What kind of HP do you see from 465EX's? [Archive]

ChadEXer

02-06-2003, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by shaneb
sparks 465 made 51 at FSW ....

Shane
I think that would be about right! but I think its funny that the Sparks 465(Engine builder of the year, and 2 time FSW winner)builds a 51HP EX and all these other guys think they will get 53-56 and 60HP out of their 465's!! Kind of funny to me!!
Chef, you have to remember, Curtis set his bikes up for sand drag, even if his bikes showed 45HP they will still probably blow yours away, no offense really, but drag bikes are all about torque! I bet the torque numbers on the Sparks EX are quite amazing! Its the same concept as a 300HP Diesel going against a 500HP Dodge Ram R\T,,,which one do you think will get to the top first if they were towing 15,000#??? I told Tom I was wanting to get between 60 and 65HP with my 505 and his words were "no you dont". he said expect it to be somewhere around 55HP, but expect the torque numbers to be amazing...."you do want it set up for drag dont you".

Str8Wicked

02-06-2003, 09:03 AM

Just turbo the 400 like that DS650 at FSW

Extremeracer167

02-06-2003, 09:18 AM

Yeah it isnt really raw HP, its how the power comes on. Like a 250R, a stock R only have about 25 HP in that range. ANd it would destroy a stock 400EX with about 26-27 HP. Or even look at a Z400 Compared to a EX, there HP are within 2 HP but stock for stock that Suzuki will eat up a 400EX. There are a few guys that have full blown 440 kits, with a monstrous load of tourqe, but my 425 will walk right past them on a straightaway, its just all in the where the power is at.

raptor_02

02-06-2003, 11:43 AM

wonder if a good built 465ex could take a moto440 in a drag??? It would be close!

shaneb

02-06-2003, 02:32 PM

I have never had a dale be within 10 bikes of me on olds ....

The one of the sparks 465 is about 5 to 8 bikes ahead of me.

Shane

Dave400ex

02-06-2003, 04:05 PM

Chad how much will be getting if you run it on Alcohol?

ChadEXer

02-07-2003, 07:17 AM

Well Tom says to expect about 55HP from the 505, and alcohol will usually add somewhere between 5-10 HP. Does anyone know what the stock torque numbers for the EX are??

razer

02-07-2003, 11:19 AM

Just talked to my guy.

He said to expect 56 - 58 hp after he's done. I'm going with a custom pipe instead of the Big Gun I bought.

Oh, and he said he did a job for Trinity on a 250R that put 75 hp on it, but had to detune it because it was too much to handle.

I can't wait to get this bike back. It's going to be mind blowing.

Extremeracer167

02-07-2003, 11:44 AM

so is it going to have 56-58 b4 and after u give him the cash, or just b4? Sorry im just having a hard time believing it. Not saying that you are lying, but its either the guys stuffin a bunch of poopy down your throat, or you gonna be sitting on a time bomb. But just my opinion;)

razer

02-07-2003, 11:55 AM

Well, it should be done in about 10 days. He's trying to get it finished as fast as he can.

And I'll be putting the thing on the Dyno when he's done and posting it here, so we'll know if he's full of it or not. But he's doing stuff for Lonestar and Trinity so he must have some skills, eh? All will be known in a few weeks. It's being painted today, he made me a new swing arm already, and he's getting the cam, hardened rockers, oversized valves, and titanium springs as we speak. And he's going to build me a pipe instead of using the Big Gun I already have.

I've only paid 1K so far because cash has been tight thanks to the scumbag that had my bike earlier, which I'm suing.

I'll post pictures and dyno readings when I get the bike back. That should end speculation.

Extremeracer167

02-07-2003, 12:08 PM

I dont mean to be a jerk, and i HOPE it does have what he claims. Becuase Engines are one of those things where its GREAT or it SUCKS! And i hate the dissapointment when u start spending that kinda money. SO i really do hope that it is a rocketship for ya. But keep us posted. And if the guy fed u a bunch of crap, u can count on all of us backin u up and flaming the poopey out of the guy:D

shaneb

02-07-2003, 12:59 PM

razer what is being done to get that hp ??

465 505 alky nitro ????

razer

02-07-2003, 01:09 PM

465 kit, J&E pison, port and polished, titanium springs, hardened rockers, custom pipe, weber cam is what I know of regarding the engine. It will run off of race gas.

I'll know more pretty soon. And I'll post pictures too. This should end up as a show-quality bike

Dave400ex

02-07-2003, 02:08 PM

I can't wait to see your Dyno run and Chad's.

razer

02-07-2003, 03:02 PM

What is Chad hoping to get from his 505?

The guy building mine is a drag specialist (tons of trophies in his shop), but I'm not into that so I wanted a powerful trail rider.

Is Chad going to be in the mid 60's in hp?

K_Fulk

02-07-2003, 03:46 PM

Is the motor getting stroked or just bored? wonderin,

Anyways my heavy duty rod and stroker crank just came from powroll on monday after almost a year. Hopefully i can get it put together this summer when i have more cash coming in.

Ricky g

02-07-2003, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by razer
What is Chad hoping to get from his 505?

The guy building mine is a drag specialist (tons of trophies in his shop), but I'm not into that so I wanted a powerful trail rider.

Is Chad going to be in the mid 60's in hp?

The shop wouldn't be Kenz Cycle Tech in Mesa AZ would it??.........I had mine built there, and it's fast, fastest 4 stroker I've ever owned.

RG

razer

02-07-2003, 04:16 PM

Could be. I think the guys name is Jeff. I know he's just moving to a big new shop and getting this one done quickly before he gets moved in.

He's an engine builder and I know he's in Mesa, AZ. I haven't been there yet. My friend dropped off the bike since it was at his house, so I don't know the guy. My buddy is friends with him. It could be the same guy, though.

Ricky g

02-07-2003, 04:27 PM

I had the same problem you said you had with a former shop butchering my 400 trying to put a 440 kit in it, cost me $$$$, what a nightmare.........do not go near Action Power Sports in chandler for any reason, except maybe to take a dump on his lawn........

I can vouch for Kenz work, it's awesome......I hope everything turns out well, these 400 are dynomite with some mods.

RG

razer

02-07-2003, 04:32 PM

No, I just talked to my friend. He goes by the name Riddler's Performance or something like that. His nickname on his bikes is "Riddler", so maybe you've seen them at Glamis or something. He's a small engine specialist according to my friend. He gets his work by word of mouth from what I'm told. That's how I heard about -- from my friend.

When my friend asked how much HP he could get from the engine, he said he could tune it to over 70 hp if he wanted to, but it would lose reliability and it wouldn't be useful power.

When I get it back in a few weeks, I'll dyno it and try to scan the pages on this site.

Ricky g

02-07-2003, 04:43 PM

When my friend asked how much HP he could get from the engine, he said he could tune it to over 70 hp if he wanted to, but it would lose reliability and it wouldn't be useful power.

When I get it back in a few weeks, I'll dyno it and try to scan the pages on this site. [/B][/QUOTE]

Anybody claiming to get over 50 hp from a 465, is suspect, mid 40's are normal dyno readings. My 465 is maxed out and runs on alky, and I'm at around 48-49 hp........be careful with these big talkers, I think you'd need to have a 505 running on alky to be in 50+ hp range.

RG

Sandragggen

02-07-2003, 04:58 PM

razer..I would be careful for there are many butcher shops out there. I learned the hard way. I like Ricky g spent $$'s getting it straightened out. What all is this guy going to do to your quad? How many 465's has he built? I'd find out before he starts on it if I were you. You don't want him rushing to get the motor done.:ermm:

razer

02-07-2003, 05:24 PM

Well, I don't think Lonestar and Trinity would send him their engines if he was a total hack. And my friend who recommended him is a decent gear head himself, but he's in awe of this guy. Plus, my friend has been to his shop a bunch of times and the guys has his own bikes that win drags in Glamis, so I feel alright about it.

I'll have it Dyno'd in a few weeks which will end all speculation anyway.

shaneb

02-07-2003, 08:57 PM

on gas I think you will be luck to break 50 ...

Sparks 465 on alky hit 51 at FSW ....

Shane

ChadEXer

02-10-2003, 09:01 AM

Razer, I think you better be careful! This guy is telling you numbers that I promise you wont see! You will be VERY VERY lucky if you get 50HP if you run alky. Weve talked on the phone a few times and Im not trying to be mean at all so please dont take it that way, but ive been in the game a long time and talked on the phone to just about every decent engine builder in the country! It WONT happen. he says he could get 70 out of the engine(but that would be unreliable),,well thats BS, the biggest BS IVe ever heard matter of fact. 56 to 58HP for a 465 IS unreliable!! Dont mean to bust his bubble but you would be lucky if he built a full out drag bike that could get that many HP. Dont forget Sparks 465 that smoked every other bike out at FSW made 51HP!!! Its obvious! I just hope you dont believe it!!!
If the guys that have his bikes win drags at Glamis, where were they at when FSW was going on???
If he could tune an EX to 70HP, do it cheap like your saying, and have it done in that short of time,,,well I think he would be just a tad bit more "heard of"!!!

razer

02-10-2003, 12:41 PM

Chad, I think this guy is well known by all the engine builders that started out of California. He knows all those guys. And he does work for Lonestar and Trinity right now. He's just not a big time player, probably by choice. From what I gather, he's a bit on the weird side. I do know that he's got more work that he can handle and I was lucky to get my bike in.

And I don't know if he participated in the 4 stroke wars. I do know that he only builds 465's now and has been doing it a while. I talked with my friend and I stand corrected. He said he could tweak about 63 hp out of it, not 70 hp. He is the one that threw out 58 hp to my friend, and didn't back down when we said it would dyno'd.

He races out of Glamis a lot, so ask around within the drag racers out there. He goes by the nickname Riddler. I know one of his bikes is a long trike and he has a bunch of trophies. He's supposed to be one of the better drag racers around. I'm sure someone knows of him.

It won't be long before I'll know anyway. I'm going to Dyno it as soon as I get it. No need to speculate anymore. We'll know in about 10 days or so. I was shooting for 50 hp from the outset, so anything over that is a bonus.

But if you have doubts, I can probably get his phone number for you and you can check him out yourself.

ridinthedunes

04-21-2003, 07:01 PM

I'd like to see the dyno results on the 465.
I've been waiting for a while so I figured I'd see
what was up????
R/T

razer

04-21-2003, 07:29 PM

The guy wants me to order about 4 more things to finish, but I"m tapped for dough right now, so I'll probably have to stall for a week. He's finished the motor, the paint and the rest, now I'm waiting until i get some money so I can order a Pivot Link, Oil Cooler, the Sidewinder sprockets, handlebars, and Houser A-Arms. I'll post pictures when he's done.

punker69q

04-22-2003, 07:40 AM

a 473 ex on gas pushing 51.9 hp....

AndrewRRR

04-22-2003, 08:10 AM

:rolleyes: let's all go dyno-racing. lol
When I asked my engine builder what kind of HP I could expect, he said he doesn't dyno his bikes, it's too easy to screw with the numbers by using different setups. All he knows is when they actually race he whoops the $hit out of the guys that brag about their dyno numbers (to name names, LRD, Duncan, K&T, Packard, etc).
I do admit it's nice to have some numbers to throw around when bench racing, but but like the saying goes "when the green flag drops, the BS stops"

Cody_300ex

04-22-2003, 09:14 AM

Two words: A LOT!!!

bad465

04-27-2003, 03:36 PM

I would like to clear somthing up here! The sparks alky 465 that dyno'd 51 at fsw was not the one that put the massive beatdown on everyone! The one that won was without question in the high 50's low 60's and weighed in at no more then 275lbs and no-one saw that bike until sunday muchless on the dyno! no starter no battery nothing! To the guy that is getting the 60+hp gas 465 built........... They shop is blowing smoke! When my bike was on gas I ran a 24 shot of nitrous to get the high 60's! Even now then bike is on alky with 20% nitro and no nitrous is would be lucky to be over 60! That just isnt happening dude sorry!

ChadEXer

04-28-2003, 06:21 AM

Hey Bad465. Are you running nitromethane in your alky now? Been considering doing that but dont know a whole ot about it. How much to add and all that other stuff. Got mine on alky now and its one bad SOB! It was amazing how much power was added with alky. I think I must have still been off on gas, I know alky is a good gain but mine was very impressive!

AndrewRRR

04-28-2003, 06:24 AM

From what I've learned, you can run up to 20% nitro, 80% meth. Any more and you'll scatter the engine. Usually you'll need to drop your compression a little, and increase jet sizes.

86atc250r

04-28-2003, 09:45 AM

let's all go dyno-racing. lol
When I asked my engine builder what kind of HP I could expect, he said he doesn't dyno his bikes, it's too easy to screw with the numbers by using different setups.

That's an interesting attitude - however, I do not see the reasoning of denying yourself a tool under the premise that comparing dynos from different people is like comparing apples to oranges and because of that it is not a useful tool.

The fact is that the dyno is a tool, it can be used properly and improperly - when used properly, it speeds the development and/or tuning process. It can be used to compare the effects of changes - however, like when analyzing anything else, you must eliminate as many variables as possible to get the most out of what you see. It should also not be the sole tool used to determine the value of a particular modification.

Comparing numbers from different operators under different conditions is of questionable value because of the infinite amount of variables & unknowns introduced. However, if you study enough runs you can usually separate the BS runs from the rest and get some general ideas on what's being shown.

AndrewRRR

04-28-2003, 01:56 PM

Because of the variables it's pointless to spout out numbers. I mean if you are using it for yourself, you can use it like a tool, and watch the effect of jetting, parts changes, etc in a relatively controlled environment. But to try to find a single 'correct' hp number on the dyno for a particular motor isn't really feasible. Besides, you can build a "dyno queen" that will have an impressive hp number... over a very very small rpm range. And that bike will get spanked over and over again at the races. lol

86atc250r

04-28-2003, 02:47 PM

Because of the variables it's pointless to spout out numbers.

I'll agree with you there.

Besides, you can build a "dyno queen" that will have an impressive hp number... over a very very small rpm range. And that bike will get spanked over and over again at the races.

Yes, I see what you're trying to say, but the dyno graph will also show this. Now, if a person just wanting to spout peak HP numbers, then yes, an engine can be built with a very high peak number, but little power anywhere else.

However, I will disagree that it will necessarily get spanked at the races - because it depends on what kind of racing you are doing.

If it's drag, a peaky engine like this works well if the rider has half a brain to keep it in the power and it's geared correctly - this is one reason two strokes generally make good drag engines. A machine with 35 HP from 1000 RPM to 10,000 RPM will get spanked by an identically equipped machine with 15hp from 1000 to 9000 RPM and 50 HP from 9000 to 10,000 RPM.

An engine setup like that will not be the best for other applications though, like general riding, MX racing, XC racing, etc.

AndrewRRR

04-29-2003, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by 86atc250r
A machine with 35 HP from 1000 RPM to 10,000 RPM will get spanked by an identically equipped machine with 15hp from 1000 to 9000 RPM and 50 HP from 9000 to 10,000 RPM.

An engine setup like that will not be the best for other applications though, like general riding, MX racing, XC racing, etc. [/B]

Yes, at drag racing is where that peaky engine can do well, but again it depends on the builder. Very very few engines have a transmission geared to keep it at 9000-10,000rpm the whole race, and even if they did, you'd have to launch it there, which means lots of wheelspin (or wheelies), or lots of broken parts! lol.
I agree with you about the dyno sheets, peak HP numbers aren't looking at the whole picture.

86atc250r

04-29-2003, 05:26 AM

Don't get caught up in the specifics of my example, it was just that, an example, not a real world engine.

AndrewRRR

04-29-2003, 05:29 AM

Yeah, I know, I was just using it to illustrate how a really narrow powerband can hurt you even in drag races. I think we are on the same page, I agree with ya

RIDER11X

04-29-2003, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by Extremeracer167
Yeah it isnt really raw HP, its how the power comes on. Like a 250R, a stock R only have about 25 HP in that range. ANd it would destroy a stock 400EX with about 26-27 HP. Or even look at a Z400 Compared to a EX, there HP are within 2 HP but stock for stock that Suzuki will eat up a 400EX. There are a few guys that have full blown 440 kits, with a monstrous load of tourqe, but my 425 will walk right past them on a straightaway, its just all in the where the power is at.

I don't get this talk about z's eating up 400ex's. I don't drag race, but in the woods my stock motor and pipe 400ex loses Z's and Raptors in short order! This last weekend at a poker run a guy with a piped Z tried running me out on the trail. I lost him within 2miles and there was no place to get stuck in that 2 miles! Honda knows what they're doin, and rider skills help too.:rolleyes: :D

twisted threads

04-29-2003, 08:00 AM

Rider11X I think he is talking drag racing stock for stock the Z will beat a EX. But in the woods on trails its a whole new ball game. I have rode a Z a few times and they are faster than a stock Ex but they dont seem to have as much bottom end as the EX. :cool:

TheChknhwk

04-29-2003, 08:25 AM

So a couple of weeks turned into 2 months, lol, oh well.

TURBO-530R

05-07-2003, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by punker69q
a 473 ex on gas pushing 51.9 hp....

what is corrected hp ?
sounds to me like its altered.
my 416 dyno just says SAE hp
i guess corrected means not certified hp
HMMMMMMMM

AndrewRRR

05-07-2003, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by CRASH508-EX
what is corrected hp ?
sounds to me like its altered.
my 416 dyno just says SAE hp
i guess corrected means not certified hp
HMMMMMMMM

Looks like only the top of that dyno sheet showed up (or my computer is being screwy).
Corrected hp numbers use formulas to compensate for the altitude (like if you dyno it at 3000ft, it will "correct" it to show what it would be at sea level.) It also usually takes out the drivetrain hp drag, to tell you what the hp is at the motor, not at the wheels.
Corrected HP is kind of pointless IMO. You can correct it for altitude and for the drag of the drivetrain, but the wheels move the bike, not the crankshaft, and the altitude you are at is what it needs to run at (provided you dynoed it at the altitude you ride at).

TURBO-530R

05-07-2003, 02:09 PM

oh ok its adjusted for altitude and drag

so it's adjusted hp at the crank not the rear wheels so at the rear wheels - 15% dor drag then you get 44.1 ok i thought you were running rocket fuel. thats still great for a 465 at the rear wheels. kewl.

05-07-2003, 02:12 PM

holy shizzy mo in a box i wish i had that power on my bike...lol that would suck if ur bike got jacked up and my bike wit an x-6 sparks would blow it away lol....hope u got lucky man

Chef

05-07-2003, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by XxHonda_RacerxX
holy shizzy mo in a box i wish i had that power on my bike...lol that would suck if ur bike got jacked up and my bike wit an x-6 sparks would blow it away lol....hope u got lucky man

I dont think you will have to worry about that :huh

AndrewRRR

05-07-2003, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by CRASH508-EX
oh ok its adjusted for altitude and drag

so it's adjusted hp at the crank not the rear wheels so at the rear wheels - 15% dor drag then you get 44.1 ok i thought you were running rocket fuel. thats still great for a 465 at the rear wheels. kewl.

I don't think the drivetrain is that much drag on a quad. A chain drive is pretty efficient. RWD cars typically lose around 15%. I think quads are under 10% (maybe as low as 5%?)
44.1 sounds kinda low. My buddy has a LRD 440ex built for MX racing and it puts down 48hp according to Arlan (double that of a stock EX) at the wheels.

Chef

05-07-2003, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by AndrewRRR
I don't think the drivetrain is that much drag on a quad. A chain drive is pretty efficient. RWD cars typically lose around 15%. I think quads are under 10% (maybe as low as 5%?)
44.1 sounds kinda low. My buddy has a LRD 440ex built for MX racing and it puts down 48hp according to Arlan (double that of a stock EX) at the wheels.

Yea, 44.1 sounds VERY low for a 465, unless it is just a cam/piston/pipe/carb deal. I'm not sure what FST's 440 is supposed to make, but last year, before I did the 2.5mm oversize (35.5mm) intake valves, I pulled 9 miles an hour faster on the radar gun at Castle Rock. The head has been opened up even more since then...

chad502ex

05-07-2003, 02:45 PM

Does anyone have any knowledge of any websites that post any 400EX+ dyno results to see or download?

All I hear or see is rumors what this or that does, but no proof in the pudding... Where is all the certified results, not corrected...?????

No Guts, No Glory!!

AndrewRRR

05-07-2003, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by chad502ex
Does anyone have any knowledge of any websites that post any 400EX+ dyno results to see or download?

All I hear or see is rumors what this or that does, but no proof in the pudding... Where is all the certified results, not corrected...?????

No Guts, No Glory!!

Wasn't it like a year or two ago when Jerimiah Jones left LRD or Sparks or whoever was doing his engines and went with PSI because they were getting 61hp out of the 265? Then he left them mid-season because those high-hp motors were so unreliable he was getting a ton of DNF's! lol.
My engine builder says he won't take customer motors as far as he will his own, high hp hand-grenades aren't exactly good for your word-of-mouth advertising.

Dave400ex

05-07-2003, 03:57 PM

Andrew you are thinking of Travis Spader.

AndrewRRR

05-07-2003, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by Dave400ex
Andrew you are thinking of Travis Spader.

I thought it was Jones, Dirt Wheels or some mag was talkin about it. Oh well, doesn't matter.

Dave400ex

05-08-2003, 12:55 PM

Spader was with Duncan, came back with PSI, then half way through he switched to Sparks. Jones has been running Sparks for the last 5+ years until switching to LRD this year...

ChadEXer

05-08-2003, 02:42 PM

Chef

05-08-2003, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
:huh Say arent you the guy with the 502EX that dynoed at 44HP and argued with me for days that your EX has never been beaten and there is no way a 500 or 505EX could get any more HP than that??

44hp? LMFAO

ChadEXer

05-09-2003, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by Chef
44hp? LMFAO
I think its funny as he!! He has his dyno sheet posted on some website and I was told that he was over at Paatving.com bragging about how his 44HP 502ex had never been beaten and said there was no way any other EX could dyno over 44. I went over there and argued with him for a little while but finally gave up!!

chad502ex

05-10-2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
I think its funny as he!! He has his dyno sheet posted on some website and I was told that he was over at Paatving.com bragging about how his 44HP 502ex had never been beaten and said there was no way any other EX could dyno over 44. I went over there and argued with him for a little while but finally gave up!!

This is for ChadEXer (only).

I know three things:
1. I'm embarrassed to have the same first name as you.

2. I'm sure this AWESOME website wasn't built to have people like you come here and spread soo much negitivity about other people and their quads; especially, 400EX'ers. With all of your knowledge, you should be helping them, not BASHING them!

3. Yes I do have "CERTIFIED" DYNO results with 46hp, and I'am proud to claim so. Unlike you, who have to pay someone to get the power in your 505, I know how to wrench and build from the crank up. At least I can absolutely prove my 502 gain being 70% over stock ( 70% gain running pump gas too, no alky or nitro). Where's your "CERTIFIED" results?

Over the last two to three years, I've seen you only to BASH peoples rides and post forums, claiming that "You have the fastest, and there's no way anyone can get what you got". LMFAO! Well, that's kewl, if you have what you claim. Why don't you prove your power with a date-stamped photo of your quad on a dyno and the matching curve to go with it (date/time). No "Corrected" results either. It's time too put up, or shut up! I bet ya don't have any....

One more thing, I'm positive there are people who get more power out of their 400EX than mine, that's obvious; but, my original question was, "Where are all the dyno results of the 400EX on the net?" I'd like to see what they are doing to get their power, that's all.

Ride Red!
:)
Chad502EX

ChadEXer

05-10-2003, 01:13 PM

ROTFLMFAO!!:rolleyes: First of all, I dont bash anybody. I never have and never will claim that my EX is the FASTEST. I have claimed that my EX has never been beaten by ANY bike. Facts only. If you need proof I can give you a few names, a few links to websites showing where Ive won at the races and anything else you might want.
I think its funny as he!! how you come on here saying that for the past 2 to 3 years I have bashed people and bragged about how fast mine is when first of all I have only had my bike the way it is for 4 months. And also being that the whole reason were into it with each other is becasue you were over at paatving bragging about how fast your bike was and that you have never been beat! WHAT A JOKE!! I have a friend with a 440 that has more power than your bike,,,he!! even Chefs 440 is pretty near that number. SO maybe you can wrench on your own bike but it looks to me you would have been better off letting someone else do it!! LMAO!!

