need help getting stuck on a pin

[ridein'red7]

need help i have a basket case 416 in building and iv got it almost all toghter but i came acrossed a small dowl pin that is hallow and about a 1/8inch diameter by about 1/2in give or take but i have no clue where it goes

[coreyflipp]

It goes on the right side case cover.

[ridein'red7]

it is a mini one and right side a clutch?

[coreyflipp]

Nobody is going to be able to give you the magic answer. How "mini" is it? From the description it sounds like it may be the ones that go between the case halves or case cover.

Or it could be one that goes on either side of the cam.

[ridein'red7]

no its smaller than the those dowel pins its not is like a 1/8 or a little less and has a small hole threw it

[coreyflipp]

Is it really really little? I think it's the one that goes along with a little spring that slides into a little hole on the top of the head that works along with your decompression mechanism on the cam.

[Honda#4]

My guess is the decomp pin, cant remember if its hollow or not.

[ridein'red7]

its deffenety possible thats were it came from it has a little black around it so that means it doesnt have a hot cams? and is there a spring about 1/2inch that goes there too?

[coreyflipp]

Yeah there's a spring with it. What has black around it? If I remember right the hotcams don't have the decompressor.

[ridein'red7]

black as is its stained from carbon and hot cams do not use decompression on them

[3400ben]

Originally posted by ridein'red7
its deffenety possible thats were it came from it has a little black around it so that means it doesnt have a hot cams? and is there a spring about 1/2inch that goes there too?

Yes the spring is about 1/2" long. It goes under the dowel pin. It still could be a hot cam. The dowel and spring will stay in with a hot cam( barely). Check the stamp on the cam.

[ridein'red7]

the only marking are out, c, 7

[ridein'red7]

where does the decomp go?

[3400ben]

Originally posted by ridein'red7
where does the decomp go?

Are talking the dowel and spring?

[ridein'red7]

yea the little down ad a spring

[3400ben]

Right below the cam in the top of the head. There is a hole on the timing chain side right beside the head nut.

[ridein'red7]

all rite thanks

[3400ben]

Remember if it is an aftermarket cam you don't need it. You only use with the stock cam.

[ridein'red7]

does the spring go on the head nut?

[3400ben]

The Spring goes in the hole below the dowel pin.

[ridein'red7]

i was told it is a hot cams but it does not say it anywhere and has what i think is a decomp lobe and the only hole i see is for the dowl pin for decomp, and the head nut

[3400ben]

here is a pic

[ridein'red7]

ok thats where i put the pin and the spring i belive is for the oil filter? and with pinin the whole now what put the cam back in?

[3400ben]

The oil filter spring is about a 1/2 inch long and about the diameter of a quarter. That goes between the filter and engine.

[3400ben]

The dowel and spring in the picture I posted you will not need with a hot cam .

[ridein'red7]

im not sure if it is a hotcam. and yea i just put the dowel pin in and have no spring in it?? can i just run it with it out or something this is all thats holding me up

[hocman123]

ok if u need the decomp working then u need the spring to be in it or it will not work but what we really need to know to put this queston to rest is wethor u have a hot cam or not

u said the cam onlu had a 7 on it and so does my hot cam but the name is stamped into it at a few places but i hear the older ones they did not do it

but if u could please put a picture up of the cam in queston we could tell u right away if it is stock or not

[ridein'red7]

ill try in a min a big thunderstorm/ rain is here i gota get my shirt on but it has a decomp lobe

[ridein'red7]

well here are some pix sorry for qualty sent them to email from my cell phone and when they downloaded they go tbigger and dont look as good

[ridein'red7]

^ thats the 7 this is another

[ridein'red7]

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[ridein'red7]

is it stock or hotcams? it also has a c on it to

[hocman123]

ok well that is the stock cam so u need the spring and pin in the head for the decomp to work if u don't have the spring it will not work so it might not turn on . i would just order a spring

the spring in the pic looks like the oil spring or the spring for the cluch level that sittes on the crank case

o and ur sig says u want wheel spacers i don't think that is ii good idea most people on this sit will tell u that when u put the on u put added stress on parts not ment to take it and can cause a huge and expensive problems. u would be better to spend ur money on a hotcam

[3400ben]

X2 stock cam

[ridein'red7]

so i have no spring? what can i do? and also im just doing smallest spacer just because i can get them so cheap

[CJM]

Do not use wheel spacers period, even the smallest one will put to much stress on the hubs and axle. Save up for offset wheels, axles or longer a-arms..

[ridein'red7]

ok but about the spring i need this thing running by saterday and the stealership says it wont be here til 2weeks! can i runn it with no pin and spring?

[dalejiw25]

No. Without that spring and plunger doing it's job like it's suppose to, It will spin over freely and act like it wants to start. But it never will because the reverse decomp lobe keeps knocking an exhaust valve open when it should be shut.

[3400ben]

I don't know if you can run without the pin and spring. It oils the decompression part on the cam. If the dealership had a hotcam you could buy that and forget about the spring. I looked for mine and could not find it. Ask on the forum someone has one laying around and they could overnight it to you. Good luck

[ridein'red7]

well on one of the rockers it looks like a flap or rocker was broke for the decomp lobe to hit?

[dalejiw25]

If you have a machine shop nearby, Have them remove the decompressor from your cam and press the hub back on. good to go. You wont need the spring and plunger anymore.

[ridein'red7]

allright thanks man

[99400esex]

I have the spring and plunger if needed

[ridein'red7]

ok just got the decom lobes pressed of and there are to pins do those neen to be ground down? or removed?

[ridein'red7]

anyone?

[dalejiw25]

Run It !!!!

[ridein'red7]

allright i just dont want it coming apart on me so the pins will hold in?

[hocman123]

i don't know about the pins on the cam but i have heard there will be holes that should be tig welded shut but a lot of people will say u don't have 2 i personlly don't know

[99400esex]

Originally posted by hocman123
i don't know about the pins on the cam but i have heard there will be holes that should be tig welded shut but a lot of people will say u don't have 2 i personlly don't know

Explain?

[hocman123]

they say that oil will still go into the holes and could deprive the cam loobs from getting oiled properlly and coulld trash the cam but i am really not sure i think there is a lot more oil in the top and it would not be a big deal but some say it has happened to them so idk

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=426325&highlight=decomp did a little looking and found this old forum it also talks about the pins