A Marine's letter to Dad

[nat3060]

Dear Dad,

A funny thing happened to me yesterday at Camp Bondsteel (Bosnia):
A French army officer walked up to me in the PX, and told me he thought we
(Americans) were a bunch of cowboys and were going to provoke a war
in Iraq. He said if such a thing happens, we wouldn't be able to count
on the support of France. I told him that it didn't surprise me. Since we
had come to France's rescue in World War I, World War II, Vietnam, and
the Cold War, their ingratitude and jealousy was due to surface at some
point in the near future anyway.

I also told him that is why France is a third-rate military power
with a socialist economy and a bunch of ****** for soldiers. I additionally
told him that America, being a nation of deeds and action, not words,
would do whatever it had to do, and France's support was only for show anyway.
Just like in ALL NATO exercises, the US would shoulder 85% of the burden, as
evidenced by the fact that this French officer was shopping in the
American PX, and not the other way around.

He began to get belligerent at that point, and I told him if he would
like to, I would meet him outside in front of the Burger King and whip his
*** in front of the entire Multi-National Brigade East, thus
demonstrating that even the smallest American had more fight in him than the
average Frenchman.

He called me a barbarian cowboy and walked away in a huff. With friends
like these, who needs enemies?

Tell Mom I love her,

Your loving daughter
Mary Beth Johnson LtCol,
USMC

[Pappy]

lol....SHE told him:devil

[killed300ex]

thats great lol
killed

[Ben]

A foriegn policy of unilateralism is a dangerous one indeed :o We cannot afford to offend the entire rest of the world - it is bad policy and will come back to bite us one of these days. We are the most powerful country in the world but that is no excuse to run roughshod over everyone else ;)

[Doibugu2]

One of the owners of the company I work for is French and is very proud of his background. I forwarred this on to a couple people here at work, I sure hope I don't get fired!

[DantheEXman]

Thats pretty funny... Good job.:p

[airheadedduner]

.......:D :p

[Guy400]

That's great:D The media is blowing this whole unilateralism out of proportion. The U.S. is not alone in this. Britain said today that they'll go with the U.S. whether or not there's a UN resolution. In addition to them, Australia already has troops in the Middle East to help us. Italy, Spain, almost all the Eastern European block, Turkey, Israel, Denmark and a host of other countries have already signed a petition stating their support of the U.S.'s use of force in Iraq. We're not alone in this but the media loves to talk about France and Russia and ignores all those who actually support our stance. My question is this, who in the h3ll is France to be dictating global policies? They're the first ones to criticize us when we do something yet they're the first ones to call us when things start to go bad for them. They love to second guess us until it's their ***** in the fryer and then suddenly it's "all hail the might of the United States". And Russia, they're only interested in keeping Saddam around because they made a deal with him and the end result is that he owes Russia over $6 billion. If we get rid of Saddam than Russia loses that money. And here's the irony, Russia is so worried about the money that Iraq owes them but what about the money we gave them to save their economy in the late-80's/early-90's? They're awfully willing to collect money that's owed to them but they surely aren't in that big of a rush to pay us back.

I'm not some reckless cowboy who wants to start a war with everyone that's weaker than us but I'm tired of all these countries that want to question our policies and talk $h!t in UN meetings when the only reason they're able to survive is because we supply them with billions of dollars in foreign aid, be it cash, food, oil, etc. Our money is good enough for them to keep them alive but when we need support because our national security is being threatened they're no supporters of ours.

[Pappy]

its all bull****......damn middleeasterners wanna yank our chain over oil....and are breeding religous zealots that wanna die for allah....

the koreans aint gettin the attention dumbgook kim illjon (:huh ) wants so he gets pissy and starts up thier nuclear program again....

the russians are broke so they can kiss my arse......same with the french....worthless nation if i ever saw one


the brits aint gotta choice but back us.....a gang of rogue pigmys could take that island over in a week:scary:

australia is cool.....but they just wanna fight:macho

africans are dieing left and right from aids and starvation( i think they ate sally struthers...i aint seen here in awhile)

damn...is there anything good happenin in this world nemore:confused:

[flyin#5]

well said Guy! its pretty pathetic what some of these countries do. and we watched this thing in world civ and i showed the opinions of americans from acctual normal ppl from different countrys and most of them had bad stuff to say and thought we ate at mcdonalds everyday and our lives were like jerry springers show:huh

[Tommy 17]

amen pappy...

i saw shoot them now and sort the bodies out later...

[Guy400]

This whole topic gets my blood boiling. They're in violation of the Geneva Convention as we speak. They're placing military hardware and troops in civilian areas (rocket launchers on top of apartment buildings, etc.). That way if we bomb that particular installation we potentally kill innocent Iraqi citizens and then they can scream we're killing their people aimlessly. And there's talk that Saddam will turn his military against his own people (which he's done in the past) on any area that we attack to make it look like we're murdering his people as well as his military.

[Castor-426ex]

Sally Struthers ****!! WTF happened To Geraldo!!!



:D :D :D

[Pappy]

i still say make 'em glow in the dark. there aint one rag over there worth one american soldiers life.

but...i think if we go back and wipe them out....the koreans may take a different stand. but who knows...the north koreans leader is a wack job.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Castor-400ex
WTF happened To Geraldo!!!
:D :D :D

he was last seen with a bucket in one hand...leading a camel behind a tent:confused2

[Ben]

There is no doubt that Sadam is a truly evil person - who should have been dealt with during the Gulf War. The fact is, though, that North Korea and its leader, poses a much greater problem to the world and the United States - with its existing nuclear weapons and huge army. Iraq is an easy target with a weak army, Bush is trying to finish what his father started, the presidential election is coming up, and don't forget about the oil fields over there - I am sure the oilmen millionares in our adminstration haven't. :o

Sadam is very bad news but I firmly believe that Bush is sending us to war by playing on Americans' fears. If he wants to focus on a real threat he should try on the much more powerful, much more evil, nuclear weapon holding, huge army backed North Korea that actually poses a real threat to global security. But there are no oil fields in Korea and they would actually put up a real fight. There is no doubt Sadam is evil and should be removed - but the motives and methods Bush is using leave much to be desired. :rolleyes:

There are evil people are over the world - including many in our own country (ex. Timothy McVey), there is no need to classify a whole race of people (Arabs) as evil or bad people - they are just different than us - not better, not worse. Diversity is a good thing :)

[airheadedduner]

I think the US needs to stop worrying about war and crap like that for now and take some time and concentrate on problems here at home. The ecconomy is crap right now and getting worse. One of my friends lives in Portland, OR, biggest city in OR. He has been there for 5 months and can't get a job. Unemployment is around 7% over here right now. Even the college I go to is having to cut programs left and right as all the high school are having to do. At the moment there is hardly any accredited schools in OR, meaning unless you have letters of recomedation or show extremely good accademic standings you cannot get into a 4 year university. I think we have bigger probs to worry about then some crazy A-rabs.

[Ben]

I agree Airhead - there are certainly big problems here at home that need to be dealt with first. Education reforum should be at the top of our list in my opinion because without the availability of a great public education our country will go down hill. The reality is, however, that a war would have an added benefit for Bush of taking people's minds off the domestic problems during the upcoming election. :rolleyes:

[250rpilot]

im with pappy:devil

[KrazyKid300ex]

Originally posted by Ben
A foriegn policy of unilateralism is a dangerous one indeed :o We cannot afford to offend the entire rest of the world - it is bad policy and will come back to bite us one of these days. We are the most powerful country in the world but that is no excuse to run roughshod over everyone else ;)

when it comes to nuclear idk. it takes 12 nulcear bombsto destroy the earth

[DEAL]

Thanks to bush and his grudges, and his ways of "war" hes going to get the us blasted off the face of the earth and unfortunitly canada is gonna go with it, Bush does not have the maturity or right mind to be president, Not saying our leader is much better but I totally lost any respect i have for bush after this whole war on iraq, I know how you people like war so much but i don't feel like suffering because of your president's stupidity. Hes just starting to realize right now the bucket of **** he got his nose into now, and if he was smart he will back out while he still can and there are parts of his country left.
I know how "patriotic" you americans are (nothin against you i love my country too) but if you know whats good for you you will do everything you possibly can to make bush change his mind because i will tell you right now, The number of people that were taken from your country on september 11th will be only a tiny fraction of the lifes that will be lost if you guys go to war.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Ben
there is no need to classify a whole race of people (Arabs) as evil or bad people - they are just different than us - not better, not worse.

sorry ben...but my political correctness went down in a cloud of dust...september 11th

[JUSTINcredible]

I say we make Iraq our 51st state

[Ben]

Originally posted by Pappy
sorry ben...but my political correctness went down in a cloud of dust...september 11th

How about the Oklahoma City bombing - perpetrated by an American? ;) I am sure McVey would have happily flown a plane into the World Trade Center if he had been given the opportunity.

Just because we were attacked on September 11 doesn't mean we should punish Arab-American citizens of our country by being racist against them. The main strategy of Osama was to destroy the thing that makes America truly great - our civil liberties. By discriminating against minority Americans, such as Arabs or Koreans, we are falling right into his trap. ;)

[DEAL]

Saddam doesn't give a rats *** about his country, He just starts a war then sits back and watches innocent people die because of his mouth.
Ben is right, We should not discrimonate against Arabs in our countries because there is a good chance they are totally against what Saddam and some select people in the middle east are doing too. Thats probably why most of them are living on the other side of the world.

[12gofast]

Ben maybe you need to visit the middle east....maybe even take up residence. Pay attention to what is going on with Korea....THEY ARE NEXT!!!!

And Freestyle.....Canada is for chicken sht defectors like Clinton who allowed this mess to fester!!
IMO The US should just take Canada and bring them into the present instead of 100 years in the past. Canadas answer for a dollar....A LOONEY:devil :blah

Im with Pappy

[Ben]

Originally posted by 12gofast
Ben maybe you need to visit the middle east....maybe even take up residence. Pay attention to what is going on with Korea....THEY ARE NEXT!!!!

And Freestyle.....Canada is for chicken sht defectors like Clinton who allowed this mess to fester!!
IMO The US should just take Canada and bring them into the present instead of 100 years in the past. Canadas answer for a dollar....A LOONEY:devil :blah

Im with Pappy

Way to reinforce the idea that West Virginia is a completely redneck state :rolleyes: Your thoughts are so incoherent that I won't respond. Its like bringing a knife to a gunfight :p

[12gofast]

When you lose a really close friend due to some freak disease he aquired while fighting in desert storm or a realative in a terrorist attack maybe your opinion will change

[Guy400]

Originally posted by FreeStylexrider
Thanks to bush and his grudges, and his ways of "war" hes going to get the us blasted off the face of the earth and unfortunitly canada is gonna go with it, Bush does not have the maturity or right mind to be president, Not saying our leader is much better but I totally lost any respect i have for bush after this whole war on iraq, I know how you people like war so much but i don't feel like suffering because of your president's stupidity. Hes just starting to realize right now the bucket of **** he got his nose into now, and if he was smart he will back out while he still can and there are parts of his country left.
I know how "patriotic" you americans are (nothin against you i love my country too) but if you know whats good for you you will do everything you possibly can to make bush change his mind because i will tell you right now, The number of people that were taken from your country on september 11th will be only a tiny fraction of the lifes that will be lost if you guys go to war. You may not like war and you may be afraid of it but it's a reality we have to face. Backing out right now would be the worst possible thing we could do. Yes it may cost us more lives to go to war but the end result is what we're aiming for. Surrendering to Germany in WWII would have saved tens of thousands of American lives but what good would that have done? We'd be speaking German under Hitler's rule. Allowing this whack-job to produce anthrax, ricin, and other chemical and biological weapon agents is a terrible idea. Here's a news flash. If we go to war with him he's going to try and use them. If we don't go to war with him he's going to have the opportunity to make even more of it and use it on us or our allies anyway. You have to choose the lesser of two evils here. There comes a point in time where you've got to put your foot down and we've reached that point with Iraq. Several nations want to cry about us attacking Iraq right now but 5 years from now when the threat has been eliminated they'll be rejoicing. It's like those pansies in highschool. When the bully was beating people up they were too afraid to stand up for themselves for fear of getting a black eye. But, when someone else steps up and gets rid of the problem they cheer as if they'd done the work themselves.

The time for diplomacy is over. If Saddam was truly interested in a diplomatic solution he could have just fessed up and turned over his weapons of mass destruction. Does anyone really believe Iraq isn't up to something when they're actively seeking nuclear technologies? Saddam has already proven he's got chemical weapons and he's used them on his own people to the north (the Kurds). When the weapons inspectors asked him what he did with the rest of it Iraq's answer was "we got rid of it." When they asked him how did you get rid of it and where's the paperwork they replied with "we don't know how we got rid of it and we apparently lost the paperwork." Come on, Iraq just disposed of it's chemical weapons but doesn't know how they did it?

[Ben]

Does a cousin in the Federal Building bombing in Oklahoma City count?

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Ben
How about the Oklahoma City bombing - perpetrated by an American? ;) I

timothy mcvey acted as a soldier fighting a battle he knew he couldnt win...using tactics that had the most impact(terrorist) the acts that the federal government perpetrated on the civilians at waco and then again at ruby ridge led mcvey to his actions. these types of actions were a daily occurance in the american revolution...yet we call them patriots.(i dont like what that moron (mcvey) did either) but history may see it different 150 years from now.

i dont condone any of these acts.....but when u talk to arabic americans you get a whole new picture on what they think of this country.

im not racist by far...but if the majority of the stuff i see on tv is a certain ethnic group spitting on my country....causing my country to lose lives...they will get what they deserve...period. i will sit and eat popcorn as i watch the bombs fall on baghdad and cheer it on. we left alot of unfinished business on the battlefield and now its time to rid this world of these crimnals. if it takes my life to do it...then so be it. i honestly think the USA is on a mission...and iraq is the first stop. there will be body bags comin in to dover air force base of soldiers that died fighting for the freedom that you and i enjoy everday of our lives.....so yes its time.....america...love it or leave it!!!!

(nothin personal....its time to vent here)

the us government has the proof it needs to wipe iraq and other nations out....and they will. they arent gonna let anyone slide this time. and as far as an election....i wouldnt bank on it being a booster for bush. americans tend to be a lil weak sided when our soldiers come home in bags. it can work both ways.

its sick...but IMO...1/2 the people against this war would be behind it if ya told them gas was gonna drop to 90 cents a gallon afterwards...sick uh?

[DEAL]

Well alteast clinton is smart enough to keep his country from getting bombed, If you read up about what is going on in the world you will know you guys have a serious problem right now and most of it stems back to your president, Who is abusing his powers.
Korea has nuclear weapons and chances are if they are with iraq there won't be a usa or Canada for that matter anymore.
Bush is going to be the end of the world. And those who are suporting him in his choice to go to war need to REALLY wake up and think long and hard about what will happen.
If your country didn't spend billions of dollars in making weapons of mass destruction they could probably have a decent health care system that would be helping people , NOT killing them like these weapons are going to.
Canada is for Chickens EH?
Canada has more peace keepers than soliders... (Sp?) which will actaully help the world ALOT more than an army with nukes is going to.
Think about it , I am by no means a "hippy or tree hugger" but i enjoy my life and and not going to be killed by some man who was givin the most powerful position in the world and wasn't smart enough to make the right decisions when it comes to war.
And the Arabs in that country have no choice but to support Saddam. Unlike the u.s they don't have a choice on who their leader is. And you can't hold that against them, I mean i know alot of them would much rather live elsewhere and not in a country that is on the brink of a war that will probably kill most of them even if they don't support it or are fighting for their country.

[Pappy]

lets see here freestyle....

clinton had the chance on 3 occasions to have osama handed to him on a silver platter

clintons cut backs and spinless rule led to many an american dying needlessly in places like somalia

bush isnt a war monger.....but sept 11th changed that. noone i know of wants to die...but somethings are worth dying for. id lay down my life in a heartbeat to protect this nation. and as far as the peacekeepers? wtf did they do in bosnia? the genocide that took place there happened while nato was supposedly keeping the ruling factions in check:huh

[250rpilot]

freestylexrider... i absolutely do not speak for anyone else on this site, but this is my opinion. if i see an arab walking down the street, i keep my eye on him. fif i see one driving a cab, i keep my eye on him. the wormy little ba$tards weasel their way into our everyday life, then kill thousands of us. why should i not want to rid the world of the maggots??? i dont trust anyone until they prove themselves to me. be it arabs, asians, rednecks, hillbillys, yankees, whoever. just some people i find it so hard to trust, i would rather see them dead than try.

call me what you will, but im not afraid to speak my mind

[Castor-426ex]

its a crock of siberian monkey **** is what it is....

i guess everyone will think different if youre awakened in the middle of the night by the sound of a nuclear explosion...and then as the shockwave wipes out your city...and your last thoughts and memories leave your mind, and you prepare yourself for God....will you question the USA and its motives for justice then??....or suppose you live...and watch the news as it happens to my town? or someone elses.....Be it North Korea, or Iraq...We know What Hussein will do if we give him slack....
North Korea wouldnt last as long as youd think if we opened a bucket of whoop *** on em...they are too dependant..first thing we would hit would be their nuke facilities...

i say its time to take this crap down....its go time...either youre with us....or youre too damned scared and aint got the sack to protect the world for your children

[12gofast]

Pappy is right on with the gas issue.....and I agree with a lot he has to say.
But I have already stuck my foot in my mouth and I will say no more.

My apologies I will keep my opinions to myself

[250rpilot]

if it is my town that is hit with that one nuke that they could launch before we blew them off the face of the earth, so be it, i am willing to die for the good of the nation.

[Pappy]

i agree castor....

with todays technology alone...the USA stand extremely vulnerable to a myriad of destructive devices...ICBM's...back back nukes....chemical and biological weapons.

i say do it now.....go after every country or regime that decides it wants war or to destroy other nations. yes i realize what i just said...but there isnt a single other super power able to do it....and will never be again.

korea is a pile of chit. they should have let mcarthur walk straight to the yaloo river and piss on china. dammit...every time this country is on the verge of really doing something that will or would have a positive impact on the worlds future ...we stop short.

i tell ya one thing...if JFK were president...irag would be the worlds largest glass monument:macho

[flyin#5]

we should just hire the mafia and take suddam out! then get and exrider gang on quads in the middle east deserts to take out the rag heads!:devil

[Ben]

I have work to do so this will be the last time I respond tonight, and it will be short.

Just because I don't think the United States should build an empire, such as Britain and France and Spain did, does not mean I am not patriotic. That is the oldest line in the book in response to someone who doesn't support an unjust war. I would die to protect our country, and our civil liberties, but remember that if the day ever comes that we are called upon to defend our civil liberties - they will have most likely already been stolen out from under us.

Bush has a lot of money tied up in oil, and you know the old saying that you aren't going to choose morals, religion, or politics over your own wealth ;) Clinton was far from perfect but he at least understood that our country cannot have a long term powerful economic stance by strong arming every other country on earth - which is exactly what is going on here.

250rpilot - I hope you realize that many anti-atv legislators look at you on your ATV in the same way you look at Arabs. By perpetuating the fear of minorities in this country your actions can empower those who wish to regulate you and take your atvs away ;)

[Castor-426ex]

we arent building an empire...we are protecting our homeland....its called preventive maintenance

[Guy400]

Well Clinton was just on Larry King the other night and he said he agrees with Bush on his stance with Iraq 100%. Here's another Clinton tidbit, several years ago when North Korea threatened to reactivate it's nuclear facilities he told them that we will make a preemptive strike to disable that facility. I am NO fan of Clinton either but at least he threatened the use of force. Your love of peace is respectable and I wish wars were not necessary but the simple fact of the matter is that they are. When Genghis Khan was marching through Asia diplomacy didn't work. There wasn't a U.N. meeting that stopped him. When Hitler was doing whatever he pleased in Europe diplomacy didn't end it either. You think talking it through with Saddam will stop him?

You love your country as we do. Was that land just given to you for free? There were times in your county's history where you had to fight to preserve that freedom. Is Canada a war-mongering state because of that? The trouble is, people want the U.S. to take care of countries like Iraq but they want to sit and play Switzerland that way they can choose which side they want to be on at the end of the day. If we win they'll say "good job, we were behind you all the way" and if we lose they'll sit there and say "see, told you so..." It's really a no win situation for us.

And while I'm at it:D (this isn't directed at anyone). It is naive to think that our economic problems are solely the result of Bush's domestic policies. We were entering a recession as Clinton was leaving and 9-11 did nothing to bolster our economy. An area of our economy that bugs me to no end is our welfare system. Everyday thousands of Cuban and Mexican immigrants come into our country illegally. They come here illegally and when they get pregnant the child is automatically a U.S. citizen and gets medical treatment under our welfare system. Do you know how much money that costs us every year to take care of babies that were born here illegally? I don't want to see children die but enough is enough. You come here illegally and get pregnant and then you expect us to pay for it?? Bush certainly carries some of the blame as well so I'm not trying to get him off the hook.

And before I'm done. This war has little to do with oil. If we wanted their oil we'd just go take it. Show me one military action in the Middle East where we marched in, defeated the enemy, and claimed their oil wells for our own--we haven't, period. We've got enough of our own oil but the PETA people and others won't allow us to use that land for oil exploration but they still b!tch about our dependancy on foreign oil.

[Rastus]

Every Canadaian I've ever talked too says we do everything wrong.That america is dumb.

Well, backing out of this is dumb. He has ties with Al-Qaeda, and who knows what other group of wack-O's. He's in material breech of about everything.They have photographic evidence,tape evidence.They've got all of the reasons why to take him out.

Iraq is an easier target right now, and easier to take down.If we would take North Korea now, our economy would be real bad.How bad is the Economy now? Not bad as it could be. We need to have a good economy, then we can take on North Korea....they're next.


If you read up on World News, you would know that Mr.Bush has already said that North Korea is next on the list. He also said that anyone using such weapons will wish they didn't. I don't know what your worried about....most likely they won't hit around or close.If they did Launch, you know as well as many others. There would be plenty of our bombs launched back before the first hit.

I'd rather have a President that cares about homeland security, and wants to get these wack-O's out of businness.
Than some Canadian president, whom I've never seen or heard of.

I highly doubt they'll launch weapons. I'm not worried about the countries, I'm worried about the terrorist organizations who will pay anything for one bomb.

One bomb,or chemical compound I'm sure Iraq would sell them.

You see, if we back out now, we won't have solved anything. We need to get rid of these people, and people like them. So I don't have to worry about someone hiding a nuke in a cigarette machine. Just to show some Americans that they think they're superior.

I will not be silenced in saying this crap needs to be stopped. Your kids shouldn't have to grow up being worried about weapons, and chemical weapons. Life should be simple, and anyone who threatens our lives through terrorism,chemical weapons, and such like should be dealt with accordingly.

Sorry for ranting...

[DEAL]

I honestly feel bad for the innocent people in Iraq , Saddam is truly sick in the head , People in his country get no education other than military school which teaches them to hate the u.s.
Women aren't aloud to be anything but house wifes and slaves.
I know that alot of the people in that country would take a way out if they had one, But unfortunitly because of their leader they are not given that opportunity.
Understand that just because they are from the middle east that doesn't them ALL bad people.

And guys , If i die from nukes i will not be dieing for MY country , I will be dieing for YOUR country, And since I don't live there I honestly do not feel the the same amount of partriotism (Sp? if thats even a word) towards your country as you do.
I have NOTHING against the U.s, Despite the amount of **** that is said to me by some of the people on this site because I live in Canada.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Ben

Just because I don't think the United States should build an empire, such as Britain and France and Spain did, does not mean I am not patriotic. )

build an empire? c'mon...you are an educated person. when ww2 ended we rebuilt japan and they drove us to the brink of depression in the 70's

we have given trillions of dollars in aid to every country in this world. i cant belive you even made that statement. if we wanted to keep the land we have conqured in battle...we would be suning ourselves in many a country....with topless beaches to boot

and what exactly did clinton do the 8 years he was in office? economists have been trying to decipher exactly what ramifacations his term in office are still having on todays economy:huh sure you can look good by closing the federal government and telling the american people that we dont have the money to run it....only to restart it...give all gov't workers a cost of living raise plus....

cut the military so that 3/4 of our soldiers are on foodstamps....

i think the average cost to every living american to run the country's budget is roughly $7000 a person. that aint much....but no matter who is in charge it could be run better and more efficient.

[Guy400]

First off, I think North Korea is just making a bunch of noise and they'll back down when push comes to shove (like they did 5 years ago). Secondly, if something does happen it will be Korea's worst mistake. None of their nukes can reach U.S. soil. They could toss them at China and Japan but not much further. If they attacked either of those two countries (who are seemingly uninvolved) they'd drag the rest of the world in against them and they're screwed. They say they've got 1 million troops. What are they going to do, march them across the Pacific? Their navy is a joke compared to ours. They'd be lucky to even get halfway across before becoming an underwater hotel for the marine life. The only threat Korea has is their nuclear facility. A couple of precision strikes and that plant is gone. Then we can talk about them not building another one. Korea's just pissed because we cut off food and oil supplies to them. They demanded more of both and when we told them no they threatened to reactivate the nuclear plant. When they threatened that we cut them off completely. You want our oil, food and money you've got to play by our rules.

[DEAL]

Well Guy , lets hope your right because I don't want my life cut short.

[Guy400]

Originally posted by FreeStylexrider
Well Guy , lets hope your right because I don't want my life cut short. Nobody does but that's a risk we have to take if we want to remain free. None of the soldiers in WWII wanted their lives cut short, Canadian or American, but the time came when we had to stand up to Germany.

[Pappy]

guy is spot on....

;)

[Guy400]

Originally posted by Ben
Bush has a lot of money tied up in oil, and you know the old saying that you aren't going to choose morals, religion, or politics over your own wealth ;)Typical liberal lawyer response:D

lmao.....just trying to lighten the mood in here a little bit.

[Pappy]

sadly to say but there are a ton of people that believe that. i try to avoid the upper class attitudes found in todays minions. there views bore me and few if any have ever served our country.

i dont care who is president.....if they back down ...they lose my vote. the young men who died in the ditchs of france.....the sand of the pacific....the patties of vietnam .....the streets of mogudeshu damn well deserve more.

enough of this crap.....im finding the need to clean my rifle and load magazines

:huh

[JUSTINcredible]

I'd say if Al-queda and saddam have connections and could be selling weapons to al-qeuda then bomb away before somthing like sept. 11 happens again

[AlaskaSpeed]

he says we bomb...

[Pappy]

hey ...that aint wanna them persian cats is thar:mad: lmgdao:blah

[AlaskaSpeed]

Originally posted by Pappy
hey ...that aint wanna them persian cats is thar:mad: lmgdao:blah

LMAO...nope and that jingle bell is really an anti-personel grenade
:eek:

[AlaskaSpeed]

he says we go too...

[AlaskaSpeed]

and yes....Moose says bombs away....

[Pappy]

its not severe enough for the killer thermonuclear moose?:scary: :ermm: :huh :confused2

[Castor-426ex]

I tell you what its not iraq or N korea you need worry about


Its my gas thats the threat....I ate some mean Taco Bell today and I think that Chalupa is about to detonate my left *** cheek into the stratosphere....

You think an ICBM missile is mean....ill fart and wipe st louis off the map


somebody call the epa

[beerock]

:o

politics is such bul****

[Castor-426ex]

bull s h i t you mispelled:D

[jcv400ex]

Pappy and Guy are RIGHT on the spot. Clinton was the biggest POS we've ever had in office...he really messed up this country.

I'm fully backing Bush in the war against terrorism...but 1 thing troubled me...he stated "after we bomb the crap out of them, and yada, yada... the bombs will be followed by food and medical supplies and what have ya." Why? I'm sick and tired of that bull****....why are we rebuilding Iraq after we tear them apart? They support the *******, let them fend for themselves.

And sorry to say, but I do agree with the comments about the American-Arabs...I'll never look at one the same again. Sorry, but I just can't. I guess it goes with the generation though. My grandparents still have trouble with Pearl Harbor....

And I'm sick of everytime I go south for work or vacation...people have a hard time speaking English. Hey, I don't have a problem with people seeking a better life...but don't bring YOUR language and your culture to us! You just ran away from the country...why do we have to respect your choice to keep your native tongue??? You want to come to America for a better life, then you should have to speak English!!! Why the heck we waste money for "Spanish" TV channels is beyond me...

I'm not a racist, but I don't speak Italian nor do I expect a company to pay translators so I can speak Italian so everyone can understand me! JMO.....

[DEAL]

politics is such bul****

Bout it Bee , Bout it.

[Pappy]

i dont mind feeding the people...or helping rebuild a nation. heck...i would say that korea would be like iraq ...with mass surrender. cuz i would hate to see another human wave attack they are so famous for with a vulcan mini gun in the area:devil

[DEAL]

Oh yeah, what about giving them money for weapons and even weapons themselves that are in the end going to be used back against your country.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by FreeStylexrider
Oh yeah, what about giving them money for weapons and even weapons themselves that are in the end going to be used back against your country.

id say supplying weapons to those that want to fight and keep thier freedom is a good thing. but we could always send the canadian army to make sure they dont get outta line...at a huge cost to your national government.

[DEAL]

They don't have Freedom tho! and chances are they never will. Giving most of those countries weapons is like unloading a pile of loaded guns into a mental institution.

Sorry Pappy your a good guy nutin against yah but I disagree with you on this topic.

[Quad18star]

Like it has been said before , I believe hat the you guys ( US government) are getting in over your heads on certain things . Why don't we just set off a bunch of nukes and finish everything off right now ???

I laughed pretty good when in the very first post , there was reference to " dumb frenchman "or soemthing of those lines. You guys wonder why people think so badly about Americans . With comments like that it's hard not too . I'm a French Canadian and da*m proud of it also . Most of you guys like to rag on how us canadians are pu**ies and what not , i'm sorry to say but back during WW2 , my grandfather was blown out of the water defending my country and YOUR country . What about on the beaches of Normandie during WW2 when over ten thousands of Canadians were killed in a matter of hours , you call those soldiers pu**ies for defending my country and YOUR country?? When the World Trade Centers where attacked and Canada was the first to send money and aid , as well as recieve all the Americans getting off airplanes and hold them up in hotels and feed them for the few days they were here , you call that not helping out a neighbouring country?? I have yet to see any money from the US when Canada was going through some of the toughest years when drouts hit our prairies and families where starving to death . Yet when there was forest fires in California and in the southern states we were more than happy to send fire fighters to help out .

Sorry to be ranting on but to me it doesn't seem like Americans care too much or appreciate any of the stuff we do for them . What do you give us in return?? How about killing a few of our soldiers in " friendly fire accidents" and not getting any penalty over it?? What did those American soldiers get? A slap on the wrist while Canadian families got to bury their children .

And whoever said the comment about a Canadian President , open up your books and learn a little more than just American history . It's a Prime Minister not a President .

[Pappy]

none taken....

but the majority of the people in these countries want the same thing we do.....to be left alone. look at afgahnistan....the taliwackers took over that country with weapons we supplied them to fight the russians. we killed the taliban.....

south koreao was armed by us in 1952 and we have been supplying them ever since....they are free....and poised to defend thier freedom every second of everyday.

south vietnam had its chance....but just couldnt get thier act together( i geuss 10 years of war will do that)

arming a population with out a good solid government makes no sense and i fully agree. but at some point....a country needs a boost to get outta the **** they have been in....and the USA seems to be the one always down on one knee given the boost

[DEAL]

Quad18star
Your right on man , I haven't read something in awhile that made that much sence to me as that just did.

[jcv400ex]

Quad18star....don't go there man. The "friendly fire" line was bull**** man....not cool...

[Pappy]

quadstar...check yer figures...10,000 canadians didnt die on juno beach....

i think that canadians should relish the security that comes with being our neighbor.

as far as friendly fire? never heard of such a thing......and its a b!tch but it happens...a bomb doesnt care what color or nationality you are.

do they teach you fellas in canada how inner twined the US and CANADIAN miltary and national security are ? did you know that cheyenne mountain is staffed by canadians also? so that the canadians have the same level of security that the US has towards first warnings of nuclear attack and a stable place to run YOUR country if the chit hits the fan?

i agree...no canadian soldiers should be called any derogatory name. that would be childish and shows a complete lack of any working knowledge of the canadian military.

[Quad18star]

JVC400ex ,
Sorry if it offended you by any chance but it is the truth man . If it would have been the other way around , you would see a few Canadians in jail or something more severe . I just don't agree on how these guys were not punished for what they did .

[-=Skot=-]

not cool? :mad: your damn right it wasen't:( :rolleyes:

[Pappy]

i do believe american soldiers were killed in "friendly fire" accidents also. it was a technological glitch in which the canadian and american units did nit have the proper signaling system on the vehicles they were operating and were targeted by air power. if you hinestly think it was done because they just wanted to kill canadians...you my friend have a serious problem

[Quad18star]

Sorry to say Pappy , but " friendly fire" is not a b*tch that happens . The US military was aware of military excercises that were happening in the area , yet they sent in their man and " accidently" drop a missle . If you haven't heard of such a thing , maybe it's because your government doesn't want you to hear about it . It was in the news for months after it happened and just recently the case was settled and the soldiers got a slap on the wrist for this incident .

Did you know that the radar base in North Bay is the main command center to watch for any military airplanes that might come in from the north as well as any warfare that might be headed towards your country??

[Pappy]

quadstar,,,i honestly believe you have a problem with americans in general....and if so...you can kiss my white american ***. **** happens in a combat zone...have you ever been in one? this is a rediculous argument you have going. and we americans get the scoop....wether its good or bad...we arent censored.

[Rastus]

I never hear anything about a Prime Minister, or any leader of Canada yet. Sorry for bein young, and still learning, sheesh :rolleyes:

American history is just more exciting that Canadian history, plus I haven't took that class yet.


You seem to forget that those pilots were bein shot at by someone, and if you were bein shot at I'm sure you might mistake someone accidentally.Stuff happens.


I'd be willing to bet if Canada got into trouble now, America would help. I have many friends in parts of Canada. If they got attacked, I'm sure all the auto companies, government, and regular people would help/volunteer.

Thing is America is your big brother, and an attack against our neighbor is like an attack against us.


I hate politics :scary: :grr

[Pappy]

btw...north bay is all but obsolete.....thanks to OUR space program and the numerous satelites we have in orbit now. for christ sake...ya wanna just start a friggon war ....we need some more tax money:blah

[Castor-426ex]

i think somebody just got told...:D

[Rastus]

Pappy sounds about right :macho :chinese:

[DEAL]

Within this whole thing I have no problems with Americans, I do disagree with what is happening in your country right now and things that have happend in the past , though I don't think it is right to hold it against every american. Its just like what I was saying about Arabs before, Just because a few of them are ****** up, doesn't mean that is a reason to hold it against all of them.

[Quad18star]

I have no problems with Americans in general . I do trade with Americans on a daily basis and go down to the States atleast twice a year . The people that I have problems with are like the ones that wrote the very first letters . The ones that think that nothing else in the world matters other than the United States of America . Why would you fight a war that is not even yours to fight?? I see what the US government and its people have against Al-Queda for what happened on Sept 11 , and I agree fully on punishing them and the people who support the terrorist groups . But when there is a conflict between two countries and your country is not involved , why stick your nose in it?? Put it this way , if you neighbour and his wife are argueing , do you stick your nose into their business??

Don't get me wrong Pappy , I have nothing against you .But when someone refers to all Frenchman as " dumb" or " pu**ies" or puts down my Country , I do exactly what you do and thats defend myself and my country.

[Pappy]

well thats what americans are all aboot<----:blah

we can talk smack about our country all we want.....when an outsider does it...its cruise missle time;)


you canadians here seem to get all riled up...probly because you are young and full of piss and vinager. dont get pissy i see the same from some of the moron american kids here. but yet when you get older...and your life priorities come to you...you will veiw the US in a very different light.

we aint perfect....but there aint noone comin here to take what we have away from us...garunteed:macho

[Pappy]

i see...so lets say italy decides to come kick the snot out of canada....we will just stay out of it.


like it or not...we are the most powerful..influentail nation on this earth. yep...we are the worlds popo(thats policeman for you fellas) it does suck i agree....but ...if its not stopped in thier rice patties...thier deserts....it will be in main street america. AND THAT MY FRIEND AINT GONNA HAPPEN;)

it would be like a school bully....would you rather have him pickin on you and yer lil sis all day everyday....or would ya want the highschool kid to come the first time he sqaw it happen and knock his arse flat down?

and as far as the neighbor....why yes....i would march next door and tell them to cool it....or its boot in the *** time. my life will be made comfortable at all costs. but my neighbor buys me beer so i tolorate him...a lil:scary:

[Castor-426ex]

hey i eat canadian bacon on a pizza occasionally:D


im a cannibal!!!:eek:


jk

[Quad18star]

You're right Pappy . I'm full of piss and vinegar and I'm not that young . I know what my life priorities are right now also . I might not have kids and a home like you do , but I do have priorites . Would I go to war to defend the freedom of North America if it came down to it ?? Yes i would . But look at it , would you want a war to go down and have each country blow themselves off the face of the earth , or would you rather see your children grow up and have kids and live life to its fullest( if you have kids or not, just a general idea)????

[400EX_n_NC]

well up until today, ive spent a good amount of time each day on this site. but tonight i have logged out twice before i had to log right back on and finish this thread...some of you guys have pissed me off so bad i cant think straight. so i cant make the witty educated points id like to make...not that it will help. some of you guys have watched so much CNN you think you know it all ..only to pick up a book or two and then really think you are THE genius. and to go right along with this, the main ones saying some of this...i would put my paycheck on the line (my low pay, raised only by my "current" commander in chief) that many of you have never ever served your country and know nothing about the thought of your life being cut short. i just came back from that part of the world and know that realization all too well. and will go back in a heart beat. you make such selfish comments about your life being cut short, when there are Marines like myself that go over there on a normal frequency jsut to make sure that you guys see tomorrow. but you live in your little "safe" world and fall in to the childish mindset of "ignore it and it will go away" Pres. Bush is doing what has to be done. noone else will do it, so he is. it amazes me how some of you want to be the expert in all of this and back it up with the fact that your brother-in laws, cousin was in the gulf war and got the syndrome.....well so was a good portion of my family. and guess what? had saddam not been put under such close watch for that war and for the last decade, we may have never seen this coming...so in esence, this crazy Bush family may have just extended your life so that you can even sit here on this site today or go riding this weekend. i know ive wasted my time because you arent going to change your mind just as im not changing mine. BUT..i wanted to put it out there and say thanks to PAPPY!! you see it pretty clearly man. and its knowing you have people like you here that makes my job worthwhile.:(

[Quad18star]

Pappy , is it good canadian beer or that watered down american crap?? LOL sorry man just had to say it :cool:

[Castor-426ex]

ill drink more molson than you can carry:D

[DEAL]

Man, I read too much tonight haha
Canadian beer is the ****!

[Pappy]

i want my kids to grow up in a world of peace....but that aint happening here as of late. id rather die on a battlefield knowing what was happening.......then get taken out by some scumbag terrorist sitting at my desk in my office.

if givin the chance to saddle up and leave tonight and go fight...id be gone. im willing to die for my country...period. i am old school patriotic....call me stupid..dumb..i dont care. i truthfully never expected to live past 30. my lifes ambition was to die fighting for my country. that time has passed...but the feeling that others gave thier lives so that i could have 32 years of wonderful living remains in my thoughts every morning i wake up.

if you didnt grow up in a full blooded military family...i geuss its hard to understand my position. noone wants to die.....but id rather go out swinging then live in fear.

[Pappy]

400ex_n_NC lock and load son...and god bless

[CBRSLIDER]

Quad18star....don't go there man. The "friendly fire" line was bull**** man....not cool...

I'll second that one JCV. I deal with Canadians daily traveling through my area and have yet to meet one that was courteous. They act like we owe them something. Or that I am picking on them for being from Canada. They have a serious disrespect for our laws and act as if I am profiling them.

I just don't get it. I guess that they don't understand that they would not exist if they were not our neighbors. They would have been wiped out by now. But they still have no respect.

I also run into alot of Middle Eastern people coming from Canada. And I unfortunately have to agree with JCV and whoever else said it. I keep an extra eye on them. They along with the others that I mentioned above have been very disrespectable. Infact, I got to see the Canadian Border Patrol in action when recently dealing with a man of Arab descent. I stopped him and found that there was a warrant for him out of Canada for questioning. I spent 2 hours with this man incustody, trying to find out what Canada wanted to do with him. Finally I got an agent that told me that he was wanted for questioning on his canadian citizenship, BUT since he was already in the US they didn't care about him. Also that he was our problem now and would have just been deported anyway. hmmmm. Nothing like passing the buck onto us.

I had the opportunity to help 3 guys from Ontario that broke down on their BMW street bikes. I hate to pat my own back but I bent over backwards for them, going above and beyond what my job asks that I do. In return, they bad mouthed our government, our people, and even the people that were helping them. Nothing like being ungreatful.

Now to Bush. Yes there is some unfinished business in Iraq. Something that his father should have taken care of back in '91. But wasn't, due to the unfortunate compassion that was shown toward Saddam and the Iraqi people. Now their threat is even bigger. If we were after oil then we would have taken it back then. I get a kick out of the liberal minded people always trying to pin this on oil. Nobody remembers the terrorist acts that this government has perpetrated on their own people. It's just about the oil.

Back about a year and a half ago, there was an unfortunate tragedy that took place in our country. 9/11 That tragedy brought us together as one nation and one world against terrorism. WE vowed then that we would fight terrorism on ALL fronts. That was a unified WE from our entire country. Now only a year and a half later and the one nation is now back to the separation that existed prior to 9/11. Hmmmm. Did we forget about going after ALL terrorists now that the news channels stop showing us kicking the daylights out of the taliban? Did something change that I missed and we are no longer fighting terrorists NO MATTER where they are? Did we forget the people that died? Died for no reason other than they were in America? We need to look back at what these people did to us and look to the future. What is going to happen if Iraq does possess weapons of mass destruction? So they may not get the bomb over to us on a missile. But they may kill our people in other countries. Kill our allies. OR even worse. Sell it or provide it to someone that brings it here. THEN it's too late.

The axis of evil(not to be confused with Axis shocks) still exists. I know that someone out there with a higher education level will be able to eloquently make me look like an idiot for using that term like BUSH did, but the evil still exists. If you want to sit on your asses and let someone else take care of the problem then so be it. I say we kick some serious Iraqi ***. Then we head to N. Korea for some more *** kickin.

For the faint of heart or the peacekeepers to the north(canada). If you don't like it I guess that its just to dang bad. Call me cowboy or redneck. I say geettiii up. Let's get this stampede a' rolling. Times awasting and the enemy isn't taking a time out to see what we are going to do next. NO they are preparing for the worst and bettering themselves while we fight among ourselves.

To pappy and Guy. I back you both 100%. I just wish that I could write as well as you both. I sat here and tried to present my thoughts in a somewhat civil manner like you guys, when I really wanted to just start bashing people for their beliefs. One thing that has to be remembered by ME and I guess the others that are part of this discussion, is that we all have one thing in common, and that's atving. We may disagree on things but we have got along so well for so long and we need to keep that family going. And not to let our differnces in opinion drive a wedge between us. We must stay united to fight the forces that are against us.

Hope this made sense. I haven't slept since about 4:30 this morning and am really running out of steam. If not then blame it on my son. Lil bugger woke up too early.

Later and goodnight. May God Bless America...and Canada too. :D he he

Ray

[400EX_n_NC]

pappy...youre tha man. if you ever make it down to NC id gladly ride with ya! :) and im actually thinking of taking leave and trying to make it to one of the Hatfield McCoy rides...never been but it sounds fun, and after tonight id like to drink a few with ya!!

[-=Skot=-]

much respect for you pappy, i myself don't know what it's like growing up in a military environment but i'd be there in a heartbeat as well for my country, like my grandfather (poppy) was

[Pappy]

no problem...i know the combination to rico's cooler:devil


my dad once told me something i didnt understand until years later...he said....

son....if the hair on the back of your neck doesnt rise when you here taps or the marine corps hymn.....you are no longer my son.

it took alot of years to fully understand him....but i do.....and it stilll does.


i cant belive ya'll think i write good....must be the nyquil:o

canadian beer? NEVER HEARD OF IT:blah

[400EX_n_NC]

amen on that pappy. and now i see where that wisdom comes from...pops passed it on! he knows his stuff! hahaha and yeah, you do write fairly well. i had to think and reread about 20 times to make mine make sense and readable!

[Quad18star]

CBRSLIDER,
There are a few that ruin it for everyone . If one person disrespects you , does that turn you against 35 million people and make you classifie them as all being the same?? I deal with Americans every day just like you deal with Canadians on a daily basis . If one American tells me to go f**k myself , does that turn me against a nation of 300 million people?? No! You will get people from every corner of the globe that will not follow laws. If our laws state that people aren't allowed to throw garbage out their car window , then why was it OK for the family from Michigan that I followed the other day to decide they can pollute all they want?? May sound dumb for such a small crime , but they were not following our laws . I pride myself on living in a "clean" country, that family dusgusted me but I wont say every American is like that . As for terrorists entering through the Canadian borders , you might want to take a look and see if there are any that have entered through your borders and that are living in your country .

How would we " not exist" if it weren't for the Americans?? Canada is part of the Common Wealth which is a grouping of many countries. Am i gratefull to have a high powered nation bordering me? For sure I am , but it's wrong to say we wouldn't exist if it weren't for the Americans.

[Pappy]

yeah its amazing....at 10 you think yer dad is the strongest..smartest ...biggest man on earth.

at 15 ..you think he is a smartass..know it all...piece of garbage....

at 25 ...you realize half the chit he told you was true.....but never admit it


at 30 with a family of your own...you think back and wonder why he didnt kill my punk arse :devil and that the other 1/2 he told you about was true also:p

[CBRSLIDER]

Pappy, funny you should mention taps. I get goose bumps just thinking about it. I didn't get into this discussion until tonight after returning from a h.s. basketball game. While at that game I saw one of the worst displays of ignorance and disrespect that I may have ever seen in my life. There were three nice young ladies singing the national anthem and doing a wonderful job doing so, while a group of young h.s. age kids were laughing and goofing off. Man nothing burns me more than to see such disrespect. During the anthem I was picturing in my head all the families that were torn by loved ones that were shipped out to defend MY freedom. Loved ones that may not return. I pictured the unfortunate image of some of them coming home with their caskets draped in OUR flag. The one I was looking at, that represents the lives that have fought and been lost to bring us freedom. Then to have those morons across from me, disrespecting the flag, the people it represents, the national anthem, and the young ladies that had enough guts to get up and sing for us. I was seeing red. But those hairs on the back of my head were still standing on end. It still made me feel greatful to be an American.

Ray

btw-400EX_n_NC Thanks. Thanks for defending me and my family. Especially since I didn't ask and you expected nothing from me in return. Other than our support and respect. AND that you definately have. You and your fellow servicemen and women deserve so much more. Thanks again.

[Pappy]

yeah its a shame.....but youth has its allowance of ignorance.

we as parents need to tighten up a bit....it seems a lot of our generation has forgotton what got us here. my dad was a wild man....i could recite the marine corps prayer at 10....disassemble and reassemble a M-16 blind folder at 13....out shoot anyone i knew......and you can bet i didnt cut up during the national anthem:devil

my oldest son ..(9 now) can outshoot most adults.....is commended on his manners and the way he treats others...so i geuss something is workin:D i wish i could get him to get along with his lil brother tho....id rather do push ups in parris island sand then listen to them fight:devil

[400EX_n_NC]

you are exactly right. and nothing gets to more than someone acting stupid during the afore mentioned songs...marine hymn, taps, national anthem...than someone bashing this country or the man that is our leader. people are so blind not to realize that the freedom they have to speak freely comes from leaders like Bush in the past that saw when things such as war need to happen. and now when it isnt so convenient, they talk him down. that will get you killed or imprisoned in 3 of the 5 foreign countries ive visted. no respect and no appreciation. but ill get up tomorrow and do my job the same. and just as any marine will tell you...they dont want recognition. "its their job" they want nothing more. no glory was in that contract. they just want to be what they are. and its men and women with that mindset that will ensure that my kids (a few years down the road) will get to hear how pround i am that im a marine forever. Semper Fi

[CBRSLIDER]

There are a few that ruin it for everyone . If one person disrespects you , does that turn you against 35 million people and make you classifie them as all being the same??

I didn't say that there were just a few. It seems that almost EVERY Canadian that I have ever dealt with has acted the same. Hey maybe I have just been dealt the bad batch. I have more warrants for canadians than all states here combined. Why because they believe that our laws do not apply to them. And since I have no way of arresting them in Canada then screw the law in the US. You on the other hand should have reported the people littering. If you didn't then it falls on you and you alone.

Ray

[Pappy]

ok...i have been informed that molson doesnt qualify as canadian beer....:ermm:


i bet real canadian beer dont hold a candle to tiger beer:devil

[-=Skot=-]

CBRSLIDER, Do you deal with Canadians outside your profession?

[CBRSLIDER]

As for terrorists entering through the Canadian borders , you might want to take a look and see if there are any that have entered through your borders and that are living in your country .

Almost forgot this one. If you are refering to the individual that I arrested on the warrant from canada. I think that you missed the point. YOUR agency no longer wanted the individual. They stated as long as he was in the US it was our problem now. And that they rather he stayed here. We are not a dumping ground. Or is that melting pot? Hmmm. He was wanted in your country but since he is here, he's no longer wanted? And then not to assist me in what he was exactly wanted for. Only to tell me he was wanted for questioning inregards to his citizenship. THANKS for the help. I got the same feeling after talking with your border patrol agent as I normally get dealing with your motorists.

Ray

[Quad18star]

Now Pappy how does Molson not qualify as canadian beer? It was brewed at the Molson factory , in Molson Park , on Molson Park drive in Barrie?? Theres Molson Canadian and then theres Molson Hockey Night in Canada . You must be drinking the Molson Export ( thats usually the beer that sits out by the heaters and turns skunky . LOL:blah

[-=Skot=-]

YOUR agency no longer wanted the individual. They stated as long as he was in the US it was our problem now. And that they rather he stayed here. We are not a dumping ground.


i hear you loud and clear, thats not right , as well as poor relations. I totally see why you feel the way you do. it's sad, seems like you have been delt the bad batch

[Quad18star]

CBRSLIDER ,
I highly doubt they had a warrant out just so they can question his citizenship . It's unfortunate that because you have bad experiences with some individuals that you classifie a nation . I guess I should classifie every american that meet as ignorant then , since I haven't had a good experience with one either . right?? Sorry but thats not the way that I am , I won't judge a nation because of the way one person has acted . It would be like saying every afghan person is a terrorist , when in fact there are one certain ones that pose a real threat and the others jst want to live a normal life .

[Pappy]

ok ...can we agree on this....

SKUNK BEER SUCKS.....no matter where ya come from:devil

[Quad18star]

Pappy , I will agree on you with that . Nothign worse than wanting a nice refreshing beer on a hot day , only to find out its skunked . BLAHHHHHH .
BTW , check ur messages Pappy

[400EX_n_NC]

sucks really bad...bought a case 2 weeks ago..only to get home and find out it was skunky AFTER we drank all of our other beer and it was too late to buy more....i thought i had grounds to go to court...my buddies disagreed!!

[-=Skot=-]

yuk, skunk beer really does suck, agreed :scary:

[Crazy4bluEx]

Pappy- everything you have posted in this thread i back 100%, no doubt you obviously "understand" what it is like to 'feel' patriotic. People that care enough about our country to go at anytime and die for it is what we need, this may sound like i am just blowing steam, but if they took volunteers today, i would be down there in a heartbeat, not because i think "shooting" at someone is cool, its because i realize that EVERY soldier no matter whether he *or she* actually fights in battle, they can be FORCED to fight for their country at anytime. I agree with your issue on whether or not to "piss" anyone off.... we as americans have the right to "diss" our own country *which mostly pisses me off* because people dont understand that once another country starts "threatening" us that it is...."cruise missle" time - as stated by you previously. Once that time comes, everyone isnt "sure" that america is doing everything right. I think clinton did nothing but "stir" all this up, and dump it in someone else's lap this someones lap turned out to be bush. As you said, anything patriotic, makes the hair stand up on my neck, and it makes me fill with every emotion possible, its almost scary how much power it has. Thank you for being a TRUE american and realizing all the facts, and not hiding behind what is "presented".

400EX_n_NC- i would like to say "thank you" for doing the job that more then likely you didnt deep down "want to do", maybe you "wanted" to, but deep down who really wants to "fight"? once again i would like to say THANK YOU so much for keeping america the land of the free, i couldnt imagine coming back from a war *such as* vietnam, and seeing my own people, which i had been fighting for, burning the american flag, that i had tried so hard to protect. I think you deserve more credit than any Cal Ripken, Micheal Jordan, Tim Farr, Wayne Gretsky, or any Emitt Smith, because without YOU, the american soldier, they would more then likely be stopped from participating in the sports that they love. When all this settles down, i hope that you come home safe to your family, because you and your comrades are the only true heroes in my eyes.

CBRSLIDER- i will back you and JCV up also, PEOPLE of any other nation, whether it be canada, mexico *especially* , spain, france, brittain, ect. ect. ect. they want to play both sides of the fence with the 140 pound pit bull. Basically they want to say..."we think americas motives are bull****" untill the bombs start dropping, then they hide on that side of the fence without the mean, nasty dog about to chew them up. I think that if N. Korea and Sadaam are not handled with the MOST precaution, or the most agression possible, this could turn out to be UGLY, and then you have little "wanna be" talibans running around. Timothy Mcveigh may have not been involved with the taliban, but i am SURE there are many more people in this country that would "do it" for the cause, they believe in. So what if they are somehow recruited by the taliban, and snuck some short of "chemical" virus. *we are screwed* and not by foreign policys by our own dumb a** citizens, and i believe if people dont "support" bush and everything he is doing they should PACK up and move to sadaams part of the country.

Quad18star- I see your point, concerning how you wouldnt like to be "blown" up because of our presidents decision, and i REALLY see your point, if you dont live here, why should you even THINK of reaping the consequences of what our president sews. At the same time, you have the "freedom" you do because you border us, i dont think canada would be CLOSE to the same if it suddenly "woke" up in the middle east, with no america to keep its arse accounted for.. do you honestly? i remember when the japanese decided we surfaced that sub under that ship ON PURPOSE! come on, thats ridiculous, and it was mostly media coverings, but even then, the MEDIA is ruining the whole "outlook" on everything, and wait till the bombs start flying, and as pappy stated... america will show every last person against us what the Mighty U S A is all 'ABOOT'

As far as holding in account that i "suspect" arabian/indian, or any other people that resemble the "towel heads" responsible for sept. 11th, you better beleive i suspect every last one, as well as every other person, i actually know more "messed up" rich white kids than i do Arabian foreign exchange students, we actually have one right now that says he hope america goes over to the middle east, an "wipes the slate clean", because he says since he has been over here that this country is WAY to great, not to be proud of, and he will even tell you, if he could fight for any country it would be the US. I also have a korean exchange student in my "US history" class that says we are all "evil, DIRTY, DUMB, AMERICANS" and me and this subject have words everytime these "thoughts" seem to arrise... my feelings on the issue, if they dont like it here, ship em out, along with the ACTUAL US citizens who are not supporting, and not doing for the BETTER, just getting in the way, like the damn people out there always with signs saying......"war for OIL".... COME ON... if anyone thinks this is ALL about OIL, they must be dumb, yet i do understand to myself that WHY WOULDNT we take the OIL? if we are given the oppurtunity, we gave Mr. Hussein a chance, and he screwed it up, so i say DRAIN everything he has, take his oil, his weapons, and leave them with NOTHING but food, water, and shelter..... see how long Iraq lasts ;) :p i suspect it wouldnt last very long.....

well i am going end the vent now, like was stated earlier i probably didnt "incourage" anyone... so its not like i am much help either, but at least i try :o

*K*

[nat3060]

Pappy: and what exactly did clinton do the 8 years he was in office?

got some head

__________


secondly i dont like all this war crap, yes i sound ignorant to no end, but as much as i think my life sucks i dont want it to end anytime soon, i dont agree in bombing anyone and no i dont watch the news, but who gives a ****... either way we're getting our asses bombed

i dont know the whole story behind it and i dont want to know. yes i sound really stupid but sorry, i guess i am. im sure there are better ways to handle all this, but i guess dropping bombs is faster.

and im sure all of that would have came out the right way if it wasnt 2am, but hey i didnt intend for this thread to get this responce either.

[jcv400ex]

Wow Pappy, whatever you've been taking....pass some up my way! I've never heard you talk so pasionately before. Your true character came out in this post, and your alright. ;)

Canadian Guys,

Yes, it's a messed up world we live in. And The United States is the "Police" of the New World. Sometimes we do things that people question, but it all goes back to us having to be the first ones to stick our noses into stuff for the goodness of ALL people. We don't do stuff just to make the headlines, or for oil. We're concerned about the safety of everyone. What do you think would happen If the USA was invaded and they kicked our arse(which would never happen)?? Where do you think they'd be heading next? I'd bet up north!

And I've also dealt with my fair share of ignorant Canadians. The majority of your country seem to have a bone to pick with us Americans for some reason. We're this, we do that, etc. It's not just Ray talking out his arse, it does happen. And I'm sure you've dealt with ******* Americans also. I think that's a never ending battle. Why? I don't know, but we do have a comunication problem with you guys. We see you as hockey lovin, beer drinkin, USA haters...and you see us as drugged up, porn lovin, fightin everyone's war, wannabe rulers of the Earth. I personally don't have anything against your country or you guys. Yeah, the friendly fire thing did hit a nerve, but if I was in your shoes, I'm sure I'd feel the same. It was an unfortunate accident.

But you guys do have good beer, excellent strip clubs & a good casino in Niagara. :)

Just tell those Canadian truck drivers that a shower and deodorant is NOT BAD FOR YOU! :blah


400EX_n_NC

I also want to thank you for defending our country! Be safe over there man! I wanna see you at the H/M ride! I'll buy you a beer...and it won't be skunked!

;)

[F-16Guy]

Originally posted by Quad18star
Sorry to be ranting on but to me it doesn't seem like Americans care too much or appreciate any of the stuff we do for them . What do you give us in return?? How about killing a few of our soldiers in " friendly fire accidents" and not getting any penalty over it?? What did those American soldiers get? A slap on the wrist while Canadian families got to bury their children .

And whoever said the comment about a Canadian President , open up your books and learn a little more than just American history . It's a Prime Minister not a President . [/B]

I know I'm way late on this thread, but I just had to comment on this. Coming from someone who has personally read the report (of which my Wing Commander was co-author), there is a lot more to that "friendly fire" incident than the media led people to believe. Those American pilots were over hostile territory, which put them in a heightened state of awareness (as anyone would be if they felt their life was imminent danger). They responded to what they percieved to be hostile aggression, a series of muzzle flashes from small arms, as well as some larger stuff. While the Canadian soldiers were authorized to perform live fire exercises that day, they were also given very specific time parameters. I agree that the pilots of that flight were too hastey, and I'm sorry for the death of those soldiers, no doubt some of our staunchest allies. The fact remains, though, the Canadians were conducting live fire exercises well outside of the given time constraints, in a hostile area, with known allied air patrol!! If you were in the seat of one of those F-16s, and you thought you were being fired on, what would you do??

[Ben]

Well I won't waste my time talking to the wind ;) It is apparent that I am the only liberal person on this site - lol :p I have no problem with removing Sadam but I do believe we need to involve the United Nations and not just steamroll over our major allies. Russia is still a major world power, as is China - and believe me, we do not want this to escalate into a war with Russia - anyone who thinks we could just roll into Moscow and crush the Russian army is sadly mistaken - we would win but it would be World War III, and would cost millions of Americans lives. On another note, comparing this millitary action, or Sadam and Osama, with World War II, Hitler, and Nazi Germany is pure folly - don't flatter Sadam. It is bad foreign policy to completely disregard our greatest allies' thoughts, and Germany is certainly a major ally of ours. If we continue this policy of unilateralism, and only pay lip service to our strong allies, we may find ourself in a bind down the road.

The biggest concern I have is the loss of our civil liberties which our ancestors fought so hard for. Innocent individuals are losing many rights that we have grown acustom to - including the right to own firearms. With some of these new "patriotic" acts - the government can walk into my house or yours, whether I'm there or not, no warrant, take my guns or anything else they want in the name of regulation of private property. They don't have to tell me what they took, why they took it, where it is or how I can get it back. If I raise ****, or even if I don't, they can put me in jail indefinitely, no lawyer, no bail, no trial. Bush and his assistants have grabbed a great deal of power all in the name of 'protecting' us, much like facists have done in history - using 'patriotism' to hide the rights they are stealing from us. Our civil liberties make this country the greatest place in the world to live - and no terrorist can take that away from us, only our government can, and we are letting them do it. Don't fool yourselves to think that if the government can take away our guns, they don't have their eyes set on our "killing machines," i.e. atvs. If we give the government the power to regulate every facet of our lives it will be a sad day indeed - one where it is illegal to own a gun, illegal to own an atv or motorcycle, illegal to practice a non-Christain religion. :chinese:

[Ben]

And just for the record - I would feel this strongly if Clinton or even JFK had taken away our civil liberties. I am not basing this on politics at all but rather my on convictions and beliefs about the importance of our civil liberties. :)

[Pappy]

im with ya ben.....they already have the right ...right now to confiscate our guns under the new security acts. its a scary arse thought...and i dont like it. but as a responsible firearm owner i understand that extreme circumstances call for extreme measures....like when the sniper stuff was going on. the feds were contacting and inspecting owners of any 223 caliber weapon they could trace. i have friends that were inspected and interviewed for hours. but as far as i know...no legal guns were confiscated nor were any legal owners of firearms hassled beyond resonable expectations.
although i still disagree with it
:macho

liberal? why would you think thats a bad thing. difference's in political veiws keeps us rolling:scary:

i cant wait to see you in a few more years....a gun toting..atv riding...liberal lawyer:eek: lmao:blah

[F-16Guy]

Ben, my Grandpa once told me "You should be scared to death of a government that would try to disarm it's own people". With that, I couldn't agree more!

[Ben]

Well at least we agree on something!! :D :D Yes Kenny - one day I'll probably own a compound in the mountains with lots of guns and lots of atvs and motorcycles, and still be fighting those who want take our civil rights! :p

[jcv400ex]

Originally posted by F-16Guy
Ben, my Grandpa once told me "You should be scared to death of a government that would try to disarm it's own people". With that, I couldn't agree more!

No doubt. I don't like agreeing with Liberals....but Ben your def. right on this one. I just hope Rush can forgive me! :devil

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Ben
Well at least we agree on something!! :D :D Yes Kenny - one day I'll probably own a compound in the mountains with lots of guns and lots of atvs and motorcycles, and still be fighting those who want take our civil rights! :p

build me a room:devil

[Ben]

:D :D

Ain't nobody gettin my guns...:mad: They might get a few of the bullets slung at em but not the gun..

And if your not from the US and don't like the way things are done here..go back were ya came from..the US does NOT need to change it's ways because a few people from across the pond are outraged at our belief's.. I think it's pretty sad when ya get in southern FL or even nothern IL and nothing is in English...WTF is that all about,,I go to another state and can't understand the language..Horse chit is what I call it..:confused:

And I could rant on forever like some of you have..;) but i'm not..I think our government is a JOKE along with the head guy leading it..

I hear Bush is goin after Etheopia next week..it's a garaunteed victory...:rolleyes: He's a Joke in my mind and has done nothing for me...:macho

[Pappy]

florida......heck...half the county i work in is a forign country. u need spanish to order lunch....arabic to order a pack of smokes and a slurpy.....and god knows what my dry cleaner is sayin to me:confused2

id hate to see what california sounds like:devil

[jcv400ex]

No doubt man. I bout chit when I was in Orlando the last time! Wow, what a mess down there....I was outnumbered 2-1 down there! :huh


Mickey Mouse just isn't as cool speaking Spanish! :ermm:

[Guy400]

Saddam's army is nowhere near the strength of what Hitler's was and this war with Iraq won't come anywhere near the scale of WWII so I'm not comparing them in that respect. The similarities I'm drawing between Saddam and Hitler is that they're both egomanical whacko's who would do whatever it takes to win a war. Hitler launched buzzbombs at Britain. These were unguided rockets that fell when they ran out of fuel. They could land in an elementary school or they could hit a military installation, it was all just sheer chance where they landed. If Hitler had nuclear capabilities there's no arguing he would've used them. Saddam gases his own people who speak out against him and he just drives into Kuwait about 12 years ago because he thought they owed him money and they were supplying the world with a little too much oil. Both of these men were loose cannons and both need to be stopped. Saddam has already proven that he's willing to use chemical weapons. Is there even a question as to whether or not he'd use biological or nuclear weapons if they were in his arsenal? Again, we're not unilaterally acting on Iraq. There's over 25 nations that side with us but becuase they're not France or Russia we're not giving them any media coverage. When's the last time you've seen a Spanish (Spain), Italian, Australian, Danish, Czech or Turkish news conference where they're whole-hearteredly backing the U.S.'s stance?? You don't because our liberal media does not want the populous to hear from this side. On top of that, whether we go into Iraq without the French or Russians we're not going into Moscow.

In regards to Korea, both the Chinese and Russians support us in our handling of them so far. They're both urging North Korea to stop it's nuclear armament policy and wish for a dialogue between the United States and the North. They say they're willing to discuss the situation with us but we've got to do it on their terms? They signed an international agreement that stated they would not reactivate their nuclear plant as long as we supplied them with money, food and oil. We did those things and when they asked for more and we told them no they started the plant back up. When we told them we're cutting them off becuase they're in violation of the agreement they removed the U.N. monitors and said they'll start WWIII becuase of the threats we're making. That would be like anyone of us signing up for a credit card for 15% interest and then later call the company and say "lower it cause I don't want to pay that much" and when the credit card company tells us no we stop paying altogether and state we're going to bomb the company that supplied the credit card.

[Knight440]

and god knows what my dry cleaner is sayin to me

Pappy that would be Chinese :chinese: and he's probley telling ya he put extra starch in the short's for ya :eek:


I must say this is probley one of the best threads I have read to bad I came in so late on this.

Pappy well said I like your point of view ;)

F16Guy as far as the Bombing thing I couldn't agree more! they did what at the time they thought was right and I am sure all of us would have done the same put in that situation.

Rico hit the nail on the head BUSH is a JOKE!!!!!!!

Thanks for some great lunch time reading!

Maybe we could get Ben and Pappy on Larry King Live:D

Our Government needs to take a few steps backwards and start doing more for US and less for all these countries. O and it's time to SHUT the door! and stop letting all these none speeking job stealing &^%$# in! unemployment will keep rising! when you get people that will work for next to nothing and put the rest of us out of JOBS

[Mxbubs]

Shoot all Muslims and Clinton/Gore supporters.......:D

[Pappy]

yeah ...well remeber that the free exchange of thoughts and a heated debate doesnt mean ben and i arent friends...lol when you get older i geuss it becomes more natural to discuss different veiws and opinions without wanting to kick someones arse:p


im about screwed up as they come when it comes to political parties. i vote they way i feel not along party lines. i even voted against a pro-gun congressman in my state because the S.O.B cut me off driving home one day:eek:

anyway.....whats gonna happen is gonna happen. the wheels are turning and someone is gonna get the chit knocked outta them. iraq is done for....and korea may be next...and there is several small countries that are harboring terrorists and even some that want us to come help them...like yemen.

so keep the fight alive.....support your country and learn everything you can. knowledge can be a deadly weapon if used correctly.

[jcv400ex]

Got that right Kenny. We're gearing up for something big. I was talking to a friend that makes parts for the military...he said they're busier than they where during Desert Storm...something big is coming....:ermm:

[Pappy]

yeah...my lil brother just finished his tour with the air force after 8 years....now he is being reactivated. he didnt think he would be....but i imagine he will be gone overseas soon:( again:p

[Guy400]

I just read about a new bomb that the U.S. will be using against Iraq. It's the biggest conventional bomb we've ever developed. It releases a large mushroom cloud resembling a nuclear weapon but does not contain any radioactivity. It is meant to demoralize the enemy when they see this huge cloud rising and make them not want to fight. The fighting in the desert is going to be the easy part (relatively speaking). We've got even more advanced weapons than we had in Desert Storm and Iraq has hardly had the time to rebuild it's military to 100% status. The part that concerns me is when we send ground troops into Baghdad searching building by building:ermm:

[Blysster]

Originally posted by Guy400
I just read about a new bomb that the U.S. will be using against Iraq.

Sounds like war is unavoidable no matter what the UN inspectors say or how many NATO countries decide to use the power of veto.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Blysster
Sounds like war is unavoidable no matter what the UN inspectors say or how many NATO countries decide to use the power of veto.



france has lost its freedom twice in the blink of an eye

and this is the first time germany has been against war:huh

now i hear a bunch of crybaby nato countries wanna get dibs on providing humanitarian aid to iraq after we get done with them:confused: no thanks....we will handle it....from bombs to bagels....we dont need nato anymore. if you look deeply as to why these countries want to help after the war...or oppose it to start with...its all about one thing------->$$$$$$$

germany has a chit pot full of terrorists hiding in thier country...they should be first on the bandwagon wanting to clean the slate with this scum.

[MOUSE]

i dont like to get into discussions on topics like this one because you get exactly what we have here turmoil. i can see good points in the post made this far, yes even the ones that say dont go to war, they are all opinions and should be given every bit as much thought and consideration as the ones that say "nuke em all". while i dont believe that we should just stand back and watch as sudam and all the other people plot to destroy not just our way of life but all other ways of life also. im not a very politacal person (i hate politics) so therefore i dont know all the different views of the democrats, liberals, republicans, etc.. i believe that untill we get straight what is happening in our own country that we will never be truly the "united states". i cant understand the wisdom of some of the things that our goverment does in our name but they are the ones we put in office so i guess that at least some of us may understand what the reasons we give everything to other countries when our own people are starving in the streets and ur children are born addicted to cocaine and other drugs. it almost seems to me that the goverment cares more about what is happening in other countries than whats is happening hre at home.

mow im not anti goverment or anything i agree that we should not let other countries terrorize the world. and i feel deeply for all those lost on sept 11 and there families. so im not entirely sure exactly what the best course of action would be to take, im just glad that im not the one to make that decision. but i would like to sit down with our president and leave behind all the politacal mess and have a good ole common sense sit down and chew the fat. like i said im not a politics man and dont really choose sides i agree with most of the points made on this discussion and dont want to offend anyone. the only thing i can say to the members on this board is to keep an open mind, if you dont open your mind to get some fresh air it will start to mold :ermm:

also just for some reading i found this. its a speech given by a preacher a while back i founf it on the internet cant remember where


I want you to close your eyes and picture in your mind the soldier at Valley Forge, as he holds his musket in his bloody hands. He stands barefoot in the snow, starved from lack of food, wounded from months of battle and emotionally scarred from the eternity away from his family surrounded by
nothing but death and carnage of war. He stands though, with fire in his eyes and victory on his breath. He looks at us in anger and disgust and tells us this...

I gave you a birthright of freedom born in the Constitution and now your children graduate too illiterate to read it. I fought in the snow barefoot to give you the freedom to vote and you stay at home because it rains. I left my family destitute to give you the freedom of speech and you remain
silent on critical issues, because it might be bad for business. I orphaned my children to give you a government to serve you and it has stolen democracy from the people.
It's the soldier and sailor not the reporter who gives you the freedom of the press.
It's the soldier and sailor not the poet who gives you the freedom of speech.
It's the soldier and sailor not the campus organizer who
allows you to demonstrate.
It's the soldier's and Sailor's who salutes the flag, serves the flag, whose coffin is draped with the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag!!!

just my $0.01

Originally posted by Knight400EX


Our Government needs to take a few steps backwards and start doing more for US and less for all these countries. O and it's time to SHUT the door! and stop letting all these none speeking job stealing &^%$# in! unemploment will keep rising! when you get people that will work for next to nothing and put the rest of us out of JOBS

Amen brother amen..and if ya desagree with what he said..Don't let the door hit ya were the good lord split ya on your way back to were ever ya came from...:blah

I find it funny that Bush kicks the bum outa his way as he leaves DC to go to war over a country that's being treated unfairly by their leaders...LMFAO...what a dipchit

[Crazy4bluEx]

bump

[tants]

thats great:D

[JUSTINcredible]

i just seen on the news that they raised the terrorist warning leval to the highest leval it goes to.. and they are sayin that we should get plastic and cover our windows and doors in a certain room in case of chemical or biological attacks and have enough food and water for 3 days... this is starting to get scary:ermm:

[jcv400ex]

Yeah, they have a new tape of Bin Laden....I'm not hiding. 12 gauge is ready...BRING IT!!!:macho

[JUSTINcredible]

i say we get saddum and bin laden alive, tie them up, and let every american kick them in the balls!

[400EX_n_NC]

well guys i didnt leave this post until about 4 am when i got off of work. but i see it continues to grow! this i sby far one of the best "non honda" threads ive seen so far. i did get a bit worked up at first i must admit but its good to hear the opinions of both sides. as for me i stand firm on my previous posts. as far as that last post about the threat level being raised to the highest level...i dont think that is fact. it is currently level orange. second highest due to chatter similar to the things heard before sept 11th. i did however read that the iraqi's have moved scud launchers to historic sites and mosques so they wont be attacked and most likely for use to blow up their own oil fields and their own people...just as they did in the gulf war, so they could blame us. i know alot of you are against what is going on but i see it as what needs to happen and im ready for the call. hey PAPPY...i see that you have held this thing down and continued to impress the masses with knowledge and wit!! well rock on brother! youve got my respect already!! and i cant agree with you more...knowledge is power!

[Pappy]

id like to be the door gunner on that bird in yer pic......vulcan mini gun ...sweepin' it clean:devil

[400EX_n_NC]

you too??? i work on the electronics on them but im also an aerial observer (aka door gunner) on the left side window. (not in this picture though :( ) "get some!!" 50 cal ringing loud!! hahaha "how do you killwomen ..children?"....."easy!..you just dont lead em as much!!" :) --FMJ

[Pappy]

i met a door gunner from one of the air wings my dad served with in nam. he seemed like a good guy. after he left my dad started tellin me how nutz that crazy rascal was. the first time we watched FMJ ...he swore the writer knew that guy...lol the old man said he would light up anything that remotely resembled a target.....

funniest thing he said that guy ever did was light up a shark:eek: then they got some navy guys to go get it and they had a cook out...lmgdao i geuss they had some good times along with the bad.

[400EX_n_NC]

thats right..ive never experienced anything remotely as terrible as nam. but i can tell you that you really learn how to have some wierd fun when the guys around you are all youve got. last year at our Marine Corps Ball, we had an old man come speak that was a gunner in nam also awesome guy with stories that will blow your mind. if you are up for a good book he is the auther of a book about that time and that might "Battle Phrog" in that pic up there. its called "Bonnie Sue" by Marion F. Sturkey. definately recommend it to anyone!

[Pappy]

cool....

my brother found a book about a sniper in nam...and there was a few pages about my pop's in there. it was cool reading about the same stories he had told us.

after his 3rd tour ...he wasnt allowed back in active combat so they made him a DI. he was snaping in some soon to be snipers when a LT from a recon platoon insisted on shooting a bolt rifle...so the old man let him...




needless to say the LT left with a big cut above his eye:devil

[400EX_n_NC]

thats awesome! no great history with my immediate family like that. not from a military family really. but that would be cool to read about the old man in books. im fairly new around here. what do you do for a living pappy? is the powder coating just a business on the side? and where are you and rico and the rest of your gang from? you guys sound like a trip in alot of your posts!

[Pappy]

i run a battery company ...been there since 1990. pc is just a hobby for now. rico lives in a tent in kentucky...dont worry...he has a 10 foot ring of beer cans surrounding the tent so its more like a bunker:devil

i live in maryland..for now...moving soon i hope.

the rest of teh gang is scattered throughout the US.....the net lets us hang out....but hatfield lets us get together and just have fun....try to make it if ya can....its a blast!!!

[400EX_n_NC]

i see, i see. i was under the impression that alot of you lived pretty close from some of the fun bashing that goes on. but im definately going to try to make one of the h/m rides. im pretty sure the first one is out of the question because we are supposed to be flying cross country to yuma az. so im looking into taking leave for the second one. is it hard to find you guys or do i just look for the craziest party??

[4punksdad]

I never was politically correct.............and like kenny, sept 11th gave me another excuse.

george bush can and will do good things within our borders...........but he is ONE man. he can not solve all the worlds problems. look to your local leaders to get off their fat rear ends and do a little something other than looking to washington for a silver spoon.

there are alot of good ideas in this thread................but many of you watch WAY too much TV.
I for one am not willing to wait for the arabs to pull their next shiit trick. I hope virginia starts selling big game tags for these turds. Maybe then I will take up hunting again.

for you bleeding heart liberals..............join the red cross & help clean up the mess MY tax dollars are going to make of Iraq. On sept 12 2001 you couldn't find an american who didn't want an arab hood ornament...................where did you all go? Apparently most of you were not in it to win it. I am.
When we are done I say we sell iraq to the north koreans for a buck so we can do it again.

"lets get it on"

[Pappy]

we normally all stay at chief logan state park...very easy to find....keep an eye here on teh site for updates about the ride. hope to see ya there:p

[Quad18star]

Even though I have a different view on this subject as most of you guys and girls do , I just want to make it clear that I respect your opinions . Sorry if I offended anyone last night with some of the comments that I made . Laterz

[Pappy]

its ok 4punks...you drive...i'll shoot:devil

[400EX_n_NC]

right on 4 punks!! you are exactly right. there was so much "patriotism" after the initial attacks. but it was all a fake. these people were caught up in the moment, but too quickly forgot just how painful things can get when you ignore these guys. and here is a news flash...im no genius but id bet my hard earned paycheck...(once again...raised only by Mr. Bush not once, but twice in the past 2 years...something unheard of with Clinton at the wheel) that next time it will be a little worse that just 2 building crumbling. then where will all if these pity filled liberals be? im guessing sitting quiet in the corner rethinking their ways...that is if we are still around and able to think. if we want to remain..we must be PROactive, not REactive. and Bush knows this!

[CBRSLIDER]

Did someone mention roadhuntin?:D I'm there and I'll bring the beer.

Joe, you got the point across in just a few sentences that I couldn't convey in 5 paragraphs the other night. I agree with ya 100%. It's time to get it done. And the time is now. Not after they regroup or restructure. Hit them while they are a lil disorganized.

Ray

[jcv400ex]

I've been known to ride on the running boards chasin critters across the fields. Get the Blazer ready Ray...I wanna try out my new spotlight! :D

[F-16Guy]

Here's a good question... When all he11 does break loose, how far are we as Americans willing to go to ensure our "Homeland Security"? I wonder if internment camps (ones similar to what we used with the Japanese) should be brought back for Arab immigrants. If terrorism here in the States is going to be a problem, maybe we should round up all of the 1st generation immigrants and Visa holders. I'm sure this would piss a whole bunch of liberals off, but is it worth it to you to limit the personal freedom of some people that have only been here a few years so that we can possibly save hundreds (or even thousands) of American lives? When we go in, you can bet there's going to be some Arabs here willing to sacrifice their life to exact revenge on the U.S.

[jcv400ex]

I was thinking of that too F-16. I say round them up. Because, just like you said, they're going to want to do something. I do not see that happening though. Heck look at the ruckous made over the "Detainees" down in Guantamino Bay.... People just care too much.:rolleyes:

But, your right, that's what should happen.

[MEL]

we got a huntin' trip going? i'll load up, when do we leave? i've read every post on this thread over the last day or so, and pappy, nc, jvc, cbr, 4 punks, you all make me(us) proud. i'm not for going and just picking a fight just to fight, but when it comes down to it its either we kick their ***** or their going to have time to kick ours. i down like getting my ***** kicked and don't know to many people that do! alot of good people died so we had a chance to live the life we've become used to, or that we've taken for granted. as long as there's people out there that are trying to take that away form us i say go get the job done and don't stop until you do. nc, if you go back over, watch your back, and look up treehugger. he'll be the one huntin' camels in kuwait.

[Pappy]

civil rights for them aside.....the immigrant community keeps a close knit community. chinese...korean..veitnemese...middle eastern etc. i dont think the US govt. did enough after sept 11th interogating more of the specified communities.

the police dont have problem stopping every white or black man they see sfter a robbery ....it should be the same for them. racial profiling works..period. its a play on averages..nothing more. and if the crybaby liberals wanna say its wrong.....well tough cookies.

i have been stopped..and questioned before simply because i fit the description....i was more then happy to help.

i think they should have a mandatory registration of anyone with a middle eastern connection. the security to ALL citizens depends on it. check them out.....and send them on thier way.

[F-16Guy]

If people are afraid that internment camps will take away the Arabs' civil liberties, we can just deport them back to the middle east, I'm sure their civil liberties will be safe over there!! If I was an Arab, I'd say "put me in a camp for a little while, please, just don't send me back!!" I think people have the wrong idea, the Japanese camps were not like prison, people were allowed to bring some personal effects, and they were allowed to move freely, for the most part, around the complex (which usually resembled a small town, complete with activity centers, etc.) Some of our soldiers would like to have that much freedom!!

[MSL]

george bush can and will do good things within our borders...........but he is ONE man. he can not solve all the worlds problems. look to your local leaders to get off their fat rear ends and do a little something other than looking to washington for a silver spoon.
there are alot of good ideas in this thread................but many of you watch WAY too much TV.
for you bleeding heart liberals..............join the red cross & help clean up the mess MY tax dollars are going to make of Iraq. On sept 12 2001 you couldn't find an american who didn't want an arab hood ornament...................where did you all go? Apparently most of you were not in it to win it. I am.

When are the bleeding heart liberals going to get a clue??
Quit hugging trees and sniffing flowers and wake up! so our kids can raise kids in a free country!

damn liberals Smack evil rulers on the hand and give them more money and say dont do that anymore. Liberal views are going to be the downfall of this great country.

War sometimes saves more lives in the long run. People better quit thinking just about themselfs and the present time and look to the future, If liberals have thier way we wont have much of a future.

PEOPLE BETTER WAKE UP OR WE WILL BE IN DEEP DOO DOO!

[Knight440]

WTF:huh :huh

Read this :rolleyes:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/11/emergency.supplies/index.html

time to start selling duct tape on e-bay:ermm:

[Pappy]

yep...around here duct tape sales went thru the roof. same with flashlight batteries....i dont think ive ever had as many calls for D and C cell batteries in my life

[F-16Guy]

not since the invention of the vibrator:devil

[DESDAK4]

For all of you that say lets get it done you watch the news when they do let all of us AMMO Troops go to work and along with our pilots you will see it get done in a very big way:macho When the dust settles we will have a brand new set of dunes to enjoy:devil

Jay
USAF
AMMO

[4punksdad]

It seems as if our military members dont mind the fight........and they are the folks MOST affected by all of this. Thats why I don't mind paying taxes right there!

good luck over there guys..............take no prisoners.

when times get really tough,,,,,,,,,,,,,look up & imagine those two buildings in NY falling from the sky,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,then stand up & kick another arab *****

[Max400]

PAPPY your the man............I agree with everything you've said. most of the people on here that are bashing George and his policies are just young kids without a clue, most of them were born in the 80's..................they don't remember gas lines or the recession that Carter gave us, **** they probably don't even know who Carter or Regan "great president" even were.
**** I was riding before they were even born, they have a lot of growing up to do. the only opinion's that they have are ones that there parents or teachers gave them........

Pappy for President...........:D :D

[Pappy]

like i said...i dont play party lines. bush was thrust into a big pile of chit sept 11th....and he is dealing with it the best he can. its easy for us to arm chair quaterback this thing.....but being in the hotseat is wayyyy different.

the president will only be as good as congress will let him. reagan held the reins on congress and everyone was in agreement that the soviets needed to be wiped out.....they didnt do it with bombs....the just bankrupted them.

the sad part about the average citizen is that they sit on thier fat arse and watch tom brokaw and think thats the whole story. we only get to see a small portion of whats really going on.id say that if the leaders of this country are so adiment about destroying iraq...then they have pretty good reasons for doing so.

everyone is bashing bush over north korea.....id do the same...but the way i see it...china is the one with the biggest risk from korea...and i dont see them freaking out. this isnt 1951 .....and i dont think it would take us but a month to smash the DRPK using conventional weapons. they said last night that in PUSAN and SOUEL alone over 1 million civilians and military lives could be lost in an opening stage of any DRPK military thrust....

i say......WHY THE **** DIDNT YA FINISH THE JOB IN 1953:huh

[whiteknuckle]

what i cant stand are the idiots (and thats putting it lightly) that dont think we should go to war! and i say first of all these are the "idiots" that no matter what happens they will never want to go to war! anyway i would like to ask these people, how they propose we stop saddam and the rest of the guys? do you all understand that they want to hurt the us? do you people understand they are hiding weapons from us? do you understand that they "WANT" to use them against US? do you understand that they have said they WOULD and ARE GOING TO use them against us? that we have caught them even recently hidig more chemical and biological weapons from us? these are the people that the next time we get bombed and there are 5000 dead americans on the ground on us soil that i want to line up and say! ok idiots it was youre friggin idea to NOT go over there and stop these guys! now you can go apolagize to their families and friends for being an IDIOT! i was in the U.S.A.F. for 4 years and would love to re-enlist just to go kick their butts! some of you anti-war people should be drug out in the streets and shot for being so blind! how do these people propose we stop terrorism? hmmm oh please mr terrorist dont hurt us we wont bother you if you dont bother us please please please! you make me sick!

[Ben]

I think this thread has run its course! Good discussion guys :)

Ben