Educate me with some Lobo Knowledge!

[danhung11]

Might be picking one up in the next couple of weeks... Need some frame knowledge. It's a 2001 Lobo Narrow Front with No-link rear end. Swingarm does not appear to be a gull wing from the pics, seller believes this is the XC model.

I want to know what chassis hardware I WILL need that is special for this chassis (i.e. Motor mounts, headstay, special brackets, etc.)

The bike is complete, so it should all be there. Asking for some naked Lobo pics!

Thanks in advance!
Dan

[danhung11]

I saw an article a few months back, but can't seem to locate it....

SOS!?!?

[norcalduner]

Lots of good info here ..... also pm 8686

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=462508&highlight=lobo

[K-Dub]

Here is a few of my MX Lobo. There is no head stay, so dont expect one. There is extra gussets above the carb to take place of it. Allows the cylinder to float free and not get any stress from frame flex. Only bad thing is makes it harder to get the slide out of the carb than a stock frame.

http://jb.zippytech.com/~kevin/Roll%20Lobo/nroll1.JPG

http://jb.zippytech.com/~kevin/Roll%20Lobo/nroll2.png

http://jb.zippytech.com/~kevin/Roll%20Lobo/nroll3.JPG

http://jb.zippytech.com/~kevin/Roll%20Lobo/nroll4.JPG

[t-jacker]

Daniel I am in the process of building my 2000 lobo xc chassis, sometime tomorrow I will post up some pics of the frame. I have lots of pics and can take more of whatever.have learned a descent amount during this build hopefully can help a little. Might be quicker to email them to ya instead,think I still have your email from when I bought those adapters.

[stever250r]

Here is another thread that shows some nice close ups, and naked pics of the LOBO... I am wondering what ever happeined to this build, and if its still sitting in the basement in this condition....??

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=381413&highlight=gearing

[danhung11]

First, thanks everyone for the good info, i'll have to give ole 8686 a call. If any one has any pictures of the subframe where the rubber stops meet with the front seat bracket, that would be great. With seat off and detailed pictures of the subframe.

2nd, needing pics of the bottom frame rails from top to where the swingarm bolts up. I want to be able to see if damage has been done to this frame... And what differentiates a MX vs. XC?

Lastly, will Doug do repairs to these chassis(s), if needed? The subframe on this one I'm looking at has seen better days.

Thanks guys, love this section!

BTW Steve, thats Andy's bike and I believe it's about 90% finished. It's sitting at him home on the East coast. I think he's riding in the WORCS(?) series out West. I don't think he'd ever sell it being he's building a replica to his old race bike.

[dtowndiesel]

Originally posted by danhung11
First, thanks everyone for the good info, i'll have to give ole 8686 a call. If any one has any pictures of the subframe where the rubber stops meet with the front seat bracket, that would be great. With seat off and detailed pictures of the subframe.

2nd, needing pics of the bottom frame rails from top to where the swingarm bolts up. I want to be able to see if damage has been done to this frame... And what differentiates a MX vs. XC?

Lastly, will Doug do repairs to these chassis(s), if needed? The subframe on this one I'm looking at has seen better days.

Thanks guys, love this section!

BTW Steve, thats Andy's bike and I believe it's about 90% finished. It's sitting at him home on the East coast. I think he's riding in the WORCS(?) series out West. I don't think he'd ever sell it being he's building a replica to his old race bike.

Here are some of the frame differences that I've noticed: The Roll Design XC Lobo does not have the integrated front nerf bar mounts, The XC swingarm is .25" (18.25") longer than the MX swingarm (18"), and the XC swingarm does not have a chain guide on it like the MX does. Also the XC models were much narrower than the MX, I believe 46" as compared to the MX at 50".

My frame is a XC model that I converted to MX. I started with the XC frame because I'm not a big fan of nerf bars, considering a majority of the riding I do is in the dunes. It took persistent searching and a little bit of luck to come up with my Lobo MX a-arms, and the MX gullwing swingarm but I was able to find them.

StoneConcepts had a Lobo subframe for sale on Ebay for about as long as I can remember. Recently, in the last few months it disappeared, you might want to contact him and see if he still has it. Otherwise contact Bear81 (Hardcore ATV), they move a lot of Lobo parts too.

Doug Roll was very helpful, and more than happy to look at pictures of my bike to help determine what year it is ('99). I would not hesitate one second to call him up or send him pics of this bike, you might as well go straight to the source:). I think he is still very proud of his Lobo chassis' and loves to see guys keeping them alive.

I hope you wind up buying it! You'll never regret it. I can't even begin to explain how easy they are to ride. It's something you need to experience for yourself.

Check my photobucket album that I sent you, hopefully you'll see something helpful in there otherwise let me know if you need any pics of my bike and I'll email them to you.

Good Luck Dan!

[Jonny B]

Another thing I dont see anyone mentioned is the upper rear shock mount position on the lobo xc. In 2002, correct me if im wrong on the year, Doug moved the upper rear shock mount to the mx chassis position and it requires a 2 " longer rear shock. With the swinger a tad longer on the xc, it gave the rear end a 1/4" more travel then with the mx chassis/swinger. Another difference is the heel on the stem, there is different length heels between the mx chassis and xc chassis which effects how quick the steering is. Im sure there is other minor things but these are they majors. I will email you a few pics of both the xc chassis versions I have owned later today...

