new arens build

[hartwill]

Ok, after tons of thought I have decided to keep this arens frame to start a new build. I already have most everything I need except little things. I am mostly gonna switch things over from my current R. Now what I'm looking for from you guys is a theme idea. Most everything I have currently is red, blue, and, yellow so I would kinda like to stick with those colors so I don't kill my bank account(but who knows). Any ideas? I want to take everything for pc monday.. I can give a list of everything that will be going on it if you WANT.http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/?action=view&current=81b9ddb9-orig.jpg

[DoonRider]

How about that little pink Barbie quad? But I'm not sure where you would find purple tires...:D

[rayman375]

Can't wait to see what you come up with, what kind of riding will it set up for? Oh I got those shocks today too!

[hartwill]

Originally posted by rayman375
Can't wait to see what you come up with, what kind of riding will it set up for? I'm sure them four poker would love getting beat by that..lol

[socal]

Can we see pics to help the thought process!

[hartwill]

Originally posted by rayman375
Can't wait to see what you come up with, what kind of riding will it set up for? Oh I got those shocks today too! nice. I want to set it up for xc, but I'm gonna do some MOTO cross this year too so I'm not sure what I'm gonna do yet. I hope those peps work out good for you. They have always been my favorite shocks.

[hartwill]

Originally posted by socal
Can we see pics to help the thought process! can you guys help me figure out how to post pics on here?

[rayman375]

Originally posted by hartwill
nice. I want to set it up for xc, but I'm gonna do some MOTO cross this year too so I'm not sure what I'm gonna do yet. I hope those peps work out good for you. They have always been my favorite shocks. What kind of arms and shocks are you putting on this build?

[rayman375]

Originally posted by hartwill
can you guys help me figure out how to post pics on here? The easiest way is if you have a photobucket account or something similiar, upload the photos on there then copy and paste the img code from there onto here.

[hartwill]

Originally posted by rayman375
What kind of arms and shocks are you putting on this build? I kept the Chrome burgard +2s and I'm gonna use my pep zps on the front and custom axis rear. Everything is standard travel. I'm gonna get all my springs PCed as well.

[hartwill]

I'll try it now

[hartwill]

<a href="http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/?action=view&amp;current=81b9ddb9-orig.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/81b9ddb9-orig.jpg" border="0" alt="Snapbucket"></a>cool, a lot of these parts are gone but this is the frame I'm using.

[hartwill]

<a href="http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/?action=view&amp;current=8ed26b38-orig.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/8ed26b38-orig.jpg" border="0" alt="Snapbucket"></a>

[HAYESTRX250R]

Not to thread jack but I keep seeing Arens frames with bolt on grab bars. I have two subframes that have the incorporated grab bars. Is that rare?

[rayman375]

Originally posted by HAYESTRX250R
Not to thread jack but I keep seeing Arens frames with bolt on grab bars. I have two subframes that have the incorporated grab bars. Is that rare?
I only knew of the Roll Design frames with the incorporated grab bar.

[hartwill]

I've never seen a Chrome arens subframe before this one I have. I was wondering if its lonestar or somethin..

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by hartwill
I've never seen a Chrome arens subframe before this one I have. I was wondering if its lonestar or somethin.. nope, that's definitely the arens star on the shock support bracket

[hartwill]

Yea, I meant maybe just the subframe was lonestar maybe..

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by hartwill
Yea, I meant maybe just the subframe was lonestar maybe.. sorry lol. Im tired! i just got done trying to keep up to 16 year old kids, riding all morning ... im getting to old for that type of pace. but ill be damned if im going to let my kid beat me!!lol

[troybilt]

My Arens subframe looks different. that could be an LSR or something else... Mine had a gusset where the top rails and the angular supports meet that has 3 holes in it...

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Arens%20Partout/DSCN1517.jpg

[hartwill]

I will have to compare better tonight when I get home. The weird thing is my front motor mount is Chrome too. The previous owner must have had it chrome.

[rayman375]

I think the newer Arens frames/subframes were a little different than the older ones. The one that I have now looks like the one Troybilt has, the gusset on the sub and no rear upper engine mount. I had a different one a couple of years ago that looked like yours, Will. The a-arm mounts are different too, if you look closely at the pics.

[hartwill]

Yea, wow I didn't even notice that his doesn't have a top rear motor mount.. do you know which one is newer? Just curious. You know now that were talking about upper motor mounts I just remembered about my head stay that I conveniently forgot to take to the powder cotter this morning..:mad:

[hartwill]

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/73d6c1a9-orig.jpg
Just picked up the frame and swinger from pc. Can't wait to get home and tear it open..

[hartwill]

Just a little update. Not bad for a weekends worth of work, huh?
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/f2b67ce3-orig.jpg

[DnB_racing]

looks nice, good progress!! just a quick question..what type of sprocket guard is that? and do you have anything on your rotor?

[hartwill]

That is a Gt Thunder sprocket gaurd for a 450r. He wont sell it to you if you say its for a 250r because he doesnt think it will work but Ive been using it for about a year now. I ordered a plastic rotor gaurd from him and a plastic full skid plate which are really nice but these too are for the 450r and he says they wont fit but my friend runs both on his 250r. The skid plate is really nice beacause it slides and doesnt hang up on stuff and its only $25.

[DoonRider]

Looks nice. Good info on the gt thunder guards.

[socal]

+3 on the guards.My Laeger swingarm is a MX setup and does not have tabs for a skid plate,need these guards when trail riding!Build looks good!Like the shade of blue!

[rayman375]

Lookin good!

[hartwill]

Here's another little update guys. I'm just waiting on a bumper and predator coolant rezzy. But here's a few pics.
These plastics are crap but its what I have to work with for now..
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/b6197e70-orig.jpg

[hartwill]

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/a61e0ea4-orig.jpg

[croat1]

looking good will.

does your powder coater have the ability to sand blast parts on site?

let me know if you ever get rid of the gold oem wheels.

[socal]

Cool!Do you have a better view of the pipe?Also,what is your ride height set at?

[hartwill]

Joe, I have a guy that sand blasts out in Berea then I take it to powder in elyria. I think all together I paid $125 with blasting and powder, and I'm on the hunt for wheels so you'll be the first to know.

Socal, ill take some more pics today. My ride height is 8" rear and just about 8 3/8" front. I have my friend coming over today to help me fine tune the suspension...

[C41Xracer]

Will pm me the blasters info, does the powder coaters have a website?

[trx250r 88]

good looking quad!

[rayman375]

I like it! I also like the gold wheels on it, it would be cool if the wheel manufacturers would offer anodizing. What kind of chassis skid do you have?

[hartwill]

Originally posted by rayman375
I like it! I also like the gold wheels on it, it would be cool if the wheel manufacturers would offer anodizing. What kind of chassis skid do you have?
That chassis skid is GtThunders poly skid plate from a 450r, all you need to do is cut about 5" off the front everything else is perfect. And they are hard to beat for only $25..
I was debating on new wheels but a lot of people like these and the hold up pretty well so I might just keep them. What does every one think?

[socal]

The wheels are fine but the gold clashes with your colors.You need a neutral color wheel,alum. Or black.Just PC those black.Just an opinion!

[trx250r 88]

i really like the red with the gold wheels!

[DoonRider]

Is this the quad you are using the 86 dogbone on? You recommend that? Seems like a easy cheap way to lower it.

Do you know how wide your front is as is? You recommend the Burgard arms?

With all of that blue and red you could do an Ohio flag theme/columbus blue jackets. I always like flag graphics.:)

[hartwill]

Originally posted by DoonRider
Is this the quad you are using the 86 dogbone on? You recommend that? Seems like a easy cheap way to lower it.

Do you know how wide your front is as is? You recommend the Burgard arms?

With all of that blue and red you do an Ohio flag theme/columbus blue jackets. I always like flag graphics.:)
Good idea on the Ohio theme. I am using the 88/89 dogbone on this one because the custom axis shock was set up for it. As for the burgard a-arms this is my second set. I had good luck with the first set and have yet to put ride time on these, but I would definatly buy these before any of the full flights or anything like that and Probly over the lonestars too. It's hard to beat burgards price..

[DoonRider]

You know where you are at for the width on the front? Did you have those PEPs built for you and that quad?

[hartwill]

No these peps are valved for 200lb mx with +3s. I'm only 155lbs and +2s. I'm working on trading for shocks set up closer to my weight because I can't afford to have these revalved right now. I believe I am right around 47" wide..

[quadfmx]

u going long travel front and back,
It seemed most of the Arens frames used stock rear linkage but if I remeber right he would build to order.
I always thought Arens was under rated products, so i think it s good frame to go with.

So is it narrow, what arms n shocks and is it cr500, no link, crf450, or std link

[hartwill]

This is a standard link frame. I'm using +2 standard travel burgards with pep zps fronts and custom axis rear. My fronts are way too stiff for me so I'm in the process of finding new ones. I agree with you 100% about Arens frames, actually at wellsville yesterday I lost it at the top of a hill they call Killer, it flipped about 8-10 times down the hill (I saw a big $ sign flipping) lol. I got back down to my quad and to my amazement all it did was push my handlers back towards the tank. I moved them back forward and rode the rest of the day with no problems..

[rayman375]

Originally posted by hartwill
This is a standard link frame. I'm using +2 standard travel burgards with pep zps fronts and custom axis rear. My fronts are way too stiff for me so I'm in the process of finding new ones. I agree with you 100% about Arens frames, actually at wellsville yesterday I lost it at the top of a hill they call Killer, it flipped about 8-10 times down the hill (I saw a big $ sign flipping) lol. I got back down to my quad and to my amazement all it did was push my handlers back towards the tank. I moved them back forward and rode the rest of the day with no problems..
Good to hear it made it out ok. Would've been good to capture that on video!

[hartwill]

Originally posted by rayman375
Good to hear it made it out ok. Would've been good to capture that on video!
I know Ray. My camera was dead or I would have been filming for sure. There were a lot of people there with cameras though so I wouldnt be suprized if it pops up on youtube, Im gonna keep an eye out. I think pretty soon Im gonna be in the market for one of them GoPro helmet cams, those things are sweet..

[hartwill]

Alright guys, been a while but figure I'll show you what I've been working on. I built this at first so I could ride it while I'm still upgrading parts. I finally got everything together to finish it how I wanted. New parts include, custom axis LT piggybacks, Walsh a arms, silver Fullbores, and last but definitely not least I had c-leigh racing build me a pro-x 330 complete motor. A arms just came back from PC so here's a few pics. Motor will arrive tomorrow.
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/D8711FDF-orig.jpg
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/fbe24786-773a-4b64-be0f-fd4ce74be4fc.jpg

[sameltoe]

Sweet ride!!

Could you post some pics of how you mounted your pipe/silencer?
Is that a ptr pipe?

[hartwill]

I will post some pics I kinda fabricated it up. Works pretty well though, I'll post them after I get it back together tomorrow evening. Oh and it's a sparks pipe.

[k7mm]

Will,that picture of your shocks look like they came strait down from heaven!

[hartwill]

Motor came in from Neil today... Looks great.
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/EB2309DC-orig.jpg

[hartwill]

Also received my beadlocks from protrax, polished them up and coated the rings and new bolts..
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/59CBE4DB-orig.jpg

[hartwill]

Little update for you guys, got my motor put in and started the break in process. Only pitted around up to about 1/4 throttle and I gotta tell you guys it is a MONSTER.. C-Leigh racing knows what he's doing for sure. Funny when I put it in I wasn't sure I could even kick it over to start it, called him up and he told me the trick. Still a leg breaker though. Also got the Walsh arms put on. Here's a few pics. Plastics are just sitting on there but you get the idea. I'll get some better pics tomorrow.
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/97E58B2B-orig.jpg
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/08581388-orig.jpg

[slamdak8782]

Really solid looking quad. Major Props. I'm getting mine powdered almost the same color.

[jamieg45]

That is looking great man, like I said if I can get one done soon we need to grt together and do some racing man. But your build is looking awesome, and what is your new motor (size,stroke,and all the rest).

[hartwill]

Sounds good man, I'm ready when you are. I still wanna make it up to silver lake this year but the problem is I don't have a vin on this arens frame or a title so I'd hate to get in a spot where they take my quad and I have No way to get it back.

Anyway, the motor is a pro cross 330 non pv. Neil had this cylinder sitting on his shelf from one of his daughters old motors and I sent him a bottom end and let him do his magic. It has his midrange port job on it.

[jamieg45]

You wont have any problems with not having a vin #, I have a banshee with no vin # on it. I bought it new from Yamaha when I was doing my mx banshee build, but I tweeked that frame and bought a mint 98 with a vin now. I never had an issue with dnr about the banshee and no vin#.

[Grande Huevos]

Did you end up putting that cr ignition in this motor? Very nice job on the build too it looks like a fun one to ride!!!

[hartwill]

Originally posted by Grande Huevos
Did you end up putting that cr ignition in this motor? Very nice job on the build too it looks like a fun one to ride!!!
not yet, im still debating whether or not i should. i have heard that it is somewhat of a headache using the 2002 ignition and unventured territory although it can be done. Its kinda discouraging to try any experimental stuff on a brand new engine...

[Flyin_250r]

Nice job on the build.

Definitely make the trip to Silverlake if you can. I went this past summer with dtowndiesel and SilverLake250r. Had an absolute blast and couldnt have gone with better guys. Let them know when you go too, you would definitely be in for a good time. Especially if Doug brings out the atc70 lol

[hartwill]

here are some better pics for you guys. still need to figure out my timing on this thing but I think shes finally looking how I want.
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/60955160-orig.jpg
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/AE14285F-orig.jpg
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/146856B2-orig.jpg
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x407/hartwill/Snapbucket/59FA9D98-orig.jpg

[hartwill]

Hey sameltoe, let me know what exhast pics you want, I think your wanting pics of where it mounts to the subframe because I have heard of people having mounting issues there but I think mine might be a lonestar subframe or something because it looks a little different than the arens ones I have seen and I didnt have any mounting issues there..

[rayman375]

Damn, the quad is looking good Will!

[jamieg45]

Looks frickin awesome Will, I am so jealouse because I cant get mine done. For the lack of funds.

[socal]

Sweet man!!!:blah: That Axis/Walsh combo is killer!!!

[beerock]

I recall someone telling me arens never made subframes. I could be wrong though

[SilverLake250R]

Originally posted by Flyin_250r
Nice job on the build.

Definitely make the trip to Silverlake if you can. I went this past summer with dtowndiesel and SilverLake250r. Had an absolute blast and couldnt have gone with better guys. Let them know when you go too, you would definitely be in for a good time. Especially if Doug brings out the atc70 lol

Let us know anytime, we'll be there, and now we have a few more 70's with big motors ;)

[hartwill]

Silverlake, I want to see some pics of those 70s, when is the best weekend to come out without being harrassed, because I don't have any come number or even proof of ownership on this quad, I know people say you don't need it but I'd rather be safe than sorry..
I'm ready to hit some dunes again though..

beerock, I think Troybilt has an arens frame with a real arens sub frame and his had quite a few differences, but my friend just bought an arens framed 250r and he has the exact same sub frame as mine.

[beerock]

Originally posted by hartwill
Silverlake, I want to see some pics of those 70s, when is the best weekend to come out without being harrassed, because I don't have any come number or even proof of ownership on this quad, I know people say you don't need it but I'd rather be safe than sorry..
I'm ready to hit some dunes again though..

beerock, I think Troybilt has an arens frame with a real arens sub frame and his had quite a few differences, but my friend just bought an arens framed 250r and he has the exact same sub frame as mine.

yea im not really sure I think it went something like this, arens started building frames and not subframes but when everyone started bugging him about it he began producing the subframes.. one of my friends has one of the first arens frames and it had a lsr subframe hes the one who told me about no subframes back in the day

[sameltoe]

My subframe looks just like yours Will

[hartwill]

ok, what pics were you looking for of the exhaust? how it mounts or just pics of the exhaust in general?

[sameltoe]

O yeah lol Kinda looking for the lower expansion chamber mount, and around to the silencer...

I think I have it figured out...I used tm designs banshee hangers which worked good, but the exhaust is about 1/4 from the lower rad hose and the plastics pretty much rest on the exhaust behind the kicker. And I cant quit get the head pipe squared with the flange :ermm: