any gun guys on here

[woodsracer144]

hey just got another rifle today. its a WASR 10/ 63 other wise known as a AK-47. 2.76x39 I got it at Dunham for the huge sale. it was 279 W/o tax.

any other guys on here big gun guys?

[440racer66]

you must have had a typo but its a 7.62x39 and yeah those are great ak's. i like that round better then a .223 and your ak will allways fire. i have a siaga 12 wich is a ak that shoots .12 gauge shotgun shells ha for home defense and a few sks's. but i just got me a new browning a-bolt in .300 win mag with a big ole leupold scope.

[CJM]

Nice find. Mags are cheap and ammo is ok in price for those AK's.

I currently have just my mossberg 500 and my savage 110 30-06 bolt action. I used to have an M1A (M14 Clone) and a 10/22 ruger.

NJ sucks for guns, we cant have most everything..such as the way it goes.

[Tommy Warren]

m16 with a thermal scope, grenade launcher, and a heartbeat sensor:blah:

[CannondaleRider]

Never dealt with an actual AK, only the Saiga 12 variant of it.... but, I do have a Russian SKS.. which fires the same 7.62 round as the AK. Fun little round, doesn't kick hard, decently accurate, packs a punch, and it's cheap.

Also have a SIG Sauer P225/P6 9mm which is my daily carry pistol, a Makarov 9x18mm that I'll throw in my pocket if I don't feel like carrying a full-size pistol.

Also have a Remington Model 700 chambered in 30-06, a flawless Mossberg 500 that is my bird gun, an older Mossberg 500 that I use as my HD shotgun, an old Savage single-shot 20-Ga that I'll use on dove.... just for the fun of it. Seems like I have some more, can't recall.

Also hoping to have a Colt XSE Combat Elite Government .45 heading my way here pretty soon.

Yeah... I'm a gun guy, a 2nd Amendment advocate, and an NRA member. ha

[ProspectorJim]

Originally posted by woodsracer144
hey just got another rifle today. its a WASR 10/ 63 other wise known as a AK-47. 2.76x39 I got it at Dunham for the huge sale. it was 279 W/o tax.

any other guys on here big gun guys?

I work at a Dunham's. The guns sales were going crazy today.

[SRH]

Originally posted by Tommy Warren
m16 with a thermal scope, grenade launcher, and a heartbeat sensor:blah:

you cant have all 3 theres no perk for that

[JJs450r]

i wanna buy some so i can get ready for the zombie apocalypse

on a side and serious note cool deal on the gun ive been wanting one for a while

[97blaster200]

i have a mossberg 500 12ga and a beretta 92 fs as just something fun to shoot for now. will be getting an AR soon though.

NJ does suck for gun laws, but what are you gonna do?

They just banned all AK variants here....

[jcs003]

Originally posted by SRH
you cant have all 3 theres no perk for that

what dunhams do you work at? i have one about a mile from my house. you can PM me if you dont wish to openly share.

[CJM]

Originally posted by 97blaster200
i have a mossberg 500 12ga and a beretta 92 fs as just something fun to shoot for now. will be getting an AR soon though.

NJ does suck for gun laws, but what are you gonna do?

They just banned all AK variants here....

AK's have been banned for years, I think the saiga is all we can have

[97blaster200]

ok, go to your local gun place and ask if they have any saiga's

[dirtracer86]

Got an SKS next best thing to an AK

[CJM]

Originally posted by 97blaster200
ok, go to your local gun place and ask if they have any saiga's

Really, that sucks. I havent been in awhile since the nearest real guns tore is over an hour away and I spend all my cash on my vehicles these days.

[woodsracer144]

yeah typo my bad...

this gun is really close to the SKS the only thing different is that i have a bigger mag. other wise i dont think theres much differance. theres small ones i know.

last year i got a steal on a new winchester model 70 with a 30-06 and a 3x9 scope i think. i think i only paid a little over 4 with out tax i cant remember it was a new gun that was classed as a used one cause they did paper work on it and never shot it. and i know its never been shot.

Im not sure what those other AK's are. I only hear alot about the AR15 with the .223 round bushmaster I think.


I took it deer hunting yesterday ( had the odd six in the truck too) but i didnt see anything so i was doing some target shooting and i really really like there is almost NO recoil at all cause i can only shoot that odd six like 3 times at a target. when its at a deer i dont feel it cause i messed my neck up in a wreck.



one thing i will say is they use about 5 pounds of grease too much on it. i cleaned it for like a half hour cause it was just nasty...


hey Jim what was the most common one for you's? did you have to call your sales in to the head guys cause i was waiting for a half hour because of it.

[06typeS]

Just sold my keltec p3at a few weeks ago, looking to pick up a wather PK380.

Got P22 for the GF, and then have a marlin 30-30 lever and a .22 rifle i forgot what brand


Gander Mt had AR-15's for $600 around here on friday

[dns1764]

just got into guns recently. i personally have a marlin 981t, rem 700 30-06, and a rem 870 12ga.

my brother has a .357 s&w 686, mossberg 835 12ga, walther p380, p22, rem 870, s&w 1911.

and my dad added on to the collection with a m&p15-22, ppk, sig mosquito, and a .357 s&w.

hopefully in the near future i can get an ar15.

[standardryder]

I have a Smith and Wesson m&p 15 MOE with a burris AR-332 prisim sight and a bunch of other stuff. Also a Smith and Wesson m&p 45ACP. Next is a S&W M&P9 compact for my concealed... I like Smith and Wesson.

[wckedclownz69]

the new winchester 1911 is awesome... perfect fit in the hand... not to bad in price.. about $500 in pa..

[ProspectorJim]

Originally posted by jcs003
what dunhams do you work at? i have one about a mile from my house. you can PM me if you dont wish to openly share.

The monroeville store. I refuse to work the gun counter though.

[woodsracer144]

Originally posted by 06typeS
Just sold my keltec p3at a few weeks ago, looking to pick up a wather PK380.

Got P22 for the GF, and then have a marlin 30-30 lever and a .22 rifle i forgot what brand


Gander Mt had AR-15's for $600 around here on friday


dunham's had them cheaper i think. upper 5's still not bad

[woodsracer144]

I have no clue what half those guns are! haha I know mostly the WW2 and nam stuff. Ar Ak sks m1 m44

[reptikes]

A buddy of mine is selling a mint WASR-10 for $200... tempting but not worth it.
The WASR-10 is probably one of the worst AK's you can get. There enough stuff you can do to it, but its still a WASR-10
If/when buying a gun like an AK... spend the money. It'll be worth it!

[woodsracer144]

Idk i think its a good gun... i've found out how to make it a full auto... just gonna have to do a little welding and cutting and machine work and i'll be set...


whats so bad with the WASR 10's?

[CJM]

Originally posted by woodsracer144
Idk i think its a good gun... i've found out how to make it a full auto... just gonna have to do a little welding and cutting and machine work and i'll be set...


whats so bad with the WASR 10's?

do that and you get a nice trip to a place where you never get to leave again...

[cataway]

i can honestly say i rather enjoy shooting . for some unknown reason i have several guns in the 7.62X39 SKS, mini30, TC rifle &pistol barrels and a AR. the AR is my most favorite and way more accurate then i ever expected to be . shot an 8 pointer with it this year.

[smr]

Originally posted by dirtracer86
Got an SKS next best thing to an AK

I disagree..... Mac90 is much better than the SKS. I have over 5000 rounds through mine and it still shots true.

[One_Bad_400]

Originally posted by CJM
do that and you get a nice trip to a place where you never get to leave again...

You'll go there if you kill someone with a .22... what the fuzz don't know don't hurt'm.

but... http://www.supermotojunkie.com/images/smilies/needpics1.gif

[TheLane]

Remington 700 .308 ( so i can shoot zombies from my roof)

glock 23 compact .40 (so the zombies cant see the fact that im about to shoot them from my roof)

my red rider bb gun ( so the zombies can see me shoot my eye out......on my roof)

[trailrider894]

Well... here i go...

Ruger 10/22

Mossberg .22 (that gun is a joke :eek2:)

Mossberg .22-S-L-LR

Remington 30-30. My grandfather gave me that gun and it is nearly 70 years old, i still can shoot yotes from 200yds with it.

Savage 110 .270

Russian SKS

Beretta 9mm 92FS

Winchester .243 Lever Action. ( can't remember the exact model, its been forever since i have shot it. )

NEF .410 Break Open Shotgun

Mossberg 500 .12 gauge.

Winchester 1300 .12 gauge.

Marlin Model 980S Bolt Action 22 LR

Japanese 16 gauge shotgun that is un-branded that my grandfather brought back from the philippines in WWII.

Type 99 Arisaka

Red Rider BB Gun

Two Camo Crossman BB/Pellet Guns...

I do believe that is it... i am a gun geek on the side... lol i inherited a-lot of weapons from my grandfather.

Don't believe my list? i can take a picture.

[woodsracer144]

Originally posted by CJM
do that and you get a nice trip to a place where you never get to leave again...

you do know you can buy a full auto for like a millon dollars right? I know a guy in Washington that has a few on a powerstroke forum. hes got about 100 M1's also.


I dont plan on doing it cause its not like i shoot it really fast cause i'd be all over the place but i do know how i could make it full auto... I think.

[CJM]

Originally posted by woodsracer144
you do know you can buy a full auto for like a millon dollars right? I know a guy in Washington that has a few on a powerstroke forum. hes got about 100 M1's also.


I dont plan on doing it cause its not like i shoot it really fast cause i'd be all over the place but i do know how i could make it full auto... I think.

You cannot manufacture your own machine gun unless you have a specific license to do so and even then it isnt worth it. You must also fill out a mountain of paperwork and pay a 200 dollar tax on each and every gun.

To just buy one is easy, fill out paperwork, wait like a year while they screw around with it, pay the $200 tax and its yours so long as you:
Not a felon, convicted of domestic abuse, illegal alien, not dishonorable discharged from military, were never committed or found to be mentally unstable, not convicted of drug crimes, etc, etc.

Basically they dont want you to have one...

Modifying say an AR15 to fire full auto when it wasnt originally registered as an MG lands you in alot of trouble as well. All guns out there now aside from whats made for the military were all made before the 1986 ban on manufacture of MG.

To the guy who said what the law dont know dont hurt-yea sure whatever. Till someone does find out and you have 20 ATF agents kicking down your door and stomping fluffy down and arresting your butt.

Dont take the chance, aint worth it. Murderers and rapists will serve less time than you will.

[ZeroLogic]

Originally posted by woodsracer144
you do know you can buy a full auto for like a millon dollars right? I know a guy in Washington that has a few on a powerstroke forum. hes got about 100 M1's also.


I dont plan on doing it cause its not like i shoot it really fast cause i'd be all over the place but i do know how i could make it full auto... I think.

You can own as many non auto firearms as you want. Altering any firearm into full auto is illegal, unless it is inspected by the ATF and you are licensed.
It isn't a million dollars. What the guy above me is correct. But that also gives them rights to break into your house anytime to review your collection.

[One_Bad_400]

Chill out fella. No one is going to be busting down anyones door unless they deserve to have their door busted down. I'm sure there are way more automatic weapons in peoples homes then you think

[CJM]

Originally posted by One_Bad_400
Chill out fella. No one is going to be busting down anyones door unless they deserve to have their door busted down. I'm sure there are way more automatic weapons in peoples homes then you think

You would think so and there are plenty of people whose grandfathers or such brought back stuff after the war-but if the ATF were to learn you have even a dummy grenade they will send out an entire squad-heres a perfect example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Ballew_raid

[woodsracer144]

I'm not saying i would make it full auto but im saying it wouldnt take much. I already had the gun torn all apart and it is just taking one pin out and removing a little hook that catches the hammer and then replacing that same pin.

In my honest mind think that the goverments gun control is a load of horse ****. watch this guys vid. every bit is true. i can get a throw a way easier than one i have in my name.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfxH8BbK7AU

[trick450r]

that about covers it. My father is just wrapping up getting his FFL (federal firearms license) Its a real PITA and does require a meeting and inspection of the home from the ATF. However, no they cannot break into your legal residence just for an inspection. Without a warrant that would be immensly unconsitutional. But they do require mandatory inspections of the home and gun storage area, these are scheduled with you though.

Also you can certainly own and operate fully automatic weapons in this country with an FFL and in some states without, I highly doubt you can distribute them though. However you can make and sell silencers! (to those with the qualification atleast)


Good post CJM, only thing I cant agree with is many machine guns are produced in america and out right up untill this day, and sold to the qualified public.



Originally posted by CJM
You cannot manufacture your own machine gun unless you have a specific license to do so and even then it isnt worth it. You must also fill out a mountain of paperwork and pay a 200 dollar tax on each and every gun.

To just buy one is easy, fill out paperwork, wait like a year while they screw around with it, pay the $200 tax and its yours so long as you:
Not a felon, convicted of domestic abuse, illegal alien, not dishonorable discharged from military, were never committed or found to be mentally unstable, not convicted of drug crimes, etc, etc.

Basically they dont want you to have one...

Modifying say an AR15 to fire full auto when it wasnt originally registered as an MG lands you in alot of trouble as well. All guns out there now aside from whats made for the military were all made before the 1986 ban on manufacture of MG.

To the guy who said what the law dont know dont hurt-yea sure whatever. Till someone does find out and you have 20 ATF agents kicking down your door and stomping fluffy down and arresting your butt.

Dont take the chance, aint worth it. Murderers and rapists will serve less time than you will.

[CJM]

A licensed dealer can own post 1986 guns, a regular joe cannot. In reality its all a load of horse hooey, but the fed govt says otherwise.

However its more of a novelty of having a FA AK or M16, etc. About the only thing I myself would personally want thats FA is a true MG such as an MG42, FN Minimi, etc. Those are actually usefull, where a FA rifle is just a fun toy.

Also, DO NOT trust the ATF-PERIOD.. They are some of the worst federal employees imaginable next to the tsa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act


The domestic manufacture of new machine guns that civilians could purchase was effectively banned by language in the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (also known as "McClure-Volkmer"). The language was added in an amendment from William J. Hughes and referred to as the Hughes Amendment.[11]

Machine guns legally registered prior to the date of enactment (i.e. May 1986) are still legal for possession by and transfer among civilians where permitted by state law. The static and relatively small number of transferable machine guns has caused their price to rise, often over $10,000, although transferable Mac-10 and Mac-11 submachine guns can still be purchased for around $3,500.

Machine guns manufactured after the FOPA's enactment can be sold only to law enforcement and government agencies, exported, or held as inventory or "dealer samples" by licensed manufacturers and dealers.

Machine guns made after 1986 for law enforcement but not transferable to civilian registration are usually priced only a few hundred dollars more than their semi-automatic counterparts, whereas a pre-Hughes Amendment registered machine gun that can be legally transferred commands a huge premium.

[2004exrider]

Don't believe everything you hear about Romanian WASR 10 Ak's unless you have tried one yourself. I have owned one since early 2007, great shooting fun rifle. Cheap parts for 'em, cheap (ok, maybe affordable) ammo, and mags are available everywhere. I'm a bit of a Military Surplus collector, I'm a fool for communist arms mainly;) I won't post them all but here are some that i have right now. If i had a descentc camera I'd post some pics, but I'll try and find some online.

Good sites to check out:
www.centerfiresystems.com
www.cheaperthandirt.com

-Romanian Ak-47
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/productimages/ak/AKAGUN20_rt_withmag_D.jpg

-Saiga 12 (5 Round Mag, and a 20 Round Drum)
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/productimages/long_guns/SAI-12_right_D.jpg

-Romanian PSL 54C
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/productimages/long_guns/DRA-GUN-nobayonetlug-D.jpg
-Yugoslavian 59/66 SKS
-Mosin Nagant 91-30, M38, M44
-Winchester 94
-Smith & Wesson M&P 9

Then some other American shotties, pistols, etc...

[buck440]

been a few months since i posted...my boom sticks.

[buck440]

ar

[buck440]

eotech

[buck440]

colorful

[buck440]

glock 30 .45 acp

[woodsracer144]

Nice AR! I would like to get a AR15, 1911 and a shotgun some time soon the 1911 might be harder cause im not 21 yet

[TNRHINO]

Buck440 nice stipple job. Did you do it or someone do it for you. Here is a pic of my AR. Since the pic i have added a red dot and vfg to it.


http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt333/TNRHINO/029.jpg

[buck440]

Originally posted by woodsracer144
some time soon the 1911 might be harder cause im not 21 yet

oh im not 21:chinese:

[woodsracer144]

Originally posted by buck440
oh im not 21:chinese:

well in that case you need to find some one willing to buy the gun for you or a guy at a gun show that doesnt want to do paper work...

[buck440]

Originally posted by woodsracer144
well in that case you need to find some one willing to buy the gun for you or a guy at a gun show that doesnt want to do paper work...

lol the last part reminded me of my dad. it seems like every other week he comes home with a new gun and i asked where it came from and he either says "a guy had a bunch of'em in his truck and i bought one" or "some guy i met" and i'm just like wtf dad lol. i'm just hoping the fuzz doesn't come busting our doors down lol.

[ben300]

Originally posted by buck440
lol the last part reminded me of my dad. it seems like every other week he comes home with a new gun and i asked where it came from and he either says "a guy had a bunch of'em in his truck and i bought one" or "some guy i met" and i'm just like wtf dad lol. i'm just hoping the fuzz doesn't come busting our doors down lol.

great way to go to jail for a very, very long time

[woodsracer144]

no body in WI canges the name of the gun to theirs after its sold. unless its from a dealer... very few do if any do... a buddy has about 6 guns and a .357 mag and none are in his name.

[trailrider894]

Originally posted by woodsracer144
no body in WI canges the name of the gun to theirs after its sold. unless its from a dealer... very few do if any do... a buddy has about 6 guns and a .357 mag and none are in his name.

Just seems shady to me... If you sold a gun and didn't get the name changed, you could get wacked for murder if that gun were ever used to kill someone.

[woodsracer144]

Originally posted by trailrider894
Just seems shady to me... If you sold a gun and didn't get the name changed, you could get wacked for murder if that gun were ever used to kill someone.

yeah you just say you sold it and write up a bill of sale

[One_Bad_400]

I live in Memphis, TN. Why would you ever put your gun in your name, then you WILL get wacked for murder :p . A small town with no crime, I can understand getting your gun in your name. But around here, I'm sure about 50% of the guns in Memphis don't have a name to them.

[buck440]

in ill no need for paperwork with private sales.

[TheIceMan]

some of my junk ...too bad my dogs ate them all ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Vinmaster/10.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Vinmaster/32.jpg


oh and here's a few rounds I have in tins


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Vinmaster/33.jpg

[One_Bad_400]

You have too much ammo! Send me a box of 223 and I'll help you dispose of it :D

[ben300]

Originally posted by One_Bad_400
You have too much ammo! Send me a box of 223 and I'll help you dispose of it :D

theres no such thing as too much!

[One_Bad_400]

I predict the zombie apocalypse for won't happen for another 3 years. We need to be burning up that ammo for practice. THEN we will stash

[TURBO33]

anyone needs guns or ammo I sell and trade guns. usually I can beet the big box stores as well on most everything we sell glocks for 500.00

[TheIceMan]

Originally posted by One_Bad_400
You have too much ammo! Send me a box of 223 and I'll help you dispose of it :D

lmao!! hook me up with some tt parts :D ...J/K....I just filled up 6 more tins of 5.56 today. Oh,I can also give thumbs up to S&W for their M&P15 (early models were made by Stag,but all are done in-house now...I think).I've put around 2,000 + rounds through it without a hiccup.

This is my latest and NO the supressor isn't real ;) http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/208108000/208108925/pix414401230.jpg

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/208108000/208108925/pix726093390.jpg

[One_Bad_400]

Originally posted by TheIceMan
lmao!! hook me up with some tt parts :D ...J/K

Anything else you got that you might be interested in trading? :chinese:

[slightlybent47]

On the fully automatic fire arms issue, I think it is illegal to even posses the components to make or convert a gun to full auto. And possessing a silencer is illegal as well. Getting caught with any thing full auto will get you locked up for a long time.
As for the ATF needing a warrant, that all flew out the window after 911.
That was one of our rights we lost with the patriot act.
Stay legal and you have no worries.(YET)

[CJM]

Originally posted by slightlybent47
On the fully automatic fire arms issue, I think it is illegal to even posses the components to make or convert a gun to full auto. And possessing a silencer is illegal as well. Getting caught with any thing full auto will get you locked up for a long time.
As for the ATF needing a warrant, that all flew out the window after 911.
That was one of our rights we lost with the patriot act.
Stay legal and you have no worries.(YET)

^ Exactly.

Also in the ATF's eyes your guilty till proven innocent. Dont think for a second that they arent crooked either, believe me the things they do to get people are short of amazing. Planting evidence is just one of the things they have been caught doing-but since they is the gubmint they get away with it.

[buck440]

Originally posted by slightlybent47
And possessing a silencer is illegal as well.


depending on state and if you did your paperwork. a local gun store in indiana has a case full of them anywhere from $300-$2000

[buck440]

some neat stuff

http://www.urban-armory.com/cart/

http://opencarry.org/maps.html

[One_Bad_400]

Originally posted by slightlybent47
And possessing a silencer is illegal as well.

Only illegal in 13 states

[suck my pipe]

I will have the tank and a side order of mini gun please.:D

[TheLane]

Originally posted by buck440
some neat stuff

http://www.urban-armory.com/cart/

http://opencarry.org/maps.html


wtf! :eek2: you can buy a full auto grenade launcher????? i so need one of those.. neighbors ****ty little dogs go bye bye.

[CJM]

Originally posted by TheLane
wtf! :eek2: you can buy a full auto grenade launcher????? i so need one of those.. neighbors ****ty little dogs go bye bye.

good luck buying the grenades for it, each of them is quite $$$ and paperwork needs to be filed for every single one..:ermm:

[buck440]

Originally posted by TheLane
wtf! :eek2: you can buy a full auto grenade launcher????? i so need one of those.. neighbors ****ty little dogs go bye bye.

they are chalk rounds. grenades and other explosive devices are not legal period. you can get a m203 or a m79 grenade launcher but it will only shoot chalk, smoke, flares, and buckshot out of them. the rounds you see are blue which is the color of chalk rounds btw.

[One_Bad_400]

Originally posted by TheIceMan
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Vinmaster/32.jpg


Hey IceMan, If you don't mind me asking. What kind of optics setup is that and about how much did you pay for it?

[TheIceMan]

Originally posted by One_Bad_400
Hey IceMan, If you don't mind me asking. What kind of optics setup is that and about how much did you pay for it?

That one is a Bushnell trophy red dot. It was around $150,give or take.It is an ok optic,holds zero good,but I wouldn't suggest it for long term usage.It does look like an ACOG,has open sights on top,which is kinda cool.Right now I'm deciding on either an Aimpoint 1x,or Eotech 517,or may just splurge and get an ACOG.I do like Leupolds AR scopes too! I witnessed an instructor throw an ACOG against a wall,put it back on the weapon,the scope worked perfect. :eek:

[buck440]

eotech is the way to go:macho be ready to spend around $600. once you go eotech there's no going back:blah:

[buck440]

wow i just priced the eotech's and they went down a couple hundred since i bought mine

[CJM]

I tried the eotech, its a nice sight but I had a few issues. First off the gun literally cooked it when I did rapid fire for 200+ rds, it overheated and kept shutting off. Then it kept having battery issues, the thing would die way to easy.

I switched to aimpoint..no more issues.

I do like the way the eotech reticle was, made using it from any angle or way possible due to the way its designed.

[woodsracer144]

ok how can you open carry a firearm in my mind like a glock, SIG, 1911, .44 .45 a mag. .357 at the age of 18 but we cant buy them till your 21 in the state of WI. the only thing i can think of is open carry for the rifles if your under 21...

[CJM]

^ Problem is many years ago some idiots dreamed up all these stupid laws... The laws are nothing but feel good bs and dont actually stop or do anything.

How come you can sign my life away at 17 and join the military and die for my country but you cant drink till 21 or own a firearm in some cases till your 21 or buy ciggs in some cases if your not 19?

Its all bull cause it doesnt work. Prohibition didnt work and cause more issues than it solved, gun control doesnt work at all-if someone really wants a gun to commit a crime you betcha they can get one be it legal or not.

My personal opinion is if everyone was armed and trained to use a gun then we wouldnt have crime like switzerland. Because whomever would be stupid enough to try pulling anything would die b/c everyones armed. An armed society is a polite society.

[woodsracer144]

I agree very much!

[dns1764]

i'm looking for my first handgun and want some input. I've shot a pps, pk380, 1911, ad a few 22s. I've been looking at a ruger sr9 compact and i can get one for $400. I seem to do better with the 380 and .45. Should i get a sr40 instead? or something else?

[Pappy]

I have the ACOG, love it.

You al better be buying everything you want and soon. The fall out from the shooting in AZ is going to raise prices and be prepared for the magazine bans to come back in fashion!

[CJM]

Originally posted by dns1764
i'm looking for my first handgun and want some input. I've shot a pps, pk380, 1911, ad a few 22s. I've been looking at a ruger sr9 compact and i can get one for $400. I seem to do better with the 380 and .45. Should i get a sr40 instead? or something else?

Glock, be it 9mm, .40 S&W or .45 ACP. Simple to use, easy to operate and reliable period. A police trade in or used glock can also be found pretty cheap.

If you dont want a glock then I suggest a 1911 style pistol. Tried and true design.

Dont buy a ruger, they arent worth the money.

[dns1764]

Originally posted by CJM
Glock, be it 9mm, .40 S&W or .45 ACP. Simple to use, easy to operate and reliable period. A police trade in or used glock can also be found pretty cheap.

If you dont want a glock then I suggest a 1911 style pistol. Tried and true design.

Dont buy a ruger, they arent worth the money.
forgot to mention i am from MA, and we have the dumbest gun laws around. I can only get pre 1998 glocks. they are available, but limited and the ones in good condition are $$$

[CJM]

That is indeed an issue. Older glocks are just fine tho.

Go for the 1911 if you want something newer, like I said ultra reliable proven guns.

[ben300]

Originally posted by CJM
Glock, be it 9mm, .40 S&W or .45 ACP. Simple to use, easy to operate and reliable period. A police trade in or used glock can also be found pretty cheap.

If you dont want a glock then I suggest a 1911 style pistol. Tried and true design.

Dont buy a ruger, they arent worth the money.

i personally believe rugers make decent guns. the sr9 is a decent gun, and are fairly priced.

personally, if i was looking for compact polymer framed semi, id look at an xdm .40 compact....just a personal choice...

1911's are good guns, like said, but when your looking for a compact, they have limited magazine capacity compared to some of the newer xd or sr or m&p compact polymer framed guns

[CJM]

I do not like the rugers after attending several gun schools, same goes for the XD and M&P. Im not sure why but they just aint as good.

Few guys ran them and always have issues, failure to feed, extract, fire, etc. Comes from running the gun too much in a short period of time I guess-but you expect the gun to go bang every time you squeeze the trigger. So far the I find the glock and the 1911 always go bang as did the EAA witness the one guy was using.

Thats just my take, ruger does make a decent gun but I just dont like'm and there is much better stuff around.

[buck440]

Originally posted by CJM
I do not like the rugers after attending several gun schools, same goes for the XD and M&P. Im not sure why but they just aint as good.

Few guys ran them and always have issues, failure to feed, extract, fire, etc. Comes from running the gun too much in a short period of time I guess-but you expect the gun to go bang every time you squeeze the trigger. So far the I find the glock and the 1911 always go bang as did the EAA witness the one guy was using.

Thats just my take, ruger does make a decent gun but I just dont like'm and there is much better stuff around.

sounds like somebody wants a glllOOOOOoooooock:D


you know what caliber

[CJM]

^ No, I just know a good gun vs a hunk of junk. lol...

[reptikes]

Originally posted by CJM
I do not like the rugers after attending several gun schools, same goes for the XD and M&P. Im not sure why but they just aint as good.

Few guys ran them and always have issues, failure to feed, extract, fire, etc. .


I've never heard ANYTHING but good things about the XD. How do you know a couple people that had problems with them? And i havent heard of one?:rolleyes:

If i was to buy a new hand gun, it would be either a glock or XDM in .45 acp

[buck440]

Originally posted by CJM
^ No, I just know a good gun vs a hunk of junk. lol...
lol obviously not:blah:

[CJM]

Originally posted by buck440
lol obviously not:blah:

Whatever you say, a ruger pistol will never be as reliable as a glock or 1911 period.

As for the XD, they had all kinds of failures to extract, fire, go back into battery when pushed, when I went to tactical response this past summer and took fighting pistol. A few guys gave up and rented a 1911s off james and others just kept trying(owner of the school) http://www.tacticalresponse.com/. Maybe its cause they were pushed and shot many rounds off in a short period of time. All I know is the glock, various 1911,s and hi powers of various makes had no issues and ran without a hiccup.

When I squeeze the trigger the gun better go bang, not have a failure to fire or whatever. When it comes to guns everyone is opinionated just the same as they are with cars, quads or whatever. Unless you have practical experience and have the issues I describe happen to you you can think otherwise. Course when it counts and malfunctions it would really suck if it was a deadly situation where it was gonna count.

[ben300]

Originally posted by reptikes
I've never heard ANYTHING but good things about the XD. How do you know a couple people that had problems with them? And i havent heard of one?:rolleyes:

If i was to buy a new hand gun, it would be either a glock or XDM in .45 acp

exactly...there a tons of people who own the xd and xdm models and have shot thousands of rounds through them with out any ftf or fte problems...

i agree the glock is one of the best guns on the market, and have been proven time and time again in competitive and real world use, but the springfields are good quality guns

[CJM]

Just so Im clear, XD is OK but doesnt like to be dirty or run hard, thats when it has failures. The extractors in them are junk.

As for the rugers: problem with them is they arent finished right, rough casting parts, things not totally finished when assembled, etc. I opened up one I was working on awhile back and it still had coolant residue in it from the factory tooling-the gun was bought and NEVER fired or used but the guy wanted me to go over it after reading on the net about them. How can you not finish something and assemble it and sell it?

[buck440]

you just tuched my emo side when you said glocks were junk cheico. now hipoint is mother ******* junk lol. i wouldn't wipe my *** with that:)

[ben300]

Originally posted by CJM
Just so Im clear, XD is OK but doesnt like to be dirty or run hard, thats when it has failures. The extractors in them are junk.

As for the rugers: problem with them is they arent finished right, rough casting parts, things not totally finished when assembled, etc. I opened up one I was working on awhile back and it still had coolant residue in it from the factory tooling-the gun was bought and NEVER fired or used but the guy wanted me to go over it after reading on the net about them. How can you not finish something and assemble it and sell it?

sounds like it was made by remington 2-6 years ago, haha

[ben300]

Originally posted by buck440
you just tuched my emo side when you said glocks were junk cheico. now hipoint is mother ******* junk lol. i wouldn't wipe my *** with that:)

agreed, people who buy high point guns deserve to have their gun not go off when its needed

[CJM]

Originally posted by ben300
agreed, people who buy high point guns deserve to have their gun not go off when its needed

Agreed, the people who buy that junk deserve what they get, that and people who buy jennings even worse junk..


Originally posted by ben300
sounds like it was made by remington 2-6 years ago, haha

You would be shocked just how many ruger guns even recently are not finished very well at all.

[slightlybent47]

Originally posted by CJM
Whatever you say, a ruger pistol will never be as reliable as a glock or 1911 period.

As for the XD, they had all kinds of failures to extract, fire, go back into battery when pushed, when I went to tactical response this past summer and took fighting pistol. A few guys gave up and rented a 1911s off james and others just kept trying(owner of the school) http://www.tacticalresponse.com/. Maybe its cause they were pushed and shot many rounds off in a short period of time. All I know is the glock, various 1911,s and hi powers of various makes had no issues and ran without a hiccup.

When I squeeze the trigger the gun better go bang, not have a failure to fire or whatever. When it comes to guns everyone is opinionated just the same as they are with cars, quads or whatever. Unless you have practical experience and have the issues I describe happen to you you can think otherwise. Course when it counts and malfunctions it would really suck if it was a deadly situation where it was gonna count.


I don’t know about that there CJM
I have several Ruger pistols and I have had all 3 for 20+ years. One is a sectary six in a .357 that I can hit a one gallon can at 100 yards 5 out of six times. I never had a miss fire or any problem with it. This gun has had at least 20,000 rounds shot through it and it still shoots like new.
Next is my Ruger Mark II .22 that has had more rounds shoot through it then the .357 and it still shoots like new. Again never had a problem with it.

Then the single six in a .22-.22 mag. same thing no problems at all.

The only thing I can say is I bought my brother a Ruger .22 air gun and I was not impressed with it at all. Very bulky and not a very good finish on it,
Could be the quality has gone down over the years since all of my Rugers were bought 20+ years ago.


I don't know how they compair to a Glock, i never had one.

[CJM]

I should clarify, its mostly the automatics and not the revolvers (which are good), the Mark series is also totally unchanged pretty much since it began.

A ruger isnt bad per say, but it is not built super well. This mostly applies to the automatics they make, the mini14/30 and a few others. Compare them to a glock which can literally be beaten around like an AK and there is no real comparison.

[slightlybent47]

Well I only have had exposure to a few of there models so I can only go by that.
I like the security six and the mark II so much that I would like two more of the same.

[CJM]

Im a huge fan of the mark series, the security six is fun too :)

[slightlybent47]

If you want to be impressed with quality and costumer service then check out a Henry leaver gun.
I have 3 and every one is top quality in craftsmanship, and there costumer service can’t be beat.

100% American made.

[slightlybent47]

In fact I like the henrys so well I am haveing one custom engraved for my nephew that’s in the army. I thought I would give it to him for his service to our country.

[ZeroLogic]

Originally posted by slightlybent47
If you want to be impressed with quality and costumer service then check out a Henry leaver gun.
I have 3 and every one is top quality in craftsmanship, and there costumer service can’t be beat.

100% American made.

I'd take a Marlin or Winchester over them any day.:o

[slightlybent47]

I have a Winchester lever gun and while it’s very good it’s not a Henry. (It’s very close though!) Maybe there some better Winchesters out there then the one I have.

[buck440]

i think anybody can agree that an actual beretta m9, or a 1911 is as good as it gets. may not be as light as a glock or as powerful as a .44 mag but they are solid steel guns which have been around since ww1 i believe and beretta has been around hundreds of years. i like glocks because they are compact, tough, and many calibers to choose from but if i had 1 gun to last a lifetime i would choose beretta.

every gun has its own uses.

[CJM]

the beretta M9 is a pos, the locking,lugs and slides often crack and break.

I must note, my views are on a weapon as if it were my only life line and defending myself with it, I dont view shooting as a casual, fun endeavor really.

[slightlybent47]

Yeah I agree.
Like our quads they all have there uses.

With a weapon the first thing is:
Will it work?
Will it work every time?
Is it accurate?
Will it do the job?
Will it hold enough ammo to finish the job?
How long will it last?

Everything is just bells and whistles.

[CJM]

That list of characteristics is what I believe in, In pretty much the same order.

Gun must go bang EVERY time, if it doesnt I try and fix it and if it still gives issues its gone.

[buck440]

Originally posted by CJM
the beretta M9 is a pos,

you know what they say about opinions;)

[CJM]

Originally posted by buck440
you know what they say about opinions;)

The slide cracking and the locking lugs cracking is a major problem bud. It means the pistol is dangerous as it can kaboom in your face!

[buck440]

sounds like a rumor
http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/true_story_m9.htm

it had problems in testing but can't you say that about every single gun. just flat out say beretta m9, a gun company that has been around 500 years is a pos is crazy. you sound kinda biased by your post's, except for hi point which can burn in hellz:macho

[CJM]

Biased, yes Ill agree to that. Like I said, I buy a gun it better go boom everytime, if not its a pos. Beretta, ruger and springfield XD all fit the "no go boom" problem.

its kinda like cars, those people who are mechanics of work on cars alot know to run away as fast as possible from certain manufacturers and happily fork over the cash for others.

cant please everyone tho.

[buck440]

as long as your biased ill ignore your bs lol.

[ben300]

Originally posted by CJM
I should clarify, its mostly the automatics and not the revolvers (which are good), the Mark series is also totally unchanged pretty much since it began.

A ruger isnt bad per say, but it is not built super well. This mostly applies to the automatics they make, the mini14/30 and a few others. Compare them to a glock which can literally be beaten around like an AK and there is no real comparison.


i was gonna say, we sell a fair ammount of the m77 rifles and i can vouch for them, that they are a finely built rifle.

i also agree with the revolvers, but it is pretty hard to **** up a revolver

[ben300]

Originally posted by buck440
i think anybody can agree that an actual beretta m9, or a 1911 is as good as it gets. may not be as light as a glock or as powerful as a .44 mag but they are solid steel guns which have been around since ww1 i believe and beretta has been around hundreds of years. i like glocks because they are compact, tough, and many calibers to choose from but if i had 1 gun to last a lifetime i would choose beretta.

every gun has its own uses.

i have two beretta 96's, and ill agree that they are very reliable, and accurate, however, fit and feel wise, i do not believe for myself, that i shoot them as good as the two glocks i own

[slightlybent47]

I bought my mother a Taurus Millennium Pro 9mm to keep buy her bed. She decided she didn’t want it so I use it now.
It seems to be well made and it functions fine, but I defiantly don’t like the trigger set up on it.
It has no hammer so there is no tension on the firing pin until you pull the trigger back. It shoots like a double action revolver with out cocking it first. This makes it hard to shoot accurately. Definitely not a target pistol.

[reptikes]

Originally posted by CJM
Biased, yes Ill agree to that. Like I said, I buy a gun it better go boom everytime, if not its a pos. Beretta, ruger and springfield XD all fit the "no go boom" problem.

its kinda like cars, those people who are mechanics of work on cars alot know to run away as fast as possible from certain manufacturers and happily fork over the cash for others.

cant please everyone tho.


Sounds like your a Glock nut hugger.

I have a P95 that i have never had a problem. I would rather have my XDM in a real life situation still.

I can/HAVE let off 6-8 hundred rds in a sitting and never had a single problem with my XDM. The same torture test as the glock and passes with flying colors.

Funny thing is. You can watch a clip on TRU TV of a cop who has her Glock jam on her when firing on a suspect! So much for your (go bang every time theory) huh!

[TheIceMan]

It doesn't matter what brand of weapon,they all have/had issues, I do wonder though, how many were user error?? (like monkeying with springs,recoil buffers,hot reloads,etc).Had a Beretta 92fs,I lost count of the thousands of rounds put through it,0 problems. Had a XD,it was okay,just couldn't get used to the trigger for some reason.
Anyhow,here's another added to the collection.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Vinmaster/G23.jpg

[NED441SUZ]

Originally posted by TNRHINO
Buck440 nice stipple job. Did you do it or someone do it for you. Here is a pic of my AR. Since the pic i have added a red dot and vfg to it.


http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt333/TNRHINO/029.jpg
Nice weapon! I like the M+P line of AR's as well.

[NED441SUZ]

As far as pistols. I say HK, Glock, or a quality 1911 style.

[fasterblaster09]

Looking to purchase my first handgun also. I am budgeting myself to $300. Found a ruger p94 in .40, just trying to talk myself into spending the $325 he wants instead of the $300 I want :o I was really hoping for something in 9mm, since I would like to attend the range as often as possible to get used to it and the ammo is cheaper (so I've been told). But I guess I get what I can..

http://bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45115

opinions??

[CJM]

glock.

[rpfeifer11]

I just picked up a AR15 a few weeks ago. got a scope and red dot for it today.

[woodsracer144]

Id like a 1911really bad. Then a 44 or 45

[One_Bad_400]

anyone ever tried this TulAmmo .223 steel case from walmart? I picked up a box of 20 tonight to see if they are any good. For $4.97 a box i figured if it was junk i would just move on. but for that cheap its worth a try.

[woodsracer144]

I've always just shot the crappy wolf hollow points. after i get done building my 330 im going to buy a huge bulk of ammo for my AK...

[slightlybent47]

Originally posted by fasterblaster09
Looking to purchase my first handgun also. I am budgeting myself to $300. Found a ruger p94 in .40, just trying to talk myself into spending the $325 he wants instead of the $300 I want :o I was really hoping for something in 9mm, since I would like to attend the range as often as possible to get used to it and the ammo is cheaper (so I've been told). But I guess I get what I can..

http://bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45115

opinions??

Big guns are fun and very good for protection but a .22 is much cheaper to buy and shoot. And since it will be your first gun you can afford to shoot it a lot, and get familiar and comfortable with it before moving on to a larger caliber.
And if you chose a semi auto then it’s real easy to burn through a lot of ammo so the .22 will save you a lot of money.
With a light recoil it’s easy to get use to shooting and not flinching like a lot of people do when shooting large cal. guns, especially a new shooter.
And believe it or not more people have been killed with a .22 then any other caliber so it will work for home defense though the best home defense weapon is the old trusty shotgun.

Also since you’re new to shooting you probably don’t know how hard and expensive some caliber ammo can be to get. So do some research before you chose what you need.

[standardryder]

Originally posted by One_Bad_400
anyone ever tried this TulAmmo .223 steel case from walmart? I picked up a box of 20 tonight to see if they are any good. For $4.97 a box i figured if it was junk i would just move on. but for that cheap its worth a try.

I've heard they're similar to wolf, I will NEVER buy wolf ammo again.

[ZeroLogic]

I wouldn't shoot wolf ammo.:chinese:

[CJM]

Wolf ammo is fine in things liek AK's, but other guns like AR's dont like it since it will clog up everything b/c its steel coated with a polymer lubricant that melts the more you fire and get the gun hot.

[ZeroLogic]

Originally posted by CJM
Wolf ammo is fine in things liek AK's, but other guns like AR's dont like it since it will clog up everything b/c its steel coated with a polymer lubricant that melts the more you fire and get the gun hot.

That and, cheap powder is dirty powder .

[One_Bad_400]

what about the zinc plated steel cases?

[CJM]

Originally posted by One_Bad_400
what about the zinc plates steel cases?

Hard to say. I dont run an AR but wolf anything digests fine in the AK's Ive used. I shoot 7.62 usually and the ammos always good-dont use wolf.

[ZeroLogic]

Originally posted by One_Bad_400
what about the zinc plates steel cases?
Steel do not expand tight in the chamber like brass does and causes jamming. Also steel is hard, thus harder on the rifle. They use brass for a reason.:p

[JRN2786]

I will never use coated ammo like WOLF again. I had a SKS and the lacquer or whatever sticks to the chamber and i got a round stuck in there. Ended up selling it cause i couldnt beat it out. Guy at gun shop finally got the round out after drilling a small hole to get powder out and beating it with a hammer. but thats just my experience. Now i have 2 AR-15s and will never buy another SKS, AK, or WOLF AMMO its not worth cheaping out on ammo and destroying a good gun. BTW i did clean the rifle every time after i went shooting.

[97blaster200]

just bought a springfield xd-40 to add to small collection. should be picking it up soon. just waiting on the permits for new jersey :(

[buck440]

i ran wolf military classic in my ar and shot 1000 rds in 2 days and only a couple stuck but i pulled the charging handle hard and it came out. most wolf steel case ammo is laquor coated to keep it from rusting and it can melt in the chamber causing it to jam. metal case ammo also causes jamming because when fired some powder goes between the case and chamber because steel doesn't expand like brass does to seal it. it's hit or miss with steel case ammo, but if your shooting trash out in the country...i do...us steel case.

[One_Bad_400]

My pregnant G/F with my AR in the backyard..... this could get ugly fast....... :bandit:

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/1328/18969510150212986373712.jpg

[NacsMXer]

Originally posted by One_Bad_400
My pregnant G/F with my AR in the backyard..... this could get ugly fast....... :bandit:

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/1328/18969510150212986373712.jpg

Is that one of those golf ball launchers on the muzzle? :p

[One_Bad_400]

yep, its the only way i'll play golf :macho thats all i'll let her shoot because its little to no recoil and quiet. lol