeling that it will be a 165 but something tells me it might end up at a 168. i dont want to recommend a 165 and have it too lean with your exhaust. I havent really heard anyone running duals with just a filter to base any recommendations on anything similar to my setups.

the problem is, i ran a 170 in my 416 carb, and a 168 in my 450r carb. i ran pretty rich and still felt it ran nicely.

steve

[honda400ex2003]

Originally posted by 4WheelinDemon
Btw steve, thanks for helpin me out on all this. This project/build-back-up bike would have been alot harder without a couple pointers from ya haha

not a problem, always glad to help. projects are great to work on. I wish i had more money for projects. I usually just get the maintenance done on them, then after that i am out of coin for the summer. :( when i have to maintain everything it gets pretty expensive.

[4WheelinDemon]

Ok then haha. Ill buy a 165,168, and 170 main and a 50,52, and 55 pilot. That should be enough to experiment with. Ill also buy the stock 450r needle since mine is the htc needle. But who knows, maybe the htc needle will work. Are the htc needles a bit thicker or thiner than the 450r one at the tip/point?

[honda400ex2003]

i think that the hrc needle is thinner but i am by no means sure on that. i think it is a leaner needle compared to stock if i remember correctly.

you wont need a 55 pilot thats for sure. you should be plenty fine with a 50 pilot in there even if you have to go out to 3.5 turns out on the f/a screw. lol

steve

[4WheelinDemon]

Lol ok. Well look, heres my thought...if the htc needle us thinner than stock 450r....i can just bump the snap ring up to the second or first notch on the needle? It will in turn have a thicker base inside the seating the point of the needle sits in. Sounds logical right? I mean, if htc is thinner, set the needle to sit lower in its place thus making it close or exact to the thickness of OEM 450r needle...
And same thing but vise versa if its thicker all you qould have to do is drop the snap ring to the fourth or fifth notch on the needle. Thus making it sit a bit higher but with a thinner base at the point of the needle. Sounds logical doesnt it? Sorry if this confuzes you, not to good at explaining haha


And alrighty, thanks for saving me a couple bucks on that pilot lol

[honda400ex2003]

seems like it might work but going to the top also leans it out usually. going to the second clip position leans it out even more which is reverse of what you are thinking.

maybe going to the 4th or 5th would work?

maybe a pm to wheelie would help out, he might know where it would be approximately the same or if it isnt close at all.

steve