Something wrong with my Laegers arms ?

[JohnBeton]

I installed my laegers +2+1 arms on my JP Outlaw frame, but something seemes wrong. The balljoints don't go straight in the knuckle and there is a lot of tension on the balljoints.

I'm using stock shocks. My first idea is the shocks are to long, or the top arm is to short.
Maybe I mounted something the wrong way, but I can't figure it out...

Here are some pictures of them:


http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/713/100920094410.jpg

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4537/100920094500.jpg

[TLR-Online]

Have you adjusted the top ball joints as far out as they will go? You may also want to make sure the bottom are in as far as they go (they look like they are)

If that doesnt work, you may want to measure the top/bottom arms. Post the measurements and we can probably tell you if they are correct.

[JohnBeton]

yes, they are as far out as possible. I'll measure the arms asap.

[troybilt]

What spindle is that?

[C41Xracer]

the spindles look like there from an 86R

[JohnBeton]

the spindles are from an '87 250r

[mineralgrey01gt]

i thought 87's had the solid spindles and not the bolt on part like 86's?

[troybilt]

I was more concerned with the actual shape of the spindle spud neither of my 89's look like that, there is more taper from the end towards the flange... ...again, I might be wrong about the 86 spindles. I don't remember for sure...

basically what I was getting at, was the end towards the nut on my 2 spindles are smaller OD, than the inside bearing contact OD? I didn't realize the 86 spuds were different too...

At any rate, if you take a measurement on the top aarms, I can tell you if they are the same as my Plus 2 Laegers. I have the same aarms, except they are the Long travel versions.

[89trx250r]

i just went and looked cause i have the same set with 89 spindles that came with my 250 and the 89 spindle seems way different like troy said also it looks like yours are set for like max negative camber imagine a wheel on that spindle it would be like a 60 degree angle

[D Bergstrom]

The spindles look just like my 86 spindles. I have no idea what the spindles for a 87 look like so can't comment on if they are 87's.

I would say your lower arms are +2, but the upper arms are +1. I am guessing you bought these used. maybe the seller had a set of +2 and +1 arms and got them mixed up? Post up some measurements and I am sure someone can compare.

Doug

[89trx250r]

i think the top arm should be around 11.5-12 inches and the bottom should be like 15.5 inches for +2

[JohnBeton]

that's the exact length of my arms...
Top arm: 12inch
Lower arm: 15.5inch

[troybilt]

What aftermarket frame is that? I think my +2's measured the same 12 and 15.5-ish with a tape. I measured them last week for another guy. I will verify tonight.

[atvmxr]

re: hub styles...

86-87 use the same bearing for inner and outer. no taper on spindle spud

88-89 use same inner bearing as 86-87, smaller outer bearing.

88 has stud of size needed for outer and then steps up to slightly larger diameter for inner bearing. this step is also used to support outter bearing inner race

89 has tapered area between inner and outer bearing surfaces. a tapered spacer is used between inner and outer bearing



just an FYI. I learned the hard way ($$ for parts that didnt work) that 88 &89 were different


I agree with who ever said the +2 lowers and +1 uppers

[8686]

Humor me here. Adjust those upper ball joints out a touch and throw some hubs and tires on the front and get the quad on the ground and put someone on it so it's at ride height and we'll see what we got.

[troybilt]

Just got home and measured my aarms

My upper's from center of the ball joint to the axis of the two frame mounts is approx 12"

The lowers from center of ball joint to axis of the two frame mounts is approx 14.5"

They are Laeger +2 LT aarms... fwiw.

[TLR-Online]

I think you need different/longer threaded ball joints.

I have threads showing on each side, yours dont seem to have any threads showing on either side based on the pics. Plus i have a locking nut on the lower ball joint as well (couldnt see if yours had them in the pics)

Here is a pic of mine:
http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af328/TLR-Online/EXriders%20Pics/IMG_2621.jpg

[89trx250r]

^ might be on to something cause i noticed mine were hella long compared to yours also

[Honda 250r 001]

Originally posted by JohnBeton
I installed my laegers +2+1 arms on my JP Outlaw frame, but something seemes wrong. The balljoints don't go straight in the knuckle and there is a lot of tension on the balljoints.

I'm using stock shocks. My first idea is the shocks are to long, or the top arm is to short.
Maybe I mounted something the wrong way, but I can't figure it out...

Here are some pictures of them:

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4537/100920094500.jpg

Is it just me or in this pic does the top a arm mounts not look wide enough? i believe this is called frame rake? Doesnt look like theres enough? like the a arm mounts are straight up and down from the bottoms?

[trx/lt500r]

Originally posted by Honda 250r 001
Is it just me or in this pic does the top a arm mounts not look wide enough? i believe this is called frame rake? Doesnt look like theres enough? like the a arm mounts are straight up and down from the bottoms?

It does look a bit different. I have a lonestar and a laeger frame. ON both, top arm mounts on frame are 1 inch wider than bottom. In other words measure left to right side, top mounting holes are 2 inches wider than bottom. Also have the +2 laeger arms and top ball joint has much more threads exposed.

[JohnBeton]

It's a JP Outlaw frame from '92.
But the frame rake is fine, it's the same as an oem frame. But i think it's because of the angle the picture is taken that it looks that weird.

Anyway, I going to get soms longer balljoints and try that.

Thanks all.