[dtowndiesel]

Originally posted by Jonny B
Another thing I dont see anyone mentioned is the upper rear shock mount position on the lobo xc. In 2002, correct me if im wrong on the year, Doug moved the upper rear shock mount to the mx chassis position and it requires a 2 " longer rear shock. With the swinger a tad longer on the xc, it gave the rear end a 1/4" more travel then with the mx chassis/swinger. Another difference is the heel on the stem, there is different length heels between the mx chassis and xc chassis which effects how quick the steering is. Im sure there is other minor things but these are they majors. I will email you a few pics of both the xc chassis versions I have owned later today...


Sign me up for that same email, if you don't mind :)

Thanks Jonny B

[rayman375]

Spanish for wolf.

[danhung11]

Originally posted by rayman375
Spanish for wolf.

Gracias! Muy útil.

[danhung11]

Jonny B and t-jacker,

My email is daniel.k.hung@gmail.com.

It's basically a done deal, too good of a deal to pass up. It will be parted down the chassis. I'm keeping quite a few parts, but the bulk of the stuff will be passed on to fund another build.

Thanks guys!
Dan

[Jonny B]

I am not sure the year of my lobo...probibly 03 xc. I called Doug and have yet to talk a few with him. Here is the differences in your 2000 to the 03? I have. The most noticable is the rear upper shock mount, the xc shock is in the mx chassis position and uses a 17 3/4" rear shock. Different reinforcement in the area...

[Jonny B]

The next thing is the arms...the older lobo xc arms are gussetted beyond the lower shock mount. Mine is not and is open...

[Jonny B]

The swingarm is gull wing on the 2003 xc chassis vs. the 2000 xc...more beef at lower shock mount.

[Jonny B]

The stem now has the Roll logo vs. a round top tube...

[danhung11]

Jonny B,

I'm thinking this is the earlier model, it doesn't have the cut outs on the arms. Also, the swingarm is not the gull wing style. The way I am reading your comments, is the 2003 and later models have the gull wing, and openings in the arms. Does the front end take the same length shocks? Can you clarify on the rear shock length? Had a hard time understanding that part...

A few additional questions... what were the major differences in the frame between the years? If your frame is accessible, do you mind taking some pictures of the under frame rails from the front to rear? specifically by the pivot area on both sides? I never even noticed that these Lobo's don't have seperate grab bar. :o

I'm picking this up hopefully Tuesday, we'll see what happens with my work schedule. I just want to know what the underneath welds look like, I know there has been some welds to the subframe/seat latch area. A picture of that area would be grand, also.

Thanks again,
Dan

BTW - I am kicking myself in the arse for selling my new IMS Brake Pedal...:mad:

[Jonny B]

Dan, the pics are my 03 xc frame and every pic points out a difference from the 2000 model xc. The rear shock upper mount is the major difference. I dont have a good pic of the upper rear shock mount of the 2000 model for you to compare. I believe the upper mount was changed in 02 for the xc chassis? They use the longer 17 3/4" rear shock and the 2000 uses a 15 1/2" rear shock. (with my tape measure)

The front shocks are the same length between both these years.

The gull swinger is the same geometry as the non gull...just adds beef at lower shock mount. You could use the gull swinger on the 2000 with your 15 1/2" shock....you can also use the lobo swinger and 15 1/2"no link shock right on the 88-89 frames. Works nice.

The sub frame attachs differently in some year lobos...I think the 2000+ are all the same. The lower subframe mount is farther up the subframe on earlier years. Common is the airbox rear mount tab removed from the subframe. People remove the tab to slide the airbox farther back to gain clearence around the shock for the intake tube. With the shorter 15 1/2" no link shock, thats not needed. No bolt on grab bar so dont biff doing wheelies. lol

I think the lower frame rails are the same from 2000+. I will get pics soon. Square tubing on the lower frame rails. The 2 small rail inside with the lower engine mounts are round.

[woodsracer144]

roll only made a mx and a xc modle correct? there was never a tt modle built?

[danhung11]

Picked her up today, 12 hour roundtrip, ~525 miles later, ~40 gallons of fuel - she's in the garage now. Jonny B - thanks for all the great info and details!

The bike is in better shape than I was anticipating, got a truck load of parts with the bike. Stuff will be listed soon. Very nice platform, and also some nice parts on it. I haven't even unboxed everything that came with it, it's a ton. Owner wanted a four stroke, so he let me have all his R stuff for a nice price. Most likely, all of this will be parted and and I will be keeping some stuff to carry on it's build. It will take some time before I break her down, need to finish the Laeger first.

Chassis is NOT for sale. I would consider a nice complete Walsh CRF for trade, or SxS. It would be for the complete Lobo bike only.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd228/danhung11/100_2010.jpg

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[stever250r]

NICE DAN!!!!

[leager-n-ky]

give me a price on shifter, and brake pedal if you are selling, or do you want a hinson pedal, and pro design shifter for your build??

[danhung11]

Originally posted by steve250r
NICE DAN!!!!

Thanks Steve, really lucked out on this one. Don't see too many Lobo's for sale these days.


Originally posted by leager-n-ky
give me a price on shifter, and brake pedal if you are selling, or do you want a hinson pedal, and pro design shifter for your build??

I'd prefer a IMS Roll Pedal, kicking myself for selling a NOS one. :mad: I'll let you know what I decide to do with this thing in the next week or so, bringing this down to the dunes this upcoming weekend to see what she runs like. You definitely have dibs Denny. ;)

[norcalduner]

Great score there Dan, welcome to the Lobo family :D

BTW, can we see some naked pics ?

[danhung11]

Here are the naked pics, I can't believe someone welded the dang washer on the seat part. The other thing messed up is the tab for stock coil. I'll probably take it off anyways. I am curious how folks are mounting their CR ignitions on these frames, the tube rails are 1" there instead of the 7/8" tubing. The ESR mount will not work, unless the mount is enlarged. Any pics of this from other folks with Lobo's?

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd228/danhung11/100_2070.jpg

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This camber is weird! It's perfect on the other side, however this one a bit on the negative side. I'm thinking the spindle might be the cause, because everything on the arms and frame appear straight. The frame iteself is in good shape, except the subframe.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd228/danhung11/100_2080.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd228/danhung11/100_2078.jpg

[danhung11]

It has some nice stuff on it, however it's going to look completely different once I am done with it. It rips though, fresh top end. Seller said it was a BDT top end, so I want to see what this thing is all about. :p

[norcalduner]

I think Pumashine makes a cr coil mount for this so maybe pm him. Here is what I did on mine.

[danhung11]

Originally posted by norcalduner
I think Pumashine makes a cr coil mount for this so maybe pm him. Here is what I did on mine.

That's the tab that I am talking about, one arm is cracked and it's weak. The horizontal bar diameter is larger than the ESR mount. I'll check tomorrow on my Laeger and Arens to see if it's the same tubing.

[Jonny B]

Looks like sweet grab! I am curious about the upper rear shock location. It seems to be in a different location then the 2000 xc chassis I had. How long is the rear shock?

[troybilt]

Tony makes a CR coil mount that mounts to the frame not the tab. I have one on my Laeger. Unfortunately this is the best pic I have of it.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN1461.jpg

[danhung11]

Id like for you to tell my wife how lucky I am, she just doesn't understand why I need three of these bikes in the garage. Any suggestions? :D

I'll get a measurement on the shock, I'm not sure if the shock needs service or if it's the correct length, because the centermount exhaust has been hit a couple of times. In addition, the outlet for the reservoir bottle is not your typical routing on an aftermarket chassis.

[danhung11]

Troy, is that horizontal support 1" OD? I can't remember... I need to finish my Laeger so I can tear this one down. Batter up!

[troybilt]

I think so, PM Tony and see what he says. I can measure it when I get home, but I think its 1". Trevor didn't have this particular one listed on the site but Tony made one for me and someone else I forget who?

I don't have any good advice for you.. :D My wife just says its a sickness.. so I tend to agree.

[leager-n-ky]

Hey Dan, Since you didnt plan ahead (propose to her on the R ), try painting the front red for (pic on FB ), worked wonders for me....LOL

[danhung11]

This Lobo I picked up is for sale, $5500 as a complete roller with shocks, etc. I plan to keep powerplant and electronics.

Change in plans, that's what happens when you drive 5hours with another avid 250R fan after a dune trip. :D

[leager-n-ky]

That was suppose to say Front door red, i get excited easily, and my one finger typing doesnt help..

[danhung11]

I want to clarify on this "roller", as I've received a few PM's. This will be a complete roller with brakes, rotors, controls, shocks, etc. I am basically taking the motor, and electrical. You can have the TRX5 pipe, and silencer, etc. I have some plastic to go with, etc. I do have another motor, that can come with, but the running motor stays with me.

Don't be afraid to shoot me an offer, I want this thing to go to a good owner, but I am not afraid to part it.

Thanks,
Dan

[troybilt]

Originally posted by danhung11
Change in plans, that's what happens when you drive 5hours with another avid 250R fan after a dune trip. :D

...that's my bad!

:p

[hawaiiysr]

U two guys are nuts. My wife is lucky we don't live near the two of you. I get pretty deep in my hobbies. For me this is the 2nd time around on quads. And my wife knows I'm never giving up my 2 R's or my Zilla. Or my YSR50's.

[danhung11]

This typically happens everytime we go to the dunes. Sick of eating sand in drag racing, so I'm going to try and solve a problem. Troy's engineering background doesn't help. :p

SilverLake - if you give me asking price, I'll meet you halfway! :D

[86 Quad R]

Originally posted by danhung11
This typically happens everytime we go to the dunes. Sick of eating sand in drag racing , so I'm going to try and solve a problem. Troy's engineering background doesn't help. :p

SilverLake - if you give me asking price, I'll meet you halfway! :D

i hear ya man..... 'at shat hurts dont it? :ermm: so much so that it's got me motivated to finish my current build. :cool: