stewart cheating?

[jmt450]

he didn't want to talk about the device on the rear rotor!

[Zakradu398]

From what I understand it is some type of traction control.

Here's some info here about what went down,

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=948970

[99400esex]

Pretty interesting, I don't see how Bubba could need that though he's already fast enough

[SRH]

its prob not traction control but there prob getting readings to change the mapping to w/e is hooking up the best if i had to bet it wasnt on his bike in the main, traction control would activel keep the motor setup hooking up and its illegal

[diangelo#67]

when I was watching yesterday I knew this would be on here. Let put this in perspective give james a factory kx250 2-stroke an he would have still won plain an simple if hes on 2 wheels an doesn't crash he's gonna win. I didn't see it first hand all I saw was a carbon brake cover, Jeremy is pissed because his riders aren't faster an thats why they are in search of any other answers

[skyeryder]

Don't think he has to cheat yet... If they were there for traction control which is illegal don't ya think they would have hid it better

[chucked]

Its not traction control, and I would say its safe to bet he wouldnt have something so obviously visable if he was going to cheat,

[diangelo#67]

exactly!!!!!
this isn't his first rodeo. He knows he is the spotlight
would never have had it so visible if it was

[ProspectorJim]

you guys are giving james stewart and his team too much credit. If they think they can get any leg up on the competition they'll try it. This isn't like a couple years ago when it was a guaranteed JS7 win, he actually has challengers.

[OutlawBill]

it just is a data logger with GPS. It let's the engineer know what JS7 bike is doing at any time and place on the track. ? is does it give the engineer real time readings and can the engineer make real time adjustment during the race?

[FHKracingZ]

The 08 and newer ltr quads have a traction control system where it retards the timing when the ecm notices excessive wheel spin. This is nothing new. I believe they are using this system for tuning.

[Canadian144]

Originally posted by FHKracingZ
The 08 and newer ltr quads have a traction control system where it retards the timing when the ecm notices excessive wheel spin. This is nothing new. I believe they are using this system for tuning.

You sure about that (in terms of 08 and up LTRs)? I didn't notice any sensors or anything on my rear axle. I can do burnouts all the way up/down the gravel driveway at my farm without noticing anything out of the ordinary.

[chucked]

Because it goes off engine rpm

[chucked]

Look at the bottom paragraph
http://www.atvriders.com/atvreviews/suzuki2008ltr450quadraceratvpressintro.html

[Canadian144]

Originally posted by chucked
Look at the bottom paragraph
http://www.atvriders.com/atvreviews/suzuki2008ltr450quadraceratvpressintro.html

Cool, thanks for sharing. You learn new things all the time!

[rubbersdown]

Originally posted by OutlawBill
it just is a data logger with GPS. It let's the engineer know what JS7 bike is doing at any time and place on the track. ? is does it give the engineer real time readings and can the engineer make real time adjustment during the race?

It is obviously just some sort of data logger. Records wheel speeds and wheelspin and the techs look at the data and can adjust what they need to do via mapping, timing and different tires BEFORE THE MAIN. The thing is, when everyone was talking about it and they showed it it was during the practice and the photo shoot right after. When he lined up for the heat and the main IT WAS NOT on his bike anymore. There were 3 or 4 guys out on the track in practice that had the same exact thing on their bikes. ALL of them had it taken off during the actual races.
Per AMA rules not only is there no traction control allowed, you are not allowed to have any data logging devices on your bike during a race, only during practice. Hence the reason it was not on his or any of the other guys bikes during the actual race. Look at the main when hes lined up, they start talking about it and zoom in on his rear caliper and its gone, the camera man just focuses on the rubber grommet piece of his caliper because theres nothing else there anymore. They all took it off before the race via AMA rules.

[SRH]

oh come on, whats stewart gotta do to prove to you haters there is not another guy on the track of his caliber?

villopoto is close but he will only push so far, stewart has alot on reserve

im not saying stewart is unbeatable, but give him some credit, the dude has more heart, more balls and more talent than anyone but pastrana...pastrana could of been a stewart if it wasnt for injury and lack of focus

[ProspectorJim]

Originally posted by SRH
oh come on, whats stewart gotta do to prove to you haters there is not another guy on the track of his caliber?

villopoto is close but he will only push so far, stewart has alot on reserve

im not saying stewart is unbeatable, but give him some credit, the dude has more heart, more balls and more talent than anyone but pastrana...pastrana could of been a stewart if it wasnt for injury and lack of focus

He's also an extremely dirty racer and a cocky ******* as seen in bubba's world.

[300ex_#387]

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/MotoRelated,20/GET-has-received-more-advertisement,1185709?page=1

Larry Brooks explains what it is in this thread. These bikes have to pass inspection before they even race. If they do anything illegal it would be caught before the speed camera would even see it.

[FHKracingZ]

Prospector if you seriouslly believe that is how he acts on the show you need your head checked. Its a reality show to get rating thats it..

[quadrider2112]

Stewart is the baddest man on 2 wheels period. Barring injury he will reclaim his title.

Villopoto's time is coming and if James was to get injured he will take the #1 plate.

In my opinion this will be one of the best supercross season in a long time. The top 5 or 6 guys should be pretty tight. But what do i know im more of a 4 wheel guy.

[ProspectorJim]

Originally posted by FHKracingZ
Prospector if you seriouslly believe that is how he acts on the show you need your head checked. Its a reality show to get rating thats it..

Reality shines through in bits and pieces and you can really see that in Bubba's world. He honestly is cocky and a dirty rider.

[440racer66]

Originally posted by ProspectorJim
Reality shines through in bits and pieces and you can really see that in Bubba's world. He honestly is cocky and a dirty rider.

but he wins.

[Pappy]

I had to eat crow....

I was ragging on Stewart for going down in his heat race, then when Villipoto was on him during the main he did the same thing.

Stewart has more to offer then what he showed, but Villipoto has what it takes, he just needs an injury free year of shadowing Stewart. Like Ricky stated, get on his rear fender and rattle him!

[SRH]

Originally posted by Pappy
I had to eat crow....

I was ragging on Stewart for going down in his heat race, then when Villipoto was on him during the main he did the same thing.

Stewart has more to offer then what he showed, but Villipoto has what it takes, he just needs an injury free year of shadowing Stewart. Like Ricky stated, get on his rear fender and rattle him!


i gotta agree but he has to get on his back wheel at stewart and rc speed, not the pace they raced the other night

and stewart isnt really cocky hes just getting use to being in front of the camera he was accused of having no personality initially and just being a boring guy, his show has really changed that, i think its great, i dont really see him being cocky anywhere...stop hatin

[Pappy]

Couldnt tell ya Bill, I dont watch that crap on TV, could careless what he does off the track LOL!

[xrxmxcx]

Originally posted by jmt450
he didn't want to talk about the device on the rear rotor!

BECAUSE IT WASNT THERE IN ANY ACTUAL RACES!

..only practice.

:rolleyes:

[atveric132]

i dont think its any type of traction control. at that level you would do anything to win but why take a chance on being docked points or whtever they would do. i would think its so they can get the maximum out of the bike as far as wheel speed and all that

[xcrider]

Great Job Bubba. If it was illegal then he would have been DQ'd. there is nothing wrong with monitoring your bike's performance. I am just curious what changes would you make, different tire?
It would be illegal to adjust the timing on the fly or to use a traction control.

[300exQuadracer]

Originally posted by xrxmxcx
BECAUSE IT WASNT THERE IN ANY ACTUAL RACES!

..only practice.

:rolleyes:

it WAS on the bike in pheonix

[ballzdeep38]

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Originally posted by xrxmxcx
BECAUSE IT WASNT THERE IN ANY ACTUAL RACES!

..only practice.


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it WAS on the bike in pheonix

I believe what xrx is saying is that the device was on the bike in practice in Phoenix, but was off the bike during the heat race and the main. hence it WASNT on the bike in any actual races...