ChadEXer

05-10-2003, 01:30 PM

Ive been meaning to take mine over to HighLifter to get some dyno results but Ive had a lot going on not to mention constant changes to my bike since Ive got it back. Tom at TC says he guarantees my bike will be at least 55HP but dont be surprised if its closer to 60. Thats on gas, I have a 42MM Lectron running Methanol with a few drops of nitro. I have a friend with a 440 that dynoed 43Hp over at highlifter and I beat him by about 6-8 bike lengths on gas, now that im on Meth I beat him by a considerable amount. Now My bike is also lowered to the ground and I can keep my front end down a little better. And a few more chassis mods are being done now.

05-10-2003, 02:50 PM

holy frick that is pretty damn low to the ground

chad502ex

05-10-2003, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
Ive been meaning to take mine over to HighLifter to get some dyno results but Ive had a lot going on not to mention constant changes to my bike since Ive got it back. Tom at TC says he guarantees my bike will be at least 55HP but dont be surprised if its closer to 60. Thats on gas, I have a 42MM Lectron running Methanol with a few drops of nitro. I have a friend with a 440 that dynoed 43Hp over at highlifter and I beat him by about 6-8 bike lengths on gas, now that im on Meth I beat him by a considerable amount. Now My bike is also lowered to the ground and I can keep my front end down a little better. And a few more chassis mods are being done now.

BTW, I wasn't on PAating. either, that was a friend who has a raptor and had witnessed my power on the mountain climb of PA and was impressed enough to mention it in their forum. It wasn't until you ran your jaws and starting bashing me (and others via posting history log) that I had to log on and defend myself.

OK, I've already said, all I require is dyno proof, not links of who said/she said crap. Certified Dyno, not TC said/he said crap,.... CERTIFIED dyno from your quad Chad, and not race results either or links to who said what, CERTIFIED DYNO results. Get it! You don't have any "CERTIFIED" results, do you?

motormechanics101 for ChadEXer:

Look Chad, here's some Calculus in case you havn't been educated in Calculus. Torque is a derivitive of HP, and you should know by now that our motors is not set up for HP. I'll provide examples for you (all of which I can with CERTIFIED DYNO results),
416ex gives 42hp
490ex gives 44hp
502ex gives 46.1hp
508ex gives 48.4 hp
Do you see lineararity there? Plot those on a graph and you get a straight linear line (approx). So you see, I'm an engineer beyond the who said/she said crap. I try and figure on paper using calculations (diffQ equations, cfm's throughput, volumetric efficiency, linear displacement, ect) ten prove my calculation through dyno MEASUREMENTS. The thing to remember is that displacement doesn't provide alot of hp, it provides GOBS of torque. For THUMPERS, the more displacement the more torque. But there is a linear relationship, if you increase displacement 5% after bore, you should get a 5% gain in hp if you maintain linearity (in between lean/rich condition). All boils down to this, never have I personally seen "CERTIFIED" not "CORRECTED" dyno results from a 400ex >60hp running on pump gas.

BTW, if you look at the 416EX hp number above, ya have to ask, "Why is 416 so close to 508 in hp?"
Answer: torque is really only # changing alot, not hp. the 508EX was DYNO'd at 78ft/lbs of torque, that's awesome. Ain't no 416 gett'n that amount of torque..... Still, HP is in the upper RPM's of the motor not the lower RPM's; so, it takes alot to more the heavy and bigger 505 or 502 than it does a 416. I would expect a light 416, 426, or even 440 to produce almost as many HP as a Big Bore like 502, 505 or 508; But there is no way a 416, 426, 440 could even compare to the torque of a 502, 505, or 508.

BTW Chad, you want custom 505 stickers for that beast? Lookin a your photo, it looks like you prefer to identify your as a "Sleeper" for drag purposes.. Know what I mean?

Ride Red!

Chad502EX.com
My 99' HONDA "True" 502ex is +7mm stroked, 91mm custom made 11:1 piston w/bore, Heavy HP intake/exhaust port and flowed machine work done by Pat Sanford (NASCAR machinist), Curtis Sparks X-6 Full Exhaust System, Webcam woods cam, titanium retainers and heavy valve springs, OEM clutch with stiffened springs, 34mm Big-Bore intake valve job, hardened rockers, 6 degree advance woodruff key, FST external oil cooler (in addition to stock), 40 mm Lectron PowerJet carb, Heavy-Duty Factory HONDA Racing clutch springs with shims, Velocity stack on airbox lid, bored case, Denton Steering Stabilizer, PRM Baja Front Bumper and skid package, 22" Mud Machines for rear tires and Ohtsu Pro-Comps Honda Race fronts mounted on Douglas Ultimate rims with Billet Center, K&N Filter, CT REV Kit , Works Racer Piggyback Triple Rate shocks, Shockwears, Renthal Bars, Oury Grips, TerryCable for throttle, Magura hydraulic clutch, MSR Raptor Clutch lever, RAD tapered bearing axle carrier, Fastline braided red brake lines, solid BRAKE International rear disc rotor, RAD slotted front disc rotors, SideWinder Titanium Chain and Titanium Sprockets, and Nac's Blockoff.

K_Fulk

05-11-2003, 02:42 AM

http://www.gtthunder.com/RandD042502.html
Here are a couple, cant find all his old ones.

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 03:37 AM

Chad first of all YES you were at paatving. I was told by an exrider that you were over there bragging and talkin $hit and when I went over there I seen it for myself, please dont make me go find that thread! Why would your friend be signed in as Chad502? And by the way, I could care less to "keyboard" race or "certified results" race. All dynoes are different. The fact is come down to our drag strip and if you beat me I will give you the slip to my bike along with paying for your trip down here,,,I dont need no "certifies results" thats as certified as you can get. I also could care less for this my daddy can beat up your daddy BS but we both know you started it at paatving. Where is that dyno sheet showing that the Sparks 465 dynoed at 51HP at FSW, and that wasnt even the 465 that won! So I guess maybe your calculus is a little off!! Even Bad465 has a dyno sheet showing his trinity 465 pushed 48HP, and not to be mean but Trinity definatley doesnt build the fastest EX out there!!
My whole plan was to have a sleeper at first but the word about my bike spread like wildfire. Everywhere I go everyone already knows about my bike, so it doesnt do me much good.

Chef

05-11-2003, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
he!! even Chefs 440 is pretty near that number. SO maybe you can wrench on your own bike but it looks to me you would have been better off letting someone else do it!! LMAO!!

Heh, add a little more than 10 to El 44 and you may find my 440. But it makes that horsepower at 9300 RPM...its a good TT bike. :blah

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 05:59 AM

Originally posted by Chef
Heh, add a little more than 10 to El 44 and you may find my 440. But it makes that horsepower at 9300 RPM...its a good TT bike. :blah But Chef theres just no way, according to Chad502's calculus, your 440 can only make between 42 and 44HP! LMFAO

Sandragggen

05-11-2003, 06:04 AM

Here's a sleeper

Chef

05-11-2003, 06:07 AM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
But Chef theres just no way, according to Chad502's calculus, your 440 can only make between 42 and 44HP! LMFAO

Yea, I guess the all ruling 44hp 502 owner knows best...

Doibugu2

05-11-2003, 06:10 AM

So by his linear calculation what would a stock 400 put out? Somewhere around 38 to 40 hp. What's not adding up here?

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by Doibugu2
So by his linear calculation what would a stock 400 put out? Somewhere around 38 to 40 hp. What's not adding up here?
His calculus isnt adding up. He forgot to take basic math before he tackled calculus!!

Sandragggen

05-11-2003, 07:21 AM

Not to be sticking up for 502, but high torque numbers will get you a checker over hp #'s on a 4-stroke. ChadEXer didn't you tell TC that you wanted big hp and he told you no...you want high torque. I think that is the point 502 is making which is true. I don't think you are going to see very many 465's in the 50 hp range but there are some. I've never put mine on a dyno, and I could care less if I ever do. The only thing that really matters is kissing the throphy girl.

502 what do you think about ChadEXer's challange?

JMiller

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 07:38 AM

Yes we all know TC is the torque king. Thats all he talks about is torque. He wouldnt even tell me how many horsepower it would be at first. He says torque matters over all else. Especially in drag racing. He also told me that my HP numbers wouldnt be that impressive but the torque numbers will be outrageous. Everything he does is torque based, cam, pipe, port work, the whole nine yeards. But he!! if you ask me 55HP on gas would be pretty impressise HP numbers for a torque built bike!! And now that its lowered, lightened and on Meth, this thing hauls the mail!!
Yes it is true that a high torque bike will spank a high HP bike on the strip so Chad is right about the torque, but his whole HP theory is WAY off!!

chad502ex

05-11-2003, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by Sandragggen
Not to be sticking up for 502, but high torque numbers will get you a checker over hp #'s on a 4-stroke. ChadEXer didn't you tell TC that you wanted big hp and he told you no...you want high torque. I think that is the point 502 is making which is true. I don't think you are going to see very many 465's in the 50 hp range but there are some. I've never put mine on a dyno, and I could care less if I ever do. The only thing that really matters is kissing the throphy girl.

502 what do you think about ChadEXer's challange?

JMiller

SD, what challenge? This challenge would be two different types of quads, one xc and the other drag, racing on their home turf. The home team would be the winner. Ya see, my quad is setup for xc type of motoring, when ChadEXer's quad is obviously setup for draggin. I would expect to see a drag bike win against a xc quad with mud tires on a drag-strip. Likewise, I would expect to see a XC eat up a drag across rocky mountain terrain. I do, however, have a close friend with a 508EX (aka crash808ex) that we built that can compare his drag time sheet with ChadEXer's time-sheet. His times are:
490cc on the bottle 1/8 mile in 7.3 sec @ 96 mph. Just wait for the 508cc nitro time

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 08:49 AM

Post some 300ft times, I dont run the 1/8 mile. I do doubt his bike tops out at 96MPH, if that was the case he would have way to tall gears and turn slow times:rolleyes:

Doibugu2

05-11-2003, 09:14 AM

God, my pecker is bigger than your pecker...give it a rest guys.

chad502ex

05-11-2003, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by Doibugu2
God, my pecker is bigger than your pecker...give it a rest guys.

Doibugu2, lol! It's true, for some reason he'll challenge anything anyone says, especially me. I must have really pissed him off at some point. I would seriously enjoy an adult conversation with him, but for some reason he doesn't think theres value in anything anyone says. I would love to think that since I've been building 400EX motors since Aug98, i could offer a little experience or dialog to someone other than him. For now on, I promise not to say anything too technical or try to piss anyone off by what my thoughts are, I'll be a good junior member!!!! :)

ChadEXer: The drag time sheets he has is for pavement not dirt drag strip. And yes, his times were for 35 shot nitro 490EX running 16-38 gearing. Anything smaller in sprokets he'd top out to quickly before crossing the light.

Chad502ex.com
My 99' HONDA "True" 502ex is +7mm stroked, 91mm custom made 11:1 piston w/bore, Heavy HP intake/exhaust port and flowed machine work done by Pat Sanford (NASCAR machinist), Curtis Sparks X-6 Full Exhaust System, Webcam woods cam, titanium retainers and heavy valve springs, OEM clutch with stiffened springs, 34mm Big-Bore intake valve job, hardened rockers, 6 degree advance woodruff key, FST external oil cooler (in addition to stock), 40 mm Lectron PowerJet carb, Heavy-Duty Factory HONDA Racing clutch springs with shims, Velocity stack on airbox lid, bored case, Denton Steering Stabilizer, PRM Baja Front Bumper and skid package, 22" Mud Machines for rear tires and Ohtsu Pro-Comps Honda Race fronts mounted on Douglas Ultimate rims with Billet Center, K&N Filter, CT REV Kit , Works Racer Piggyback Triple Rate shocks, Shockwears, Renthal Bars, Oury Grips, TerryCable for throttle, Magura hydraulic clutch, MSR Raptor Clutch lever, RAD tapered bearing axle carrier, Fastline braided red brake lines, solid BRAKE International rear disc rotor, RAD slotted front disc rotors, SideWinder Titanium Chain and Titanium Sprockets, and Nac's Blockoff

cheetah

05-11-2003, 09:52 AM

I'm nuetral here guys, but 16/38 gearing won't get ya to 96mph.

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by cheetah
I'm nuetral here guys, but 16/38 gearing won't get ya to 96mph. Yeap not even close, I would suggest him not say anything else too technical either, his technical stuff is making him look stupid!!

Doibugu2

05-11-2003, 10:11 AM

you don't know what size tires he's running. That could make up some of the difference.

Chef

05-11-2003, 10:35 AM

16/36 Will get you over 80 at the rev limiter in 5th...thats with 18 inch TT Tires though. 96 would be simple with 22inch Hoosiers and 16/38, at about 10,500...maybe less. Probably is running full cut plastics, too. My R runs 80+ in 5th, i havent had it in 6th yet.

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 10:41 AM

All I run is the 300ft, not real familiar with asphalt dragging. We have an asphault drag strip here and theres never even enough people to have a race, the dirt drags have plenty of guys almost every weekend!

chad502ex

05-11-2003, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Chef
16/36 Will get you over 80 at the rev limiter in 5th...thats with 18 inch TT Tires though. 96 would be simple with 22inch Hoosiers and 16/38, at about 10,500...maybe less. Probably is running full cut plastics, too. My R runs 80+ in 5th, i havent had it in 6th yet.

Exactly,....

21" 16/38

http://home.earthlink.net/~gellett/400ex.htm

here's some more..... HEHE!

Convert between 1/4 mile and 1/8 mile ET's

1/4 mile ET = 1/8 mile ET x 1.5832 (thanks to Bobby Mosher for this formula)

1/8 mile ET = 1/4 mile ET / 1.5832 (thanks to Bobby Mosher for this formula)

Calculate 1/4 mile ET and MPH from HP and Weight

ET = ((Weight / HP)^.333) * 5.825

MPH = ((HP / Weight)^.333) * 234

Calculate HP From ET and Weight

HP = (Weight / ((ET/5.825)^3))

Calculate HP From MPH and Weight

HP = (((MPH / 234)^3) * Weight)

No arguing physics.
Chad502EX.com
My 99' HONDA "True" 502ex is +7mm stroked, 91mm custom made 11:1 piston w/bore, Heavy HP intake/exhaust port and flowed machine work done by Pat Sanford (NASCAR machinist), Curtis Sparks X-6 Full Exhaust System, Webcam woods cam, titanium retainers and heavy valve springs, OEM clutch with stiffened springs, 34mm Big-Bore intake valve job, hardened rockers, 6 degree advance woodruff key, FST external oil cooler (in addition to stock), 40 mm Lectron PowerJet carb, Heavy-Duty Factory HONDA Racing clutch springs with shims, Velocity stack on airbox lid, bored case, Denton Steering Stabilizer, PRM Baja Front Bumper and skid package, 22" Mud Machines for rear tires and Ohtsu Pro-Comps Honda Race fronts mounted on Douglas Ultimate rims with Billet Center, K&N Filter, CT REV Kit , Works Racer Piggyback Triple Rate shocks, Shockwears, Renthal Bars, Oury Grips, TerryCable for throttle, Magura hydraulic clutch, MSR Raptor Clutch lever, RAD tapered bearing axle carrier, Fastline braided red brake lines, solid BRAKE International rear disc rotor, RAD slotted front disc rotors, SideWinder Titanium Chain and Titanium Sprockets, and Nac's Blockoff.

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 12:28 PM

My god! Lets go math racing. I dont know how but I did make straight A's in advanced calculus my senior year in high school, well that was a while ago. I could care less for math. I only use math if I HAVE to, sitting here using math isnt going to decide which bike is faster thats all done on a track.
If that calculator is right. It says that my bike with the 22inch Pro Wedges(they swell to about 23in under acceleration) and 14/38(my drag gearing) would push me 93.64MPH @10,500 RPM. I just dont think my bike goes that fast on the top end, but what do I know I havent ever topped it out. I could put my 16t up front and go 107MPH!!
Chad the only thing your math would be good for is to judge how many bike lengths, or in your advanced calculus, how many exact feet and inches you would be from the back end of my bike!!LMAO
Chad, buck up man I just f'n with you. You started it all anyway, so dont get so mad when someone else plays your game! Its all in fun, or else well all just be pissed!!
Its clear your bike is a XC machine and mine is a drag bike, but remember all I have to do is put my Works shocks back on and mine can be a XC machine within 10 minutes!! Tell you what, I will throw my bike in the back of my truck and drive up there within the next 2 weeks. We will race on the SC track of your choice. If I lose I will go home without a quad, if I win I will take your quad home and you can pay for my trip up there,,,,guess I better bring my trailer too!! Oh yeah, I am serious. I need a good pit bike.

chad502ex

05-11-2003, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
My god! Lets go math racing. I dont know how but I did make straight A's in advanced calculus my senior year in high school, well that was a while ago. I could care less for math. I only use math if I HAVE to, sitting here using math isnt going to decide which bike is faster thats all done on a track.
If that calculator is right. It says that my bike with the 22inch Pro Wedges(they swell to about 23in under acceleration) and 14/38(my drag gearing) would push me 93.64MPH @10,500 RPM. I just dont think my bike goes that fast on the top end, but what do I know I havent ever topped it out. I could put my 16t up front and go 107MPH!!
Chad the only thing your math would be good for is to judge how many bike lengths, or in your advanced calculus, how many exact feet and inches you would be from the back end of my bike!!LMAO
Chad, buck up man I just f'n with you. You started it all anyway, so dont get so mad when someone else plays your game! Its all in fun, or else well all just be pissed!!
Its clear your bike is a XC machine and mine is a drag bike, but remember all I have to do is put my Works shocks back on and mine can be a XC machine within 10 minutes!! Tell you what, I will throw my bike in the back of my truck and drive up there within the next 2 weeks. We will race on the SC track of your choice. If I lose I will go home without a quad, if I win I will take your quad home and you can pay for my trip up there,,,,guess I better bring my trailer too!! Oh yeah, I am serious. I need a good pit bike.

ChadEXer, you are very feebleminded! If it wasn't for math, you wouldn't even have a quad to ride. If you learned a little more math, you probally would cross the lights a little sooner than you do. Havn't you figured out by now that ALL NHRA and NASCAR engineers use math. How do you think they cross the line at the speeds they do? I think it's starting to become clear to me that you just simply like to blow smoke, but if you insist on gettn roosted, throw on you works and come on up.

BTW Chad, I don't take this as seriously as you think I do. Hopefully, you don't either.
Actually, its fun!

ChadEXer what are your 300foot times? On asphault, in the 1/8 mile, they light at 330.

Chad502ex.com

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 01:05 PM

Hah, found it! I cant get the link to work so ill just post a quote of Chad502ex's post

"Extreme, obvisiously you haven't finished your homework on 4 strokes and what a bored-stroked EX limits really are. Why dont you line up next to me and we'll see how much you think you know...

Oh yea, there hasn't been a machine that has crossed the line in front of the 502 (really 490cc)yet, and I've got the results to prove it. As far as the 44 hp is concerned, that was only a mild run that I posted on my site. I never even tried to max out the 502 that day on the dyno. But I will admit 50 is bout the tops for my 490... 70 hp EX,.. it would never happen without the bottle. BTW, the 505 you speak of is only a 6mm stroke 92.. That wouldn't touch a 7mm stroke 92mm"

Remeber that Chad??

chad502ex

05-11-2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
Hah, found it! I cant get the link to work so ill just post a quote of Chad502ex's post

"Extreme, obvisiously you haven't finished your homework on 4 strokes and what a bored-stroked EX limits really are. Why dont you line up next to me and we'll see how much you think you know...

Oh yea, there hasn't been a machine that has crossed the line in front of the 502 (really 490cc)yet, and I've got the results to prove it. As far as the 44 hp is concerned, that was only a mild run that I posted on my site. I never even tried to max out the 502 that day on the dyno. But I will admit 50 is bout the tops for my 490... 70 hp EX,.. it would never happen without the bottle. BTW, the 505 you speak of is only a 6mm stroke 92.. That wouldn't touch a 7mm stroke 92mm"

Remeber that Chad??

ChadEXer
Yes, I remember that and would never deny that. What's wrong with what I said? Did I not say that 50 was top for me?I never said that I couldn't be beat, I just said at that time I hadn't been beaten ("yet"). Everyone gets beaten sooner or later, even the ALL-MIGHTY CHADEXer. heh!
What does this have to do with you? Whats your point?

Chad502ex.com

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 01:19 PM

Nah, I dont take it serious, I think its fun too! Do you really think you would roost me?? LMAO
My last 300ft run was 4.7-4.8 on gas before it was on Meth, lightened a few pounds, and lowered!
Here is a pic of my bike on that race
http://www.gatorrunpark.com/Winners.html

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by chad502ex
ChadEXer
Yes, I remember that and would never deny that. What's wrong with what I said? Did I not say that 50 was top for me?I never said that I couldn't be beat, I just said at that time I hadn't been beaten ("yet"). Everyone gets beaten sooner or later, even the ALL-MIGHTY CHADEXer. heh!
What does this have to do with you? Whats your point?

Chad502ex.com Uh my point would be that YOU were the one talking $hit:rolleyes:

chad502ex

05-11-2003, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
Uh my point would be that YOU were the one talking $hit:rolleyes:

everyone talks shiznit, me, and you too!! So what? I think you read way tooooooooo much into my text. I didn't relize I made such an impact on you, LMAO!! I think you probally are just a little too insecure when it comes to other riders having something to say about what little you know. Anyway, Chad, I went to your link, why is it that your the only one in the "ATV Drag" when others on that link line up podium? Was there not anyone else in your race class that day?

Wahooooooooooo, Mt.Carmel.

:D

Chad502ex.com

chad502ex

05-11-2003, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
Nah, I dont take it serious, I think its fun too! Do you really think you would roost me?? LMAO
My last 300ft run was 4.7-4.8 on gas before it was on Meth, lightened a few pounds, and lowered!
Here is a pic of my bike on that race
http://www.gatorrunpark.com/Winners.html

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChadEXer
[B]Nah, I dont take it serious, I think its fun too! Do you really think you would roost me??

I'd have fun trying.... :)

Chad502EX.com

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by chad502ex
everyone talks shiznit, me, and you too!! So what? I think you read way tooooooooo much into my text. I didn't relize I made such an impact on you, LMAO!! I think you probally are just a little too insecure when it comes to other riders having something to say about what little you know. Anyway, Chad, I went to your link, why is it that your the only one in the "ATV Drag" when others on that link line up podium? Was there not anyone else in your race class that day?

Wahooooooooooo, Mt.Carmel.

:D

Chad502ex.com
Yes there was more people racing than just me!! the reason they done it that way is because they way they set it up they didnt have a 2nd and 3rd place. They had a pot to the winner race with everybody racing until you lost twice then you were out. So if I raced the 2nd fastest guy my first 2 races and beat him he would be out of the race already and the slowest guy out there may not of even raced yet, so there werent any 2nd or 3rd places! Kind of a wierd race they setup that day but hey, I took all the cash home so it didnt bother me!!

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 02:01 PM

Heres the viewpoint from Chad502's view. Except the distance would be quite a bit further!! ;)

chad502ex

05-11-2003, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
Yes there was more people racing than just me!! the reason they done it that way is because they way they set it up they didnt have a 2nd and 3rd place. They had a pot to the winner race with everybody racing until you lost twice then you were out. So if I raced the 2nd fastest guy my first 2 races and beat him he would be out of the race already and the slowest guy out there may not of even raced yet, so there werent any 2nd or 3rd places! Kind of a wierd race they setup that day but hey, I took all the cash home so it didnt bother me!!

OK, i think i know what you speak of....
I was never that fast on the strip, most would say slow, but that's ok for me, I'm not into speed shift'n my tranny (hard) or slam'n the quad to the ground to reduce drag. Throwing rocks is my favorite.

Although, I've always wanted to feel the 35 shot on my motor (which I have access too), but never willing to pay the price if the slam was too much that day. I'd rather spend the whole day riding, then just the few second thrill down a track for a couple times/day. To each his own...

Chad502EX.com

chad502ex

05-11-2003, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
Heres the viewpoint from Chad502's view. Except the distance would be quite a bit further!! ;)

Here's what you would see ChadEXer!!

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by chad502ex
Here's what you would see ChadEXer!!
LMAO!
Hey put that 35 shot of NOS on and you might even be able to get cose enough to read the huge K&N sticker on my airbox!!

chad502ex

05-11-2003, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
LMAO!
Hey put that 35 shot of NOS on and you might even be able to get cose enough to read the huge K&N sticker on my airbox!!

whatever!

Castor-426ex

05-11-2003, 02:18 PM

uh oh chad 505 vs chad 502

all we need is a Chad 503, and 504 exer

an i think we will have more sequels than Star wars:D

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Castor-426ex
uh oh chad 505 vs chad 502

all we need is a Chad 503, and 504 exer

an i think we will have more sequels than Star wars:D LMAO!!
We could use Chad Duvalls 500EX too!!

cheetah

05-11-2003, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by chad502ex
Here's what you would see ChadEXer!!

Someone is going the wrong way.:huh

chad502ex

05-11-2003, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by cheetah
Someone is going the wrong way.:huh

cheetah, it's only a figure of speech, it's only a joke. HEH!

Ever heard of the expression "Bite ME"? cheetah, im just joking around

Chad502ex.com

chad502ex

05-11-2003, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
Heres the viewpoint from Chad502's view. Except the distance would be quite a bit further!! ;)

what is that pipe, a slip on?

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by chad502ex
what is that pipe, a slip on? Absolutely, the stock header is the only way to go on a EX! Makes the most torque. Or you can add an aftermarket header and add less than one full horsepower on the top end and lose a great deal of torque!!

Chef

05-11-2003, 03:52 PM

Castor-426ex

05-11-2003, 03:52 PM

:eek: :D

chad502ex

05-11-2003, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
Absolutely, the stock header is the only way to go on a EX! Makes the most torque. Or you can add an aftermarket header and add less than one full horsepower on the top end and lose a great deal of torque!!

half true, however, the stroke/piston size is what makes the torque not the stock header. With all your bottom end (stroke) power, you should be able to easily go full system and pick up additional hp for top end. When I had slip on and went full, it was like adding another pipe to my motor without decreasing my bottom. My +7mm stroke is what makes my torque.

Have you ever tried a full system on your 505?

Chad502EX.com

ChadEXer

05-11-2003, 05:46 PM

My engine builder told me to leave the stock header on it. I havent even considered an aftermarket one. And yes the stock header does make torque. Torque is also made with backpressure. If TC says the stock header is the best then its the best and i know i dont even have to try anything else. TC has the fastest EX known to date, which is Cody Jordans 490EX that runs 4.7's in the 300ft. NO 400EX has beat that yet. Mine has also ran a 4.7 but it wasnt at a sanctioned track so it doesnt actually "count". But there is no doubt I can beat that now,,cant wait to get a run on a sactioned track like the Texas Sand Drags this year!

Mr_Bub400ex

05-11-2003, 06:02 PM

chad502 i think uve done some dumb shizah now:
first of all, chadexr has been nothing but helpful and informative to us here at exriders. look up some of his posts. he helps everyone out and people are always interested to see how his bike is coming along.
second of all ur, ur "dyno" charts seem to me to be faulty. that must be an exteremely well built 416 to be around what was it? 42 hp or something? and it must be a crappy 508ex for the 416 to be within 4-6 hp. i dont care if its set up for torque there is no way a 416 would be up there like that
third stop talking shize to chad because he has been here a long time and i would like for you guys to race ur bikes and i will be putting my money on the 505

Castor-426ex

05-11-2003, 07:46 PM

ill put my money on the 508ex :D

RuffRyder400ex

05-12-2003, 12:46 AM

i think my stock 400ex will beat both. lol

86atc250r

05-12-2003, 04:11 AM

Torque is also made with backpressure.

No, backpressure kills power.

When talking low end (commonly referred to as torque even though that's not accurate) it's all about velocity. Smaller tube headers typically keep exhaust velocity high when RPMs are low, which helps the scavenging effect - however, in the top end it creates "backpressure" that kills the power.

I find it *VERY* hard to believe that the stock header makes the best power with an engine who's displacement has been increased by more than 25%.

Making power is all about matching your parts so that they all compliment each other. A stock diameter header tube does not fit that equation with the combo's we're talking about here.

Mr_Bub400ex

05-12-2003, 05:02 AM

Originally posted by Castor-426ex
ill put my money on the 508ex :D
i meant between chadexr and chad502 lol no 508 in that race!

chad502ex

05-12-2003, 06:08 AM

Originally posted by Mr_Bub400ex
chad502 i think uve done some dumb shizah now:
first of all, chadexr has been nothing but helpful and informative to us here at exriders. look up some of his posts. he helps everyone out and people are always interested to see how his bike is coming along.
second of all ur, ur "dyno" charts seem to me to be faulty. that must be an exteremely well built 416 to be around what was it? 42 hp or something? and it must be a crappy 508ex for the 416 to be within 4-6 hp. i dont care if its set up for torque there is no way a 416 would be up there like that
third stop talking shize to chad because he has been here a long time and i would like for you guys to race ur bikes and i will be putting my money on the 505

Mr_Bub:

OK, if it makes you and everyone elso feel better about my comments to him, from here on out- I won't speak his name

You are correct, I should never disagree with people who try to help others out, even if some of the statements might be incorrect

One more thing, exriders.com is awesome site, and there should be no hostility between 400EXers.

Peace, everyone!
Chad502EX

Doibugu2

05-12-2003, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by chad502ex
Mr_Bub:

OK, if it makes you and everyone elso feel better about my comments to him, from here on out- I won't speak his name

You are correct, I should never disagree with people who try to help others out, even if some of the statements might be incorrect

One more thing, exriders.com is awesome site, and there should be no hostility between 400EXers.

Peace, everyone!
Chad502EX

Oh, your not a 400EXers. You think your better than us because your 502. J/p:D

At least this thread hasn't been locked yet, still entertaining.

airheadedduner

05-12-2003, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by 86atc250r
No, backpressure kills power.

When talking low end (commonly referred to as torque even though that's not accurate) it's all about velocity. Smaller tube headers typically keep exhaust velocity high when RPMs are low, which helps the scavenging effect - however, in the top end it creates "backpressure" that kills the power.

I find it *VERY* hard to believe that the stock header makes the best power with an engine who's displacement has been increased by more than 25%.

Making power is all about matching your parts so that they all compliment each other. A stock diameter header tube does not fit that equation with the combo's we're talking about here.
You forget to mention.............

Making something high flow is a big trade off. Why do smaller pipes flow better?? One big reason is the more confined a gas is the less heat it disapates. Hotter gas flows much better. So all theese dummies ceramicing there headers are theoreticly(sp?) killing there low end.

In the end I agree with ya.
It's not what you have, its does what you have match up with the rest of your parts?? Thats why my friends R sucks. His PTR porting don't match his pipe by a long shot.:p

86atc250r

05-12-2003, 06:55 AM

I figured that part was self explanatory. Obviously, if small tubes create good velocity on the bottom end but restrict flow on the top - then the opposite should hold true for large tubes.

Then again, maybe I take some things for granted?

Also, 2 stroke pipes are a whole different beast. Pipe temp is critical on a 2 stroke, not as much so on a 4 stroke.

I've not seen any dyno runs on ceramic coatings vs no coatings, but I'm fairly confident that the results would be very minimal either way.

FWIW, I have a Ceramic coated Sparks header pipe (X4 so it's similar in diameter to stock) as well as a stock header as well as a bare steel LRD header. None of these "kills" low end. In fact, my engine with the Sparks Ceramic coated header is a low end beast.

Another interesting observation is we also have a completely stock engine with a Sparks X6 large header tube ceramic coated exhaust - contrary to popular opinion, that combo didn't kill bottom end either - in fact, the bike runs extremely well for a stocker - it's used as an XC racer, so low end is important....

ChadEXer

05-12-2003, 12:44 PM

Hey Bub I appreciate it. I do come on here to help and be helped, and sorry for the acting like a kid with the other Chad I was just messing around with him, we all need a little controversy, it would be so empty without me!!!!
Castor, why would you bet on the 508 when it was built by the same guy as the 502?? It would have what,,46.5HP at the max;) One thing Im so tired of hearing is dyno this dyno that! Got something to prove, go to the track!!!

mikeboone

05-12-2003, 12:52 PM

LOL Very fun thread to read. You both know the big 440 will take on all comers:D

Chef

05-12-2003, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by mikeboone
LOL Very fun thread to read. You both know the big 440 will take on all comers:D

You know it baby! WOOOOO!!!

chad502ex

05-12-2003, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
Hey Bub I appreciate it. I do come on here to help and be helped, and sorry for the acting like a kid with the other Chad I was just messing around with him, we all need a little controversy, it would be so empty without me!!!!
Castor, why would you bet on the 508 when it was built by the same guy as the 502?? It would have what,,46.5HP at the max;) One thing Im so tired of hearing is dyno this dyno that! Got something to prove, go to the track!!!

ya know, why am I continuously defending crash508ex when he's the one with all the dyno and drag results?

Speaking of drag results,..... his time sheet says 330ft at 4.7 sec.
Isn't that the same time as ChadEXer quoted at 300ft (not 330)?

BTW, to clarifiy, i didn't build 508's motor by myself, it was both of us "GARAGE" mechanics that did. His motor is his motor, he deserves the credit for his 508, not ME!

ChadEXer

05-12-2003, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by chad502ex
ya know, why am I continuously defending crash508ex when he's the one with all the dyno and drag results?

Speaking of drag results,..... his time sheet says 330ft at 4.7 sec.
Isn't that the same time as ChadEXer quoted at 300ft (not 330)?

BTW, to clarifiy, i didn't build 508's motor by myself, it was both of us "GARAGE" mechanics that did. His motor is his motor, he deserves the credit for his 508, not ME! Thats f'n BS Im willing to bet everything i have that he didnt run no 4.7 in 330ft. Dont make ***** up to make your frined sound good. First of all there is no sanctioned track, or track with the correct timing system that is set up for 330ft,,,there is 200ft or 300ft. Dont make yourself sound any dumber than you already have!! LMAO!!

chad502ex

05-12-2003, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
Thats f'n BS Im willing to bet everything i have that he didnt run no 4.7 in 330ft. Dont make ***** up to make your frined sound good. First of all there is no sanctioned track, or track with the correct timing system that is set up for 330ft,,,there is 200ft or 300ft. Dont make yourself sound any dumber than you already have!! LMAO!!

What a "BACK YARD" dragster guy!! At least I admit I'm no dragger!! Why don't you go to

http://www.7580dragway.com/

and see for your self.... Yea see, I prove my talk with factual information. This drag strip is santioned. Maybe the difference is the big boys race on asphault, when the,......you get my drift.... LOL.

Do you not see the NHRA logos on their site?

K_Fulk

05-12-2003, 02:14 PM

The quarter mile tracks i go to gives you your time for 330ft.

Chef

05-12-2003, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by chad502ex
What a "BACK YARD" dragster guy!! At least I admit I'm no dragger!! Why don't you go to

http://www.7580dragway.com/

and see for your self.... Yea see, I prove my talk with factual information. This drag strip is santioned. Maybe the difference is the big boys race on asphault, when the,......you get my drift.... LOL.

Do you not see the NHRA logos on their site?

330 feet on asphalt vs 300 feet on dirt or sand is not a fair comparison. A 4.7 on asphalt on 330 feet is not nearly as impressive as a 4.7 in 300 feet of dirt. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

TURBO-530R

05-12-2003, 02:14 PM

Hey ChadEXer,
I like the pic of your bike.
What kind of tires are on it ?

Also my motor was not built by the same guy .I built it.and it has more than 46 HP and I do take it to the track.
I did not get in to this with you guy's it looked like you were having to much fun your self.but it seems like i am getting bashed for no reason I don't like that.

RACE SAFE!

ChadEXer

05-12-2003, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by K_Fulk
The quarter mile tracks i go to gives you your time for 330ft.
Oh well he!! hes talking about asphalt dragging. in that case 4.7 in 330 foot SUCKS!!!! Im talking sand drags,,,deep ash sand!!

ChadEXer

05-12-2003, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by CRASH508-EX
Hey ChadEXer,
I like the pic of your bike.
What kind of tires are on it ?

Also my motor was not built by the same guy .I built it.and it has more than 46 HP and I do take it to the track.
I did not get in to this with you guy's it looked like you were having to much fun your self.but it seems like i am getting bashed for no reason I don't like that.

RACE SAFE! Hey crash, dont take nothing ive said the wrong way. its all between me and 502. Im on here to have a good time, help people, and get help myself, and it seems like since we like the same thing we might be able to help each other.
Those are Pro Wedges II on my bike. they are perfect for DIRT drags but nothing else, they dont do well in sand!!

Chef

05-12-2003, 02:19 PM

ChadEXer

05-12-2003, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Chef
Pic isnt showin up there bud...
Yeah I got about half a pic!!

chad502ex

05-12-2003, 02:24 PM

TURBO-530R

05-12-2003, 02:33 PM

this is not my fastest i could not find it but this is close as i can give you now.

and i know it's not about the 508 but you guy's are funny:)

ChadEXer

05-12-2003, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by chad502ex
What a suk up and coward. Maybe not everyone want to talk $hit like you player!;)
4.7 isnt bad in 330ft on asphalt,, for a 400EX. But if you run that on asphault you would probably run about a 5.3-5.5 in 300ft in the sand,,if you get a perfect run and keep the front end down. It takes about the same time to get halfway down an asphault track as it does to start moving forward in the sand! Asphalt and sand are 2 way different subjects!!

ChadEXer

05-12-2003, 02:43 PM

My goal is to run a 4.3-4.4 in the sand. I think Im going to be VERY close since i ran a 4.7 before i was lightened, lowered, put on meth, and a few drops of Nitro. The record at the Texas Sand Drags is 4.17,,,thats by a 449 K&T Banshee on a complete drag frame!!!!

chad502ex

05-12-2003, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
Oh well he!! hes talking about asphalt dragging. in that case 4.7 in 330 foot SUCKS!!!! Im talking sand drags,,,deep ash sand!!

one sentence you'll say "in that case 4.7 in 330 foot SUCKS!!!!", then a couple post later you'll say "4.7 not bad"....

which is it? sucks or not bad?

TURBO-530R

05-12-2003, 02:43 PM

thats true but check out some asphalt track times and is a great time for a 400ex some day i will get to play on the sand but there is not much sand around here.

Good luck this year racing.

oh what kind of tires are they an your bike.

ChadEXer

05-12-2003, 02:45 PM

Those are Pro Wedges II on my bike. They are perfect for DIRT drags but nothing else, they dont do well in sand!! I have Ultra Light 9 paddle haulers for the sand!!

TURBO-530R

05-12-2003, 02:47 PM

oh well i just cant send a pic

TURBO-530R

05-12-2003, 02:49 PM

kewl let us know how you do this year
crash

lancer202

05-12-2003, 02:56 PM

Wheres RAZOR at??????????????

ChadEXer

05-12-2003, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by CRASH508-EX
kewl let us know how you do this year
crash
Hey man, they dont call you crash for a reason do they?? Just playin;)

TURBO-530R

05-12-2003, 03:39 PM

ouch:(

Dave400ex

05-12-2003, 03:45 PM

Chadexer if it weren't for me you would be riding around on a Trinity 465 right now. TC still hasn't given me anything. LMAO:macho

ChadEXer

05-12-2003, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by Dave400ex
Chadexer if it weren't for me you would be riding around on a Trinity 465 right now. TC still hasn't given me anything. LMAO:macho That would suck!! Thank god, but you no TC dont give nothing away!!

Dave400ex

05-12-2003, 03:53 PM

Yeah that's the truth. Here in about another month I will have my 416 with the TC XC Cam...

ChadEXer

05-12-2003, 03:57 PM

People just dont believe how fast my bike is! Im telling you, I wish you guys could run it down the strip just one time! Im mean, no pun to crash 508, but my bike is running just about the same times on sand as his bike is on asphault with NOS! And dont forget my times were before it was lowered, lightened, and put on Meth with a 42mm Lectron with dual Powerjets! TC is a motor god no matter what ANYBODY says!!

TURBO-530R

05-12-2003, 04:19 PM

Oh I was reminded that Chad was involved in my motor build.

"you built it? I'm sorry I thought we built it. I was there every motor build including your last INSTALLING and measuring of your +8 crank, calculating your compression ratio for you, hooking you up with Pat, dialing in your motors, making you 502 stickers only to see you have no consideration to what I made and **** it up, but I'm not interested in taking your fame on a forum in front of people I don't know; apparently, you need it more. "

So sorry if I miss informed any one.

I stand corrected.

JustRace

05-12-2003, 05:12 PM

Heres one thing I haven't seen considered is the gearing from crashes EX to Chadexers EX. Since its two different drag terrains. Crash's EX is designed to go all out so his gearing is different. Think about it. Chadexer, do you think your EX would be the same trap spd as his? So if he geared more towards exceleration and less towards top spd then he could probably have a time a hell of a lot lower in 330ft. No offense since both bikes are built to the max but with his times and gearing i'm willing to bet his is just a bit faster than yours. No offense or anything.

Chef

05-12-2003, 05:27 PM

What gearing is in your EX crash? and you Chad? I know the Pro Wedge II's are 22inch, correct me if I am wrong chad. Crash, what size are your slicks? Email me your pics at dsteele@lewiscounty.com , I will post them for you. Guys, get back to me with this info, and I will gladly hook the numbers into my beady little mind and see what I come up with...JR knows that I am no slouch when it comes to this crap...;)

TURBO-530R

05-12-2003, 05:35 PM

at the time i was running 18 tires with 16/33 gearing

Chef

05-12-2003, 05:37 PM

Where did you find the 33 rear sprocket? The smallest I have is a 35, and that isn't small enough for the track I'm going to this weekend...Thanks for any help.

TURBO-530R

05-12-2003, 05:38 PM

incase you are wondering yes there has been a lot of mod changes to the bike since then

Chef

05-12-2003, 05:41 PM

Here is your pic...not as trick as I was expecting, but it suuurrrree is low!

TURBO-530R

05-12-2003, 05:43 PM

i think it was sprocket specialties . i know sidwinder can make them also $$$$

I have 33,34,35,36,37,38,39 because i change tires often it depends where i ride

this year i will run 21" slicks so i wont halfto change gearing and chains so often to ride other place

JustRace

05-12-2003, 05:43 PM

All i have to say is fast is fast. That 508 is a beast. I would go with 1/8th mile times over dirt times because i know the 1/8th mile better.

Mr_Bub400ex

05-12-2003, 06:04 PM

i didnt think twice about defending u Chadexer because in the past you have helped me out a lot. from what i can see other chad has done nothing but BS about things and make me mad...lol but very informative post i think. i was just wonderin how u guys shift in 4.7 secs?

ChadEXer

05-12-2003, 06:07 PM

Chef, I was running stock gearing with the 22inch Pro Wedges. But remember they swell a LOT under acceleration. I would say to at least 23inches.
Just Race, I seriously doubt you know anything about any type of drag racing. You have been looking for a reason to say someone is faster than me since day 1. Just stay out of the conversation.
508, man i just dont see your bike pulling 16-33 gearing with slicks!! Thats WAY to high of gearing even if it did pull it!

ChadEXer

05-12-2003, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by Mr_Bub400ex
i didnt think twice about defending u Chadexer because in the past you have helped me out a lot. from what i can see other chad has done nothing but BS about things and make me mad...lol but very informative post i think. i was just wonderin how u guys shift in 4.7 secs?
Practice!! Some guys take drag racing for granted and think its just riding in a straight line,,well those are the guys who have never drag raced at all much less for strict competition like I do. In drag racing tenths and even thousands of a second count, one tiny mistake can cost you the race. You have to pull a perfect holeshot,(launch at the perfect RPM's, slip the clutch perfect, and keep the front end down), and shift at the perfect RPM's(powershifting that is!!) you cant even tell when Im switching gears when I go down the drag strip!

JustRace

05-12-2003, 06:32 PM

Chad i have no problem with you or your bike, now. I just got sick and tired of you posting everything, saying how great it was before you even had it. I think its a sweet bike. I just don't see why you can't picture someone having a faster bike. I think his would be faster, sorry. If not it would be one hell of a race, i would like to watch it. But spouting off that i don't know anything just shows how lame you are in defending your bike. That is all you ever call is BS. He has picture and a time slip proving his bike and that still isn't enough for you.

I'm just not gonna kiss your *** because of the quad you have.

TURBO-530R

05-12-2003, 06:34 PM

sorry chad but with the nitrous it pulls fine but i wont argue with your sure you are correct

oh yea that was with my 490 motor hehehe

TURBO-530R

05-12-2003, 06:50 PM

Hey Chef

What did you figure with the gearing/tire info????

ChadEXer

05-12-2003, 07:09 PM

I have been around drag racing all my life and been doing it on ATVs for a long time. I guess since people like Just Race who have never even been to a drag race much less competed in one knows more about it than me then its time to quit!! LMAO
If you think a 4.7 asphault bike will come even CLOSE to a 4.7 sand bike then thats your bad, not mine!!!:rolleyes:
And also just to let you know my 4.7 was BEFORE the lightening lowering, Meth, and a few other suspension upgrades, not to mention the 4.7 wasnt my best run of the day,,they were having problems with the end beams getting times so most of my runs didnt even get a time. I ran a 4.7 on gas in the SAND, 508 ran a 4.7 on asphault with a 35 shot of NOS. So you can believe what you want!

SlapNutz

05-13-2003, 03:58 AM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
I have been around drag racing all my life and been doing it on ATVs for a long time. I guess since people like Just Race who have never even been to a drag race much less competed in one knows more about it than me then its time to quit!! LMAO
If you think a 4.7 asphault bike will come even CLOSE to a 4.7 sand bike then thats your bad, not mine!!!:rolleyes:
And also just to let you know my 4.7 was BEFORE the lightening lowering, Meth, and a few other suspension upgrades, not to mention the 4.7 wasnt my best run of the day,,they were having problems with the end beams getting times so most of my runs didnt even get a time. I ran a 4.7 on gas in the SAND, 508 ran a 4.7 on asphault with a 35 shot of NOS. So you can believe what you want!

i belive u BS lotss:mad: :bandit:

JustRace

05-13-2003, 04:19 AM

Chadexer are you slow in the head or something? You don't seem to understand what i'm saying. No i haven't competed in an organzied drag race. Other than the midmichigan speedway by me there are no other tracks. What i am saying is that on his track he is faster than you. Ok you're so fast on the dirt drags, but do you think you could match his times in the 1/8th mile? Do i think he could hit your times in the dirt drags with the setup he has now? No i know he couldn't, what i'm saying is that if he geared his quad down to around normal gearing is that i think he could give you a good run. Same goes for you, i think he you geared yours up so you could run the 1/8th mile then you could give him a good run. All you seem to do is complain when someone may actually give you some competition. Its like you can't comprehend someone actually being faster than you.

You also have to remember, just like what i'm talking about and what crash does, the ATV drag racing world isn't just in the dirt anymore.

UglyMotha™

05-13-2003, 04:25 AM

you people crack me up:p

ChadEXer

05-13-2003, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by JustRace
Chadexer are you slow in the head or something? You don't seem to understand what i'm saying. No i haven't competed in an organzied drag race. Other than the midmichigan speedway by me there are no other tracks. What i am saying is that on his track he is faster than you. Ok you're so fast on the dirt drags, but do you think you could match his times in the 1/8th mile? Do i think he could hit your times in the dirt drags with the setup he has now? No i know he couldn't, what i'm saying is that if he geared his quad down to around normal gearing is that i think he could give you a good run. Same goes for you, i think he you geared yours up so you could run the 1/8th mile then you could give him a good run. All you seem to do is complain when someone may actually give you some competition. Its like you can't comprehend someone actually being faster than you.

You also have to remember, just like what i'm talking about and what crash does, the ATV drag racing world isn't just in the dirt anymore.
No, I think your slow in the head. You basically said you think the 508 is faster, you didnt say with what gearing and on which track. Your just itching to say someone is faster than me and you always have. All I would have to do to beat his 1/8 mile times is throw some slicks on and find some asphault, I wouldnt even have to change my gearing. My gearing now would be perfect for the 1/8 mile,,,in the 300ft Im not even topped out in 4th by the finish line. And by that calculator(even though that dont mean $hit) I still have a top speed of around 96MPH I think it said. I dont care what ANYBODY says but lower gears are better for drag racing,,,as long as there not too low to where you top out before the finish line. If youve been in it longer than me and have more time trial and errors then let me know otherwise. But I do doubt it. Just Race just buck up and quit being a little b!tch, we both know you have had a problem with the 505 since you heard about it,,I dont know if its jealousy, or stupidity, or the need to start $hit but either way just simmer down bad boy:grr

And also about your little commment about drag racing isnt just the dirt\sand anymore shows how little you do know about it. For every asphault drag strip there are 15 dirt\sand strips. here in TX for example there is 1 asphault drag that I know of that lets ATV's drag and there isnt even even enough people that show up to make a class. Within 10 miles of that we have 3 sand drags here. Not to mention that the ATVDRA and the Texas Sand Drags, and The Megas Bucks Series drags(the biggest and just about the only drag organizations in the US) all run in the DIRT/SAND. Didnt know as much as you thought huh??:rolleyes:

Doibugu2

05-13-2003, 05:57 AM

You know what. I don't know why you guys spent all that money on your 500's. My stock quad has never been beat either. Everytime I race, I crush my opponet. Half the time I don't even have to get into 5th gear I'm beating him so bad. So what if it is a warrior.:devil

Until someone ponies up and sticks there quad in the back of there truck, and races everyone, everything is just smack! So either put up or shut up. And abide by rule #2.

ChadEXer

05-13-2003, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by Doibugu2
You know what. I don't know why you guys spent all that money on your 500's. My stock quad has never been beat either. Everytime I race, I crush my opponet. Half the time I don't even have to get into 5th gear I'm beating him so bad. So what if it is a warrior.:devil

Until someone ponies up and sticks there quad in the back of there truck, and races everyone, everything is just smack! So either put up or shut up. And abide by rule #2.
EXACTLY. And like I said before, I am more than willing to throw my quad on my trailer, I do it every weekend.

05-13-2003, 06:13 AM

My money's on monkeyboyz fass tecotty....:macho

Doibugu2

05-13-2003, 06:15 AM

Umm, just had a thought. There is more than enough room at H/M. I'm sure we could find plenty of dirt roads or even asphault to drag on. And its about 1/2 for both Chads.

Hell lets do it at the campgrounds.

ChadEXer

05-13-2003, 06:16 AM

Anyway. a little tip for the drag racers, dont EVER replace your shocks for struts!! Well it might be OK on asphault but its a big mistake on dirt\sand. Or maybe the track was just so rough last weekend,, but I got the crap beat out of me. My back end was bucking off the ground and it was throwing me all over the place! Couldnt get any traction becasue my rear tires kept unloading! Well anyway thats why I got some 250EX shocks that are going to leave me at the same height, but add a little suspension. Then this winter I will be going to a titanium frame, axle, and a-arms. And many other weight saving things. Im also going to narrow it up a little its too wide now. Im guessing I will be able to shed about 60 pounds. Im going to do everything I can do bump that drag Banshee track record!!

knighttime

05-13-2003, 06:18 AM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
Im going to do everything I can do bump that drag Banshee track record!!

dont waste your time, its never gonna happen dragboy

chad502ex

05-13-2003, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
Anyway. a little tip for the drag racers, dont EVER replace your shocks for struts!! Well it might be OK on asphault but its a big mistake on dirt\sand. Or maybe the track was just so rough last weekend,, but I got the crap beat out of me. My back end was bucking off the ground and it was throwing me all over the place! Couldnt get any traction becasue my rear tires kept unloading! Well anyway thats why I got some 250EX shocks that are going to leave me at the same height, but add a little suspension. Then this winter I will be going to a titanium frame, axle, and a-arms. And many other weight saving things. Im also going to narrow it up a little its too wide now. Im guessing I will be able to shed about 60 pounds. Im going to do everything I can do bump that drag Banshee track record!!

ChadEXer:
Without offending you, heaven knows I've done that.....

Can you accurately provide me your bore (in mm) and stroke (in mm)? just curious about something...

Chad502EX.com

ChadEXer

05-13-2003, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by knighttime
dont waste your time, its never gonna happen dragboy
Your probably right. but I will get damned close. The track record(this is on a stock ATV motor, not a street bike motor)is 4.17sec. I ran a 4.7 on gas. I have already lowered it, lightened it, and put it on Meth\Nitro, and over the winter I will be going to the titanium frame, a-arms, and axle. I will be replacing all the bolts with titanium bolts(that will save about 5 pounds, not to mention no more broke or rusted bolts), I will be putting drag spindles and drag front wheels-tires, and quite a few other things that will shed lots of weight,,,,so I do think I will be very close,,amazing for a 400EX nonetheless!

05-13-2003, 06:25 AM

Originally posted by Doibugu2
Umm, just had a thought. There is more than enough room at H/M. I'm sure we could find plenty of dirt roads or even asphault to drag on. And its about 1/2 for both Chads.

Hell lets do it at the campgrounds.

Yuuup plenty of room...me and wyndzer had are quads pinned 5th gear for a good 300 yards or so.....:D

But come to think of it..I don't think these fellers would do to good because the trail does have a few small turns and they're not used to turning the bars on their quads......:eek: just kiddin guys.:D

knighttime

05-13-2003, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
so I do think I will be very close,,amazing for a 400EX nonetheless!

i dont really think so, first of all u have your displacement up to about 500 cc's or so. So I really wouldnt call your ride a true 400ex. Also, just imagine a Shee with an extra 150 cc's. You would get smoked big time.

ChadEXer

05-13-2003, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by chad502ex
ChadEXer:
Without offending you, heaven knows I've done that.....

Can you accurately provide me your bore (in mm) and stroke (in mm)? just curious about something...

Chad502EX.com
I think its a 92mm piston and a 6mm stroke. Call Tom Carlson at TC racing at 814-723-3514. Ask him that and also ask him how much HP his 505's put out. If you dont trust him then you dont trust anybody. He builds motors for Doug Gust, Dana Creech, Greg Trew and all those other pros on top because they like him, not because he is one of the best engine builders in the US:rolleyes:

ChadEXer

05-13-2003, 06:38 AM

Originally posted by knighttime
i dont really think so, first of all u have your displacement up to about 500 cc's or so. So I really wouldnt call your ride a true 400ex. Also, just imagine a Shee with and extra 150 cc's. You would get smoked big time.
LMFAO.....See this is what hapens when you jump in the middle of a conversation and have no f'n clue what your talking about. Just to sum it up for you again Knighttimer, the track record is held by a 449cc K&T complete drag frame Banshee. I was .6 sec slower than that Banshee on GAS. Again many things are being done to make me go faster,,,you do the math, if you can.
That recodr is held by Tammi Brooks if you wanted to know, her husband Mike Brooks has a 520 K&T Banshee that runs 4.23,,its a little slower becasue he weighs 75 more pounds than she does,,,but the bike probably is faster. K&T builds the fastest Banshees in the country.

Here is a picture of Tammi Brooks record holding 449 K&T Banshee, or you can look in the last issue of ATV Sport, there is a complete write up about the bike and the Texas Sand Drags including some good pics.

chad502ex

05-13-2003, 06:38 AM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
I think its a 92mm piston and a 6mm stroke. Call Tom Carlson at TC racing at 814-723-3514. Ask him that and also ask him how much HP his 505's put out. If you dont trust him then you dont trust anybody. He builds motors for Doug Gust, Dana Creech, Greg Trew and all those other pros on top because they like him, not because he is one of the best engine builders in the US:rolleyes:

Tom Carlson aside, cause no-one disputs that he is a very good engine builder,...

but what is your justification that a ...
505 92mm/+6mm vs 508 91mm/+8mm
and yours being faster, especially with a stock header?

just curious....

Chad502EX.com

knighttime

05-13-2003, 06:39 AM

all your gonna hear is some rambling about TC racing:eek2:

ChadEXer

05-13-2003, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by chad502ex
Tom Carlson aside, cause no-one disputs that he is a very good engine builder,...

but what is your justification that a ...
505 92mm/+6mm vs 508 91mm/+8mm
and yours being faster, especially with a stock header?

just curious....

Chad502EX.com
Oh my god! LMAO. Your math is getting worse and worse!! Probably becasue I ran the same time in sand on GAS as he did on asphault with a 35 shot of NOS. Not to mention AGAIN all the changes Ive made,,,,sharpen up your math skills a little son!! Do you want to be the one to pay for my trip up there? I know yall wont come to my turf.

JustRace

05-13-2003, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
[B
And also about your little commment about drag racing isnt just the dirt\sand anymore shows how little you do know about it. For every asphault drag strip there are 15 dirt\sand strips. here in TX for example there is 1 asphault drag that I know of that lets ATV's drag and there isnt even even enough people that show up to make a class. Within 10 miles of that we have 3 sand drags here. Not to mention that the ATVDRA and the Texas Sand Drags, and The Megas Bucks Series drags(the biggest and just about the only drag organizations in the US) all run in the DIRT/SAND. Didnt know as much as you thought huh??:rolleyes: [/B]

Chad i'm not jealous of anything, i know your quad is a lot better than mine, but i'm happy with mine and that is what is important to me. The thing is that you seem to think that the there is nothing outside the state of texas. Read what i quoted you saying, and think about it. NHRA has allowed quads to run on its track, so you saying that your dirt/sand drags are bigger than the NHRA? I have no dirt/sand drag places right around me, i have a NHRA track about 10 miles from me though. I am not gonna try and start problems, i am sorry for saying the things before and i actually erased a lot of the stuff i said before once i thought about it.

Also your the one acting like you are a bad *** thinking your **** is worth a price if you boxed it up and tried to sell it. I never said my stuff was better than yours or anyones. I'm not the one that is being a bad ***, i'm just trying to make you realize.

Not to be a smart ***, but do you have ADHD or something?

Castor-426ex

05-13-2003, 06:57 AM

i got an xr50 that will spank every one of you anal penetrating *** hats:D :D :D :eek:

ChadEXer

05-13-2003, 07:01 AM

Yes I know about the NHRA allowing quads to race but at the time being if ANYBODY is doing it its jsut for fun to see what thier bike will do on a strip,,,there is no organization in the racing like the organization that is growing like wildfire in the dirt\sand scene. Sorry. I never said my quad is BETTER than yours, you said someone elses quad is better than mine so pay a little more attention. Why would I say my quad is better than yours anyway,,,,,my quad is a drag bike,,,so yes at drag its better than yours Im sure, but for play riding or MX or whatever you do Im sure yours is better than mine. This conversation was between drag racers and you jump in throwing your 2 cents around that you cant afford to lose anyway.

TheChknhwk

05-13-2003, 07:05 AM

Oh my.. you three (you know who you are) are relentless, someone please throw in the towel:D

UglyMotha™

05-13-2003, 07:06 AM

i think this thread is full of a bunch of sissy's:p

Castor-426ex

05-13-2003, 07:08 AM

see i made my offer with the xr50 and fear took over all the big bores.....they know that they want absolutely none....my power to weight ratio rivals that of Roseanne Barr bangin a mountain goat:eek:

505...508..502...

they all start with the 50!!!!!!!!! :D :D

jp

ChadEXer

05-13-2003, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by TheChknhwk
Oh my.. you three (you know who you are) are relentless, someone please throw in the towel:D
I give up!:p

JustRace

05-13-2003, 07:09 AM

I'm not aloud to state my opinion on something? Sorry. This thread is fun, i like it. I wonder what Chads blood pressure is. lol

Castor-426ex

05-13-2003, 07:10 AM

505 over 502

his pulse is 508

JustRace

05-13-2003, 07:12 AM

Yeah i'll throw in the towel too before everyone gets tired of me. lol I'll just say that Chad does have a kick *** bike. Sorry for giving you an ulcer chad, i do like your bike.

UglyMotha™

05-13-2003, 07:12 AM

do I feel a hug coming on :macho

ChadEXer

05-13-2003, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by Castor-426ex
505 over 502

his pulse is 508
LMAO!
Just race you can state your opinion anytime, but please dont just do it to piss me off becasue you dont like me or my bike. Come on dude, given the facts do you really think he would be faster? I know you wouldnt want to admit it so just dont reply and well take that as a yes!

UglyMotha™

05-13-2003, 07:17 AM

your just itching to start it again arn't you:huh

TheChknhwk

05-13-2003, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
LMAO!
Just race you can state your opinion anytime, but please dont just do it to piss me off becasue you dont like me or my bike. Come on dude, given the facts do you really think he would be faster? I know you wouldnt want to admit it so just dont reply and well take that as a yes!

Why don't you all just play swords & the one with the most piss on his knuckles loses?:devil

JustRace

05-13-2003, 07:19 AM

Being dead serious now, not trying to start ****. I think in the 1/8th mile he would take you. In the sand drags and dirt, i know you would KILL HIM.

I do like your bike more than his.

Sorry but no hugs for chad, i will give one to his wife though i remember her from those pictures :D

Doibugu2

05-13-2003, 07:20 AM

man I was about to tear up that I read Chad's post.:eek:

ChadEXer

05-13-2003, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by JustRace
Being dead serious now, not trying to start ****. I think in the 1/8th mile he would take you. In the sand drags and dirt, i know you would KILL HIM.

I do like your bike more than his.

Sorry but no hugs for chad, i will give one to his wife though i remember her from those pictures :D
My wife and I are starting a internet porn site. As fine, sexy, and freaky as she is I think we will be millionaires very fast, not to mention that Im a stud muffin!:D

knighttime

05-13-2003, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
I give up!:p

then STFU drag boy

JustRace

05-13-2003, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
My wife and I are starting a internet porn site. As fine, sexy, and freaky as she is I think we will be millionaires very fast, not to mention that Im a stud muffin!:D

You just called your self a stud muffin :eek2: What do you have a mirror next to your computer so you can look at yourself all day long? lol

We just needs more pics of your wife, none of you. lol

Get one of her on your quad and i will say its the fastest EX in the world. Also you better get a better camera for porn. lol

ChadEXer

05-13-2003, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by JustRace
You just called your self a stud muffin :eek2: What do you have a mirror next to your computer so you can look at yourself all day long? lol

We just needs more pics of your wife, none of you. lol

Get one of her on your quad and i will say its the fastest EX in the world. Also you better get a better camera for porn. lol
LMAO!! I dont need a camera anymore, I went and got me one of the expensice Sony camcorders,,pics werent good enough anymore. How do I download movies from my camcorder to the internet??

TheChknhwk

05-13-2003, 07:31 AM

I have not yet seen these notorious pics... someone please share:D

UglyMotha™

05-13-2003, 07:33 AM

for real, I want some pics:p

knighttime

05-13-2003, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
LMAO!! I dont need a camera anymore, I went and got me one of the expensice Sony camcorders,,pics werent good enough anymore. How do I download movies from my camcorder to the internet??

you're the one starting the web porn site, you ought to know:eek2: , or is that what the voices in your head told u to say?:eek2:

Chad it's also funny that u always say someone is jealous of your bike (why i wouldnt know, a drag bike with tractor tires doesnt do it for me), but it seems like u are the one who is damm near insanely jealous of anyone who has a drag bike, especially of someone in this thread that would smoke your arse.:eek: my moneys on the other chad

JustRace

05-13-2003, 07:36 AM

Chads Wife

http://logo.cafepress.com/6/109627.2386.jpg

TheChknhwk

05-13-2003, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by knighttime
you're the one starting the web porn site, you ought to know:eek2: , or is that what the voices in your head told u to say?:eek2:

Chad it's also funny that u always say someone is jealous of your bike (why i wouldnt know, a drag bike with tractor tires doesnt do it for me), but it seems like u are the one who is damm near insanely jealous of anyone who has a drag bike, especially of someone is this thread that would smoke your arse.:eek:

Step up to the toilet, like I said the one w/the least piss on their knuckles wins. LMFAO.

BRING ON THE BOOTY PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JustRace

05-13-2003, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by TheChknhwk
Step up to the toilet, like I said the one w/the least piss on their knuckles wins. LMFAO.

BRING ON THE BOOTY PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed, booty solves all problems.... Well makes more problems if your not careful. lol

ChadEXer

05-13-2003, 12:23 PM

One day ill just learn to ignore knighttime! I finally started ignoring all the harrasing PM's he sends me about 10 times a day. I think he is obsessed with me. Maybe he is gay?? I dont know but I wish he would leave me alone!!
Im working on setting me up the porn site,,I dont have the site setup but you can bet your arse the footage has began!!

Just Race remember my wife making a deal out of me showing all those pics,,it was all BS, Im pretty sure she enjoyed it! She said we will never take pics again, but then she goes and gets a camcorder!!

knighttime

05-13-2003, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
One day ill just learn to ignore knighttime! I finally started ignoring all the harrasing PM's he sends me about 10 times a day. I think he is obsessed with me. Maybe he is gay?? I dont know but I wish he would leave me alone!!
Im working on setting me up the porn site,,I dont have the site setup but you can bet your arse the footage has began!!

Just Race remember my wife making a deal out of me showing all those pics,,it was all BS, Im pretty sure she enjoyed it! She said we will never take pics again, but then she goes and gets a camcorder!!

:huh uh chad, what is your blood pressure now dude, u better take some medication, im not a doc, but i would guess u need some blood pressure medication and PROZAC. have fun in your dream world dragboy.:scary:

Sick0

05-13-2003, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
One day ill just learn to ignore knighttime! I finally started ignoring all the harrasing PM's he sends me about 10 times a day. I think he is obsessed with me. Maybe he is gay?? I dont know but I wish he would leave me alone!!
Im working on setting me up the porn site,,I dont have the site setup but you can bet your arse the footage has began!!

Just Race remember my wife making a deal out of me showing all those pics,,it was all BS, Im pretty sure she enjoyed it! She said we will never take pics again, but then she goes and gets a camcorder!!

Looks like you have a staker

but any was this poor thread wnt to he11.

To answer the ? how muchs does a nice built 465 make.

and Say if you had a 500 stoker motor like yours could you put a stock cyclinder on there to make a a smaller motor. or has the case been bore out and you need a diffrent sleeve.

TheChknhwk

05-13-2003, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
Im working on setting me up the porn site,,I dont have the site setup but you can bet your arse the footage has began!!

Just Race remember my wife making a deal out of me showing all those pics,,it was all BS, Im pretty sure she enjoyed it! She said we will never take pics again, but then she goes and gets a camcorder!!

Well dang, how about a preview? We're all brothers here right?:devil :D

ChadEXer

05-13-2003, 02:48 PM

Is it possible to take movies off a camcorder onto the internet? I could even get some footage at the races!

RuffRyder400ex

05-13-2003, 02:50 PM

this post is going to go on forever

Mr_Bub400ex

05-13-2003, 05:40 PM

it finally simmered down at least... but there are still some people looking for trouble *coughknighttimecough*

ChadEXer

05-13-2003, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Mr_Bub400ex
it finally simmered down at least... but there are still some people looking for trouble *coughknighttimecough*
He will never stop causing trouble. He has some type of obsession with me. He has to talk $hit to me in every post. Not to mention that he sends me PM's harrasing me everyday. I just ignore him most of the time.

Chef

05-13-2003, 05:56 PM

My conclusion is.........Chad's bike looks decent, Crash's bike has more CC's and probably more torque with the bigger stroker, and Black plastic is god. :p

Castor-426ex

05-13-2003, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by Castor-426ex
i got an xr50 that will spank every one of you anal penetrating *** hats:D :D :D :eek: :D :cool: :cool: :D :D :eek:

knighttime

05-14-2003, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
He will never stop causing trouble. He has some type of obsession with me. He has to talk $hit to me in every post. Not to mention that he sends me PM's harrasing me everyday. I just ignore him most of the time.

LMFAO, dude u really need some prozac or somethin, or at least of few shovels so you can clean up all the BS u r slingin, o well have fun, i guess i gotta start typin all the pms im gonna right to ya :huh :eek2: have a good day talkin about your lil 505 dragboy, can u please send me some pictures of it, ive been lookin for a picture of a drag quad with tractor tires to put on my gameroom wall. :D

TURBO-530R

05-14-2003, 03:53 AM

Hey Chef the torque numbers for my bike as of last monday
are 77.4 ft lb of torque. and it feels great .

TURBO-530R

05-14-2003, 03:53 AM

Hey Chef the torque numbers for my bike as of last monday
are 77.4 ft lb of torque. and it feels great .

NTPRacing#19

05-14-2003, 06:29 AM

anyone ever run topfuel in their quads? like in the NHRA topfuel funny cars?

ChadEXer

05-14-2003, 11:31 AM

Tom builds everything geared towards torque, he says the torque numbers for mine should be amazing. Ive been meaning to go get it dynoed, but Ive been busy as he!!. Hopefully Ill have time to do it as soon as it gets back from the shop(suspension mods)
Crash, what are the HP numbers for your bike? I think Chad said 46,,is that right??

wilkin250r

05-14-2003, 12:30 PM

I'm still waiting for the pics. I don't care if it's off-topic or not...:devil

chad502ex

05-14-2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by ChadEXer
Tom builds everything geared towards torque, he says the torque numbers for mine should be amazing. Ive been meaning to go get it dynoed, but Ive been busy as he!!. Hopefully Ill have time to do it as soon as it gets back from the shop(suspension mods)
Crash, what are the HP numbers for your bike? I think Chad said 46,,is that right??

ChadEXer:
Crash's 508EX pulls 48.4hp, it was my 502 that pulls 46

updated results have been posted at http://www.chad502ex.com

Chad:D

chad502ex

05-14-2003, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by chad502ex
ChadEXer:
Crash's 508EX pulls 48.4hp, it was my 502 that pulls 46

updated results have been posted at http://www.chad502ex.com

Chad:D

sorry forgot to mention that this image was 416ex dyno results

Chef

05-14-2003, 01:19 PM

That dyno is from september of last year...:o

chad502ex

05-14-2003, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Chef
That dyno is from september of last year...:o

Chef, thats correct. I'd thought I'd throw up the 416ex results too!!

mikeboone

05-14-2003, 02:41 PM

I think I need to get a 92mm piston and stroke the crank 8mm. That would have to be around 516cc's?????

mikeboone

05-14-2003, 02:44 PM

92mm bore and 78mm stroke would give a 519EX. Sounds good to me...

chad502ex

05-14-2003, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by mikeboone
I think I need to get a 92mm piston and stroke the crank 8mm. That would have to be around 516cc's?????

yep!!! about 518EX. I think that would be about all the motor could do. not sure of its reliablitiy, but if I built it I'd keep compression down to about between 10:1 to 11:1 to keep the haed gasket from blowing alot. sure would be hella while it lasted...

ChadEXer

05-14-2003, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by mikeboone
92mm bore and 78mm stroke would give a 519EX. Sounds good to me... Sounds like it would be a bomb!!

knighttime

05-14-2003, 04:07 PM

u guys like to live on the edge i guess :eek2: :confused:

ChadEXer

05-15-2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by knighttime
u guys like to live on the edge i guess :eek2: :confused: Any other way would be boring!

razer

03-15-2004, 03:35 PM

This has been a total nightmare. It's been 14 months and haven't gotten my bike back. Finally, I went nuts and tracked down my friend and got the builder's home address and paid a visit and raised hell.

It turns out that the problem with with the machine shop who gave my sleeve away to someone else in a pinch and didn't know where to get the proper sized-one to replace it and just let it slip away, all the while I'm fuming trying to get my bike back.

Well, it's been straightened out. I straightened out the builder and especially the machine shop owner and will get this done in less than a week.

Then I will post my dyno results. The builder says he'll get me over 60 hp no problem, even though I've told him what others have said. He actually knows the big time engine builders and told me to call them and ask what kind of HP he can get out of an engine.

Anyway, we'll see. And it will be posted right on this site for all to verify.

I'm just glad to get my bike back without having to actually kill somebody to do it.