2010 Laeger TRX250R Project "Elsinore"

[stever250r]

Nice Bars Troy. I love your dedication and patience to have things custom made... Skid Plates, Airbox, Nerfs..etc...

This is truly going to be a one of a kind build. Keep up the good work!!!

[scotturban]

those look sweet, I like how you still have a metal heel guard, but its all open so wont collect dirt like most metal heel gurads

[troybilt]

Here was Steeve's response:


Hi Troy ,

I would like to make those nerfs , I know there is still a market for the 250r and aftermarket chassis but they are very rare around here and I really need the chassis here to build the 1st model , and then make a jig. I like my nerfs to fit really good so thats why i prefer to have the chassis here. I placed an ad on our forum saying that I am looking for one so if I get an answer I will keep you in touch.

thank you ,


Steeve @ F43

[troybilt]

New hoods, tank cover, and shock guard from FW carbon... White hood is probably going on the Saber bike if I keep that bike...

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN1918.jpg
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[rayman375]

I really like how FW has stepped in making parts for the 250R, they will have my business in the future!

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by troybilt
New hoods, tank cover, and shock guard from FW carbon... White hood is probably going on the Saber bike if I keep that bike...

what type of shocks do the guards fit

[troybilt]

They have them for all types of shocks, my shocks are PEP PB1's, and these are for PEP remote rezzy shocks, so we're not sure if they will fit the PB1's or not so I'm trying before I buy... haha...

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by troybilt
They have them for all types of shocks, my shocks are PEP PB1's, and these are for PEP remote rezzy shocks, so we're not sure if they will fit the PB1's or not so I'm trying before I buy... haha... Ive got remote rezi pep so if they dont fit I will but them, let me know

[stever250r]

Those covers look sick!!...Love the color!!

[danhung11]

Looks great Troy! Guess I know what hood I need next, hence the "need"! :D

[Higgy87TRX425]

Hey there, I was the guy that originally asked Jay for the shock guards to fit on my PEP shocks. So I believe that I got one of the first sets (aside from Troybuilt who help make them). So I know that they will fit remote rez Peps, because thats what I have and I already tried them on my shocks!!! I don't know abpout the PB-1s, they should work if the bottom shock stay where the spring rides is the same! They look sweet by the way!! Mine have a Blue weave in them to match the rest of the fourwerx stuff I have!!! I'm diggin that Jays steppin in to keep making the 250r Carbon fiber parts!!! Everyone should buy some!! LOL!

[socal]

Love the shock guards as well.Hopefully soon I will be getting the shock guards and shrouds...Looks good,nearing completion I hope!:p

[troybilt]

Originally posted by Higgy87TRX425
Hey there, I was the guy that originally asked Jay for the shock guards to fit on my PEP shocks. So I believe that I got one of the first sets (aside from Troybuilt who help make them). So I know that they will fit remote rez Peps, because thats what I have and I already tried them on my shocks!!! I don't know abpout the PB-1s, they should work if the bottom shock stay where the spring rides is the same! They look sweet by the way!! Mine have a Blue weave in them to match the rest of the fourwerx stuff I have!!! I'm diggin that Jays steppin in to keep making the 250r Carbon fiber parts!!! Everyone should buy some!! LOL!


So Higgy they mounted ok then? I never got any feedback. I designed the collars that mount to the shocks. Which was hard to do when i didn't have any PEP shocks at the time, just your old collars to go off of.

I think the ones in the pics are the very first ones Jay did. They are thinner construction, I am using them to make sure they fit the PB1's before I buy a set. If anyone is interested I'd suggest hitting Jay up, I know he's got them for all makes of shocks I believe. I think Jay's stuff it gorgeous. ...and yes there is more to come that he's told me about so stay tuned...

[D Bergstrom]

Looking good Troy. I am liking the shock covers, hopefully Jay will make them for Motowoz shocks. Looks like I need to contact him and find out.

Doug

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by D Bergstrom
Looking good Troy. I am liking the shock covers, hopefully Jay will make them for Motowoz shocks. Looks like I need to contact him and find out.

Doug I just ordered a set for the PEP... you might want to check soon ...im sure they are going like hotcakes

[troybilt]

Originally posted by D Bergstrom
Looking good Troy. I am liking the shock covers, hopefully Jay will make them for Motowoz shocks. Looks like I need to contact him and find out.

Doug

Yes let him know if you want some and I'll need the base collars to design a new set for that has the mounts for the shock guard. Not too difficult... just takes a little time.

BTW, do you still want an engine stand for the 450's? I haven't forgot about that...

[J250r]

That silver carbon looks TRICK! Keep up the good work Jay and Troy, I know FWC will be receiving some of my business in the future.

[Higgy87TRX425]

Troybuilt: They seemed to mount up just fine I haven't put them all the way together yet I just popped the collor on the bottom of the shock! It looks like it lines up perfect, so far. They snapped on perfect the only thing left to check is the clearance for the springs when everything is put together. I'll let everyone know when I finish putting these together this weekend. Thanks Higgy!

[etccb]

This thing is going to be something special. Unique (sp).

[troybilt]

how about a some custom designed graphics for my toolbox that match!! :D :D

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/Toolbox_graphics1.jpg

[scotturban]

thats pretty cool lol ^^^

[troybilt]

Update: Project took a major turn this past week... :D :D :D... as does most of my projects, turn into an overly complicated ordeal!!

Well going to run an MX built Saber motor in this bike... ...i.e., actually ported and setup for MX. Motor is going out to Arlan Lehman at LED this late summer early fall, when he's got some breathing room. We talked for a couple hours on how he wanted to set this motor up. I liked that he was excited about the challenge, and I think if anyone could do it he's the guy... He's also going build a custom pipe for this that smoothes out the power, similar to his old LRD LT500 pipes, (which were sweet). Trick is getting it to fit into the Laeger Narrow frame, but he thinks it shouldn't be a problem. He's made custom pipes for this frame in the past.

So this weekend I've been pulling the Curtis Sparks motor and getting it ready for sale, along with the Curtis Sparks MX pipe.

I mocked up the Saber in the frame, and really need to do some sort of custom front motor mount to stiffen the mounting up a tad, this motor is a hoss!!

Also installed some FWC shocks guards on the PB1's, I need to design a new mount cause they don't quite fit, but you can get a good idea how they are going to look.

Lastly, I installed a new PWR radiator and going to run a custom Spal fan with this radiator, it was thinner than the last radiator which allowed more room for the fan. I've also been working on mounting the MSD ignition since it requires more complicated mounting system. Need some Pumashine help to mount the CDI... (got and idea!!)

Check out the pics so far:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN1994.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN1993.jpg
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[mx Eli]

troy I'm kind of confused haha. Is this the saber motor out of your dune quad that you are just useing for mock up? or did do you already have another saber motor for this build?

thanks

[troybilt]

Yes this is that Saber motor.

[hontrx265r]

Over the top!

[Pumashine]

Originally posted by hontrx265r
Over the top!

Yeah, way, way over. But you should be fine. I can see Troy in a couple years. He will have the Saber motor first and build the bike around it LOL!!

[troybilt]

Everybody always says, "the 450 4 strokes have twice the CC's, lets see what a 2 stroke will do with the same CC's..." so I'm attempting to answer that question. :D

I call it the equalizer!!!

[stever250r]

I cant imagine a 5 lap moto with that engine. Talk about a work out.....

The Equalizer.... I like it!!

Sparks Engine for Sale?..... Tell me more....

[troybilt]

Originally posted by stever250r
I cant imagine a 5 lap moto with that engine. Talk about a work out.....

The Equalizer.... I like it!!

Sparks Engine for Sale?..... Tell me more....

Its listed in the classifieds.. see what you think.

[KSRRider]

That is totally trick Troy... (say that three times fast) :)

[atv fan 28]

WOW!! I didnt see that coming!

[troybilt]

Thanks!

Got some more goodies mocked up today. (note I just threw on some paddles so I could take if off the stand... :) )

Here is the skid plate I've been working on with FWC. Looks great!!

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN2015.jpg
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[troybilt]

Some better pics:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN2019-1.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN2017-1.jpg

[KSRRider]

Wow. That is slick. Why don't you and Dan just open a custom quad shop? If the economy was a little better I think you'd have a niche! Unreal build.

[rayman375]

Looks really good! Is there any way you could use countersunk hardware for the glide plate?

[troybilt]

Originally posted by rayman375
Looks really good! Is there any way you could use countersunk hardware for the glide plate?

The hardware is just something I had laying around, I still need to figure that all out. Probably can't recess them much cause that would require a form to make the skid vs. waterjet plate = i.e. much more expensive. Just need some button top style heads on them.

[troybilt]

Originally posted by KSRRider
Wow. That is slick. Why don't you and Dan just open a custom quad shop? If the economy was a little better I think you'd have a niche! Unreal build.

I was thinking we could start our own Discover reality show... building quads. :D

[J250r]

Originally posted by troybilt
I was thinking we could start our own Discover reality show... building quads. :D

That would be awesome! Make sure you hire me to clean up after you guys, lol

[TRUTH]

Fourwerx makes real great stuff, Jay is the man! Looking absolutely beautiful man! Stunning!

[troybilt]

Its actually a 496cc motor. Its a destroked saber. It has a slingshot lock up clutch.. I installed a magura with it and clutch pull is so buttery smooth...

[socal]

Man,what a nice skid!!! From the top looking down it really cleans up the engine compartment and being it is dark,it should clean up really well unlike the aluminum stuff.Nice job! I want!:mad:

[danhung11]

I'd like to be behind you on a whoops section when you lay into the throttle. :D

[troybilt]

I dont know Dan, which is the scarier thought... Riding behind this beast, or throwing a leg over it..

[danhung11]

Originally posted by troybilt
I dont know Dan, which is the scarier thought... Riding behind this beast, or throwing a leg over it..

I'll just hang onto your coat tails, I think my gear will protect me from your roost unless your referring to metal chunks. Kidding! It's going to be a wild ride for sure, just curious as to how the power will come on. Might as well be like those Stefak boys and throw a twist throttle on it. :blah:

[Jesse1980]

any updates Troy?

[Jesse1980]

any updates Troy?

[socal]

any updates Troy?

[troybilt]

Just a few updates, I'll see what pics I have. I'm having a lot of custom parts made right now, so its a waiting game.

1. Mounted a Pusher Spal fan onto my PWR radiator, looks sweet, but I'm having Pumashine build me some radiator relocation brackets to tilt the radiator slightly to get more clearance bw. the fan and the steering stem. Polished Stainless of course!!

2. FWC is making me a custom Carbon fiber MSD CDI mount, I mocked up an aluminum one but I think a CF will look much better.

3. I was able to use one of Pumashine's CR coil mounts to mount the MSD coil perfectly, like it was made for it!!

4. PinitATV is doing ALOT OF WORK for me right now. He's finishing up some adaptor brackets I designed so I can mount my 04/05 450R pegs/nerfs onto my frame.

5. I'm switching swingarms, to a custom 86 style (where it uses a bracket for the swingarm bolt to go thru for the rear motor mount). Pinit is modifying a CR500 swingarm for me. We both thought that with the monster motor we need to really stiffen the frame and improve the motor mounts. The CR500 link frames don't have the last most motor mount. So we are making on.

6. Pinit and I are also working on a custom "sub" frame that connects the front motor mounts to the frame headstay. The Saber motor doesn't use a headstay, and the motor is so large that the custom Laeger style headstay I had made for it without the brackets to connect to the motor, still doesn't fit.

7. Been working on a lot of graphics lately, and decided to redo my graphics some. Just playing with some ideas I had.

As you can see the headstay doesn't fit:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN1992.jpg

Here is the mocked up MSD CDI bracket, getting a FWC one made for it.
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN2007.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN1993.jpg

Here is the spal fan installed:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN2088.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN2087.jpg

[trx/lt500r]

6. Pinit and I are also working on a custom "sub" frame that connects the front motor mounts to the frame headstay. The Saber motor doesn't use a headstay, and the motor is so large that the custom Laeger style headstay I had made for it without the brackets to connect to the motor, still doesn't fit.

Troy,
I don't post much but follow the builds. Can you tell us more about this sub frame? Can't get a good idea what it would look like.

Thanks

[trx/lt500r]

6. Pinit and I are also working on a custom "sub" frame that connects the front motor mounts to the frame headstay. The Saber motor doesn't use a headstay, and the motor is so large that the custom Laeger style headstay I had made for it without the brackets to connect to the motor, still doesn't fit.

Troy,
I don't post much but follow the builds. Can you tell us more about this sub frame? Can't get a good idea what it would look like.

Thanks

[troybilt]

Originally posted by trx/lt500r
6. Pinit and I are also working on a custom "sub" frame that connects the front motor mounts to the frame headstay. The Saber motor doesn't use a headstay, and the motor is so large that the custom Laeger style headstay I had made for it without the brackets to connect to the motor, still doesn't fit.

Troy,
I don't post much but follow the builds. Can you tell us more about this sub frame? Can't get a good idea what it would look like.

Thanks

I think I have a pic of a model I mocked-up for conversation.. I'll try and find that. But basically we want to connect the front motor mounts to the headstay. Similar to a Laeger CR500 motor frame, only the uprights are removable instead of welded in... and the motor connects to them, instead of those flimsy bend motor mounts... the motor is going to be putting out considerable Hp, which the frame would be fine if it was a drag or duner. Currently there is only the 2 motor mounts on the bottom and the front motor mounts that hold the motor, I cannot use a headstay with the saber top end. So that's not enough for this engine, I'm afraid...

[trx/lt500r]

I am interested to see the design. Very nice build.

[troybilt]

When we get closer to finished I'll post a pic. I'm afraid my models won't make much sense unless you see it in a frame.

[Higgy87TRX425]

My radiator fan is located on the other side of the radiator. I noticed that yours is located on the front? Which is better and why? Also how are you gonna power your fan. Will you be able to run it right off of the MSD ignition or coil? I'm not to familiar with wiring and what it takes to set up lights and anything aftermarket that needs power to run. I have the CR 250 set-up on my bike. DO you know what it will take to run lights and a fan on my bike?

[DnB_racing]

Originally posted by Higgy87TRX425
My radiator fan is located on the other side of the radiator. I noticed that yours is located on the front? Which is better and why? Im just guessing here, but it looks like a clearance issue with the frame on the inside, if there is another reason, Troy let me know, but this is my guess

but as far as which cools better, i would say the best is to pull extra air through the radiator instead of pushing it through, again if clearance allows,

but notice Troy is using a pushing not pulling fan,

obviously you have to use different types for front push and back pull

[troybilt]

I would have prefered to pull the air thru but with a narrow frame the uprights from the frame are too close and the fan doesn't fit. So I went with a pusher fan. I still had to tilt the radiator slightly to fit right. I'll be running a fullspectrum battery setup for powering the fan and the MSD, not running lights (but will have leads for possible lights) charging the battery with a 200w stator...

[Higgy87TRX425]

So I'd need to change my stator and use a battery to run the fan and lights. As for my fan, it just barely fits inside of the frame with like 1/8th of an inch clearance from that down tube. I'm not sure if I wanna run lights on my bike, but I'd to be able to if I decide I want to somewhere down the road. Thanks for the info guys. I may have some more questions here soon. Thanks Higgy!

[troybilt]

Here is the Nerfs mounted up. These are Factory43 nerfs for an 04/05 450r. I designed the stainless adaptors for the pegs, and the aluminum cross tube support. Feels very sturdy. I used my stock 89 bike to locate the leading edge of the peg in the exact locations. Feels great, and the nerfs have lots of heel room which I like. I never understood why not all nerfs are mounted this way on the front. The cross tube support is the cleanest mount I've used.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN2116.jpg
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[54warrior]

Great Build! Enjoyed reading through every page.

are you gonna update your tags to an 2011 model???!?!?!?!

[troybilt]

Thanks!!

Nope, not planning on updating the 2010 tag on it... haha... took me a little longer than expected to complete... it will be 2012 Spring to finish this bike. Started in May 2010.

[mx Eli]

Troy you might have the longest build thread on here

[troybilt]

Its possible... taking way too long to complete, but that's cause I changed plans a few times...

[rollie]

nice build! steeve builds some nice stuff!!!

[hartwill]

Hey Troybilt this build is looking sweet, cant wait to see the finished product. maybe I missed it in the post but, I was just wondering your reasoning for mounting the fan on the front of the radiator instead of behind? Probly a clearance issue, It just seems much more susceptible to damage in that location, as well as your radiator since you probly wont be able to run any gaurds. I know your gonna need all the air flow you can get with that behemoth of a motor though, lol. keep up the good work.

[troybilt]

Will, the Laeger narrow frame, has narrow rails behind the radiator that won't allow you mount a fan behind the radiator, unless it was a small 4" one or something.

I'm still contemplating on the motors again. So not sure what I'm going to do yet.

[C41Xracer]

Originally posted by troybilt
I'm still contemplating on the motors again. So not sure what I'm going to do yet.

Troy go big or go home:D a 450 2stroke will be a handfull on the track for sure

[troybilt]

Sending the Saber off this week to see what I'm dealing with. Then plan to make a decision to either tune that motor for a monster mx motor or build a new 350-370 PV mx motor instead and sell the Saber. Stay tuned.

Elsinore is coming along. Plan to have it finished by the first part of next year. Once the motor details are finalized I can finish out the other odds and ends. Progress, Progress!!

[312R1]

Looking good Troy!!

[socal]

Did you see something we havent seen in quite some time??????? J/K:devil:

[rayman375]

Originally posted by 312R1
Looking good Troy!!
Whoa! Where have you been? It's been a while since I've seen you around here. You have another R? How's the mustang coming along?

[312R1]

Originally posted by rayman375
Whoa! Where have you been? It's been a while since I've seen you around here. You have another R? How's the mustang coming along?


I'm good the wife and I just had our third child..:D We bought a new house, been working like crazy and now it's layoff time so I have some free time.;)

No R in the future..I sold the stang, desided to get to change projects again..getting back into street bikes. In a few years I plan on buying a Shelby mustang.:cool:

[rayman375]

Congrats on the new baby and new house!

[troybilt]

Originally posted by 312R1
Looking good Troy!!

Thanks Steve, glad to see you back here from time to time...


Update: changing powder on the frame, I have the bike all stripped down again.. :D I just didn't like the primer gray look, it was supposed to be gun metal.... but Don't worry new powder is going to be similar and nothing else is changing.

Also sending some parts off to get anodized gold, just some accent pieces.

Motor has been sent off, just a waiting game at this point!

[socal]

Yea,gray is tricky!A friend tried that on his A-arms and swingarm,his also looks primered,he's also going to re coat!Good thing you are changing it,you would have kicked yourself forever...:p :p

[dustinshuler]

Hey Troy what rim/tire combo do you plan on running since this is a mx build? Also If you dont care to call me I wanted to ask you a couple questions about carbon fiber stuff among other things?

[troybilt]

Originally posted by dustinshuler
Hey Troy what rim/tire combo do you plan on running since this is a mx build? Also If you dont care to call me I wanted to ask you a couple questions about carbon fiber stuff among other things?

Sure Dustin, pm me your # or I can pm you mine...

Tire rim combo: I've bought a set of tech 3's Hipers dual beadlock 8" rears, and plan to run DWT Goldspeed SX tires, (buddy Jay at FWC has kind of talked me into that tire/wheel combo)... Also considering going with DWT Champion in a box wheels... So I might run the Hipers for dunes... not 100% sure yet.

[troybilt]

Couple of small updates:

Got my anodized parts done. (still in the mail) but here is some pics of a few of the parts I had done in an Anodized gold....

BEFORE:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN2292.jpg

AFTER:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSC_0095.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSC_0092.jpg

[troybilt]

Also Jay at FWC has been working on a totally new hood for the 250r. I just received the first unit for my build. The pics don't do the hood justice. It is a sick looking hood...

Note, I switched powder colors on my frame so I'm going with the traditional black carbon vs. the silver carbon. Also notice the anodized black grill... :devil:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN2335.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN2334.jpg

[troybilt]

Lastly, Superman hooked me up with some Zinc coating, can't thank Ryan enough!!

Nothing like 40 lbs of fresh OEM bolts! haha... :D

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/120111164959.jpg
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[pdxbigfoot]

Love that hood Troy! About time someone broke the mold.
Thank you!

[scotturban]

the gold is sick!

[socal]

I'm loving the hood as well, any word on production? Everything looks fantastic!

[HondaPohl]

Badass!

[J250r]

i just had an explosion in my pants

[troybilt]

Originally posted by socal
I'm loving the hood as well, any word on production? Everything looks fantastic!

Thanks!!

Not sure when production starts, you'd need to pm Jay, as I have no idea. I assume they are ready now.. (??)

[troybilt]

Originally posted by socal
I'm loving the hood as well, any word on production? Everything looks fantastic!

I talked to J, he said he had a few more of those hoods. I'd suggest PM'ing him if you want one.

[troybilt]

Elsinore Part II

Went a different route on the powder. Its a deep charcoal metallic. Almost gunmetal color. This was just about the original color I wanted. See what you think... The gold looks killer with it.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/DSCN2384.jpg
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[troybilt]

Starting to come alive with the gold:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/DSCN2390.jpg
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[troybilt]

Every bolt is recoated or brand new Titanium, here is my Ti swingarm bolt from Fourwerx Carbon... gorgeous!!

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/DSCN2397.jpg
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[troybilt]

Swingarm and shock coming together:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/DSCN2406.jpg
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[troybilt]

I experimented with Anodized gold bumper. I coated my brand new Rath bumper. It looks great, but not perfect. The welds were not the exact 6061 aluminum so they showed up a little darker. I'm actually designing and building my own bumper similar to the original Hondaline bumper, but more of an MX style. Stay tuned!!

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[croat1]

troy:
looks alot better than the gray primer looking powder.
what rear shock resi holder is that?

[troybilt]

Lastly for tonight, I mocked up my anodized gold airbox. I still need to design more permanent mounts for it, the ones that came with it were crappy.

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[troybilt]

Originally posted by croat1
troy:
looks alot better than the gray primer looking powder.
what rear shock resi holder is that?

Its an SF Racing/PEP rezzi holder that I anodized.

[troybilt]

BEFORE:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/DSCN0790.jpg
AFTER:
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[socal]

MUCH better, lookin sweet! Too bad the bumper didnt come out as planned! Although I do think your Hondaline replica will look better! My friend is thinking of anodizing a set of beadlocks for his 86 MX/factory replica! Is there a certain color/code?

[dustinshuler]

Troy, I love it. It looks great and I can't wait to see it come together!

[Higgy87TRX425]

Your bike looks sick , but I think that you have the same issue that I have. Everything has to be perfect and its not then it will need to be redone until its 100% to ur liking!! It may be a little anal, but thats just how it is. I know that I'll never stand behind a pile of garbage that's half *** put together and be like "I built that", lol! While everyone else looking at it is thinking "yeah so I could an APE with some duct tape, silicone and satety wire!!
What I'm saying is it always seems to take longer to have things done the right way, but in the end you'll always be happier with it and feel better about what you built. I guess it doen't matter if everyone else likes it as long as you like it, because thats who ur building it for !!! It sure is nice to get those compliments though, lol!
Sick build I really wanna see it come together man. You take longer then I do, ha ha!
Happy Holidays Higgy

[D Bergstrom]

Looks good Troy. I liked the old frame color, but the new does look better. You still going to build that Puma motor for this?

I know you had a "2010 model" sticker for the frame, who did you get it from? (I would look myself, but I don't want to look through 35 pages!) I would like to get a "2011" sticker for my LSR frame, so far the only thing I have found is a guy on ebay selling them for $30 something, don't really want to pay that much for just a sticker.

The Parker 250 is next weekend, will be racing on my 450R. You still planning a desert build?

Doug

[troybilt]

Originally posted by D Bergstrom
Looks good Troy. I liked the old frame color, but the new does look better. You still going to build that Puma motor for this?

I know you had a "2010 model" sticker for the frame, who did you get it from? (I would look myself, but I don't want to look through 35 pages!) I would like to get a "2011" sticker for my LSR frame, so far the only thing I have found is a guy on ebay selling them for $30 something, don't really want to pay that much for just a sticker.

The Parker 250 is next weekend, will be racing on my 450R. You still planning a desert build?

Doug


Thanks for all of the nice compliments!! It is taking much longer than expected. Mostly due to the motor changes.

I plan to run a Saber motor actually. I know what most are thinking and that is an overkill of a motor. But the Saber is being build like no other. It is being detuned alot and setup for lots and lots of torque. I wanted a motor that ran like my 450 did but still be a 2 stroke. There will be plenty of drag 310's and 330's making more hp that I will. But I wanted to do something unique. There is no replacement for displacement!

I get all of my frame stickers from Harlan Lysne. email: hjlysne@charter.net I think it was around 16-20 bucks for the entire set. The 2010 stickers were custom made and were a little extra but he can do any year. 2010 is long gone for this build, I will need 2012 stickers... haha...

Yes I'm still planning on building a bike for Parker 250. It will be a 250r, but I've been working on my own frame design.

[troybilt]

Originally posted by socal
MUCH better, lookin sweet! Too bad the bumper didnt come out as planned! Although I do think your Hondaline replica will look better! My friend is thinking of anodizing a set of beadlocks for his 86 MX/factory replica! Is there a certain color/code?

I'm sure there is I don't have it though. I'll ask and see. I just sent a part that was gold and told them to match it.

[D Bergstrom]

Thanks Troy, I will send Harlan an e-mail here in the next couple of days.

I knew you had a Saber motor, don't know why I said Puma, I was a little tired last night! I like the idea of you building the Saber, like you said, it will be unique.

Don't worry about this build taking a while, I can already tell my LSR build is going to take ALOT longer then I thought it would. Biggest problem for me is motor also, I wanted to run a CT 350 PV top end. Have been speaking to Allen quite a bit lately, getting some stuff for my 700XX done. He has no 350PV's in stock, has been out for a while, he has already used every spare part he has to get others up and running. Sounds like Pro-X isn't in a big hurry to produce anymore. I may just have to put my 330 top end back together so I have something to ride. I have a feeling it will be a while for a CT 350PV, and I am not sure I want a ESR 350PV, but might be my only option. Have to call Allen again next week, hopefully he will have some more info, as he was going to talk to Pro-X last week.

Doug

[250Renvy]

Originally posted by D Bergstrom
He has no 350PV's in stock, has been out for a while, he has already used every spare part he has to get others up and running. Sounds like Pro-X isn't in a big hurry to produce anymore. I may just have to put my 330 top end back together so I have something to ride. I have a feeling it will be a while for a CT 350PV, and I am not sure I want a ESR 350PV, but might be my only option. Have to call Allen again next week, hopefully he will have some more info, as he was going to talk to Pro-X last week.

Doug

Doug, if you are building a desert racer, why not get a cpi sphynx 350? CPI is the company that makes pro-x so I'm sure they are onto what they consider a newer better design in the sphynx and puma setups. They are built for going all out. I believe a pv can be added to the sphynx but not the puma.

Troy, Believe me when I say I know how it is with a build taking a long time. I believe from the time I ordered my HRE frame till now is going on 4 years. I only had it in my possession for a little over a year and I was too busy and had too little money to put toward it last year.
I should be well on it's way to being done besides the motor by spring. I don't know if I'll get a thread upto 30+ pages though.

[troybilt]

Doug, I was going to suggest a Sphinx cylinder as well... I know Arlan builds a mean 350 Sphinx motor.

Worked on the bike somemore today. Basically have a few odds and ends, but mostly just waiting on my motor to get finished.

Mounted the shocks/guards, Protrax +4, axle, brakes, tank...

Oh, looking for an aluminum tank if any one has any suggestions. The Silver Carbon cover is forsale!

Enjoy!

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[troybilt]

Came up with a nice little solution to my airbox mounting problem. Check it out, works and looks great!!

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[troybilt]

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[troybilt]

The Pumashine CR coil mount works great with the MSD ignition coil!! Score!

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[troybilt]

Here is the overall with the tank mounted and the FWC seat. I'm kind of at a holding pattern, until I get my tax return... :D

Items left:

Hipers front
DWT Tires
FB fenders
finish graphics

Got something fresh designed up on the graphics front, but I'm going to hold until the bike is done to show them off! :devil:

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[QuadforceDavid]

Fantastic attention to detail. It's been a pleasure watching this build for all this time. Can't wait to see it done.

Very nice job!

Do you happen to know if SF makes those res holders for other brands or does he do them just for the PEP's?

[troybilt]

Originally posted by QuadforceDavid
Fantastic attention to detail. It's been a pleasure watching this build for all this time. Can't wait to see it done.

Very nice job!

Do you happen to know if SF makes those res holders for other brands or does he do them just for the PEP's?

Thanks! Much appreciated. Its been a blast building it as well.

Rezzi holder, I'm not sure to be honest... Seth might chime in here, if not I've got his email.

[312R1]

Looks damn good Troy...Frontend is sexy!!

[sameltoe]

David, C&D also has them... That's where I got mine for the axis and stadium size bottles.

Awsome Troy love it so far man!!

[D Bergstrom]

Does the 350PV kit on LED's website use a Sphinx cylinder? I forgot all about LED, I remember looking at that 350PV kit many months ago. Guess I have to give Arlan a call and see what he can do for me. My only problem is, I probably can't afford it, I know those Sphinx cylinders are $$$.

I think you and I are wanting the same thing out of a motor Troy. I love the top end of my 330, just wish it had a little more bottom to smooth the powerband out some, hoping a Power Valve will help with that.

More great pics, that airbox mounting turned out pretty good!

Doug

[QuadforceDavid]

Originally posted by sameltoe
David, C&D also has them... That's where I got mine for the axis and stadium size bottles.

Awsome Troy love it so far man!!

Thanks Sam! You gonna be at Snake Hunt this year?

[troybilt]

Originally posted by D Bergstrom
Does the 350PV kit on LED's website use a Sphinx cylinder? I forgot all about LED, I remember looking at that 350PV kit many months ago. Guess I have to give Arlan a call and see what he can do for me. My only problem is, I probably can't afford it, I know those Sphinx cylinders are $$$.

I think you and I are wanting the same thing out of a motor Troy. I love the top end of my 330, just wish it had a little more bottom to smooth the powerband out some, hoping a Power Valve will help with that.

More great pics, that airbox mounting turned out pretty good!

Doug

Doug, When I last talked to Arlan. He wasn't doing a 350PV out of the Sphinx cylinder. He was still building the 350PVs from the ProX cylinders. He builds a 350 that can be setup for woods/MX out of the Sphinx but was not a PV. He said it wouldn't be cost effective to do a PV in the Sphinx setup. His words...

As far as motor, I guess I'm getting lazy... but I liked the ability to basically leave my 450r in 3rd and hammer the trails/track etc... Letting the motor bog, etc... and using that torque. I want to build a 2 stroke that can to the same thing, but still have a little of the top end that 2 strokes are famous for.

[J250r]

Troy,

This thing is so cool. Everything is PERFECT. The new frame color looks MUCH better, and the gold annodized parts look awesome. I can't wait to see the finished product. It's builds like these (and Higgy's, etc) that keep me unsatisfied with my machine, so thank you!

[mattl31]

Lookin' great Troy! Wouldn't mind coming by sometime to take a peek at it.

Frame color looks familiar ;)

[troybilt]

Originally posted by mattl31
Lookin' great Troy! Wouldn't mind coming by sometime to take a peek at it.

Frame color looks familiar ;)

Anytime Matt... swing by and have a beer! haha...

[stever250r]

That anodizing looks absolutely fantastic Troy! Its so nice to see others making progress.... It's the motivation and push I need to try and make some type of significant progress on mine.

It looks Great!!!

[mattl31]

Originally posted by troybilt
Anytime Matt... swing by and have a beer! haha...

got any parts I can take off your hands that'll fit the ole' fo-hundee?

It's down for an engine build right now, and im itching for another project haha...

[troybilt]

Originally posted by mattl31
got any parts I can take off your hands that'll fit the ole' fo-hundee?

It's down for an engine build right now, and im itching for another project haha...

I have an entire 08 450r stripped down that I'm parting out... :D Fox floats, podium, etc..

[mattl31]

ohhhh, i see! lets talk :devil:

[cartman0102]

Wow, congratulations man! I've never seen anything so accomplished, thought to detail! I want to see this thing finished! But do not go too fast. Continue in the state of the art!

This machine will be the most beautiful ever built 250R! Do not ride with lol.


Congratulations, the job is beautiful! The parts are to the top it is!


Sorry for my bad English.

[troybilt]

Thanks Cartman! Appreciate the nice compliments!

[hartwill]

Troy, I disagree with the above statement. I think you should hurry up, the suspence is killing me. I really think you should start pulling all nighters until its finished. Lol, but in all honesty that is a much better frame color. Great work sir..

[troybilt]

Originally posted by hartwill
Troy, I disagree with the above statement. I think you should hurry up, the suspence is killing me. I really think you should start pulling all nighters until its finished. Lol, but in all honesty that is a much better frame color. Great work sir..

Thanks Will. It would be finished already if I didn't run out of $$.. I can only do a little at a time. Getting closer though. Plan is to be completed by end of March for the annual 250r Dune trip. Biggest hurdle will be the motor and custom hand coned exhaust.

[hartwill]

Can I ask who made or is making your custom graphics kit?

[troybilt]

Originally posted by hartwill
Can I ask who made or is making your custom graphics kit?

That would be me... :D

[hartwill]

You wanna make some money?:) it Will help fund your build.lol....

[troybilt]

Originally posted by hartwill
You wanna make some money?:) it Will help fund your build.lol....

Sure, but I've had a lot of people ask me to do some graphics for them, and spent alot of time doing them only to have them back out last minute. PM me if you want me to work on something for you.

[trx250r1]

Fella this quad is simply amazin. I wz bout 2 say if it wznt 4 my wife i'd build 1 lke this bt if it wznt 4 my wife i prob wudnt hve the quads i'v got now.

[mx Eli]

please use complete spelling as I'm texting 15 year old and had a hard time understanding that

[leager-n-ky]

Yes Sir, I have to agree with everyone else, Friken SWEET !!!!!

[leager-n-ky]

42,408 views.
382 replies.
39 pages.
When are we gonna make this a " Sticky " ?????????

[trx250r1]

Originally posted by mx Eli
please use complete spelling as I'm texting 15 year old and had a hard time understanding that

Sorry mx Eli. You are actually the 2nd person that's told me that couldn't understand. Thanks for sayin please. You don't hear that word from most 15 year old kids

[troybilt]

Originally posted by leager-n-ky
Yes Sir, I have to agree with everyone else, Friken SWEET !!!!!

Thank you sir!

There is A-LOT of sweet bikes in this little nook of a forum! haha... Its been a blast to build so far.

[troybilt]

Originally posted by trx250r1
Oh my goodness! Once again I have managed to offend someone by using short hand. Guess I just need to keep my coments to myself!

Thanks for the compliments, much appreciated! :D

[trx250r1]

Originally posted by troybilt
Thanks for the compliments, much appreciated! :D

No doubt! I was just on the other site looking for this thread like a dummy so I could show it to my wife. Took 5 mins for me to realize it was on this site.

[YFZ_Racer42]

Awesome built so far Troy!! If you still use the 450R rear caliper, be sure to put your airbox as high as you can because it will do some damage to your airbox if you come up short on a big jump!! It happened on my Roll Design, with the same airbox you have!! ;)

[troybilt]

Originally posted by YFZ_Racer42
Awesome built so far Troy!! If you still use the 450R rear caliper, be sure to put your airbox as high as you can because it will do some damage to your airbox if you come up short on a big jump!! It happened on my Roll Design, with the same airbox you have!! ;)

Thanks I'll keep that mind, I sure don't want to dent up my airbox... LOL! Didn't think of that with the 450r calipers...

Well I wasn't going to post these pics until I was done with them. But I've been working on my own design of bumper and I just love it.. Its only tacked together but I think it looks perfect. It will be chromed when finished. Waiting on my TIG welder right now...

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[dlunn]

Troy that is an awesome looking bumper. Did you bend it yourself? If so great job.

You need to start a business and start mass production:).

[troybilt]

Maybe someday ;)... but yes I did the design, bend, and eventually weld myself, with the help of trs9102....

[dlunn]

What are you using for a tube bender?

[mx Eli]

Originally posted by trx250r1
Sorry mx Eli. You are actually the 2nd person that's told me that couldn't understand. Thanks for sayin please. You don't hear that word from most 15 year old kids

haha dont be sorry just trying to make stuff easier for the old timers:p all kidding aside, being in high school i know what you mean...

sorry back to thread!

[troybilt]

Originally posted by dlunn
What are you using for a tube bender?

JD2 model 4 bender

[rayman375]

Everything is looking really good. Where did you get your parts anodized?

[trx250r1]

any updates on the Factory43 nerfbars for the 250r?

[troybilt]

I haven't mentioned anything to Steeve about making them for the 250r, recently. There was interest when I talked to him several months ago.

[trx250r1]

ok thanks. i'll prob jus get some new ac mx nerfs. let me know when you start selling some of your items.

[troybilt]

Hiper Tech 3's front/rear Maxxis Razrcross tires.

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[troybilt]

Here's the project I'm pretty excited about, this is an aluminum tank I'm working on. I designed this on CAD, and then mocked it up with poster board. Looks and fits perfectly. Last pictures of the tank is with a heavy rubber coating so I could drill into it. Best part it uses the existing stock mounts front and rear. I just received my brand new TIG welder so I'm going to start on these soon, along with the bumper. I sold the house so I have a few weeks/months where I'll be in transition but then can get back to work on my bike....

This is the first iteration of tank I'm working on, the 2nd generation I actually lowered the CG significantly... should be a nice improvement. More to follow.

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[leager-n-ky]

I Like the tire choice

[Higgy87TRX425]

I haven't checked out your build in a while. Why did you decide to build a gas tank? Does it hold more gas or did you just wanna trick your bike out more? Either way the bumper looks sick, you're gonna chrome it right? I'll be checkin out that tank when its done! What size motor are you gonna go with to finish off this beast, are you still planning on using that Saber or a variation of it??
Thanks Higgy

[troybilt]

Yes I plan to increase the size of the tank for the Saber motor. It will be a 496 Saber motor and is being messaged over right now, basically detuning the motor way back for MX style riding. It will still be a torque monster.

[Higgy87TRX425]

I can't wait to see it done or at least finished enough to ride, because I now know that they're never really finished. You get close and then you find something else to improve, lol! I guess thats just how it works. I have most of or at least the start of a Saber motor. 2 cylinders, new cases, a crank and a carb and a Pipe. I need to buy a Tranny, slingshot lockout clutch, and a CR ingnition. So there at least $1200, ouch! ha ha ! That build will be after my LRD build is finished. I am curious to see what kinda power that ur Saber will make!! Even detuned it should be a beast!! I'm subscribed so I'll be watchin ya!
Thanks Higgy

[socal]

Lookin real sweet!!! The wheel/tire choice will look perfect! I like the tank idea! Are you going to leave it exposed or run a cover?

[troybilt]

Originally posted by socal
Lookin real sweet!!! The wheel/tire choice will look perfect! I like the tank idea! Are you going to leave it exposed or run a cover?

its going to be exposed, I want to add the green stripe to it possibly like the 74 Elsinore tanks... I might try it anyway and see how it looks... :) Either way it will be exposted aluminum..

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Project%20Elsinore/73ElsinoreLeftSide.gif

[hontrx265r]

Do you have plastic for this bike?

[troybilt]

Originally posted by hontrx265r
Do you have plastic for this bike?

Not yet, need some white FB's...

[hontrx265r]

Don't make the tank till you have the plastic.

[troybilt]

Originally posted by hontrx265r
Don't make the tank till you have the plastic.

Pinit is making the tank right now and has all kinds of plastic, bikes frames, etc...

[socal]

YES def go for the stripe, obviously matching the width of the seat! Do you have a final on graphics yet! Oh yea, when this is complete, contact the magazines for a possible story!!!

[troybilt]

Originally posted by socal
YES def go for the stripe, obviously matching the width of the seat! Do you have a final on graphics yet! Oh yea, when this is complete, contact the magazines for a possible story!!!

I have the graphics pretty much finalized. I didn't want to show them yet until the bike is complete.. :devil:

[hontrx265r]

Gotcha, you said you were getting the tig so I figured you were welding the tank. Yea he should be good to go.

[Higgy87TRX425]

Since the old Elsinore's have gray or silver fenders, I would think that you would go with silver fullbore insted? Either way aa exposed polished aluninum tank would look good!
Thanks Higgy

[liverideatv]

Who did your anodizing? I am very interested. Thanks, Dallas

[Skyman]

Troy, could you help me with the color code and maker of the gold on your front bumper? Ive been looking for a maker of a gold powder that is close old honda Glamis Gold. Your bumper looks the closest I've seen to the original 250r glamis gold.
BTW: Elsinore is looking good!

[beerock]

nice build troy.

one thing you might want to redesign is the skidplate. if you keep it like that its only gonna take one or two digs into something hard to rip it apart.and it will act like a shovel and sand will be in the pan

1. have it go all the way to the front of the frame and angle up by the bumper, kind of like the ac skid plates

2. a cut out for your oil drain(if you want)

I don't understand why you have a fan of any kind on the bike. I dont know how much flow the fan does but I think at 3rd to fourth gear the fan will be blocking free airflow to the radiator and may have less flow and more heat then without it. you already have an oversized radiator? so why the fan?

I like the classic style graphics I think it looks cleaner without fourtrax or 250r near the sides of the hood

def like the black better then the grey for the frame

good idea chromng the subrame over what it was with pcoat

Also, I had all my billit parts polished and had them pcoated with a clear red flake powder coat and all the parts still look great they may not shine as much but its minimal compared to non pcoated polished parts and the keep up for the pcoated polish parts is just like cleaning the rest of the bike back to new..

I like the airbox mounting clamps, keep in mind you may have to move the airbox further forward and the oem airbox tabs may get in the way of the clamps. hopefully they wont.. dont be surprised if your swingarm comes up and bashes your airbox either I did nothing with my cfm aluminum airbox because I knew it would happen eventualy..

one other thing about the airbox... theres no cut out area for the chain, my cfm has that...you might want to address this sooner then later or your air box will get destroyed. take the shock out and bring the swinger up all the way with the engine mounted and chain installed. to verify this. even with the cut out for the chain mine still has scrapes on it and it has worn through... even with the chain roller guide

Heres something that may make you want to redo the frame again... my laeger frame has pro peg mounts in front and back so I just slide the pegs on and bolt them up. you can make your frame trick by taking out the mount for the front of the pegs and get a chromoly bar that will fit with minimal clearance into your pro pegs and put the chromoly pipe into the propegs and spot weld the new bar onto the frame. I uploaded a pic of the pro pegs on my frame. ALSO this may give you a place for the saber motor mounts? not sure on that...

You could always redesign the head stay or the saber and have it curve around the head with about a 1/2" clearance and have tabs to mount to two of the cylinder head bolts, by replacing the capped nuts with regular nuts so you can double nut the head to mount to the headstay.

I have heard of too many people spending countless hours trying to lower vibration on cr500 motors and the like(non counterbalanced motors) even with rubber mounts and the vibration is still insane and numbs the hands.... if you don't rubber mount it you will be sure to crack the frame and even with rubber dont be surprised if it cracks your frame. I know it seems impossible with rubber but it has happened with cr500 motors....


put it this way, even with a trx250r counter balanced motor, if you have a titanium frame the bike will still vibrate so much that even my friend who had two of them got rid of them because of the vibration from his trx410 motor...(as well as cracking them)-easier then chromoly

the point of telling you that is the chromoly frame absorbs a lot of vibration but non counterbalanced motors still crack them and if you plan on making some type of motor mount for the saber try to use the stock locations as much as possible. Im not trying to discourage you just letting you know.

Please don't take any of these thoughts as offensive to your build. I just want you to be aware and congratulate you on your endeavor into the Rdome hehe

[beerock]

oops forgot the pic

[troybilt]

Originally posted by Skyman
Troy, could you help me with the color code and maker of the gold on your front bumper? Ive been looking for a maker of a gold powder that is close old honda Glamis Gold. Your bumper looks the closest I've seen to the original 250r glamis gold.
BTW: Elsinore is looking good!

Skyman, that gold is annodized, not powdered. I'm not sure what the gold is, I had them match a part I sent along. Thanks! Troy

[troybilt]

Beerock. Thanks for the suggestions! Definitely a work in progress... I'm on the road, ill reply to your questions when I get more time... may make more sense... etc.. thanks! Nice to see you back around the R section

[beerock]

Originally posted by troybilt
Beerock. Thanks for the suggestions! Definitely a work in progress... I'm on the road, ill reply to your questions when I get more time... may make more sense... etc.. thanks! Nice to see you back around the R section

thanks! I had gone on hiatus for a while it seems a lot of folks on here say the same thing, there glad I'm back and I appreciate that!

[pepshocks]

What size shocks r u running? Just wondering cuz I'm building a Barry hawk replica bike now with laeger narrow frame n plan on running 16 e
3/4 pep's zps. Wasn't sure if they will fit , originally had 16 1/4

[Higgy87TRX425]

Maybe its just me, but I was under the impression that if you were gonna run Longer A-arms in the front that you were looking at running like a 19 1/4" shocks LT!! Now I cold be mistaken, but thats what I thought? However I know normally the longer the length of the A-Arm , you run,the longer the length of the shock, you need to run with it! Now with stock length A-arms maybe you can run like a 16 3/4" shock? I'm not sure so someone "PLEASE" someone answer this so we can both be enlightened??
Thanks Higgy!

[pepshocks]

Yea alot of the gncc guys were running the stock travel frOnt ends on the narrow laegers.

[troybilt]

Yes my shocks are 19.25" I believe. I'd have to remeasure to be sure.

[beerock]

the only reason to run a shock short like that would be for TT???

[pepshocks]

That is stock size, hawk n this guys were running standard travel fronts and 500 linkage set up rear

[slamdak8782]

I just read all 43 pages. Took a break on this thread so I could read it all. The suspense was killing me. Well I just want to say that it looks totally awesome. I really like the custom nerfs. Also the gold really makes the bike pop. So many custom parts on there its really staggering. The builds on here lately have been totally blowing my mind!

[troybilt]

Thanks Slamdak, more to come!

Here is a teaser on the aluminum tank! I designed the tank and pinitatv is building it...

Check it out!

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/photo.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/photo2.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/photo1.jpg

[hontrx265r]

Looks awesome... keep it up...and hurry up with this thing already.. Its going to be the 2020 build haha.

[troybilt]

Getting closer, prototype tank is finished, other than breather, and leak test. 496 Motor is done, wanting on the custom hand coned big bore MX pipe, pics coming soon.

Jody at PinitATV is the man! Awesome work, just about perfect.

Tank, enjoy!
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/IMG_0105.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/IMG_0104.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/IMG_0103.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/IMG_0102.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/IMG_0101.jpg

[liverideatv]

That tank is beautiful! Who made it??

[ytman]

Awesome! That looks like alot of cuttin' and fittin' right there. Fabbing a tank is something I've always wanted to do. Nice job. Tons of work.

[Motofool250r]

Troy whos building your MX pipe? LED?

[D Bergstrom]

That tank looks awesome Troy. Do you know how many gallons it holds? Wonder if Jody would be interested in building anymore.

Doug

[troybilt]

Originally posted by D Bergstrom
That tank looks awesome Troy. Do you know how many gallons it holds? Wonder if Jody would be interested in building anymore.

Doug

I'm talking with Jody about building a run of them. 4 or 5. I'll let you know what we find out.

[troybilt]

Originally posted by D Bergstrom
That tank looks awesome Troy. Do you know how many gallons it holds? Wonder if Jody would be interested in building anymore.

Doug

This particular one holds ~3 gal. I working on others that are larger capacity.

[troybilt]

Originally posted by Motofool250r
Troy whos building your MX pipe? LED?

I'm not sure who is building the pipe. My builder is working that.

[socal]

That tank looks sweet! Cant wait to see it bolted up! Nothing like the look of some nice beads layed down!

[beerock]

Mount the tank, front and rear plastics and take pics of it. I'm curious what it will look like

[troybilt]

Originally posted by beerock
Mount the tank, front and rear plastics and take pics of it. I'm curious what it will look like


Maybe Pinit will post some pics on his build with the tank mounted. I'm far from it at this point. I still need to purchase the FB fenders.

[mx91a]

Originally posted by troybilt
I'm not sure who is building the pipe. My builder is working that.

I thought Arlan was building the engine?

[J250r]

I'm really itching for some updates on this bike. Quit holding out Troy!

[troybilt]

Still waiting on the motor/pipe combo. I ordered some Fullbores, so when the motor gets here it won't take long to finish....

[troybilt]

Here is pics from Jody of the tank sitting on his bike, plastic and tank are not fully bolted down... few tweaks but I think it looks pretty good.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/IMG_0130.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/IMG_0129.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/IMG_0127.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/IMG_0128-1.jpg

[troybilt]

bumper is finished. I ended up doing a stealth powder. My TIG welds weren't perfect so I'll chrome the next one. But it looks real nice in black too...

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/DSCN2905.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/DSCN2824.jpg

[mainah]

nice work! love the scheme!

[J250r]

Such a beautiful bike. I really like that front bumper

[atv fan 28]

when do you plan on getting the motor back??

[troybilt]

Hopefully soon. But i've been saying for a couples months now.. motor isn't the issue, the pipe is taking awhile.... trying to fit a Big bore saber pipe in a laeger narrow frame.. all sorts of fitment issues.

[FW_cArBoN]

Troy, the tank and bumper look amazing! I cannot wait to see this build complete!

[etccb]

Looking good Troy.

[troybilt]

Update:

Good things come to those who wait! Waited almost a year for this motor.

Received my motor this past weekend and installed it.

Full MX ported Saber 496cc motor, specifically built for MX. BDT built the motor for me and touched up the polish, fully polished motor. Also have a fully polished 40.5 A/S carb coming too. Still waiting on the custom hand-coned pipe.

Also changed direction on graphics. Waiting to find some white FB's then it is just about done other than a few odds and ends, alum tank, pipe, etc...

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/DSCN3058.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/DSCN3054.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/DSCN3052.jpg

[fx4pitrone]

This build is ridiculous!! I cannot wait to see the finished project... simply amazing work and attention to detail is 2nd to none.... very nice work!

[Velvet-Casket]

So, is this quad even gonna resemble an elsinore bike anymore? I mean, you surpassed every expectation. I don't think of an Elsinore when I look at it...

[ryanowarrior]

SEXY....what kinda rear brake pedal is that off of?
Any good leads on white FB?

[atv fan 28]

Im glad to see you finally got the motor back. You have more patience than i would have. How is the pipe coming along?? I cant wait to hear a ride report!!

[troybilt]

thanks guys!! Actually the motor has been done for several months we were waiting to see how the pipe project was coming along. BDT actually had one pipe made for it but it was a little peeky for the type of build I was going for so they scrapped it and are working on another one. It turns out to be quite a challenge to fit a saber pipe in a laeger narrow frame, getting it all to fit and getting the length of pipe needed to smooth out the power. To my knowledge has never been done before. My backup plan is to possibly use an LED pipe and modifiy it.

I had plenty of stuff going on this year so it wasn't a problem waiting on the motor. I sold and built a new house and my wife and I just had our 2nd 2 weeks ago today. So now that the dust is starting to settle I can get back onto my project.

I'm building this for the Indy show in Feb. So after 2 years of comtemplating graphics and since I re-powdered the frame I decided to go with a more traditional Honda theme. I actually have the graphics all printed and done. Hoping to find some white fb's, if not going to go with Maiers.

[leager-n-ky]

Looking REALLY good Troy....

[troybilt]

This particular Laeger frame uses a CR style brake pedal. I ended up finding a beat up BBR CRF pedal for 25 bucks, so I completely sanded all of the scratches down and re-polished it, I then made some bushings for it and modified it to work. It actually fits pretty well.

The last big piece to the puzzle: I was concerned the Saber motor didn't have a head stay and these bigger motors tend to vibrate a bit more than a 310, etc... so I'm having BDT machine a new head with a head stay in it and I bought a carbon fiber NRG engine damper to mount to the head stay and try to tame some of the vibrations. The motor is fully balanced...

Here is the damper I'm going to try and use. I ordered it yesterday. I still need to design a new head stay bracket to mount the 2 together.

[leager-n-ky]

Troy, Would a Laeger head stay that has the Ole School Steering damper mount on it work ??

[scotturban]

Wow, Been a while since I got an email about this thread, Excited to hear it will be done soon,

[hawaiiysr]

That damper sure looks like a good idea. Got my wheels turning. I like the idea better then a solid mount stay

[troybilt]

Originally posted by leager-n-ky
Troy, Would a Laeger head stay that has the Ole School Steering damper mount on it work ??

That's kind of what I was thinking however, I have to build some sort of head stay cause the Saber head interferes with a stock head stay and especially the laeger headstay.

[troybilt]

Update:

Been working feverishly on fabricating my own hand coned exhaust. Just about finished with the prototype. I'm still waiting for parts to be laser cut and weld up the actual pipe, but I decided while I was waiting to try and make one old school style, by tracing the parts and cutting them out by hand. Takes alot longer but you can appreciate the craftsmen ship of those old handcone pipes. There is a heck of alot of work goes into making.. Seems like I laid about a mile of weld! I started to get alot better by the end. This was my first time welding thin gauge sheet metal. This prototype was made from 22ga material.

Its turning out better than I thought. I may actually go ahead and finish this one and see how it runs with it, while I'm working on the next one. Couple of cones I'm not particularly proud of, but this is a prototype and I've learned alot so far.

before captain obvious gets on here, the pipe is just resting there its not mounted. I've just set it in there to get an idea what's its going to look like... :o

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/1203122012.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/1203122012a.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/1203122012b.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/1203122013.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/1203122014.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/1203122016.jpg

[mx91a]

Awesome work!!

[Pumashine]

Sweet pipe Troy. I wish I had your enthusiasm. What size stinger are you going to use?

[troybilt]

Originally posted by Pumashine
Sweet pipe Troy. I wish I had your enthusiasm. What size stinger are you going to use?

1.25" ID.

What stinger/silencer do you use on your Puma's? I plan to build my own silencer but it would be nice to use one for testing, since I've got alot on my plate to build right now.

[Pumashine]

Originally posted by troybilt
1.25" ID.

What stinger/silencer do you use on your Puma's?

Using 1.125" ID. I believe this is what is considered a big bore stinger size used on 400+ cc motors

[troybilt]

Originally posted by Pumashine
Using 1.125" ID. I believe this is what is considered a big bore stinger size used on 400+ cc motors

Cool, that is what I figured.

[Langbolt]

Hey Troy,

If you can't find an LRD big bore Silencer to try.....look for a Universal FMF Silencer....they offer them in 1-1/8" ID

And you can weld up the brackets they supply to suit your frame.

:devil:

[atv fan 28]

And some guys wonder why hand coned pipes cost so much. Those things take some time..

Very nice work Troy!!!

[bradenc19]

nice i like it would you consider building me one just pm me thanks

[bansheebc]

MAN! that thing is looking great. Ive been wanting another 250R for awhile now. this thread got me a little bit excited about that.

[9matt2]

wow, makes my leager look like scrap lol.

[troybilt]

Thanks for all the compliments!!

Found a full set of new white Fullbores and they are on the way here so only need a few odds and ends and it will be completed.. other than tuning and testing. Graphics are done and in my possession... I can see the light at the end of the tunnel!!

few more updates on the pipe, just about finished with it, still need to braze some braze some stuff and finish the silencer:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/PC090053.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/PC090052.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/PC090051.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/PC090050.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/PC090048.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/PC090047.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/PC090046.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/PC090045.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/PC090044.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/PC090043.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/PC090042.jpg

[ytman]

Awesome work on the pipe. Do you start with big cones and cut them or do you template each section? Did you roll them yourself? It came out great. Smooth.

[troybilt]

Originally posted by ytman
Awesome work on the pipe. Do you start with big cones and cut them or do you template each section? Did you roll them yourself? It came out great. Smooth.

Thanks, I templated each section and rolled them with my slip roll.

[D Bergstrom]

Quad looks awesome Troy, you should be very proud of yourself for building your own pipe, I know that is something I would never try.

Hopefully you can get this thing out and ride it, I know it has been a long time coming. Hopefully I will get mine finished up one of these days also!

Doug

[pepshocks]

Sweet!!!!

[beobe99]

Absolutely amazing Troy, I'm not sure if I hate you or love you :p

Have you hooked up the lower Rad hose yet, looks close, or maybe I'm just seeing it at a funny angle.

I also may steal your air box mounting set up. Are those brake line clamps for a-arms Mounting it?

[cartman0102]

I'm in love! :eek:

[troybilt]

Thanks Cartman!

Silencer and pipe are mostly finished now. Also working on an aluminum silencer.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/1218121521c_zps3e2027ab.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/1218121521b_zps7ce3ba49.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/1218121521_zps0b18a96b.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/PC130006_zps3114adff.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/PC130005_zpse14cc117.jpg

[Velvet-Casket]

Truly amazing Troy, wtf is there anything you can't do bro? That is a professionally built pipe even if its your first, must be nice to piss excellence every morning. I'm ready to see them graphics you designed for it.
Oh btw my girlfriend wanted to know if she could get you to do a graphic kit for her...I told her you might not want to. She is gonna get a raptor 700 with income tax money. I said that it might be to big of a hassle if its not a 250r. Anyways I just figured I'd ask.

[troybilt]

haha that's hilarious!! I'm going to tell my wife that... I piss excellence in the morning...

Soon I will have the bike totally complete with the graphics installed etc.. and reveal it.. just need a few minor things and she's done.

On the raptor graphics I wouldn't mind doing them at all, I've just ran into a snag, the software I'm using isn't compatible with the plotter. I really need to get adobe illustrator so I can continue to do those, I've had a ton of requests.

Ironically, your's was the only set that I was able to get printed! Jay had to do the rest. He could work up a set of graphics for you girlfriend too I'm sure.

Thanks for the compliments!

[danhung11]

Originally posted by troybilt
haha that's hilarious!! I'm going to tell my wife that... I piss excellence in the morning...

Did you break out the whiskey already? Or did you mix your eggnog a little rich? :D

[troybilt]

eggnog is running rich... LOL! getting ready to go as I type... see you in a few.

[gtilley45]

Man, that pipe is SWEET! Makes me want another 250R even more.

[leager-n-ky]

" Jay had to do the rest ", Is he in Indianapolis ???

[troybilt]

He's in Winsconsin. He will be at the dealer expo in Indy in Feb though.

[troybilt]

Aluminum tank fits almost perfect! Teaser of the bike. Few more little things and it will be complete.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/P1270019_zps06289445.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/robltc/Elsinore%20Part%202/P1270012_zps38bfa88d.jpg

[Fear250r]

Lookin' good Troy!!

[atv fan 28]

that tank looks good!!!

[J250r]

Wow! I love the changes you made with the theme. Looks AWESOME. I can't wait to see the finished product.

[Allison55ex'er]

Them graphics are wicked! Everything looks top notch.

[etccb]

Looking real good. I can't wait to see your complete photos.

[tbone250r]

:muscle:

[k10seibel]

WOW, what attention to detail and stellar craftsmanship! Stunning build Troy! This has to be one of the nicest (and longest) build threads going. Keep it up. A pleasant read with each new page. Thanks for the eye candy and inspiration!
-Andy

[tbone250r]

Got anymore pictures or updates on this Troy?